i think Todd got off easy at DDT

[thgear]

:eek:

http://www.teamjamoto.com/dixeregionpage.htm

[Todd #65]

my wheel lugs weren't tightened..... I don't think those were even put on!

I feel really badly for the owner but man is that ever funny looking. America's funniest home videos? He'd have a chance.... try and get some $$ back for all that damage :(

[shawn cormier]

over torqued

[Slowpoke]

The Newfies at the local alignment shop liked to tease me when I ask for 80 ft-lbs torque...

"Just cross thread the buggers!! That will keep them on!"

"80? What kinda wussie car takes 80 ft-lbs?" (GM owners, you can tell 'em every time.)

[1999_ITR]

wow that was crazy all 4 wheels???:eek:

[Chris91GT]

There's a good reason why I'm fanatical about my torquing routine. When the car hits the ground all 4 wheels get torqued before ANYTHING else. No exceptions.

[thekid]

From another post with the same clip on these very forums, it sounds like the wrong size and pitch lugs were used, so they may have been torqued, just not effectively since they were the wrong size lug. :eek:

[brujack]

There is no possible way that the lugs were torqued or even close to properly installed. 20 lugs do not fall off after 200ft of track unless they were just barely hand tight. I feel sorry for the guy for having this caught on film and distributed around the internet, but then again he really screwed up.

Bruce

[Cap'n Pete]

OMG!?! :eek: That is just too good NOT to laugh at!! :D Wow, not just ONE, but all FOUR come off ... if that ever happened to me, I would welcome all criticism and heckling!! :rolleyes:

[Carguy]

ummm... You think the timing system scored him FWO?! LMAO! :)

[G-ForceJunkie]

ummm... You think the timing system scored him FWO?! LMAO! :)
LOL!

[Anna H]

"Hello all,
I was at the event and know the guy who owns the car. (No it wasn't me)
I was in the paddock area next to him changing wheels at the same time as him. I watched him torque all of them. I even borrowed his torque wrench to tighten mine (I always forget something after I get on the road).

He went to a wheel/tire business and asked for spline drive lug nuts for his particular make/model/year car for the Enkeis, and that's what they gave him. He did not purchase the tires or wheels from them, just the lug nuts.

The lug nuts where sheared off the studs. Several members lifted a corner of the car to slide a jack underneath it. With a few more jacks, blocks of wood, etc, they were able to mount the stock wheels and stock lugs nuts (at least 3 per wheel) back on, torque them and drive the car off course. The design of the car, possilbly for aerodynamics, tucks all mechanicals on the underside a little higher than the body line, or lowest part of the brake rotors. Not even the exhaust was really scratched.

I'm not a mechanic, but the mechanics theories there was that the lug nuts where the incorrect size, but they were just small enough to grip the outer edge of the threads (as I mentioned, they torqued to 75-80 ft/lbs without complaint).

Hopefully, the only damage is to the body and brakes."

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=18374879#post18374879
Anyone able to shed some light on this lug nut size business? :confused:

[thgear]

Anyone able to shed some light on this lug nut size business? :confused:

hole too wide but just enough thread length to grip the bolts, soon as he pushed the envelope all 5 of them just slid off the bolts.

i can see something like that happening, one ina billion but hey, statistics never lie.

[brujack]

From my opinion--he is making it up to cover the embarrassment. There is no way that he could torque them to the proper specs and for all 4 wheels--20 lugs to come off in 200ft of driving. They were not torqued. Now I do not feel for this guy. It is sad, the dude made a mistake, suck it up and admit to it and do not try and blame others. This is heading towards lawyers and suing. The Cover Your Ass and it's not my fault mentality have got to go from society.

Bruce

[brujack]

Additionally, if the stock lugs were put back on and everything was fine--there is no way that the wrong sized lugs were torqued on. If so, they would have damaged the threads as they slid off and the original lugs would not have spun on without being tapped.

Bruce

[Anna H]

Additionally, if the stock lugs were put back on and everything was fine--there is no way that the wrong sized lugs were torqued on. If so, they would have damaged the threads as they slid off and the original lugs would not have spun on without being tapped.

Bruce

That's what I was getting confused about...

[shawn cormier]

Again......size Matters!

[pigeon]

RX7's use M12x1.5 lugnuts, like my car, and like all other Mazda, and all Honda's :)

Even if he were to put the wrong size on his car, it would have been the only other common size, M12x1.25, which would have went on about 2 revolutions before the threads locked up and you realized that they were wrong.

[Navigator]

RX7's use M12x1.5 lugnuts, like my car, and like all other Mazda, and all Honda's :)

Even if he were to put the wrong size on his car, it would have been the only other common size, M12x1.25, which would have went on about 2 revolutions before the threads locked up and you realized that they were wrong.

Unless they gave him some M14x1.5, probably just enough to catch and torque but not enough to hold.

[pigeon]

Unless they gave him some M14x1.5, probably just enough to catch and torque but not enough to hold.
Thats true too. That shop is in for a lawsuit if they made that mistake! That would be an odd size to have on-hand though, isn't it? What vehicle uses an M14?

