What can we expect at the 3rd regional?

[andrew1984]

What can we expect at the 3rd regional? (being mosport skidpad)

will it be a smooth flat surface, open space, etc?

never been there yet, just curious. thanks!

[Nissan Racer]

Lol...yes you have...remember the Shootout? I have the pics of your car running on it....you remember...I beat you for the Rookie trophy :D

[andrew1984]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
Lol...yes you have...remember the Shootout? I have the pics of your car running on it....you remember...I beat you for the Rookie trophy :D

oh yes, i remember now.:rolleyes:

but isnt the skidpad where we parked?

[Nissan Racer]

Yeah, same as the regional event last year...prob be the same again.

[Yvan]

Very small area. Last year it consisted more or less of a slalom to one end, lane change back, repeat, end. Not one of my favourite venues.

And has anyone noticed it's always cold and windy at Mosport?

ok I'm done bitching

[andrew1984]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
Yeah, same as the regional event last year...prob be the same again.

Actually I did not go to that regional event last year. You see I only started doing solo of any type halfway throughout the year.



P.S. I did lose rookie of the year, guess I should have brought R's and a diff for the rain :(

[spoonie]

is this coming up on the 21st or the 22nd?

if i make it it'll be my first event ever :D

~Russ

[Keith-02Accord]

It's on June 22. Come on out. All of the veterans are most eager to help out the newbies.

[spoonie]

will it be using parts of the track? i've run the DDT course counter-clockwise before and it was a total thrill ride.

~Russ

[Keith-02Accord]

I don't believe the track is used for this event at all.

HADA is holding a Lapping day at the Mosport DDT on July 5th though :cool:

Here's the tread for it:

http://racing.kos.net/soloforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1214

[gatherer]

total newbie question:

does anyone have directions to mosport? :)

[Nissan Racer]

#401 to Waverly rd...just past Oshawa..look for Mosport signs.
Exit turn north (left) go straight til you see another sign for Mosport (about 10 min)- turn right go straight til you see turn off for Mosport and the track is right there (DDT)

[ice/solo racer]

My car LOVES slaloms,so mosport here I come!!:D

[soloZ]

The best way up is Liberty street it is one exit past waverly and near Mosport is it really fun but it is kinda boring just like waverly until you get about 10 minute from mosport. Unfortunitly I wont be coming this Sunday I have to be in Orillia to see the grand parents and it will be the last time the girl friend has a chance to meet them

[Logan]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
My car LOVES slaloms,so mosport here I come!!:D
boo!

;)

[ShaneG]

Tom,
judging from the results of the last year and a bit, is there anything your car does not love????

cuz if there is, I'm lobbying for all the remaining events to include at least 3 of whatever that may be :D

[superdave]

Hopefully I can make it to this event. I had to miss the PITL and HADA events this past weekend because a brake line blew. :mad:

[spoonie]

since this will be my 1st event, what do i need to bring? can i borrow a helmet from someone?

*newb alert*

[Logan]

I don't know if OMSC has loaners, but I'm sure lots of the guys would be willing to lend you a helmet (you can use mine if your head is the same size, look for car #46, it's orange).
Bring water and snacks/food. I'm not sure if the concession stand they have will be open, but you might want to bring some money for food in case it is.
If you've got a portable method of shade, bring that. Make sure you check the forecast and come prepared for whatever nature wants to give us.
Make sure you have all your vehicle information (drivers license, insurance). And money to register!
You will probably want to run higher tire pressures, so I would get/bring a good tire pressure gauge and a pump.

[JoeT]

There seems to be a lack of information on the start times and registration times on the schedule section.

Can anyone fill in the blanks please:

Registration Time:
Start Time:

Thanks a whoooooooole lot.

[spoonie]

also, as far as stickers go (i undersatnd we have to run numbers and/or advertisements) - can they all go on the windows? i have new paint that is still curing.

~spoonie

[Logan]

You only need to run the sticker if you are series registered (I think).
There will likely be shoe polish available for you to write your numbers on one of your rear windows. It comes off relatively easy with water and elbow grease.

Joe,
I plan on being there by 8. I haven't been able to find a schedule either, so I am just going to play it safe.

[andrew1984]

hopefully someone can clear up the start times etc.

i need my rest damnit!

