Calabogie registration is closing on Friday.

[craig]

Last day to register, August 15.

We are very close to selling out!

[Anamaria]

The event is now SOLD OUT.

Registration is closed.

Thanks!

[craig]

Spots still open for Friday, though. :)

[Dave]

Craig, how do my dad and I register for the Friday event (two drivers, one car)?

Man, we were planning to run on the Saturday as a walk-in, but so much for that idea. LOL.

[craig]

Dave, for Sat/Sun, no doubt that there will be a few people who can't make it. As you'll be there in Friday, you'll find out then. :)

For two drivers/one car on Friday, let me check and I'll get back to you via PM. I know Nancy and I decided on what the policy was, but I don't remember exactly what was that policy ... :confused: :D

[bbqman]

CSC sell out is absolutely awesome!!! Good job Craig, I knew it could be done!!!

When will we see the complete list of entries?

[pigeon]

I've never seen a Solosprint event get sold out, thats awesome!
So whats the magic number?

[ADAM]

too many :)

2 run day if we are lucky

[bbqman]

Adam- why so pessimist???

With the resources of 2 clubs organising the event over 3 days, it should allow for 3 runs.

The length of Calabogie allows for many more cars per run, so that should help.
I suspect the discipline of drivers will be the key for a smooth event.

[ADAM]

I heard 90 peeps were coming ...no?

plus its a large track with lots of people who have not been on it, with lots of cars that have no times to gride them

[bbqman]

Well I cant speak for the organisers, but if this were my event, I would have my timing equipement set up on Friday and Saturday morning, where I would monitor all the cars on the track.

This gives you a good idea of "potential times" and not many last minute additions to deal with.

I do agree that is no sample times are taken.... the first run will be a clusterfu**, but luckily it could only get better from there on.

Again, input and behavior from the drivers will be key, if the organisers want things to go smoothly. I think that as drivers, we should know about where we should be placed and without rocking the boat, we can assist the organisers.

For example Adam, if you were to run last car, in the last group of your heat, it would probably be no help to the event.....get the idea?

[John P]

Key will be for drivers to keep their spacing on the warm up lap. Once your hot laps start stay on the track.

Also make sure your oil level is at the full line or slightly higher.

JohnP

[pigeon]

With professional marshalls, (eliminating the inefficient/lengthy marshall changes), such a long track allowing more cars on at a time, and a full test & tune day on Friday giving organizers a chance to get some gridding times, as well as giving competitors some much needed practice... I think it will be a great event.

Even if we only get 6 timed runs for the entire weekend, with morning lapping on each day, and the friday lapping for the entire day... I don't see anyone having a problem with that. Or people will say they have a problem with that right now, but when the time comes and people are burning through hundreds of dollars of gas and watching their tires wear down... they'll realize that its a lot of track time for 3 days.

Also, while there are some people who haven't been on the track before.. there are also lots who have. Many people have done the TRAC school, and a lot of road racers are coming to this event too.

[pigeon]

I do have a question though, will there be a disposal area for oil/brake fluid?
Like how Shannonville has that chemical disposal bin?

Also, does anyone know the nearest place that would be able to mount/balance a tire on a rim?
I want to bring a spare tire or two incase I cord one on the weekend, but will need a place to get it mounted.

Will there be anyone on site who could do it for a fee?

[craig]

I am planning TWO (2) timed runs (each with three timed laps) on Saturday, and hope for three timed runs on Sunday.

The first run will have yellow flags. Ontario people may switch tires, our guesses won't be perfect, some SNAFU in organization will show up, the radios will die, it'll be raining, another bear will visit the pits, another deer will come onto the track, etc.

I've given Paul, who is setting the gridding, some CQ results to look at.

Camp at your own risk.

Sunday we will try for three runs. Rain=two runs, Oil=two runs, bear=two runs.

On both days, the afternoon schedule will be announced at lunch.

IF people are, as Carl said, disciplined, and, as John said, keep their spacing good (pretty much the same thing) and their oil in their own crankcase, then three runs should be possible on Sunday, but we will shave morning lapping into a 10min. warm-up.

Disposal: Yes.
Tire mounting: about a half-hour away (Canadian Tires are in Renfrew and Arnprior)

[pigeon]

Is there a chance at all for 3 runs on Saturday, if things work out well?
Or is it a finite 2?

