Super Stock with $5000

[gatherer]

ok So my car is gone .. that got me thinking, can I build another Super stock car and do it cheaper and better then I did my last car.

so the goal is super stock mod level (A, B, C, D, E or F Class) using $5000 to buy the car and buy the parts to install on the car.

anyone have any suggestions for a budget racer?

just wondering what the bench racers would come up with.

[StewPiddass]

Seriously Jason, can't go very wrong with pretty close to what you had.

I'd think an EG hatch (if you can find a clean one) in FSS with Koni Yellows and GC Coilover sleeves would be a pretty good start.

[13inches]

Not sure on the legality of putting an LSD into an EF Civic Si, but if it can be done its probably the best starting point. I/H/E + wheels and tires.... should be pretty darn quick.

[shamrock]

Would this work. Being sold in Ottawa. 6 grand, turn the key. Looks like a very god deal.

http://www.mco.org/cms/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7473

[gatherer]

Would this work. Being sold in Ottawa. 6 grand, turn the key. Looks like a very god deal.

http://www.mco.org/cms/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7473

little high for the budget and wouldn't fit the class requirements.

13inches,

I like that Idea. the Diff would be an expensive part of the install.. but it is an interesting option.

of course CSS would be a very interesting class to enter with a Front wheel drive car.

Another challenge would be finding one thats rust free. or limited rust.

Still open to other Ideas. of course.

[13inches]

From what I understand the D-series LSD cable trannies are pretty tough to come by, and it would have to have the same gear ratios and final drive as the stock Si tranny to remain SS legal (but you still take 1pt).

[Keith-02Accord]

Jay, my EG Coupe is available and I'm sure I could get it down to 5K for you, but you'd be in Mod b/c of the B20 swap.

But it's one torquey beast now.

[max attack]

Jason I'd consider a '88-'91 hatch,been awhile since I've read what we can do for update/backdate in the stockish classes.A non si being the lightest with an si engine would make a nice combo assumming thats doable in the ruleset of course.
Off the top of my head the eg hatches are nearly 300lbs heavier aren't they?,that sure cancels out the extra 19hp advantage me thinks.

Btw a recent edition of GRM had the exact comparison,might be a good read if you haven't already seen it.

[Marsh]

Don't forget to consider the current push towards SCCA rules. They don't have Super Stock. So it might be a one season car.

[h-bomb]

Build you car sans the cage. The cage is not needed for Autoslalom and adds weight.

A bone-stock Civic can win the overall win only a set of shocks, V710, and some decent brake pads :)

[Oddball]

http://www.gtcars.ca/online/import-vehicles/47262-93-honda-civic-si.html

Already has an LSD with budget to spare. Looks clean enough. A thought at least

[gatherer]

Wow .. lots of Ideas and yet .. not many in the prep level picked.

Marsh,

I'm well aware of the rules discussion. with that said I picked super stock for this challenge with fully expecting SCCA rules eventually (Either here or going to the states to compete down there)




Anyways I'm not looking for specific cars to buy at the moment .. just Ideas of what people would build given $5000 and a prep level (super stock)


So far on the Table is a 89 to 91 civic with intake exhuast and suspension done to it.
and a 92 to 95 civic built like my last car (sans the roll cage that thing was starting to annoy me)

thanks ofr the tip on the recent GRM article I think I'll look it up.

[miataboi]

Build you car sans the cage. The cage is not needed for Autoslalom and adds weight.

A bone-stock Civic can win the overall win only a set of shocks, V710, and some decent brake pads :)

Don't forget some 15x7+ wheels and 225 wide rubber!
And overall is a PAX consideration... not truly an indication of a car's potential.

[13inches]

Jason I'd consider a '88-'91 hatch,been awhile since I've read what we can do for update/backdate in the stockish classes.A non si being the lightest with an si engine would make a nice combo assumming thats doable in the ruleset of course.
Off the top of my head the eg hatches are nearly 300lbs heavier aren't they?,that sure cancels out the extra 19hp advantage me thinks.

Btw a recent edition of GRM had the exact comparison,might be a good read if you haven't already seen it.

Update/backdate is only legal in SP classes, so an EF Si motor into a EF DX hatch (there was no CX back then, was there?) wouldn't be legal. Entire trim level conversions of the same model year are allowed in stock and SS classes.

I think a DOHC Neon might be a good one to try since they respond well to breathing mods and it's proven they can do well with a good suspension and tires on them......