[tanney]

There seems to be a lack of information on the start times and registration times on the schedule section

As of yet there is no information. It has been requested. As soon as it has been recieved, the web page will be updated.

[ice/solo racer]

Shane my car sucks as a drag racer:D Wait a minute now that I think about I outran Tony in the cooper S all 3 starts to turn 1 at the pro solo!.(roasted my clutch doing it however)
About the only thing that my car sucks at for sure is RAIN-I now have a new set of 32Rsc's dedicated for wet days but I hope we don't have any.I don't think with the stiff suspension and rwd open diff that I'd have much of a chance against more than a few subaru's and front drivers.:(
The changes made over the winter to the suspension and chassis stiffening along with R tires have made a big difference,no more fooling around on street tires for me.And last year I heard mumblings of me using cheater street tires(azenis)to gain an advantage.I can say for sure that there is no advantage to running street tires-bonus or no bonus.
Andy C. likes mentioning about Lisa warming my tires for me-Andy I'll warm your tires for you too if you'd like!;) ;)

See you all on sunday!

[superdave]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
And last year I heard mumblings of me using cheater street tires(azenis)to gain an advantage.

People consider the Azenis to be a cheater tire? :confused: How so? Because its a good street tire? Believe me if I could afford an extra set of rims and r's I'd be running that instead of the Azenis. I would still run Azenis on the street however.

[ice/solo racer]

Some people thought that the azenis were close to R-tires in grip and with the 2% street tire bonus that gave an advantage.Not alot of people but their were a few.
In fact last year there was a couple of events where I out ran people on r-tires on raw time without the 2% factored in.
In the fall when GRM did its tire test I learned that the difference between R-tires and azenis ranged from 6-9% so in fact I(along with anyone else on streets)was giving up 4-7% to the guys on r-tires.The azenis are HEAVY and I can tell the diff in how the car feels,my victoracers are about 4 pounds per tire lighter!
Now that I'm using r's for the first time I can certainly tell the difference,the azenis are still a very nice tire for dual duty however,cheap to.

[J.C.]

All I can say to this rediculous comment of yours Tom is SHHHHHH ! What you trying to do make everyone faster! :eek:

[Gord]

For those that don't know the specifics about the GRM tire test from last fall, here is a bit of info. 2 very experienced (US national competitive) drivers, 1 2001 Neon ACR, 1 wheel model (15x7 American racing something or other), and a whole bunch of different tires both street's and R's, all sized 205/50-15. They put them on the same autox course and dah it out to see what the number were. 5 runs/driver on each set of tires (man that is a *LOT* of seat-time!!).

The results summarized are as follows (Best for driver 1/2, times in increasing order):

Hoosier A3S03 -- 39.17 / 39.18
Kumho Victoracer -- 39.29 / 39.43
Kumho Ecsta V700 (K6A) -- 39.45 / 39.30
Toyo RA1 -- 39.47 / 39.92

BFG KD -- 41.01 / 41.57
Falken Azenis -- 41.67 / 41.40
Kumho Ecsta 712 -- 42.19 / 42.16
Hankook Ventus K104 -- 42.20 / 42.24

This is only a quick summary of the details. The whole article has a ton of info, very detailed stats of the times, and driver impressions of all the tires.

For anyone that doesn't get this magazine, I highly recommend it. Best of the car mags for those of us that focus a lot on solo, and like/have to work within a budget.

I found it interesting that there was almost no difference in the Victoracers vs. Ecsta's in term of best laps. The averages seem to suggest the Ecsta's may be the more consistent tire, and the comments from the drivers suggest that as well. But, it is worth noting that the Ecsta was the new stickier K6A compound and not the older K8A.

Back on topic, as you can see there is 2 seconds on a 40 sec course between the slowest R and the Azenis. That's a lot more than 2%.