[J.C.]

Thats true too. That shop is in for a lawsuit if they made that mistake! That would be an odd size to have on-hand though, isn't it? What vehicle uses an M14?

VW
http://www.bildon.com/catalog/results.cfm?category=Suspension&SubCategory=Wheel+Studs/Nuts&Nav=10


P.S. I don't get the title of this thread, this is not at DDT?

[thgear]

VW
http://www.bildon.com/catalog/results.cfm?category=Suspension&SubCategory=Wheel+Studs/Nuts&Nav=10


P.S. I don't get the title of this thread, this is not at DDT?

Todd and Andy share a car,

during the evenings run they decided to switch wheels, but forgot to tighten some (all?) of the lugnuts.

Todd can tell the rest of the story... :)

[Navigator]

Found this on a US site.

Hello all,
I was at the event and know the guy who owns the car. (No it wasn't me)
I was in the paddock area next to him changing wheels at the same time as him. I watched him torque all of them. I even borrowed his torque wrench to tighten mine (I always forget something after I get on the road).

He went to a wheel/tire business and asked for spline drive lug nuts for his particular make/model/year car for the Enkeis, and that's what they gave him. He did not purchase the tires or wheels from them, just the lug nuts.

The lug nuts where sheared off the studs. Several members lifted a corner of the car to slide a jack underneath it. With a few more jacks, blocks of wood, etc, they were able to mount the stock wheels and stock lugs nuts (at least 3 per wheel) back on, torque them and drive the car off course. The design of the car, possilbly for aerodynamics, tucks all mechanicals on the underside a little higher than the body line, or lowest part of the brake rotors. Not even the exhaust was really scratched.

I'm not a mechanic, but the mechanics theories there was that the lug nuts where the incorrect size, but they were just small enough to grip the outer edge of the threads (as I mentioned, they torqued to 75-80 ft/lbs without complaint).

Hopefully, the only damage is to the body and brakes.

[Eric H]

Uh, ya... Anna also posted here on this thread. :rolleyes:

[Todd #65]

Todd and Andy share a car,

during the evenings run they decided to switch wheels, but forgot to tighten some (all?) of the lugnuts.

Todd can tell the rest of the story... :)

Not an awful lot to tell. My warm-up lap entailed a vibration that kept getting worse and worse (as I drove slower and slower). Half way around the lap I put on my 4-ways and crawled up to the start/finish to stop and check the vehicle over.

My driver side front wheel was sticking out as far as it could possibly be without falling off, (I'm not even sure where it was still touching the hub/vehicle). It appeared to be clear off of every bolt.

The most humourous/unbelievable part was that two of the lug nuts were sitting on the ground directly beside the wheel where I came to a stop. (the rest were missing)

[budgetracer]

:( Brujack you are brutal, especially when Anna Maria tells you what happened from a first hand perspective.
My story, once upon a fairy tale I bought some wheels from Cheap Thrills. I had the new tires mounted @ Oshawa tire, picked them up at the manager's house in Oshawa @ 11:00pm on my way to Shannonville. At 1:00 am I decided to put the new rims on the car as I would be too tired to do so the next morning. I used the fancy nuts that came with the rims. They had the correct metric i.d. stamped on the body. I torqued them & saw/felt that they really were not tightening up. Every one stripped. The material was very strangely soft. The next morning (same morning!)I ran around Belleville, located the UAP & purchased some simple nuts that worked. I still have both sets of nuts. If I had not felt the difference I would have had the same result.

[brujack]

How exactly am I brutal? Anna was not at the event. She just made a cross post from another thread. The account does not add up in any way shape or form. It is so far from possible that 20 lugs would all fall off within 200ft if they were torqued. I don't doubt that the wrong lugs were installed, but no way were they properly torqued. Just because you had an experience where you received the wrong lugs and they were loose does not prove that the story that has been circulated.

Bruce

[shawn cormier]

one time at band camp.............

[thgear]

so i'm at York university taking a piss and i notice that the maintenance cabinet right in front of me has the locks broken on it,

so i open the sucker up and see all the pipes and cranks in the walls to regulate the water flow and shit, then i notice how much space is in there and that if someone wanted to they could pile up a good amount of bodies in there

not having any bodies to hide i went out and grabbed a few garbage cans that were in the halls and dragged them into the washroom and threw them into the maintenance cabinet

two weeks passed before i guess someone found them in there.

beer is a wonderful beverage

[Greg F]

Until you try the experiment for yourself, it might be hard to believe. Perhaps using an M14 nut on an M12 stud of the same pitch can deform the threads just enough that the torque reaches the specified value.

Another angle to this might be whether or not the wheels were centred only by nuts or the hub.

Does anyone want to try this experiment with a stud and nut and let us know the result?

[racer68]

Take it from someone who has gone onto Mosports big track with hand tightened wheel nuts. Those nuts took almost two laps to start coming off and they came off one at a time not all at once. As far as I'm concerned there just has to be a different explanation then the wheel nuts were not tight.