Solo 2 on tracks

[Dave L]

This was posted in the Khumo thread and I didnt want to take it OT.


Quote:
Originally Posted by max attack
I hope the series has another Bracebridge event,gods willing I should have my own car for the 1st time.If an ftd is for me this will be the place.


Don't count on any Solo 2 events on any type of track in the future.

I am wondering if there is truth to this statement or if its just speculation? I found the Bracebridge and DDT event the most entertaining of the series and it would be a shame to see them dissapear.

[finboy]

"safety first"

perhaps scratched from a regional aspect...... but who knows about a private lapping session

might be still gud2go


:shrug:

[JoeT]

It's actually a fact that no Solo2's will be done on any tracks, be it Bracebridge or DDT. It was stated in the solo workshop, this is due to the concerns of competitors, and their outlining that it didn't meet with Solo2 regulations, as far as runoff and safety.

But for clarification or for final ruling, please contact the solo director.




This was posted in the Khumo thread and I didnt want to take it OT.


Quote:
Originally Posted by max attack
I hope the series has another Bracebridge event,gods willing I should have my own car for the 1st time.If an ftd is for me this will be the place.


Don't count on any Solo 2 events on any type of track in the future.

I am wondering if there is truth to this statement or if its just speculation? I found the Bracebridge and DDT event the most entertaining of the series and it would be a shame to see them dissapear.

[finboy]

some discussion last year about running on tracks

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=7739&highlight=track

[soloZ]

That sucks, I also enjoyed those events allthough I didn't go this past season.

[Marsh]

My understanding was that no REGIONAL solo-2 will be on a track. Clubs can still ellect to hold their events on tracks. Never the less the concern was safety and it was a well founded concern.

[ScotcH]

If you want to go on a track, why not try SoloSprint? There is a motorsport discipline to suit all levels of driver/safety/car prep, etc.

[Slowpoke]

My favourite Solo 2's were at the DDT as well, and I did well in Bracebridge in the dry. (Didn't have the chutzpah to push hard on the wet Saturday.)

Doing Solo 2 on tracks is a little riskier than SoloSprint because of the combination of cold tires and lack of concrete run off. In SoloSprint we get a warm up lap to go around at 85%, test the friction that's out there, and let our tires warm up a bit so that we get better feedback from them before we start driving at 100%.

There will most likely be SoloSprints at the DDT next year. If you're already prepped for Solo 2, then get yourself a Class C Race license from CASC (no written test, demonstration of ability, or IQ points required... just $60 and an affiliated club) and try your hand at SoloSprint. It'll be in the ballpark of $100 per event if you pay at the open house, but it gives you significantly more driving time than Solo 2.

You get morning lapping sessions to shake down the car and familiarize yourself with the track. For the timed session, you go out and do your warm-up lap, then go all out for three consecutive timed laps, then you get a cool down lap and off you go. Repeat three more times. (That's when everything goes right.)

[Dave L]

Well, I do understand the risk of running on the track. I left the bracebridge track backward breaking my muffler. Moving to solo1 was in the plans but more for '08. Perhaps this will just move things up a bit.

[Dave Barker]

Put the second weekend in May on your calenders for the SoloSprint driver's school at the DDT. We run the track in both directions and use a lot more of it than OMSC uses for its Solo 2 events. I think the reviews on these forums of past schools speak for themselves re- how pleased people are with the school. You will learn much more than on any lapping day.

[JAYh]

So that's it? No DDT, no Bracebridge?
No regionals for me then.

- J

[J.C.]

Perhaps people should comment on what it was about the events at Bracebridge or DDT that made them more enjoyable than the other events. :confused:

[thekid]

So that's it? No DDT, no Bracebridge?
No regionals for me then.

- J

Perhaps you should step up to SoloSprints then!

[max attack]

Perhaps you should step up to SoloSprints then!