I know that the crappy Eagle RS-A's that I am currently running on are easily a second back of a 712 on a 40 sec course, so that means I am giving up 4+ seconds for every 40 sec of course to a Kumho R!!! :eek:

Man do I ever need tires in a bad way...:o

-Gord

[superdave]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Some people thought that the azenis were close to R-tires in grip and with the 2% street tire bonus that gave an advantage.Not alot of people but their were a few.
In fact last year there was a couple of events where I out ran people on r-tires on raw time without the 2% factored in.
In the fall when GRM did its tire test I learned that the difference between R-tires and azenis ranged from 6-9% so in fact I(along with anyone else on streets)was giving up 4-7% to the guys on r-tires.The azenis are HEAVY and I can tell the diff in how the car feels,my victoracers are about 4 pounds per tire lighter!
Now that I'm using r's for the first time I can certainly tell the difference,the azenis are still a very nice tire for dual duty however,cheap to.

Is this by the regional rules for Solo II? I wasn't aware that street tires got a 2% bonus up here. Obviously I havent finished reading the rulebook (first year involved in soloII) or else I would know ;) I did know that in the states they used that.. but then again the classing seems to be completely different aswell as far as I have seen. If I had R's and sway bars I think I would be a lot more competitive in BSS.. and also the running for the Novice award :)

[superdave]

Originally posted by Gord
Hoosier A3S03 -- 39.17 / 39.18
Kumho Victoracer -- 39.29 / 39.43
Kumho Ecsta V700 (K6A) -- 39.45 / 39.30
Toyo RA1 -- 39.47 / 39.92

BFG KD -- 41.01 / 41.57
Falken Azenis -- 41.67 / 41.40
Kumho Ecsta 712 -- 42.19 / 42.16
Hankook Ventus K104 -- 42.20 / 42.24

-Gord

Thanks for the info! I wish I had that issue. I've read a lot of people saying kumho/yokohoma R's are good for 2 seconds on a 60 second course... but 2 seconds on a 40 second course? Makes me want R's even more! If only I wasn't still in high school and had a decent job... :(

[ice/solo racer]

The 2% tire bonus is no longer in the rules,so no help to those that run street tires anymore.
I believe we need a street mod/street tire class like the scca started awhile back to try and attract more of the fast and furious type into the sport.With the current classing those cars end up in sp or mod classes and aren't usually competitive(big stereo in trunk,heavy body kits,big diameter street tires,etc etc.).
Just my .02 cents.

[Gord]

Some clubs are actually keeping the 2% bonus as a supp reg. MCO does, and there may be others, but it is not part of the region any longer. I like the idea of a ST class like in the SCCA, but given the car we see coming out that is generally BSS here. We don't see too many "competitively preped" cars for any class though...

I don't know if it would ever bring the "Fast and Furious" crowd in though. We have tried a lot, but they are more about show and talking smack than go. They have a lot of pride and most don't know how to drive, so they end up getting "owned" by things like bone stock diesels ;) .

The regional police recently organized a friendly get together/info session with this crowd to try to convince them to take things off the street. They were providing free time on a local drag strip/oval where they were measuring cars trap speeds from a cruiser. Basically, the strip is part of the oval, so they start where the oval and strip part, go around the oval and then speed down the strip. Pretty simple.

After watching these guys for a little while, I can safely say that 95+% of them can't do anything other than put their right foot down and then only going in a straight line. Speaking to some of the officers there, they agreed. We still encourage them to come out, but the police even said "you don't want them".

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread. Somewhat back on topic, the general feeling on the R's in terms of performance (fastest on down) is:

Hoosier -> Kumho -> Toyo -> Yokohama

The new Yoko SC seems to be on par with the Toyo from what I hear. Given the small difference in performance gain the Hoosier gets you for the cost and delicacy of the tire over the Kumho, I myself just can't justify them.

-Gord

[tanney]

They have a lot of pride and most don't know how to drive, so they end up getting "owned" by things like bone stock diesels

The prelude club showed up for a Pro Solo, I think in 2001, none of them even posted a time in qualifing (all of them off course, four runs in a row) and were bitching about what a farse it was. Needless to say, since they didn't post a time, they didn't qualify for the illimination rounds and were pissed off.

Yep, its all about the foot to the floor thing, tire screaching, smoke billowing, neon lights and big guages, oh and we can't forget BIG ASS WINGS! (Gotta have 1300lbs of downforce at 50kph)

[ice/solo racer]

Hold on my car kinda has a big ass wing-didn't buy it from a book however as I built mine from scratch including the uprights made from 2" thin walled pipe sqeessed into an oval.
Does that still count?.

