Honda wheel stud question

[MazdaMatt]

I've got some wheel studs on order. I've seen instructions for replacing these with the hub on the car, and instructions that say the hub must come off of the car.

Can I just hoist the car, take off the wheels and brakes and use an air-hammer to push the studs out and new ones back in? Do I risk any damage to the hub/bearings?

Thanks,
M

[VERNA_47]

I rotated the hub so the stud being removed was at the bottom.. then lowered the hub onto a block of wood for extra bracing. The stud came out with ~7 light taps from mr. sledge. I was confident that I risked no damage given the light taps and extra bracing.

Then install the lug nut on the stud directly on the hub to pull the new stud in.

[nscirocco]

you have to take the hubs off, there's not enough room to remove/install the stud behind the hub .. if it's for a racecar then get new hubs while you're at it, they sometimes warp

[h-bomb]

Use a spare lugnut to cover the threads before you "tap" them out.

Some Honda knuckles have enough clearance to remove the studs without removing the lugnut (typically the bigger 114.3mm bolt pattern).

With a 4 X 100 pattern, you would need to create the clearance by removing material from the knuckle - not really a safe option in my mind so I've always just replaced the whole hub (comes with new studs already installed) when the time came.

The rear is not a problem since the hub comes out without using a press.

Hanif

[VERNA_47]

nscirocco is right. I thought it was just a dust-shield that could be pulled back to make room.

[MazdaMatt]

No room? I know it isn't the most accurate of sources, but I watched a YouTube video where a guy used an air hammer on the studs without removing the hub. I will have to have a look at it and make a decision next time I can get my hands on the car.

Unless hubs are dirt cheap, i will be stickingw ith what I've got. I'm installing ARP studs... can you buy a new hub with no studs? Do you need a press with a new hub?

Thanks for the input.

[nscirocco]

No room? I know it isn't the most accurate of sources, but I watched a YouTube video where a guy used an air hammer on the studs without removing the hub. I will have to have a look at it and make a decision next time I can get my hands on the car.

Unless hubs are dirt cheap, i will be stickingw ith what I've got. I'm installing ARP studs... can you buy a new hub with no studs? Do you need a press with a new hub?

Thanks for the input.

it might depend on what year/hub you're dealing with .. on an integra, the hubs need to come off

you can get jobber rear hubs, the fronts you have to buy from the dealer. both come with new studs.

the old studs come out easy, just wack with a hammer.. when installing new ones just tighten down an old lug nut and pull them through.

if you want to reuse the hubs at least change the front bearings while you're at it .. you'll need a press (i change mine 2-3 times a season .. better brake ducting is helping now)

check that your old hubs are straight .. if they're not it causes the brakes to spin "wobbly" which kicks back the pads further and gives you a crappy pedal.

-nigel.

[nscirocco]

ARP vs stock..

http://www.psycode.com/gallery/d/53161-2/DSC00434.jpg

[Pete@Marcor]

The other thing is that you MAY get the stud out in the front, but a stud that is 1" longer is unlikely to fit into the front hub, without it being pressed out.

The rear is easy. Just take the hub off of the car, change the studs, and put the hub back on. I would buy 2 new nuts if I were doing this. I might even have some new nuts lying around. If you don't change the nuts, just change them side to side.

[h-bomb]

Pete means axle nuts - not his :)

[Pete@Marcor]

Pete means axle nuts - not his :)

Heh. Yes, I meant axle nuts.

[MazdaMatt]

Thanks, guys...

Anybody know a cheap place in brampton to get this done? Must be open on saturdays.

Pete, price on front hubs? price on bearings?

[AFB Race]

If you don`t use a press then you should put a drop of oil on the knurled end of the stud so it goes in easier, one thing that wasn`t touched on is the likly hood of stretching your new studs, I have always used a press unless it was a trackside repair, then I have a pice of aluminum with ahole to slid over the stud then use the nut to crank it in, using the aluminum as a shield against the hub

[John Powell]

An old machinist's trick my Dad taught me for installing stuff that's a press fit. Throw the parts to be inserted in a brown paper bag (the studs) and throw them in the freezer for an hour or so. A brown paper bag is the best for keeping the parts you're cooling free of frost. Take the part that they'll be going into (the hub) and warm it up (but not warm enough to warp it ... the hubs see lots of heat, so 150*F or so should be OK). Take each stud out of the freezer individually and press them into the hub, making sure they go in straight (using an old wheel nut will work). You may have to re-heat the hub a bit after the first two are in, and use work gloves as the hub will be hot. When everything cools down/warms up to room temperature, you will have a nice tight fit.