Event 4 Competitor List

[Rob McAuley]

Class PIPs Name Car
OM 105.0 John Smeets Tiga Spec Racer
Impr 98.4 Gord Allcock Chevrolet Corvette C5
SGT1 90.7 Timo Leppala Chevrolet Corvette
SGT2 89.4 Gerry Cornwell Mazda RX-7
SGT3 84.8 Brad Merkel BMW M Roadster
SGT3 83.6 Adam Hutchinson Nissan 240SX
SGT3 80.0 James Mewett Mazda RX-7 Turbo II
GT1 79.9 Alec Chalvardjian Acura Integra Type R
GT1 79.4 Alex Byrne Integra Type R
GT1 79.1 Taylor Barratt Toyota MR2 Turbo
GT1 77.9 Christian Sorensen BMW 328is
GT1 76.9 Jud Buchanan Acadian Canso EVO III
GT1 75.4 Russ Harding Ford Mustang
GT2 74.6 Robert McAuley BMW 328is
GT2 72.9 Jeff Graves Mazda Miata
GT3 69.9 David Pratte Honda Civic Cx
GT3 67.9 Bruce Pratte Honda Civic CX
GT3 66.4 John Charles BMW 325is
GT3 65.8 Tony Pineo Porsche 944S
GT3 65.6 David Eom Nissan 240SX
GT4 64.7 Jack Seary VW GTI
GT4 64.0 Chris Paczynski Honda CRX DX
GT4 61.6 Kirk Cranley Honda CRX
GT4 61.5 Chad Westerman Honda CRX Si
GT4 61.5 Ferdie Fernandez Mazda RX-7
T1 59.2 John Paczynski Toyota Celica
T2 54.4 Percy Edgar Saturn SL-2
T3 48.8 Paolo Giammarco Hyundai Accent
T4 42.5 Rick Dalton Mazda RX-7
- Eric Juraschka Chevrolet Corvette


There are only 30 people registered, so bring a friend!

[Rob McAuley]

Class PIPs Name Car
OM 105.0 John Smeets Tiga Spec Racer
Impr 98.4 Gord Allcock Chevrolet Corvette C5
SGT1 90.7 Timo Leppala Chevrolet Corvette
SGT2 89.6 Richard Paterson Austin Healy Sprite
SGT2 89.4 Gerry Cornwell Mazda RX-7
SGT3 84.8 Brad Merkel BMW M Roadster
SGT3 84.5 Gregory Judge Ford Mustang Dech
SGT3 83.6 Adam Hutchinson Nissan 240SX
SGT3 80.0 James Mewett Mazda RX-7 Turbo II
GT1 79.9 Alec Chalvardjian Acura Integra Type R
GT1 79.4 Alex Byrne Integra Type R
GT1 79.1 Taylor Barratt Toyota MR2 Turbo
GT1 77.9 Christian Sorensen BMW 328is
GT1 76.9 Jud Buchanan Acadian Canso EVO III
GT2 74.6 Robert McAuley BMW 328is
GT2 73.4 Les Iwata Acura Integra Type R
GT2 72.9 Jeff Graves Mazda Miata
GT2 72.9 Rajinder Singh Deol Honda Civic Si
GT3 69.9 David Pratte Honda Civic Cx
GT3 67.9 Bruce Pratte Honda Civic CX
GT3 67.8 Gord Ballantine Triumph TR8
GT3 66.5 Mohamed Hussain Ford Mustang
GT3 66.4 John Charles BMW 325is
GT3 65.9 Shakier Alladeen MINI Cooper S
GT3 65.8 Tony Pineo Porsche 944S
GT3 65.6 David Eom Nissan 240SX
GT4 64.7 Jack Seary VW GTI
GT4 64.0 Chris Paczynski Honda CRX DX
GT4 61.5 Chad Westerman Honda CRX Si
T1 59.2 John Paczynski Toyota Celica
T4 42.5 Rick Dalton Mazda RX-7
0.0 Eric Juraschka Chevrolet Corvette



We have 32 people confirmed. We need about 20 more to make a go of this!!

[super seven]

Hi Rob , I thought I registered for this event?
Robert Magro

[AirCooln]

Yeah, I second that. I'm hoping my cheque wasnt lost in the mail. I'll bring another payment just in case.

My Dads coming down for the day, but I doubt I'll be able to talk him into running his Chevy Cavy to get attendence up. He's more interested in seeing what I'm doing to my 'poor little car'.

[DECH_92]

Not that it changes anything but I am now 80.3 with my older Dyno sheet. Still SGT3 till I get redynoed.
New Yoko`s , wonder if its going to rain?
Now at least when Adam blows me away I can say, you have more pi points 83.6

[ADAM]

hey you have a v8 :)

i have a lowly 13 year old single cam truck motor...

[DECH_92]

mine is 16 years old
no boost, just cam

[ADAM]

ok...how does this sound.....

i will swap you motors straight up...

i get your 5.0....and all the stuff to run it...
and i will give you my turbo motor and all the turbo crud....

[Chris91GT]

"turbo crud"? I like it. hehe

Guess who's gunning for Nissans?

[DECH_92]

Sorry Adam, I don`t like the heat,
Like my old reliable Amercian v8
Keeps on ticking.
I would like you power to weight ratio though
What is your cars weight?

Hey Chris ,I had a feeling ,a feeling deep inside, oh yeh.
Is it cause of your trans?