Back to the f and f crowd,in the last 2 months since towing my car around I've had many many people give it a good look over-also have had about 4 instances where little pukes took the time and effort to yell out the window at what a piece of shit it was.(I don't think they'd hang around long after this 200lb construction worker gets out of the truck!)Not sure if its jealosy or just trying to impress their buddies with their comments-anyhow that kind we don't need around.I would like to sit em down on the passenger side floor tell em to hold and show em what a piece of shit it really is!!now that would be fun eh?
However their are good ones that just need a little guidance and I'd feel better if some of them came out and picked up some driving abilities.I tried for years to attract guys up here to events and for the most part failed badly-seems most can't be bothered to get up sunday morning.

[roooo]

You need to make your car more JDM .. then you'd get props from all the *****s. hehe

[Yvan]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
I tried for years to attract guys
Hahahahahaha.

[ice/solo racer]

Haven't you been reading the mags?drifting finally made to north america and suddenly my heap is in vogue!

I was laughing at the pro solo because when I was loading the car a few young guys came over and wanted to know if it was a real AE86 corolla-when I said yeah they all ohh'd and aww'd.Then asked if it still had a 4AG engine and again yes and more ohing and ahing(yep all 100hp to the wheels)
I found it funny that my car was older then they were but because they read about in the mags that suddenly the car was the bomb(still saying that?).
Besides how much more riced out could I make it-it is a toyota ya know,I shouldn't let the cat out of the bag but I've been using high octane rice wine for fuel and that makes all the difference!;)

Yvan with this same sex marriage thing I don't think your quote is very funny at all-hate to have one of you guys propose just cause you like my ride!:eek:

[ShaneG]

I would like to sit em down on the passenger side floor tell em to hold

Tom, give them a better view, set up a couch on the rear wing..its big enough :p

yeah yeah I know, you are still kickin' my a$$ :)

[ice/solo racer]

Shane are you volunteering?I'd love to know if you sat there if it would improve that elusive corner exit traction I'm hunting for!

I took the wing off this winter intending to shed the weight but the thing looked so naked all my buddies begged me to put it back on.Apparently I need to buy the latest cabon fibre wing to appeal to the *****s.I like the new single pedestal one from wings west but it kinda goes against my low buck theme:)

[Nissan Racer]

Lol...single pedestal...I'd love to see that flapping in the wind.

[Marsh]

Originally posted by tanney
The prelude club showed up for a Pro Solo, I think in 2001, none of them even posted a time in qualifing (all of them off course, four runs in a row) and were bitching about what a farse it was. Needless to say, since they didn't post a time, they didn't qualify for the illimination rounds and were pissed off.

Yep, its all about the foot to the floor thing, tire screaching, smoke billowing, neon lights and big guages, oh and we can't forget BIG ASS WINGS! (Gotta have 1300lbs of downforce at 50kph)

AHEM! Nobody qualified eh? :rolleyes: Not only me but another car qualified and lost it's first ellimination.

BTW very few people in the Prelude club have wings at all. Many have removed their factory wings. Non of the Preludes at that day have Neon. I kind of the resent the association. Sure the TPC guys don't race, but the also don't rice. PS at least 2 dozen members have taken one of Ian Law's schools. They might not come out to Solo-2, but most of them do 'get it'.

In the clubs defence, back in 2001 MSCO did more promotion with-out really stressing the "experienced competitors only" like they do now. These guys wanted to go to the big show and didn't realize how few runs they would get if they didn't make elliminations. I also agree that the Prelude gets beat up in the Pro classes.

[ShaneG]

if it would improve that elusive corner exit traction I'm hunting for!

Tom,
I am not gonna' help you get faster!!;)

[Marsh]

2.5 second gap over some of the best drivers in the region and he still complains about the car. God, and you people say I'm annoying...:rolleyes:

[ice/solo racer]

Hey if I don't continue to make the thing work better I feel like I'm not learning anything about car setup,and forward bite on corner exit is one area I'd like to improve.I made a huge improvement with my last redesign of the rear suspension since Picton but there's still room for improvement ya know.(can you say LSD boys and girls)
I don't think its annoying for a driver/crew chief to want to improve,and I'm not complaining about the car I just know where the car could be a little better and strive to improve it.
Quite the contrary I couldn't be much more impressed with how well the car in general is working,I should have pulled a Marsh and putted around the last run on sunday as I really f---ed my back up with it.Of course solo 2 is about the fastest single run and I for one need to push myself to see what I/car can do.

