CASC car registration history?

[mustturn..right]

Hi - i have a vintage GT car that has a very old CASC tag on it, is there any way to trace the car through CASC with the chassis number on it?

any info would be great as the previous owner did not keep the log books for the car. thanks

[Trackside]

I am not sure how the record keeping has been done over the years with regards to the tag number controls, but maybe if you posted here what you know about the car, you might find out some interesting history of the car from current competitors.

Another source of information that may be of use to you is over at VARAC. There is a link on the CASC main web site. The Vintage Automobile Racing Association of Canada has a number of very knowledgable people when it comes to the cars that have competed in Canada

Good luck

[John Powell]

A photo of the car might help too.

[mustturn..right]

thanks for the replies. i have no pics of the car as it used to look. i got ahold of one of the previous mechanics for the car and he had a pic from the early 80's, i'll go back and ask him if i can scan it and post it here. The car is a 72 and has been a race car since day 1, but i don't know what the original paint was - although i have found at least 8-9 layers of different coloured paint on it! i do know it was ran at Gimli and Mosport as well as a few US tracks.

i'll go to VARAC and see what i can find out - thanks for the info.

[DEK]

What is the number on the CASC tag ? Numbers that started with a 3 eg 3 001 means the car was originally registered in Ontario. I believe Quebec was 5. When CASC was a national organization, the different "regions" had unique prefixes for car registration so knowing the number on the tag helps to know where the car was registered.
DAVE KING
(I have 3 016)

[mustturn..right]

Hi Dave - that is very interesting. the numbers are very small. it is '4 006' or something similar, it's hard to read the numbers, the '4 0' i'm 100% about, the other 2 i'll have to look very closely to verify. Pehaps '4' was Manitoba's number, because that's where i am.

[John Powell]

So it's a '72 ... what? The make and model could help us help you. :)

[mustturn..right]

Sorry John - i completetly forgot. I hope it's not a big let-down, nothing sexy, just an old Datsun 510.

it has been at least 3 shades of green, had a BRE-style paint job in Blue with white sides, as well as totally blue, and totally white at least 2 times. it has Lexan windows and a snappy Yellow Lexan drivers window that is mounted to the factory regulator...

VARAC got back to me quite fast and they said that they do not have any kind of record keeping for chassis numbers, so thats a dead end.

[John Powell]

OK. Paul Lambke ran a 510 in the early '70s, and I think he was Regional Sedan Champion (or overall?) at some point. I had thought that his car had the BRE paint scheme, but I have a photo of him in '75 in T3 at Mosport at the Player's 200 weekend and it's light blue. Unfortunately it was rainy and foggy so the shot's not that great, but I think the number on the car was "32" (but that wouldn't be the CASC chassis number). I can't remember any other 510s in Regional racing them, so someone else will have to verify that. Anyway, it's a starting point for your search, and maybe someone else has some decent photos of Paul's 510 for you to look at in whatever paint schemes. Good luck. :)

Something else. In my notes I have Paul's car as a "Datsun HL510", but I thought that these cars were named "SPL510". I'm not a Datsun expert, but maybe there's someone who is and who can tell you if the "HL" vs "SPL" means something that could help your search.

[DEK]

John Powell, I'm disappointed !! LOL, you don't remember the Counterweight car #51 that ran in 1972 and 1973, then ran as # 52 from 1974 to 1989 ??
BTW, Paul's car # was 92 and it's probably listed as an HL 510 as it had an 1800CC motor. I beleive that chassis is "deceased".
DAVE KING
with a "sleeping" 510

[John Powell]

Dave. I had to quit racing in '70 after and incident at Harewood wrote off my car and my bank account, so I didn't get to the track that often. Now that you mention it, though, I do remember (sort of) some other 510s, plus "T" Cop (Tom Wright) in his very quick 210. When I get time I'll have another look through my old photos to see what I can find, and whatever programs/entry lists I have for those years to see if I can dig up any more info. And you have a "sleeping" 510? Are you in the same boat as Ron Woltman with his "phantom" 510? :rolleyes:

[DEK]

John Powell, my 510 is very much real, it is not a "phantom' The car and I were Ontario Region GT2 (B sedan) Champions in 1989.
This car is the last race car Francis Bradley drove (verified by Francis himself) Francis was the first winner of the Peter Ryan trophy.
DEK
CASC-OR Chief Scrutineer

[John Powell]

I remember Francis Bradley (the racing bus driver :) ) in the days of the "Miss Whiz" Lola and in a Sunbeam Alpine. Just kidding about the 510 ... the way we kid Ron about his. We know it exists, but he talks about it a lot but it's hardly ever seen, so he gets razzed about it a lot. :p

[Transamdriver]

From my collection of late 60's and early 70's F 1, Can-Am, F 5000 etc. programs, here is the list of Datsun 510 cars that competed in the Bulova and/or support sedan races:

Jim Pue-Gilchrist #16
Dave Rollo 31
Bob Ripley 43
Mike Topolay 47
George Maxwell 51
Paul Lambke 92
Al Cropley 198
Paul Swinwood 257
John Simon 317
Lincoln Kinsman 318
Andres Kasak 461

There were also Americans like Peter Schwartzott and Lou Gigliotti who would sometimes race at Mosport in the Bulova races with their 510's.

My program list is not complete so I may have missed a few entrants.

Linc Kinsman is still racing with the VARAC vintage gang. I'm sure you will find him at the VARAC F 1 reunion. (now with a Mini).

Many of these cars went on to become GT cars in the late 70's but were generally modified from their B sedan configurations - tube frames etc.

Hope this helps out. It's always fun to track down a race car's history.

Robert Barg

P.S. All these programs will be for sale shortly, so pm me if you are interested.

[John Powell]

That should help him Bob, and Paul Swinwood's a fellow MCO member, so I'll e-mail this thread to him to see if he has any clues.

[Transamdriver]

Glad to help. I did see 2 510's at the VARAC festival last year, but I think they came out of the Quebec region? I'm sure there were several 510's built in PQ but I have no info there.

Nice to see one survive. I have had five 510 race cars pass thru my hands in the last several years - they are neat cars.

Robert Barg

[PDSWOOD]

Ok So I get sucked in once again. I raced #257 and I do not have the history anymore as I have moved and downsized, The fenders on the car in the picture look much the same as my old one and they were from a fiberglass place in Toronto, most of us had to buy several sets :) . I will also try and connect with John Bloiun who raced 510's until two years ago in Ontario region. If the engine in the car is a 1600 and if it has the wildest ground cam you have ever seen it could be 257. If the car has rear disk brakes from an MGB, that is another clue. But I believe 257 was scrapped by Bailey Desjardins in the late 1980's.
Note.
Caution racing is dangerous and becomes an addiction. 40 years later I am still trying to kick the addiction ( although not very hard ) We raced #257 in Ontario and Quebec back in the ADAQ days when they first ran BFG radials and that car handled superb. Have fun tracking it down.

[Bruce Mills]

Didn't Ron Fellows start racing CASC-OR Regionals in a white 510?

[mustturn..right]

thanks for the info - this is great.

here's a pic of the CASC reg number. the car has the OE rear drums and front discs. the battery tray, steering box brace and seat mount were all Breazed in place - i haven't seen Brazing in 20 years - LOL! it also has a yellow tinted Lexan drivers window mounted on the regulator - all the windows (except for the front windscreen) are Lexan. also has an intersting roll cage - i've included a pic of that as well.

[DEK]

Is the registered number 4060 ?? Does anyone recognize that number or does anyone know about this car ???
I think I will forever remember my car's number (3 016)
DEK