[ADAM]

the car weighs 2600-2700lbs

so the power to weight is good....but its the handling that is killing you guys...not the power... look at event #3's results...

we had...

corvette 73.26 at 201kph
corvette 73.261 at 198 kph
240sx 73.76 at 172kph
rsx-s 74.40 at 175kph
m roadster 74.557 at 180kph
mustang 74.425 at 181kph
evo 74.511 at 179kph

if you look at the times and the trap speeds..it was not my power to weight that was getting you guys...it was the handling...as every car below me had a faster trap speed..and the 2 cars above me blew my trap speed out of the water...

so.....logically at the DDT since its a handling track...the cars that handle better will do even better :)

[DECH_92]

True Adam.
You guys no alot more about all of this then me.
Physics, how can a heavier car ever compete against a lighter car in the same class.
Is there anywhere a racing class where weight is not important in making a class?
That’s why I am suprised with this new system, where you go by pi
Physics does not change, g force ,weight and all that stuff
lol I probably sound like a real rookie by now.

[Rob McAuley]

Weight/HP ratio is interesting, because it is a general indicator of performance.

Given the same ratio, lighter cars will do better on the twistier tracks (HP is less important). But heavier cars (more HP) will do better on the smoother tracks (Pro, Mosport Big Track).

I was surprised at how well the power cars (Jud, Atkins) did at Fabi. I'd always thought of it as a handling track, but I guess that big straightaway lets the HP guys do well.

Of course the overall winner will be the one with a generally well set up car with both moderate power and handling - like a BMW.

[ADAM]

he he...for a big heavy car to win...it has to have POWER......and handle well...

and with 5 litres of displacement...you have the ability to make power......LOTS of power.. GOBS of awesome power.....

i was at a dyno run a couple of months ago and this 5.0 mustang was on before me....he layed down 474rwhp...on a NA motor.....

thats why IMO the best set up would be a light good handling car with lots of power....

just like rob said about BMW's...but of course i would say nissan... :)

thats why you see wretched honda civics with those b18 motors ripping up the course..small car big motor good handling...= fast


i think the whole crux of the thing is...you have to spend your points WELL....if you are going to build a race motor...then...make it a race motor....if its a comprimise then the other race cars who go full out will have a faster car.....

still case in point...look at brads m roadster..stock BMW kicking and keeping up with all the cars in SGT3..and its RELIABLE....i can't say that about my car....

i have been working on it every night this week..since i blew out/melted all the gaskets on the turbo side of the engine..so i had to custom make studs to better hold it all together...its really a nightmare to keep this turbo pig going....and every time i am out on the track.....this is what i am thinking....

"so is this the lap the motor is going to explode"

thats not a very comforting thought while trying to concentrate on driving fast :)

[ADAM]

looking at sgt3....it is going to be very competitive...

240sx 73.761
mustang 74.425
m road 74.557
talon 74.74
type r 75.554
rx7 75.771

you are just going to have to drive a little faster..and instead of trying to detune your car...make more power with it...

:)

[Dave]

here you go, Adam, a nice trade opportunity for a 350 V8 to plop in your car :)

http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22990

[DECH_92]

adam

[DECH_92]

Adam
If you put in a heavy V8 in your car, it will change you front to rear weight ratio ,needing different suspension setup, possible loosing handling, therefor being slower with more power?

I don`t actually want to detune my car, I just the want the car emissions and steel legal.
Now that I am at the bottom of the class SGT1
I wish I had the money like you animals to up the anti.

[Dave Barker]

Originally posted by DECH_92

Physics, how can a heavier car ever compete against a lighter car in the same class.
Is there anywhere a racing class where weight is not important in making a class?
That’s why I am suprised with this new system, where you go by pi
Physics does not change, g force ,weight and all that stuff
lol I probably sound like a real rookie by now.

Greg, the CCC was well aware that the calculation of PI is somewhat dependant on which track you are talking about. Indeed the DDT favours light wgt and handling ( as both you and I know) and if that was the only track we run I personally think the ratio of wgt/hp vs handling should be 50/50 as opposed to the 70/30 we picked to calculate base PI. OTOH the ratio should possibly be 80/20 at TMP or the Protrack so it likely averages out.

It seems interesting though that this year we have been virtually corvetteless yet those guys are interested in organizing at the DDT. My vote this wkend is on a Type R in GT1

As for that new HADA member who drives a turbo Nissan it is interesting that indeed handling was how he did so well at FABI and not power. If only we had had a dry day at the Pro track on Saturday it would have been interesting to see him trail the V8s.
As it was I was getting wheelspin shifting into 4th on the back straight on Saturday. So much for a power advantage.

[Shaman]

I'm going to be there in the morning... walk-in for stevo...

[Chris91GT]

Originally posted by ADAM
the car weighs 2600-2700lbs

so the power to weight is good....but its the handling that is killing you guys...not the power... look at event #3's results...

we had...

corvette 73.26 at 201kph
corvette 73.261 at 198 kph
240sx 73.76 at 172kph
rsx-s 74.40 at 175kph
m roadster 74.557 at 180kph
mustang 74.425 at 181kph
evo 74.511 at 179kph

if you look at the times and the trap speeds..it was not my power to weight that was getting you guys...it was the handling...as every car below me had a faster trap speed..and the 2 cars above me blew my trap speed out of the water...

so.....logically at the DDT since its a handling track...the cars that handle better will do even better :)


I'm going with the detuning option (by a whopping 15hp)... but I'm still coming after you! I just need to get rid of a minor push into Turn 3 (and find some braking traction) and you are toast. :D