So I guess if people find a person that wants to continually improve their driving and their car and not just settle for being good enough annoying so be it.:D

[Marsh]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
I should have pulled a Marsh and putted around the last run on sunday as I really f---ed my back up with it.Of course solo 2 is about the fastest single run and I for one need to push myself to see what I/car can do.

Hey the team engineer's first job is to read and unerstand the rule book. I take no shame in doing what it takes to win.

[ice/solo racer]

I couldn't agree with you more Marsh,we both play the rule book to our advantages.Your very good at the logististics of playing around back ups,and I with first picking a class to run and researching which car I thought when modded would be the best for the job within the rules provided.
I didn't mean to imply that you should take shame,I chose to race the way I race and you the way you do.For me I'm there to see how fast I can go regardless of the back up thing,although that may change as I to want to do the very best I can.

[ToyotaAutoXer]

"Pulling a Marsh" = sand-bagging your last four runs in a three car class :p (don't mind me; I'm just bitter)

Tom: as a member of the F&F generation, I can tell you that your car is "JDM Approved" :D

[Marsh]

Yes, Tom your car isn't cool for what it is, it's cool for what it is capable of becoming for very little cash.

BTW I would play the class game too, but I started doing this after I bought my car. I just got lucky in that respect. To this day my friends ask me what I think of a certain car and I say "Ewww, bad class!".

[Chris P]

Tom, what do you mean by "redsign" the rear suspension. That term just seems to imply adjusting the position of mounting points and actually redisgning the geometry of the suspenion components. Just curious. For clarifcations sake i don't really consider adjusting spring rates a redesign, that more of a settup/alignment. Sorry for netpicking...

[ice/solo racer]

Chris I didn't redesign the geometry as such(although I'd like to try to get a better lower control arm angle for forward bite)I had to try something to plant the inside rear wheel better.I built a coilover conversion for the solid rear axel and used 450lbs springs but since the car is light there was virtually zero preload on the springs which resulted in massive wheel spin any time the throttle was touched on corner exit.The spring rate made the car feel better than the 280lbs trd's did.(now that I'm on r-tires)
So I returned the trd's to their stock location and added a set of 210lbs springs to the coilover for a combined rate of 490lbs with the 210's set with about 1" of preload.Basically the same thing as a tender spring but the trd spring is included at all points in suspension compression instead of just after the tender spring is fully compressed.I'm poor and I could do this with parts at hand.
That was the set-up I ran for the hada event,made a big difference in both corner entry rotation and better corner exits.Car still spins the tire(stupid peg leg diff) but now at least the thing moves forward.
Hopefully next winter I can finally afford an LSD and this slightly unusual setup will be unneccessary.
I don't consider the question as nitpicking,I'm not like some guys as I have no problem sharing what little bit I know or what I've done to the car.Besides its not like there's a whole herd of corolla's lined up in the paddock dying to know what I've done so they can copy it.

[Marsh]

So Tom, you have one spring on top of the other on one shock? Or two springs in two different locations?

[ice/solo racer]

I'm using TRD springs in the factory location on the rear end and secondary springs mounted on the shocks like a conventional coilover.
A little different I know but I had to come up with a way to keep the inside rear with at least a little weight on it,the rear sway bar is factory and not that big and if I had a point left I'd unhook it to give it a try.
I simply found that with one stiff spring on the coilover it had not enough extension to continue to push on the inside rear when it unloaded in a corner.So even though the 2 spring and 4 spring set up has an effective spring rate close to each other(450vs490) the net result is better corner exits and a little better corner entry.
Since I'm didn't want to start ordering up TRD springs in a few different rates to test I did the above,proved to be very cost effective as it was essentially free as I had all the parts.
I was afraid that if I tried a 200lbs or so tender spring that I would have a weird handling thing because I wouldn't get the stiff rate untill the tender spring went into coil bind.With the other setup I have the stiff rate at all points of travel with the benefit of some extension power.