Event # 3 "Preliminary" Results are up

[tanney]

Solo Ontario Solo 2 Web Site (http://www.soloontario.com/solo2)

Event # 3 "Preliminary" Results are up. There will be changes coming to reflect some new series registered people (That are not scored correctly in the series results presently) as well as anyone who did NOT fill out regional paperwork will be removed from the official results.

Enjoy!

[Taylor]

Good show Wes... not that I'm happy to see *those* results or anything. :/ Bah. PAX sucks.

Can you confirm (or deny) for me if ASP effects the "family pax average" for A Class?

[spoonie]

whooo...i didnt come in last. hopefully i can at least get to the middle of the pack by the next event.

~Russ

[tanney]

Taylor, I do believe only the filled classes (3 or more competitors), AMOD and ASS, will have any effect on the A Family Pax.

[Taylor]

Bah, Pax'd by homebuilt vehicles.

Ahh well, I knew what I was getting myself into. Oddly that doesn't lessen the sting any. :P

[spoonie]

is there any reason i'm not listed in the novice standings? do i have to be series registered for that?

~Russ

[Logan]

I'm looking at the class standings, and it seems like things are missing/out of place.
Perhaps someone can explain how they are listed?
ie:
1)
Class ASC, the STi is down as only event #2, but he ran at least a few runs yesterday. (I think it's the same guy, is it? If not, where are his runs?)
2)
BSS isn't sorted by score, should it be?

Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

[Logan]

Originally posted by spoonie
is there any reason i'm not listed in the novice standings? do i have to be series registered for that?

~Russ
I think you have to
1) be series registered
2) be a member of a CASC club (you need this to be series registered anyway)
3) inform the series directors (Robb/Wendy) of your status.

[Taylor]

Guys, please understand these are "preliminary" and are posted for our convienence.

Although I'm not sure 100%, but I don't think Wes posts them so people can find the errors, I think they have a process in place so they control the accuracy of the results. (Wish I could say that about all events... :)

So basically we probably shouldn't make their providing a convienence a hassle by having to respond to a couple dozen emails and forum questions.

[ShaneG]

Wes, Holy crap that was fast...Thanks d00d:cool:

[roooo]

Great turnaround.

OMG a 1.6 L Protege leading the overall standings .. haha.

[ice/solo racer]

Great job Wes,Rooo take a closer look at the points tallies and you'll see that things haven't changed at least for the top 2.
Marsh will still be on top with me in 2nd.Damn the big BSS class,I was hoping to focus on a decent back up for this event-so much for that-way to many fast guys and one really really fast guy to worry about.(not to mention a course that was hard to run quick and consistant)
Oh well maybe next time,IMO unless things get shaken up in other classes with some dominance Marsh is in the cat bird seat to repeat as overall champ again.

[Nissan Racer]

Theres some guy in a Protege in the lead right now :p

[ice/solo racer]

Thats ok he won't be there long!;)

[Logan]

I dunno, Simon is smokin'!!!

[tanney]

Thats ok he won't be there long

Neither are the the results that were posted yesterday.............

It seems that there was and is some confusion and some people are going to be really annoyed with this one.....

Competitors are required to fill out the regional registration form to be shown in the event results, OR pay the $5 extra and fill in the regional form to be officially scored for the event, OR series register to be scored for the series.

If the hosting club does not have you fill out the regional form, YOU WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE EVENT RESULTS!!!!!! If you JUST filled out a club entry form, , YOU WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE EVENT RESULTS!

So on that note, the results will be updated later today and close to 25 competitors will be removed from the event results.

[tanney]

Ok, the preliminary results have been updated and replaced by the event "un-official" results.

Substantial changes have occured!!!!!!!!

[Marsh]

Cool, by scoring me on pax, you reduced the pax average and Ralph got is 100 after all. Go Preludes!

Tome, Simon has two 99% backups now. I think he is in the top 5 to stay. Mind you he won't be in 1st for long ;)

I don't really look at overalls until event 4. Once you get 2 or more events in the net score then the flukes will stat to filter out.