[djphoebus]

So what's the last number Craig? how many driver are we talking about?:D

because in our publicity we were saying: "The top 100 competitors in Canada targeted." Do we have a 3 digit numbers..:D

[craig]

There is a chance. If things go perfectly, we never throw a yellow, people behave, cars don't have mechanicals, animals stay away, the timing and scoring works perfectly, all the officials do everything perfectly, and the organizers don't forget anything.

We also have to consider how many cars start, which we don't know yet. If we have 90 cars start each day, then there is a lot lower chance of five, never mind six, runs. If we have 80 cars actually start, then five is likely and six a possibility.

60 cars @ 3 runs = 180 runs/day (last year).
70 cars @ 3 runs = 210 runs/day (what we expected).
80 cars @ 3 runs = 240 runs/day (about the limit for 3)
90 cars @ 3 runs = 270 runs/day (what we have now).

Sorry, but 270 into 180 just isn't likely to happen, even if everything is perfect, IMHO. We'll have to see how the registrations shape up.

People have to remember that the number of cars on the track is not the biggest thing; there are big gains in the number of groups each session can be divided into. For example, with 45 cars in a session, you have:

3 groups with 15 cars on track;
4 groups with 14 cars;
4 groups with 13 cars;
4 groups with 12 cars;
5 groups with 11 cars;
5 groups with 10 cars;
5 groups with 9 cars;
6 groups with 8 cars ....

So, in the above scenario, we want to start at 9 cars at once, and work towards 12, but going beyond that only pays off big at 15 cars, and 15 cars may not work too well.

The biggest preventable time killer will be yellow flags.Yellows destroy time on a long track, and 15 cars is a lot of cars that need to avoid catching up to each other. Twelve is much more manageable.

As for registration, note that we said "targeted," not "coming." :D We also have to leave time for mail entries, so a final number will not be announced until later this week.

Currently, we are in the mid-80's in terms of paid registrations.

(The budget breakpoint for transponders was in the mid 90's. If we had 100 advance registrations, then we would be talking of many different things ... )

[ADAM]

see I am not a pessimist :)

[bbqman]

Even if I get only 5 timed laps, I want to be part of a 100 racer Solosprint event.

Then again, I thought 15 cars + on a "big a$$" track like calabogie was doable!! I may be too optimistic!

[minispeed]

(The budget breakpoint for transponders was in the mid 90's. If we had 100 advance registrations, then we would be talking of many different things ... )

I haven't been to a National; does the above mention of transponders mean we are using them for the Calabogie event?

[craig]

Craig, how do my dad and I register for the Friday event (two drivers, one car)?

Man, we were planning to run on the Saturday as a walk-in, but so much for that idea. LOL.

Two drivers, one car, in one run group = same price as one person
Two drivers, one car, running in two run groups = same price as two people.

[craig]

I haven't been to a National; does the above mention of transponders mean we are using them for the Calabogie event?

No, it means that if a lot more people had registered, and registered earlier, then we would have used transponders (which might have allowed for more runs).

The big difference with the Nationals is Impound procedure. This will be explained in the supps (to be posted tomorrow).

Note to experienced competitors: if you don't follow impound procedure, then you lose.

[craig]

Even if I get only 5 timed laps, I want to be part of a 100 racer Solosprint event.

Three timed laps per session, with five sessions, that is six laps Saturday and nine on Sunday.
Then again, I thought 15 cars + on a "big a$$" track like calabogie was doable!! I may be too optimistic!
It is physically doable; the question is how many yellows are going to come out. At 15, there are 25% more cars out then at 12. A yellow takes at least 25% longer to un-sort, and is, all things being equal, 25% more likely with 15 than 12. If we get one extra big yellow with 15 over 12, then all the advantage of 15 over 12 is lost.

So, if all the competitors warm-up and cool-down quickly and evenly so that there are a minimum of yellows, then it is possible. Plus, if we run groups back-to-back, we have less changeovers. (Back-to-back means half the competitors lap and run in the morning; the other half lap and run in the afternoon. On the next day, we reverse groups, shorten the lapping to a warm-up, and see what happens.)

Currently 89 entries, 57 for Friday.

P.S. Adam, you are a pessimist. You're agreeing with my thinking.

[shamrock]

Craig said "If things go perfectly, we never throw a yellow, people behave, cars don't have mechanicals, animals stay away, the timing and scoring works perfectly, all the officials do everything perfectly, and the organizers don't forget anything."