Yep double the fun for what about 8 times the cost?:rolleyes:

[SE-R Racer]

then get yourself a Class C Race license from CASC (no written test, demonstration of ability, or IQ points required... just $60 and an affiliated club)
:D

[thekid]

Yep double the fun for what about 8 times the cost?:rolleyes:

Solo 2: $30 for 6 minutes = $5/min of "track time"

Solo 1: $100 for ~ 3 hot sessions at 5 laps per session... we'll use a 75 second average laptime (different courses/cars/etc) + 10 lap min in morning warmups...

That gives us a minimum of 25 laps @ 75 seconds ~ 32mins of "track time"

So for @ $100/event, it works out to roughly $3.13/min = More bang for the buck!

I should note that most SoloSprint events have 4 hot sessions, and I've had several occasions to get 20+ laps in morning lapping, so the per minute cost would drop even further! Not to mention several Solo 2 events cost more than $30 these days.

So using your analogy... 6 times the fun for roughly 3 times the cost..

[ScotcH]

Yep double the fun for what about 8 times the cost?:rolleyes:

Lol ... have you actually ever done the math of driving time/$ ? It's significantly higher than any Solo II event, not to mention the use of 3rd, 4th, and even 5th gears! There is no reason to turn this into an us vs them debate ... they are two different types of motorsport, but the guy is complaining about no events on tracks. The logical progression and next step, as Brian suggested, is SoloSprint :)

[max attack]

Blah blah blah,yes I fully understand the differences in the 2 sports AND the cost differences-you all forget to mention the additional tires,brake pads/rotors,fuel and the higher risk of ending up with no car to drive home(or drive ever again).
Don't bash me,my car is fully caged and track only-it's the comment about the average street guy "stepping up" away from solo2 that struck a bit of a nerve.
I too don't understand why I get up at 5am to drive 3 hours for 3 minutes of driving and 8 hours of standing in the sun /rain/cold/wind to work an event I paid to attend-but I still do(for 1 more year anyways;) )

[J.C.]

Lol ... have you actually ever done the math of driving time/$ ? It's significantly higher than any Solo II event, not to mention the use of 3rd, 4th, and even 5th gears! There is no reason to turn this into an us vs them debate ... they are two different types of motorsport, but the guy is complaining about no events on tracks. The logical progression and next step, as Brian suggested, is SoloSprint :)

The complaint is they want to be on a track but they do not say why?
Is it because it is perceived as:
a) a higher speed?
b) requiring more skill?
c) greater risk of danger?
d) a more open course design?
e) a more prestigious venue?
f) an easier layout since the boudaries are well defined?
g) an easier layout because there are less cones?
h) a better learning environment?
i) more value?
j) more suiting their vehicle?
k) more suiting their driving style?
l) having more elevation changes?

Until you know this answer there is no point in assuming what their logical progression is.

[Slowpoke]

...then get yourself a Class C Race license from CASC (no written test, demonstration of ability, or IQ points required... just $60 and an affiliated club)

:D

A license, to me, means you've done something worthwhile to be able to achieve that level. Such as, attending at least one Advanced Driving / Track School. (SoloSprint, MCO, Ian Law, Bridgestone Academy, BMW Club, etc.) If you're not going to do that, then call an Administration Fee what it is.

There's no reason that Solosprint or Ice Race shouldn't be requiring a professional school, or experience in motorsport (such as Regional Road Racing, Motorcross racing experience, etc.) before giving someone a "license". If that's not necessary, I'll be paying my Administration Fee for 2007, like everyone else. :D

[/rant]

Until you know this answer there is no point in assuming what their logical progression is. No need for bruised egos on anyone's part. You mention a lot of good points, which JayH has already made. For this individual's love of driving on tracks, SoloSprint IS a logical progression. History demonstrates that Solosprint will likely be visiting the DDT few times next year, which this driver said he likes very much.

Competing at national levels in Solo 2 is very challenging, but it doesn't fill everyone's motorpsort addiction completely. Chacun son gout.

