rule book

[Tony Kloosterma]

where can i find a copy of the 2006 or 2007 rulebook.
I am looking for a specific section to use for an example for another discipline so it does not have to be the current ruleset

thanks

tony

[JoeT]

http://solo2.casc.on.ca/info/rules.php

[Tony Kloosterma]

thanks i was looking for the info/format on page 61

i think it is a good way to show what is and what isn't allowed in classing

Tony

[JoeT]

Hi Tony,

Yeah, it kind of simplifies things.

You may find this link much better though if you're only looking for Page 61: http://solo2.casc.on.ca/info/documents/2007-CASC-OR-Solo-2-Prep-Point-Schedule.pdf

It's an excerpt from that page, basically a worksheet.

[miataboi]

In my opinion... here is a more complete rulebook.

http://scca.com/documents/Solo%20Rules/2007SoloRules.pdf


The SCCA rules and classing is more stable and in CASC-OR's case, we have already cherry-picked sections directly out of this original source. In CASC's case, some of the sections do not make sense because they were taken out of the SCCA rulebook without the appropriate context. In other instances, much content has been left out and this leads to problems of incompleteness (see no definition of intake or intercooler in `06)

SCCA`s rules are looked at monthly and amended, clarified and added to as issues arise from the hundreds of SCCA affiliated clubs. They are also able to benefit from top-notch competition from the 400 national calibre entries from each National Tour event... and the 1200 National quality competitors from the SCCA Nationals. You end up with 20 to 40 competitors in each class... Surely a more equal ruleset can be derived from this method, rather than a once-a-year perusal of our ruleset and only a few changes made based on gut-feel, or as a result of a vocal few with self-serving interests.


Just a thought.

[JoeT]

Hey Jeff Watson, Howya doin?

How did you do at the SCCA events you did last year? What class did you run, did you take home some hardware?

Let us know, perhaps we can join you in some activities next time you go. :D

[Tony Kloosterma]

Jeff, thanks for the input, I wasn't using this for any type of solo classing, I was just trying to use the example for a different type of activity where one could easily see if they were in a stock modified or open class.
The format on page 61 does that quite easily

Thanks

Tony

[miataboi]

Tony,

Here's a REAL simple / abridged version of the SCCA rulebook... I think it's often used at the registration table for newbies that have NO IDEA what class their car is supposed to be in...

Neat version / idea.
http://www.odr-scca.org/DIY-classing.htm

[JoeT]

Tony,

Here's a REAL simple / abridged version of the SCCA rulebook... I think it's often used at the registration table for newbies that have NO IDEA what class their car is supposed to be in...

Neat version / idea.
http://www.odr-scca.org/DIY-classing.htm

Great link!!

I particularly like this one: (Notice stock allowable tire and rim sizes)

[Doug Phillips]

In my opinion... here is a more complete rulebook.

http://scca.com/documents/Solo%20Rules/2007SoloRules.pdf


The SCCA rules and classing is more stable and in CASC-OR's case, we have already cherry-picked sections directly out of this original source. In CASC's case, some of the sections do not make sense because they were taken out of the SCCA rulebook without the appropriate context. In other instances, much content has been left out and this leads to problems of incompleteness (see no definition of intake or intercooler in `06)

SCCA`s rules are looked at monthly and amended, clarified and added to as issues arise from the hundreds of SCCA affiliated clubs. They are also able to benefit from top-notch competition from the 400 national calibre entries from each National Tour event... and the 1200 National quality competitors from the SCCA Nationals. You end up with 20 to 40 competitors in each class... Surely a more equal ruleset can be derived from this method, rather than a once-a-year perusal of our ruleset and only a few changes made based on gut-feel, or as a result of a vocal few with self-serving interests.


Just a thought.

So Jeff, which ruleset do like better? :rolleyes:

[miataboi]

So Jeff, which ruleset do like better? :rolleyes:

Well... I just don't want to be a Salmon who tries desperately to struggle to swim upstream... just to spawn and die once they get there...

The rest of Canada is on SCCA rules... and SCCA has WAY deeper talent pools and full classes (10 - 40+) and allows for x-border competition.

There are elements of the CASC-OR rules that I like... for instance.. I like that you can bolt in a suspension and wheels / tires onto any car and make it a GREAT daily driver... and an SS car.



But I think that we need not re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic any longer and hold out in Ontario (and who KNOWS what the ASN will do for a "National" ruleset) with our own rules that are different than the rest of the continent.





I have a dominant CSP car that won Canadian Nationals last year... but realizing that the car had topped out... and could only repeat at best... I decided to park the fast, wicked-handling, neutral, RWD, torquey auto-x car...

...and play in the SCCA sandbox.
I built up a low-powered, FWD, never-attempted car with a difficult aftermarket... because I wanted broad-based competition and I was not interested in the CASC-OR politics and current situation.

In my case, I switched the development of the car from a street tire class to a full blown SP class 6-weeks out from nationals... so obviously not a wise move for competitiveness... but I know how to make the car faster... and am REALLY looking forward to more SCCA events next year.

Good competition breeds good drivers... and a stable ruleset breeds good car-prep and full-classes of good drivers.

[Marsh]

Why wouldn't you be allowed to cross border?

SCCA stock legal is CASC stock legal and competitive in most classes

SCCA STS, STU and STX cars are usually SS legal in CASC and competitive with either R's or street tire bonus.

SCCA SP cars are usually legal for CASC SP and prepped to the SCCA limit will be class competitive in CASC at the very least.

[Slowpoke]

I understood that SCCA had a list of street tires, and definitions of what a street tire was. I am not finding that on the SCCA.COM site in the SOLO area.

Does anyone have a link to this?

[finboy]

I understood that SCCA had a list of street tires, and definitions of what a street tire was. I am not finding that on the SCCA.COM site in the SOLO area.

Does anyone have a link to this?

did you try the link JTB posted

[Slowpoke]

did you try the link JTB posted

Have you?

Post usefulness rating: 0/10

Is JTB someone I know?

What post?

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I'll be a little more specific: Here's what the SCCA 2007 rule book link posted says about tires allowed in stock class:

A. The tire must not appear on the following list, which may be
altered at any time by the SEB upon notification of membership.

No tire models are currently listed.

...

C. The model of tire must be listed in a current or previous two
years of the Tire Guide and Tread Design Guide, or otherwise be
approved by the SEB. The tire model must have Department of
Transportation approval.



Is this Tire Guide and Tread Design Guide a SCCA publication?

Then in the STS a tire is defined as:


A. Tires may have widths up to and including 225.
B. Tires must have a minimum tread wear rating of 140.
C. Tire models must not appear on the following list, which may be
altered at any time by the SEB upon notification of the membership.

Pirelli P Zero Corsa


Given that the P Zero Corsa has a 60 A A UTQG rating, I'm not sure of why they bothered to list it.


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So is there an SCCA list of approved street tires?

[finboy]

didn't you answer your own question then??

[Slowpoke]

My apologies, I'm usually a little more tolerant of people who don't speak English as a first language.

[finboy]

My apologies, I'm usually a little more tolerant of people who don't speak English as a first language.

that's harsh man

[Slowpoke]

I'm serious... I hate to think of how my Spanish, German and French would come across on a forum that operates primarily in those languages.

When you take on another language, I have a lot of respect for that. Minor misunderstandings are to be expected. Hell... what would the SPDA do with Alain if we didn't accept his Quebecois roots? ;) :D