[gatherer]

Max Attack,

you don't happen to have that article do you? I've been looking around online but didn't see anything there.

but I did See an article about a 240 SX in STS in the states .. might be time to try something rear wheel drive and re-learn how to drive.

(I still remember the time I drove a Miata in an autoslalom course and thought "Man, this is all backwards to what I'm used too" thanks Ryan for the experience)

[miataboi]

Max Attack,

you don't happen to have that article do you? I've been looking around online but didn't see anything there.

but I did See an article about a 240 SX in STS in the states .. might be time to try something rear wheel drive and re-learn how to drive.

(I still remember the time I drove a Miata in an autoslalom course and thought "Man, this is all backwards to what I'm used too" thanks Ryan for the experience)

In that case...
A Miata in stock can be had for $5k now...

It'll handle better and post better times than anything else that you can piece together for that amount... be good on gas... and then when finds permit... you got a GREAT base for a STS2 car, or a CSP car should you want to go that route!

[P90Puma]

but I did See an article about a 240 SX in STS in the states .. might be time to try something rear wheel drive and re-learn how to drive.


Probably Grassroots Motorsports. I remember they did an article a while back.

[max attack]

Jason,its in the October '07(volume 24) edition of GRM.The end result was the '89 hatch won the solo test(but it was pretty close)on a short 29 second course.The '89 weighed 2084lbs and the EG hatch was 2225lbs,not as big a difference as I thought.
I'd consider SP class over SS and do the sohc vtec set-up in the 88-91 base model,I'd expect a potent little pkg for chump change.I just drove to florida and back-boat loads of very minty civics on the way there and would save money in rust repair to fix a car bought here.

Oh yeah,Jason the 240's don't make a bad dual purpose car but unfortunately the older S13's are getting pretty rusty and even if it looks good check very closely at the base of the strut tower where it meets the frame rail.Also they are generally heavily drift taxed now,as are AE86's which make an ok choice as well.

[gatherer]

thanks for the tips on what to look for on a 240..

I find the wieght they had as odd as the blue civic (93)I had wieghed 2033 lbs without driver and full fluids... (thats with the Roll bar and missing rear seat as well.)

And the USA is one place I'm considering purchasing from. I'm looking into Import laws and stuff...

Anyways a VW Golf might be another cheap car to consider.

[RRRex]

VWs are great. Are you looking for a bird feeder, or a car you can compete in? Cuz, depending on your answer, I would have to change my VWs are great comment. :D ;) :p

[max attack]

VWs are great. Are you looking for a bird feeder, or a car you can compete in? Cuz, depending on your answer, I would have to change my VWs are great comment. :D ;) :p



I'm with you,no love for VW after having a couple GTi's.

Jason stay japanese please.:)

[Slowpoke]

VWs are great. Are you looking for a bird feeder, or a car you can compete in? Cuz, depending on your answer, I would have to change my VWs are great comment. :D ;) :p

Aw come on! What better way to relieve the stress of getting a good launch at the start line, than to replace it with the stress of not knowing if your CAR will start?

And something might fall off during your run.

And your left headlight will stop working for no apparent reason.

But you get a FAST sticker with that car, right?

[Marsh]

VW's are awesome solo cars... so long as you plan all you turns out a day or two ahead of time.

[Pete@Marcor]

...... so an EF Si motor into a EF DX hatch (there was no CX back then, was there?) wouldn't be legal. Entire trim level conversions of the same model year are allowed in stock and SS classes.

I think a DOHC Neon might be a good one to try since they respond well to breathing mods and it's proven they can do well with a good suspension and tires on them......

88-91 CX's were around. They were the basis for the Honda-Michelin cars. SOHC D15, 4 SPEED transmission, and pretty minimalistic interior. Vinyl seats, no radio, that kinda stuff.

Jason, it all depends upon what you want to do. Do you want to win an SS class, or win overall? Also, do you have plans to continue on with the car, assuming we move to SCCA rules?

I am primarily a FWD driver, so that will always bias my choice. Hondas are a great choice for Stock and SS, as are early Miata's. The Miata still does great in SCCA SP, but the majority of higher prepped Hondas seem to be run in SM or STS.