[J.C.]

Competing at national levels in Solo 2 is very challenging, but it doesn't fill everyone's motorpsort addiction completely. Chacun son gout.

Agreed but the same can be said about all other forms of motorsports. Some people percieve solosprints as a more open and easier form of solo II just with more risk involved. Neither form is right or wrong it all depends on what someone prefers.

[JAYh]

Whoops, I opened the stinkbomb in this thread, heh.

That post came across a little harsher than intended. I made that remark because all parking lots start to look the same after a while. I think disallowing solo on kart tracks (or real tracks) will be a HUGE detriment to a sport already struggling for attendees. So I guess now the only club not running in a parking lot will be St LAC. That's really too bad for the rest of the series.

I'll drive four hours one way to run on the DDT or Bracebridge (I never made it out there) whereas I may not to run at a closed shopping mall or abandoned big box store. And I know I'm not the only one. Hell, my first ever slalom was at Delaware Speedway - a banked oval with NO runoff and concrete outside walls. I survived and I sure wasn't scared off the sport.

Really, we're all responsible adults here and we're talking about motorsport. There's a limit as to how many restrictions you can make in the name of "safety" before the whole sport just evapourates away or becomes an excercise in futility.

- J

[JAYh]

Brian, I'd love to try Solosprint but lapping at full speed has a disturbing tendancy of breaking my cars (http://publish.uwo.ca/~jmhoeber/rotor-hot.jpg). Maybe when I'm a bit more well-heeled. ;)

- J

[Dave L]

hehe, well I guess I asked the question. I like solo2 I thinks its really great and I will do more of it but I am going to try the Solo1 school and see how it goes.

The DDT and bracebridge represented a different chalenge for me. Instead of walking a course 3 times and still hesitating before a gate (was that a left or right?)I could focus on driving and staying on the track. I also liked the flow of a track. St Lac's venue offers similar advantages due to size.

to answer JCs questions;

Is it because it is perceived as:

a) a higher speed? - Yes
b) requiring more skill? - I think this could be a whole arguement in of itself
c) greater risk of danger? - I dont know that this is possitive but I am able to deal with the risk.
d) a more open course design? - Yes
e) a more prestigious venue? - dont care
f) an easier layout since the boudaries are well defined? - yes
g) an easier layout because there are less cones? - yes
h) a better learning environment? - I think both have benifits
i) more value? - a better value would be sitting on my deck with a beer but i dont want to do that.
j) more suiting their vehicle? - Perhaps
k) more suiting their driving style? - I would have to look at the standings but I feel happier in a flowing course.
l) having more elevation changes? - it does add to the fun.

[bbqman]

A license, to me, means you've done something worthwhile to be able to achieve that level. Such as, attending at least one Advanced Driving / Track School. (SoloSprint, MCO, Ian Law, Bridgestone Academy, BMW Club, etc.) If you're not going to do that, then call an Administration Fee what it is.

Chacun son gout.

Stephen, you forgot 1 school ;) but I have to wonder if it was there that you practiced your french:)

[Slowpoke]

Stephen, you forgot 1 school ;) but I have to wonder if it was there that you practiced your french:)

Carl!! Shhhh! We were trying to keep the TRAC RACING ACADEMY an SPDA secret weapon this year!!

But now, the cat is out of the bag! Mon dieu! ;)

With TRAC RACING ACADEMY having SPACE AVAILABLE IN APRIL, that gives other clubs a chance to get the BEST RACE TRAINING before the start of the SoloSprint season!!

[h-bomb]

As the Chief Steward of the 2006 series, I only had to use my notepad and pen at the "track" events this year. For a grassroots, anybody can show up and drive, series, having a "track" record of incidents at "track" venues means insurance issues in the future.