[Taylor]

Yeah I have two 99's too. Muhahahahaahaha.

Did I mention how much I hate pax?

Does Solo 2 obmit Pax in the rain like Solo 1?

[7plymaple]

So Im first eh? I dont know how any of this "Overall Standings" or "PAX" stuff works so Im just going to enjoy this while it lasts. Wont last long. I probably wont bring my R compounds out to another Regional. Im having too much fun chasing Ryan and Hanif in PITL.

[ice/solo racer]

Sorry but I simply don't get the scoring system that well,when I look thru the class scores I only see Marsh and Myself with the full 300 points.Regardless of back ups 300 points beats anything less in my math.Has one event been dropped out after the 3rd event or something?
Seems a little painfull to me that even though I'm way more than just competitive with my class and I'm one of 2 people(as far as I can tell)to have earned the full points possible and yet I'm scored as 16th overall WTF?
I still think that if a class gets propositioned the points lost by the higher class should go the lower class winner,that way this back up crap has less to do with it.
I also think that maybe a system of awarding points based on how many cars our in the class on average makes a little more sense(I know that underfilled classes may get hurt but that could be overcome by beating the family pax for full points and awarding extra points based on class size).
I feel that I've put together a great start the season but because of all the competition in BSS that there's no way to focus on driving consistant-I simply have to peddle as fast as possible every run to ensure that the 100 points is even possible.
Enough ranting I'm done for now:(

[Keith-02Accord]

Tom, the series standings automatically drop your 2 worst events, so the max. u can possibly have right now is 100 points.

Obviously, with only 3 events, a number of people will have 100 points so to break the tie, the backup runs are used.

At least, this is my understanding.

[soloZ]

I don't have a Q beside my name in the overall doesn't that mean qualified for the shoot out?

[tanney]

I don't have a Q beside my name in the overall doesn't that mean qualified for the shoot out?

I just added the shoot out qualifing thingy before generating these current results so if you notice all the non qualified competitors that have actually scored more than 95 were at Sunday's event. You miss one event and you on the outs already:D Not only do you have to score 95 points, but you have to be very nice to me (and let me win or somethng) to qualify.

I will go back (which I will do the for the next set of updates) and I will regenerate results for the first two events as well and that should fix things.

Sorry dude! How are your Grandparents?

[eddie 82]

Originally posted by tanney
If the hosting club does not have you fill out the regional form, YOU WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE EVENT RESULTS!!!!!! If you JUST filled out a club entry form, , YOU WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE EVENT RESULTS!


I guess I didn't fill out the right forms then, I just filled in whatever they shoved at me :confused:

Good thing I'm not series registered and only went up to get some seat time :D

[gatherer]

ok that helps my self esteem after the 3rd event ...instead of being 10th out of 11 I'm now 7th out of 7 ... boy do I really suck...

by the way ... is there a reason why I'm still ranked as a novice ?(which I shouldn't be and I spoke to Wendy at the last event about that)

[tanney]

by the way ... is there a reason why I'm still ranked as a novice ?(which I shouldn't be and I spoke to Wendy at the last event about that)

I'll fix that, stay tuned.

[soloZ]

Originally posted by tanney
I just added the shoot out qualifing thingy before generating these current results so if you notice all the non qualified competitors that have actually scored more than 95 were at Sunday's event. You miss one event and you on the outs already:D Not only do you have to score 95 points, but you have to be very nice to me (and let me win or somethng) to qualify.

I will go back (which I will do the for the next set of updates) and I will regenerate results for the first two events as well and that should fix things.

Sorry dude! How are your Grandparents?

Ok thanks solo2guy at sympatico hehe, My Grandparents are great got to love them eh. It was the last chance for the girlfriend to see them so I figured and was told by my parents that it was a better idea to go see them instead.

[tanney]

Sometimes, family just has to take priority....sometimes!