..... some say I'm a bit of an animal and I know I'm an imperfect
official. Geez, your putting me on the spot:)

[ADAM]

impound procedure...

thats sounds like fun :)

[craig]

Craig said "If things go perfectly, we never throw a yellow, people behave, cars don't have mechanicals, animals stay away, the timing and scoring works perfectly, all the officials do everything perfectly, and the organizers don't forget anything."

..... some say I'm a bit of an animal and I know I'm an imperfect
official. Geez, your putting me on the spot:)

Forgot to add ... those are listed in probability of occuring, most likely to least likely ... :p

(just kidding, obviously :D )

[IanO]

Should we be displaying our regional or national classing on the cars?

[bbqman]

Three timed laps per session, with five sessions, that is six laps Saturday and nine on Sunday.


P.S. Adam, you are a pessimist. You're agreeing with my thinking.


yeah, I meant per day...but thanks for the math nonetheless.

[craig]

Carl: I know, just wanted to clarify for others.
Should we be displaying our regional or national classing on the cars?
National - the event is running under National rules.

Supps to be released as soon as I get approval.

[craig]

I am planning TWO (2) timed runs (each with three timed laps) on Saturday, and hope for three timed runs on Sunday.

Please ignore that statement. Everyone from everywhere is telling me that three runs are possible with 88 drivers (the current presumed attendance). As stated in various posts above, I don't agree.

The event is now planning for three timed runs per day.

I am hoping that Adam and I are out to lunch and everyone else is right. It wouldn't be the first time ... :p

[MazdaMatt]

please add to supps:

Delay of event penalties:
too slow causing yellow - slap in the face
spin causing red - 3 slaps in the face
spill oil on track - lap it up while competition continues
deer on track - becomes Sunday dinner.


That should get us through plenty of runs without issues.

[bbqman]

Hey Craig- in the end, this is your baby, you should do what you think is right, cuz in the end, if the shit hits the fan, "everyone from everywhere" will be hiding for cover!!

However, Saturday is the day that if you were gonna run late, would be the day to do it.
I am sure the track and workers would understand running late- to complete a National event. Again, we all have to work together on this.

Thanks Craig for having an open mind for the runs!

[Cap'n Pete]

I realize that not everybody is coming out on Friday for the lapping, but a little over ~50% are, correct? If we want Saturday to go as smoothly as possible, GET THE TIMING SETUP on FRIDAY, and maybe Friday evening, after we're all off the track, put together a tentative grid list, and let's ALL discuss it then and there. Friday night, not Saturday morning. From past experience, I've seen some pretty goofy grid lists to start the first event of a weekend (ie: obviously fast cars gridded behind obviously slow cars). I realize that not all of the times recorded on Friday will be 100% representative of everybody's best times, but I think if we take the raw data, and then use a little common sense, we can come up with a pretty good list (ie: even if Adam only records a ~2:40 in his 240 on Friday, let's give benefit of the doubt that he'll knock close to ~20 seconds off that time on Saturday ;)).

Basically what I'm saying is, use a mix of recorded times AND past results (whether from Calabogie last year or other tracks we've run this year) AND post it for us to see and discuss on Friday night. Hopefully together we can get gridding sorted out better.

[craig]

Hey Craig- in the end, this is your baby, you should do what you think is right, cuz in the end, if the shit hits the fan, "everyone from everywhere" will be hiding for cover!!

I know that you know this, but for the record, this event is not just my baby. It is a joint CADL-MCO event. I'm only going to accept half the shit if it hits the fan. :p

[MazdaMatt]

Pete, that sounds good. You could also assume that people that have never been to bogie will be pretty slow in the first session (ie, ME).

[craig]

I realize that not everybody is coming out on Friday for the lapping, but a little over ~50% are, correct? If we want Saturday to go as smoothly as possible, GET THE TIMING SETUP on FRIDAY, and maybe Friday evening, after we're all off the track, put together a tentative grid list, and let's ALL discuss it then and there. Friday night, not Saturday morning. From past experience, I've seen some pretty goofy grid lists to start the first event of a weekend (ie: obviously fast cars gridded behind obviously slow cars). I realize that not all of the times recorded on Friday will be 100% representative of everybody's best times, but I think if we take the raw data, and then use a little common sense, we can come up with a pretty good list (ie: even if Adam only records a ~2:40 in his 240 on Friday, let's give benefit of the doubt that he'll knock close to ~20 seconds off that time on Saturday ;)).

Basically what I'm saying is, use a mix of recorded times AND past results (whether from Calabogie last year or other tracks we've run this year) AND post it for us to see and discuss on Friday night. Hopefully together we can get gridding sorted out better.