[gatherer]

Solo 2: $30 for 6 minutes = $5/min of "track time"

Solo 1: $100 for ~ 3 hot sessions at 5 laps per session... we'll use a 75 second average laptime (different courses/cars/etc) + 10 lap min in morning warmups...

That gives us a minimum of 25 laps @ 75 seconds ~ 32mins of "track time"

So for @ $100/event, it works out to roughly $3.13/min = More bang for the buck!

I should note that most SoloSprint events have 4 hot sessions, and I've had several occasions to get 20+ laps in morning lapping, so the per minute cost would drop even further! Not to mention several Solo 2 events cost more than $30 these days.

So using your analogy... 6 times the fun for roughly 3 times the cost..

I don't think this cost comparasion is taking everything into account. Forexample the wear and tear parts being used up at a quicker rate. And the cost of camp/hotel stays since your at the track for the weekend ussually. (although for some this applies to solo 2 as well) As well as accounting for the increased chance of Damage ... a solo 2 on the DDT is much different then a solo 1 on the same track.

I'm not saying the cost comparasion is wrong, I'm just saying there are other factors to look at.

[gatherer]

The complaint is they want to be on a track but they do not say why?
Is it because it is perceived as:
a) a higher speed?
b) requiring more skill?
c) greater risk of danger?
d) a more open course design?
e) a more prestigious venue?
f) an easier layout since the boudaries are well defined?
g) an easier layout because there are less cones?
h) a better learning environment?
i) more value?
j) more suiting their vehicle?
k) more suiting their driving style?
l) having more elevation changes?

Until you know this answer there is no point in assuming what their logical progression is.

We should take a poll! :p

[thekid]

Jason, I agree my comparison was oversimplified... it was merely a reply to Tom's oversimplified sarcastic remark.

But like Hanif has pointed out... the only damage substained this year in Solo 2 was at track events! Good reason not to have them anymore.

[miataboi]

I thought they were being cancelled BECAUSE Tom liked them?

Wasn't it a conspiracy theory to take fun away from Tom... or make Tom pay more $$$ for the same amount of fun??

Now I'm confused...

:confused: :confused: :confused:


:rolleyes:

[max attack]

Nah thats ok Jeff,for the record I really wasn't "for" track solo2 events-just don't have anything agaisn't them.

No worries,I'll dodge cones like a maniac this summer and pretend I'm on a track somewhere.:)

[JAYh]

As the Chief Steward of the 2006 series, I only had to use my notepad and pen at the "track" events this year. For a grassroots, anybody can show up and drive, series, having a "track" record of incidents at "track" venues means insurance issues in the future.

Hanif, you're looking at two incidents out of ten events. You can't just go to each slalom and tick of "incident... no incident... incident..." and expect to draw any conclusions from that. If it were two hundred out of a thousand this reasoning would make more sense, but it's not. The sample size is too small for this to be statistically valid.

There just isn't a "track record" yet.

I'm not criticizing your work here; if I'm missing something in your methodology please let me know... I'm just pointing out that you can use the insurer's favourite tool - statistical analysis - and show there IS NO trend here.

- J

[ScotcH]

I don't think this cost comparasion is taking everything into account. Forexample the wear and tear parts being used up at a quicker rate. And the cost of camp/hotel stays since your at the track for the weekend ussually. (although for some this applies to solo 2 as well) As well as accounting for the increased chance of Damage ... a solo 2 on the DDT is much different then a solo 1 on the same track.

I'm not saying the cost comparasion is wrong, I'm just saying there are other factors to look at.