[Logan]

I'm confused with the results, and I hope someone can clear it up for me.
I think I am lost because of the backup.
Let's focus on my (huge) class, BSS.
The results are sorted by Net, which the total of all points minus the two worst events?
Not the total?
The total is used as the backup to determine tie breakers?
OK, I think I figured it out while I was typing this, but if I am wrong, someone please correct me.

[Taylor]

Logan: The series is a best 7 of 9, meaning two "throw aways".

We just completed the 3rd event, therefore (up to 2) of your worst in the the 3 events are "thrown away". Which is why everyones net score is in the 100's right now. Or more importantly, your best 1 score shows. Next event, it will be your best 2 scores (assuming you've done at least 1 prior event).

This way you don't have people who've simply shown up to all the events in the top spots. It's more of a performance result indicator than a participation result indicator.

As you can see by the top few people who all have 100 points but their best 1 backup score is determining the positions right now...

[ice/solo racer]

I sort of understand the reasoning in that explanation but the logic defies me:confused:

If the the series is the best of 7 why bother dropping the worst events untill at least the seven events are over?Makes no sense to me as if points were left alone untill the seven are completed than the overall would remain a faily close represention of the final score after all 9 are scored.

[Marsh]

Because most people (not all, but most) do their throw aways in the first few events. I know I usually do. Taking the net emmidiately gets the surprises out of the way in the beginning. For example last year I was ranked 3rd going into the final event, with Rob and Steve holding a good lead on me. It looked like the improvement I needed was impossible. But if you looked closer, I had several 99 backups and one 97 backup. All I needed was a 99.1 to be in the lead, since my next throw away was so much lower than Rob's or Steves. They both needed better than 99.4 to improve at all. Surprise I won. If you do nets now then the results look weird now, but will make sense by event 4 or 5. If you don't do them till the end, then suddenly at event 9 everything goes haywire.

Because I actually missed one event and didn't get my 100 at another, then if they had waited till the end to remove the extras then I would have jumped from something like 10th to 1st.

[Taylor]

Indeed, it's a far better indicator for who's going to win the series.

Look at it this way.. if you series register (and therefore show on the overall points results list), it's expected you're going to make the minimum number of events so why wouldn't you show the events appropriately.

Like I said.. performance vs participation.

[ice/solo racer]

Thanks for trying to make sense of the scoring system,but in my mind things don't mean shit untill the seven min. events are over and then sort out the scoring over the final two.Does that not make sense to anyone but me?
Surely scoring the series as it happens and dropping the 2 worst events after the min 7 should be a far better indicator of performance over the series and not just per event.What I mean is once event 8 is scored drop the worst event to score seven then when event 9 is done drop the second worst finish to still score seven.
You said performance over particapation Taylor,right now I'm second behind Marsh in performance(after 3) no matter how you try and score it,series by defination is more than one isn't it.

I understand the more events in things will start to pan out but I think the way its done now leads to to much confusion for the better part of the season.

[Taylor]

Tom: *shrug* What can I tell ya, from Event 3 onward anyone who hasn't missed more than 2 events will be accurately positioned. My missing 1 event would not be accurately positioned until Event #8.

I wish all series were scored this way.

Course I don't think it would hurt or be difficult to show the results both ways, but personally all I'd care about are the style we see now (i.e. the best events).

Lets look at it this way... Joey Joe-joe has done all three events t now and he's come in say... 6th place every time, he has a total of 268points... now I've only attended 2 events, but won my class both times. Total points... 200. Who's really leading?

In 2001, I attended most of the Solo 1 events (13 of 14), points wise, at the end of the 6th event I was 15th... by the 8th event I was in 8th place! 10th event I was in 18th, 12th I was 28th and at the end I was 37th overall. But I wasn't doing really any worse points wise as the series went on.

Heck I was in the top 10 rookie standings for most of the year until people had all 8 events then I finished 12th of 39, or rather only 2 positions above the other people wh ohad done 8 events. Basically I was second last. But if you looked at th eresults as the season went on, it looked like I Was doing well.. but I wasn't, I was simply ATTENDING events. That type of scoring is misleading and doesn't truely reflect standings in a Championship Series.