VWs have their strong points, even if the archaic strut system is not the best for camber gain. You can look to a lot of currrent cars that still use MacPherson Struts for their suspension design. Just don't ever expect it to rev to 9K RPM. More than once. :)

Figure on coilovers of some sort of adjustability, with a bit of power added. I would also suggest an LSD, and with a Honda, a JDM trans (assuming it uses the same ratios as the USDM car) is the easy way to get one. I think that Miata LSDs are probably available in the used market, as well. Also, you will need to run a 7" wheel with 225 section tires. If you still have your 14X7s, a couple of guys make 225/50R14, or you can do the 225/45R15s, if you are moving to 15"

On thing to consider is that transporting tires to an event in a Miata is not too fun, but in a FWD H/B, it is amazing how much you can take.

[jduffett]

I've only ever autox'd one vee dub, but it was a blast!

Gutted Mk2 Jetta, 2.0 16V, 4k gearbox, LSD, 225 R's, no P/S... It was a workout, but fun!

[gatherer]

WOW.. you guys really love the VW don't you. I autoX'ed Andrew's VW Golf in Sanair one time and it was a blast to drive, a little loose in the rear but fun none the less... :p

ok if we need some goals for this car then goals we shall have. The original plan before my car got stolen, was to take the civic to PEI and have my honeymoon running the nationals .. my brother was going to fly out to meet us for the nationals weekend.

Now the car is gone.

Pete,

the ultimate goal is to have something for the 2008 Nationals. And I always have the personal belief that a class win means more to me then overall. So I want something capable of a class win. I love the Super stock prep level. and If we go to SCCA rules I'd like something that can move into STS very nicely. With that said it doesn't HAVE to be a 89 civic Si which has been winning STS for many years. a 240sx recently won it and I truly think that other cars are capable if people didn't spend so much time copying a good design.

so number 1 is a car that is capable to compete in the 2008 nationals in Super stock. The car should also be STS (or STS2) legal for future rules consideration.

and restriction number 2 is I only have $5000 to spend ... regardless of insurance claim amount.

[7plymaple]

Jason your car was stolen? Did you do much to it since 2005? Well I cant wait to see what you come up with next. Might I suggest a late 80s 323 hatch? I dont know if you can fit 225s on one though.

[gatherer]

the only difference between the 2005 version of my car and the 2007 version is the 2007 version was way more worn out and beat up

Hmmm the VW Golf 1.8 Turbo (gas engine) is in GS for the stock class however there seems to be no mention of it in Super stock/SP so I checked SCCA classing again at SP no mention of the VW Gold 1.8 Turbo.. I wonder where it moves to after stock.

[7plymaple]

the only difference between the 2005 version of my car and the 2007 version is the 2007 version was way more worn out and beat up

Hmmm the VW Golf 1.8 Turbo (gas engine) is in GS for the stock class however there seems to be no mention of it in Super stock/SP so I checked SCCA classing again at SP no mention of the VW Gold 1.8 Turbo.. I wonder where it moves to after stock.

Well its still a shame. I liked that car.

If you go VW prepare to do a lot of Junkyarding. Otherwise older VWs are money pits. And they just understeer like crazy!

[nrg3k_civic]

I'm planning to take a trip to the US to pick up a cheap rust-free EG... hopefully a 1992 SI for under 1000. with the cost of a flight, and some good coilovers, you'd be pushing a similar car to what you had before (DSS i think instead of FSS)... If you are up for it, i'm going with Kenny (from HADA) in August ;)

DJM:>

[h-bomb]

I'm planning to take a trip to the US to pick up a cheap rust-free EG... hopefully a 1992 SI for under 1000. with the cost of a flight, and some good coilovers, you'd be pushing a similar car to what you had before (DSS i think instead of FSS)... If you are up for it, i'm going with Kenny (from HADA) in August ;)

DJM:>

I wish it were that easy. I've been looking in California for 7 months and the cheapest "rust-free" Civic in decent shape is at least 2K and some push 3-4K.

I keep looking hoping to find an exception to that rule:)

[Pete@Marcor]

I'm planning to take a trip to the US to pick up a cheap rust-free EG... hopefully a 1992 SI for under 1000. with the cost of a flight, and some good coilovers, you'd be pushing a similar car to what you had before (DSS i think instead of FSS)... If you are up for it, i'm going with Kenny (from HADA) in August ;)

DJM:>

DSS should be much harder than FSS, btw.

There should not be much difference in speed between the FSS Civic and the DSS Civic, with similar mods, but the PAX and the competition will be harder in DSS.

However, the 92-93 Civic Si is one of the better HS cars around.

[mikewolf]

If you are going down to the states, you should pick up a miata. They are cheap, rust free and plentiful down there and make a great CSS car.