I have no proof of this, but with the exception of brakes and gas, I'd be willing to bet that Solo II puts way more stress on a car then SoloSprint does. Some of the turn transitions and gear slamming is just nuts, and the tires sure take a beating

[Guillermo]

I have no proof of this, but with the exception of brakes and gas, I'd be willing to bet that Solo II puts way more stress on a car then SoloSprint does. Some of the turn transitions and gear slamming is just nuts, and the tires sure take a beating

I agree, the drag starts of most autoslaloms encourages driving in a manner that causes significantly more clutch and axle stress. The hurried shifting required by the very quick turns in autoslaloms also increases stresses to the transmission when the shifts are forced to rapidly. Stock cars don't like to downshift WITHIN a 0.7 second braking zone.
How quickly a car will wear out brakes and tires is directly related to the weight and power of the car, and this correlation is even more significant on tracks. That's one of several reasons why it's better to start solosprint with a slower car, it's much cheaper.

[h-bomb]

Hanif, you're looking at two incidents out of ten events. You can't just go to each slalom and tick of "incident... no incident... incident..." and expect to draw any conclusions from that. If it were two hundred out of a thousand this reasoning would make more sense, but it's not. The sample size is too small for this to be statistically valid.

There just isn't a "track record" yet.

I'm not criticizing your work here; if I'm missing something in your methodology please let me know... I'm just pointing out that you can use the insurer's favourite tool - statistical analysis - and show there IS NO trend here.

- J

Technically there were 5 incidents at 3 track events (bracebridge was run twice) and I remember another incident last year at DDT as well.

[Doug Phillips]

I hope that these events are no longer being run just because last year there were a few incidences.

The first incident I witnessed was at the Brampton Sports Complex in 2003. I believe in other years there have been incidences at the Hershey Centre and Bronte lot as well.

It should be made very clear why a Regional event will not be held at these tracks.

[Dave Barker]

Well guys, there is another issue here. OMSC was losing money on the DDT Solo2 event (although there were some members who thought it was still worthwhile) As it turns out, we have not rented the DDT for Solo 2 (although we will be running lapping events, the SoloSprint school and SoloSprint events 1 and 2 there). BTW (small plug here) we are also running a lapping day at Shannonville Saturday July 7 where we have the whole track

Hanif's concerns re insurance are quite valid. The discussion re-why SoloSprint costs more to run, needs to include the cost of insurance which last year was $675 for a 1 day event and $895 for a weekend. I'm quite sure that Solo 2 insurance is much cheaper but if you continue to run on race tracks, no doubt ASN will claim you are running a SoloSprint event.

[Slowpoke]

Technically there were 5 incidents at 3 track events (bracebridge was run twice) and I remember another incident last year at DDT as well.

That was showmanship, not an incident. ;)

You got to see my undies. You should be honoured. :D

[gatherer]

That was showmanship, not an incident. ;)

You got to see my undies. You should be honoured. :D

While that turn you made came close to being an incident.. there was that year an incident at the DDT during a solo 2. Also there was another close call, where another car almost kissed a fence post that year.

if you want to count the horseshoes at the tracks well .. the numbers start to climb...

[J.C.]

It is really simple to understand. At any given event someone will go off course. On a track there is not the required runoff space from the pylon laid course. Ultimately someone will end up off the track.

It sounds to me a few people want hillclimbs to come back to Ontario. :)

[Slowpoke]

While that turn you made came close to being an incident..
Why's it always my HADA guys who keep bringing this up? :rolleyes:

In case I haven't made it clear, I'm in favour of the decision to not run Solo 2 on tracks, though they're my favourite Solo 2 events. The decision is based on the incident record that Solo 2 regional competitors demonstrated when attending these events. (Go ahead and do an ANOVA analysis on that factor and tell me what you get. Yes, it's small sample groups, but when the difference is 1.7 incidents per track event to 0 incidents per runway or parking lot... you get the point.)

Solo Sprint with it's morning lapping sessions for familiarization, tire warm up lap, and designed safety features are the right way to go to the track. Throwing a slalom into a straightaway puts cars at angles to walls that they shouldn't be, driving through fence posts is for rallycross, etc. Solo 2's lack of track familiarization and cold tires are better suited to areas with adequate flat concrete run-off.