I know what you're getting at, but ultimately I think this method is better, it assumes people who series registered are actually going to do the required number of events. Which SHOULD be an accurate assumption.

[ice/solo racer]

Ya I kinda know what your getting at as well Taylor-I just got a little pissy when the first prelims were posted which correctly(IMO)had me in second behind Marsh.Then when the second set of prelims were posted I suddenly dropped to 16th.
Just sucks when your sponser loves to hear how things are going,which in my case is pretty damn well if I don't say so my self!:) and then all of a sudden I get to say oh yeah BTW I just dropped 14 positions after another win.:confused:
Don't worry I'll get over it and as the season progresses I start back up the ladder I hope.I mean last year I was barely winning on the street tires and that damn Wes propositioned my ass once but I finished up in 8th overall so this year I'd hoped to improve a bunch.
Oh well let the chips fall where they may right,I'm still very happy with my preformances and hope to continue the trend(but Wes,Robb and Stephen all pose a big problem to that me thinks!)
The way things are going I might get a FTD this year,and I hope to represent the B family in the shootout(which was my main goal for last year but failed:( )
Maybe I try and stay for a few fun runs at the next events and let a few of the fast guys try the corolla to see what its really capable of eh!

[Taylor]

Tom: Guess that's why they're called "preliminary" results. :)

BTW, You're going to have a fight on your hands for FTD at the larger venues. :)

[tanney]

Then when the second set of prelims were posted I suddenly dropped to 16th.

Sorry Tom, but do you really need to see your name at the top of the list?



That's the way the software spits out results! I will request that the software be changed then the others that have one win and a good backup can get on the forum and complain that they should be at the top.

Or better yet, the result could be posted on line once they are "Official" and then I wouldn't have to change them 15 times (works for me).

I put up "Preliminary" result for competitors to see, a day or two after the event. I don't mind waiting a week or so to put them up. I could get home from an event and spend time talking and doing things with my wife (that I hardly see during race season) unpack my car, check my tire pressures (again) and relax, watch a NASCAR, F1 or CART race, sit in the backyard or whatever. Instead I work on event results so I don't have to listen to people whine about "Why aren't the results posted yet?"

[tanney]

More updates to the results to reflect the Shoot-out qualifiers from the first three events and a couple of other small changes to the novice standings.

The overall results are still sorted by NET score.

[roooo]

You guys really need a system that plunks run-times into a database.

What's the protocol for those electric-eye timing thingys?

[Marsh]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Just sucks when your sponser loves to hear how things are going,which in my case is pretty damn well if I don't say so my self!:) and then all of a sudden I get to say oh yeah BTW I just dropped 14 positions after another win.:confused:


Well that's your fault for not using a little more "creative communication". Your sponsor doesn't care about the finer details of the scoring system. Just tell them that you are one of only two cars with a 3 for 3 win record...

[ice/solo racer]

Easy Wes,take a look back at EVERY thing the I posted!

You'll find nothing but a guy trying to figure out how the hell the scoring system works and maybe a little bit of why.
And no I don't need to see my name at the top unless it belongs there.And I've never expected to see the results any faster(I've certainly NEVER harassed you about when there ready!),I think you do a bang up job every event and I don't care if the results are prelim's or you just post the official set,do what you like.
By the time I get home and unpack and take the trailer back to its place etc,I only have time to crawl into bed so I can drag my ass back out before 5 am.

This forum used to be the highlight of what little spare time I have and over the last few months my blood pressure has risen a few points I'm sure.
Maybe its time to just stick to driving as fast as I can and say the hell with trying to stay informed and up to date with the sport I've so much effort into.

[Brent]

Tom, I'll switch cars with you during the fun runs at the next event if you want. I have only driven a neon, the only other car that I have driven at an event was someone elses neon. I'd like to try a RWD just to check it out. You won't get to see what the corolla can do but you will get to see what my neon can do.

[ice/solo racer]

Sounds good Brent,I'll likely snag cones though with those hoosiers hanging out side the fenders.:o