Paul is well aware of the importance of good grid lists and is coming on THURSDAY. Less than 50% are coming out on Friday, timing on Friday is not as helpful as you might think, slotting Quebec and Ontario drivers together is not going to be perfect, and we don't yet know who is running what for tires. All that to say that we are already planning on doing what you say, but keep in mind that we need to get down to three seconds a lap difference on a 2:30/2:50 track to avoid yellows. That's equivalent to under a second at Fabi.

Again, I think a fair amount of time lost to yellows is inevitable for the first run. Everyone else thinks yellows can be minimized to the point of not having an effect on the event. I hope I'm wrong.

[Cap'n Pete]

I think the real pain in the a$$ is going to be the middle of the pack ..... GT2 .....

... that class is so huge this year, it's not as easy as saying "that guy will be faster than that guy" ..... I'm sure that's probably where a lot of the juggling will have to be done? :rolleyes:

[bbqman]

hey don't pick on GT2!!

[IanO]

I think the real pain in the a$$ is going to be the middle of the pack ..... GT2 .....

... that class is so huge this year, it's not as easy as saying "that guy will be faster than that guy" ..... I'm sure that's probably where a lot of the juggling will have to be done? :rolleyes:

This is nationals...most of GT2 will be running as GT1.

[Cap'n Pete]

hey don't pick on GT2!!
I'm not picking on it at all! I'm simply stating the fact that it's been the most highly populated class in SoloSprint this year, and with there being so many cars all within the same time frame, it's surely a gridding nightmare?! :rolleyes: (although theoretically, everyone should be running within ~a second or so of each other).

Some of our problems occur when you take a scoundral from SGT3 and stick him out in front of the pack in front of guys in SGT2 and even SGT1!!!!! :confused: :p Bit of a head scratcher. Good thing you're working the timing, eh Paul? ;)

[68vette]

I remember the initial gridding at Mosport Big was jumbled up at first. So I can just imagine how tough CMP might be. I'm sure they will work it out quickly. Don't think GT2 will be such a pain.

[jonweir]

Solution: bump drafting. :D
When the next guy catches up, he helps the guy in front and they both go faster!

[IanO]

Solution: bump drafting. :D
When the next guy catches up, he helps the guy in front and they both go faster!

Great idea! Just grid me ahead of Jon :D

[craig]

Final counts with the mail checked:

63 for Friday (12 non-competitors)
94 for Saturday, 58 from Ontario
92 for Sunday, 58 from Ontario.

I will be posting a list of people who are missing key information and who I don't have e-mail addresses shortly. In the meantime, please everyone ensure your emergency contact information is handy.

[djphoebus]

Just for fun, here`s some stat:

Driver per Class:
SGT1=5
SGT2=12
SGT3=13
GT1=12
GT2=24 :eek:
GT3=6
GT4=10
T1=3
T2=1
T3=3

Pour les Clubs=
CADL= 35 :D
HADA= 22
SPDA=13
MCO=7
OMSC=7
TAC=6
BMW=1
BMW Trillum =1
TAC/HADA=1
FSAQ=1

[nrg3k_civic]

is it correct to assume these numbers are based on the national classes, not the Ontario classes ? there were quite a bit more GT2 cars in Ontario that I would have expected to all bump to GT1. If only i could run GT3 in the nationals as well :( :rolleyes:

DJM:>

[craig]

We can't fully adjust for Ontario classing until everyone tells us (i.e., registration on Friday).

Reminder to run only NATIONAL classing on your car, and to have your PiP schedules, dyno plots, weight printouts, etc., in impound.

Another reminder to register on FRIDAY if possible.

[craig]

Thanks Craig for having an open mind for the runs!

Sorry, back to two runs expected on Saturday.

[MazdaMatt]

I expect to get weighed up at the track. Those guys don't have a printer for their scales... will a digital picture suffice? Or could we set them up with a slip of paper to fill out with car number and weight?

[Tashko]

We can't fully adjust for Ontario classing until everyone tells us (i.e., registration on Friday).

Reminder to run only NATIONAL classing on your car, and to have your PiP schedules, dyno plots, weight printouts, etc., in impound.

Another reminder to register on FRIDAY if possible.

What time is registration open until Friday? I didn't see it in the supps, just that it would be open "late".

Thanks,
Tashko.