If WOSCA's new lot in Sarnia had painted rumble strips on the racing line through a turn and a curb that had a drop-off and undulating grass with a concrete wall beyond it, most people would be asking the course designer to avoid it. At tracks, we have no choice.

[h-bomb]

Why's it always my HADA guys who keep bringing this up? :rolleyes:


Actually, the incident I was referring to involved a certain mod car that had an abrupt run-in with a battery :)

[soloZ]

Well speaking of incidents and solo2 you can allways look at this years solo1 especially at the DDT, 1 protege 5 tried to enter the portable through it's ass end, there must have been about 6 or 7 cars that went off in the morning lapping sessions of the saturday and then still a bunch of cars doing it the rest of the day. The sunday was a little more tame but still had a couple cars running off. Accidents do happen

[ScotcH]

Well speaking of incidents and solo2 you can allways look at this years solo1 especially at the DDT, 1 protege 5 tried to enter the portable through it's ass end, there must have been about 6 or 7 cars that went off in the morning lapping sessions of the saturday and then still a bunch of cars doing it the rest of the day. The sunday was a little more tame but still had a couple cars running off. Accidents do happen

Right ... which is why SoloSprint insurance is appropriately priced.

[finboy]

It's actually a fact that no Solo2's will be done on any tracks, be it Bracebridge or DDT. It was stated in the solo workshop, this is due to the concerns of competitors, and their outlining that it didn't meet with Solo2 regulations, as far as runoff and safety.

But for clarification or for final ruling, please contact the solo director.

it's a shame to scratch the track venues.....


instead of maximizing the track for solo II where the events become more like a solo 1.5

the course designs could have just been kept down to solo II type of speeds

... might not have been as fun... but would still serve its purpose

[finboy]

I have no proof of this, but with the exception of brakes and gas, I'd be willing to bet that Solo II puts way more stress on a car then SoloSprint does. Some of the turn transitions and gear slamming is just nuts, and the tires sure take a beating


????

solo II puts MORE stress on a car than solosprint/track event


????


no way jose!! any track event will put more stress on a car than solo II

[ScotcH]

????

solo II puts MORE stress on a car than solosprint/track event


????


no way jose!! any track event will put more stress on a car than solo II

Like I said ... I have no proof, but I stand by my statement. I'm not talking about going off track either ... just the regular on track driving, when everything goes right. I've abused my car WAY more when running it at solo II than on a track.

[J.C.]

the course designs could have just been kept down to solo II type of speeds


IMO the designs were in line with solo II type speeds. The problem is lack of runoff. Going off course happens and when there is no runoff the sod flies. Just ask yourself how many times have you spun at a regular event. Now in each of those situations make the course 20' wide.


Everyone goes off course eventually.

[Slowpoke]

????

solo II puts MORE stress on a car than solosprint/track event


????


no way jose!! any track event will put more stress on a car than solo II

No way, finboy. Solo 2 drag launches are quite hard on cars. Axles, clutches and transmissions. Solosprint doesn't have that feature...

[max attack]

Only on your high powered overweight awd cars with fragile driveline bits!;) :D

[finboy]

Like I said ... I have no proof, but I stand by my statement. I'm not talking about going off track either ... just the regular on track driving, when everything goes right. I've abused my car WAY more when running it at solo II than on a track.


like you ..... i have no scientific proof to trump your opinion or findings
regarding the two formats and stress on a car....

or anything to do with specific vehicles or driving styles...


just saying no way jose.... cause anything i've seen or read, or chatted about with concur that track events are more harsh

[Slowpoke]

Only on your high powered overweight awd cars with fragile driveline bits!;) :D

I was tightening up some suspension bits last night when I realized... my wrench makes more torque than your car. ;) :D

[max attack]

I was tightening up some suspension bits last night when I realized... my wrench makes more torque than your car. ;) :D


Maybe when it was stock-but not anymore!

