Novices not invited to MLRC testing days

[fweidner]

Novices not invited to MLRC testing days


Here is a perfect chance for RALLY NOVICES to have some much needed seat time in a SANCTIONED, CONTROLLED AND SAFE event,

and they are not invited - again!!

The Galway Cavendish Performance TSD proved
that teams with non-caged cars can benefit from an event like this and that it IS SAFE.


Adding non-caged cars to this event would be very easy.


And the organizers are allowed to make the rules for non-caged cars

Rules such as:

max speed 70 km/h

cas of 60 km/h


minimum of 5 navigation events req'd


This would be so that teams like Paul and Rita Moore can join. Teams which are looking for more than navex's but not ready for performance rallying.

I am sure many teams would join given the chance ( at the right price, $50.00 ea ???? )




Hopefully the organizers will make the right decision.


If not, I guess it's back to running non-sanctioned events because there really is no alternative.

[boghog]

Novices not invited to MLRC testing days


Here is a perfect chance for RALLY NOVICES to have some much needed seat time in a SANCTIONED, CONTROLLED AND SAFE event,

and they are not invited - again!!

I'm not sure what you're talking about, Fred.

Here's what the post on the MLRC discussion board says about who can participate:

Any eligible competitor with a current
logbooked car. All safety gear required at
performance rallies will be required and safety
will be taken seriously.

Seeing how the sessions are intended to be testing days and not "have some fun in the dirt on the cheap" days, I think the requirements that MLRC have put in place are completely appropriate.

I'm not sure why you're upset that a testing day isn't catering to newcomers in uncaged cars. That's not it's purpose; its purpose is to allow performance rally competitors an opportunity to test their cars and setups. Personally, I think that opportunities like this are useful for keeping people in the sport, which is just as important as growth through newcomers.

Bringing new people into the sport is important, but it's not feasible to have every event open to someone with no performance rally experience and an uncaged car.

[gully]

And the organizers are allowed to make the rules for non-caged cars


Not so Rules concerning the various types of rally events are laid down by CARS who in turn work with ASN Canada and our insurance company.

While we 'organized/sanctioned' motorsport do not always agree with requirements we do work to them. We also work to try and influence change.

We don't just go out and run ILLEGAL -- UNINSURED events.

Pete g

[PeterWatt]

There actually is an alternative, Fred. Sadly, it isn't what you want to hear.
The alternative is to not run unsanctioned events.
The tsd at Galway Cavendish was open to many interpretations as to how it fit the rules. The powers that be, and several others, shudder at the liability PMSC incurred with that event. I tend to disagree, but then I had some ownership so perhaps my judgement was biassed. Others looked at only one aspect of the event and formed their opinions not looking at the overall picture.
Point here is we tried it. I think there is a future for the concept to evolve into something that is more acceptable. That would have to be done with the cooperation of the existing sanctioning body. Additional cooperation would have to come from the performance rally community. Based on competitors' evaluation forms the overwhelming feeling of the performance competitors was negative since it interfered with their event. They have a point. You don't see many of them interfering with tsd events. (Irony intended).
I encourage you to try to work with the organizing body. They need fresh ideas and someone to shake the tree once in a while. Remember it is still their tree. (And I do mean THEIR tree).
Cheers, Fred,
Peter

[rosswood]

In the very near future the schedule for the summer RallyCross events will be announced. This is the opportunity for the true Beginners (and anyone else) with their totally stock, unprepared cars (and prepared) to come and play, hone your driving skills and see if you want to get further involved in the sport or just play enjoy it at that level, all in a very safe environment organized by RSO clubs.

[dtompsett]

There are a lot of aspects to look at Fred...

Notice the event is limited to a small number of teams... it's a testing day... too many people and your seat time drops... and then you're into rallycross problems (2 minute drive every 90 minutes).

Liability and control... you keep referring to the amazing closed-road TSD that took place at GFCR last year... well, technically, it was not a closed road... and the other members of PMSC are right, there was a huge liability involved with it. I imagine that whatever road MLRC has planned to use for the test day, there is no way that a max 70/CAS 60 would be possible... because people out to test and push would be flying well beyond that. A technical road would have a much lower CAS for a non-performance car.

Making the blanket statement that novice teams aren't invited. Totally wrong. Novice teams are more than welcome to sign up and come... the only requirement is they have a logbooked car. You wouldn't show up with a knife to a gun fight would you?

The solution isn't to run unsanctioned events... the solution is better education in what options are available. If you want to become a better driver, save the money, and invest in a few days at Team Oneil. The results are easy to see... so many people recommend it... they stay in business for a reason.

And... why should they lower the entry fee to $50 for you when a regular "tester" is paying $375. I don't know exact numbers... but you might be surprised to know how much of that fee is going towards event insurance and fees for closing the road. Close a road, you need insurance, which means you need to pay... doesn't matter if you're caged or not.

Please man... gonna say this publicly... stop the crazy manhunt you seem to be on... work with the clubs. If you can't invest the time to sit down with executives and organizers, how can you have all this time to run events and participate in rally?