[craig]

I expect to get weighed up at the track. Those guys don't have a printer for their scales... will a digital picture suffice? Or could we set them up with a slip of paper to fill out with car number and weight?

Assuming that you are talking about Jonathon's scales, a digital pic is fine, and/or a slip of paper with the weight, car, date, and the signature of who did the weighing.

[craig]

What time is registration open until Friday? I didn't see it in the supps, just that it would be open "late".

Thanks,
Tashko.

Registration times are given in the schedule posted to www.solosprint.ca For registration (at the track)
07h30-08h20 / 09h00-11h00 / 12h00-14h00 / 15h00-17h00 / 18h00-21h00

[pigeon]

We had our car weighed during a HADA corner-weighting tech session by Jeff Brown at JRP, however we didn't know a picture was necessary, and can only have the signed/dated form. Will this still work?

[craig]

We had our car weighed during a HADA corner-weighting tech session by Jeff Brown at JRP, however we didn't know a picture was necessary, and can only have the signed/dated form. Will this still work?
Yes, the pic isn't necessary.

[Slowpoke]

We had our car weighed during a HADA corner-weighting tech session by Jeff Brown at JRP, however we didn't know a picture was necessary, and can only have the signed/dated form. Will this still work?

Be nice to your CCC rep! Don't forget to fill out your Cub Weight form:

http://www.soloontario.com/forms/2008_curb_weight_submission.pdf

[Chris P]

Just for fun, here`s some stat:

Driver per Class:
SGT1=5
SGT2=12
SGT3=13
GT1=12
GT2=24 :eek:
GT3=6
GT4=10
T1=3
T2=1
T3=3

Pour les Clubs=
CADL= 35 :D
HADA= 22
SPDA=13
MCO=7
OMSC=7
TAC=6
BMW=1
BMW Trillum =1
TAC/HADA=1
FSAQ=1


What is this nonsense, the person needs to pick one club or the other. Please ensure the registration Database does not reflect this.

[pigeon]

What is this nonsense, the person needs to pick one club or the other. Please ensure the registration Database does not reflect this.
lol, thats Andrew W

[minispeed]

... and to have your PiP schedules, dyno plots, weight printouts, etc., in impound.



Is this info needed if running a stock car (other than race tires)?

BTW, great job keeping up with the all questions and prep for this event Craig!!

Thx.

[bbqman]

lol, thats Andrew W

I see where he is coming from. My registration may have looked like,

SCCA-NER/TLC/CADL/HADA but I thought it was a bit much.

seeing as it is a Ont - Que shootout, I went with CADL.

[craig]

Is this info needed if running a stock car (other than race tires)?

BTW, great job keeping up with the all questions and prep for this event Craig!!

Thx.

You're welcome.

If I were you, I would still print out a Pip schedule. That will show people the base class of your car and how many Pips you are taking (none, I guess).

[pigeon]

+1 Craig

You're answering questions within minutes, its definitely removing a lot of competitor uncertainty.. good job! This is definitely going to be the event of the year!

[craig]

+1 Craig

You're answering questions within minutes, its definitely removing a lot of competitor uncertainty.. good job! This is definitely going to be the event of the year!

Thanks. :)

Just remember that when you only get two runs per day! :p

[pigeon]

lol, thats OK... knowing that im going to get lots and lots of seat time on the Friday :)

[pigeon]

Oh also I was wondering..

On the Calabogie website it says sound tests are valid for 9 months. I passed the sound test in April for the TRAC Academy, and no modifications were made to the car. How would they know that I passed already?

[craig]

Oh also I was wondering..

On the Calabogie website it says sound tests are valid for 9 months. I passed the sound test in April for the TRAC Academy, and no modifications were made to the car. How would they know that I passed already?
I know that they keep a list, but I have no idea how they reference it.

In any case, if you fail the on-track driveby, then you fail, and it doesn't matter if you passed before.

[IanO]

Oh also I was wondering..

On the Calabogie website it says sound tests are valid for 9 months. I passed the sound test in April for the TRAC Academy, and no modifications were made to the car. How would they know that I passed already?

I've read that before, but I don't think they ever reference the history. Every time I go, they test me again.

[Tashko]

Registration times are given in the schedule posted to www.solosprint.ca For registration (at the track)
07h30-08h20 / 09h00-11h00 / 12h00-14h00 / 15h00-17h00 / 18h00-21h00

Doh! I kept going to www.soloontario.com and not finding anything. I guess I should pay more attention and actually use the hyperlink!

Apologies.

Tashko.