I'm down around 8 Lbs per hp now,how about you?;)

I've doubled the stock power outputs and my driveline now has a short life expectancy but I'm not cheating by spreading that power around all 4 wheels!.:D :D

[Slowpoke]

I've doubled the stock power outputs and my driveline now has a short life expectancy but I'm not cheating by spreading that power around all 4 wheels!.:D :D

I suppose that you country bumpkins don't believe in new-fangled technology like differentials, either? ;)

8lb/hp? Hmm. Yup, think that just might help you compete with me at 10.8.

My car and I are like one... we both carry a spare tire. Or two. :D

[max attack]

I suppose that you country bumpkins don't believe in new-fangled technology like differentials, either? ;)

8lb/hp? Hmm. Yup, think that just might help you compete with me at 10.8.

My car and I are like one... we both carry a spare tire. Or two. :D

Of course I believe in techy type things like differentials,why else would I have a shiny new kazz lsd bathed lovingly in golden motul?.:)

Btw that 10.8 will help keep you close in acceration but sooner or later you'll need to turn that sucker!:D

[Slowpoke]

Btw that 10.8 will help keep you close in acceration but sooner or later you'll need to turn that sucker!:D
With the Solosprint rule changes I'm pondering mods to bring it down to 8.6 before the first event in May. The consequences of a definite divorce is preventing me from doing so at the moment, but we'll see how I feel about it in the spring. ;) It will still be a heavy pig that has to turn though, that's for sure.

Damn it, why can't I hang that spare tire out the window for extra grip??? :rolleyes:

[miataboi]

Of course I believe in techy type things like differentials,why else would I have a shiny new kazz lsd bathed lovingly in golden motul?.:)

Btw that 10.8 will help keep you close in acceration but sooner or later you'll need to turn that sucker!:D


You'd better be fast next year Tom...

you'd BETTER be beating Paul and Kyle for FTD.

[max attack]

You'd better be fast next year Tom...

you'd BETTER be beating Paul and Kyle for FTD.

Yeah I KNOW I'll need to be fast,I think the car will be able assuming the engine gets sorted out a lot better than it is right now AND I get up to speed quickly.Haven't done much in the way of competiting since I started rebuilding this baby,hopefully the 1st half of the year doesn't end being test and tune events.

[TOYSRUS]

You'd better be fast next year Tom...

you'd BETTER be beating Paul and Kyle for FTD.

The FTD title has already been Season reserved..... for a Toyota....it says so right on the label:)

[max attack]

The FTD title has already been Season reserved..... for a Toyota....it says so right on the label:)


I know WHICH toyota I'm placing my bets with.;) :)

[TOYSRUS]

If i don't figure out this damn engine problem I know which one too :D

[max attack]

If i don't figure out this damn engine problem I know which one too :D


You too!

Man toyotas are so reliable stock but when you start throwing away the entire harness,adding boost,doubling the power,using engines not from this country,sticking them in cars they didn't come in etc etc-they sure get finicky.:D

[TOYSRUS]

I think my problem might be storage related....it only has about 3 hours of runtime since the rebuild 3 years ago. It did dyno a healthy 107hp in Sept/05 however......torque was a dissapointing 86 lb/ft :(

[max attack]

Hmmm,my original engine in the copper car(just under 300k) sat in a shed untouched for 4 years untill the one in the ice racer picked up a rod knock-so it got pulled out and pressed back into duty.Fired right up and ran fine,it's worn out but runs well.:)

Hope your planning on keeping these dyno #'s as is.:)

[coneman]

While surfing around tonight I found this http://rennslalomcup.de/store/videos/000172.wmv This is a slalom from Germany on a track with a fair bit of run off room

[bbqman]

I am not sure that it can be considered a slalom.....more so a time trial on a diluted track.

While watching the video I notice a few things...

1) what a nice track, what a waste using cones!!
2) Notice how the pointer cones point away from the corner and not to the corner?
3)Long ass run....very cool.
4) Nice gloves.....