driftin event at OUR solo venue?

[finboy]

http://www.driftnation.com/home.html


sure hope sept 21st event doesn't hurt US?!?!

:eek:

[ctenche]

OMG...I think I might have to stop by to check out "Chunky BAI" in his "derifto" action.

God help us.

:rolleyes:

[Nissan Racer]

Yeah, I can see us losing the lots after that crap.

[maxrpm]

Why so negative? and err um snobby?

The F&F kids love this and it gets them off the street onto the Skid Pad (not the track) at SMP and teaches them car control. The more opportunities we have to get the kids doing what they love in a safe environment the better it is for all of us.

[finboy]

Originally posted by maxrpm
Why so negative? and err um snobby?

The F&F kids love this and it gets them off the street onto the Skid Pad (not the track) at SMP and teaches them car control. The more opportunities we have to get the kids doing what they love in a safe environment the better it is for all of us.

I totally disagree..

anything/anyone that can put a bad name to parking lot motorsports will KILL SOLO II

if kids want to drift, let them do it, this is our playground, and personally...

i don't want to see US loose it

there's nothing "win win" about it...

lookin like rice is one thing...

drifting is a totally different..

instead of speeding being an issue, it will be cars drifting around in city streets..

kids copying what they've seen on video and now live in our back yard

do it at the track.. not in our lots

[Lafora]

since when did you own the Brampton Centre? :rolleyes:

your argument saying that kids will start drifting around the streets after watching this drift exhibition doesn't hold that much water.

if anything, people against soloII could also say some dumb-ass would go tearing up the streets and clipping every apex on the streets after watching you autoXers go at it.

[maxrpm]

Their next event is at Shannonville, they do have arace track and a skid pad there do they not!?

It's not YOUR playground, do you own the parking lot? Didn't think so.

You're worried about drifting on the streets, so you want to take away their opportunity to do it off the streets because for some reason you seem to think the parking lot is yours?

Try again....

Originally posted by finboy
I totally disagree..

anything/anyone that can put a bad name to parking lot motorsports will KILL SOLO II

if kids want to drift, let them do it, this is our playground, and personally...

i don't want to see US loose it

there's nothing "win win" about it...

lookin like rice is one thing...

drifting is a totally different..

instead of speeding being an issue, it will be cars drifting around in city streets..

kids copying what they've seen on video and now live in our back yard

do it at the track.. not in our lots

[Keith-02Accord]

Here's the issue....noise and public complaints.


Drifting events in a parking lot will cause way more noise than a solo II does. Somebody complains......next time solo II is there, they don't see the difference and then complain about that.

I personally have no problem with them doing it at the track or at skid pads, but the problem is the public won't see the difference between the two events.

[alexb]

Keith has nailed it.

[Robv]

I think this is a tough one.
For one, I think it's good that they take it to a 'controlled' environment and not do it on the streets.
It's the same with drags and solo in my opinion.

On the other hand, I can see that there is a bigger risk that cars are getting out of control...

As to the more noise complaint; I haven't been to a drift event so I can't really say, but I do know that my RS with the RE92's screamed like hell every time I went around a cone :D :D

Drifting is huge in Japan, professional drifters almost have a cult status....it's really impressive to see the car control these guys have.....the kids will get the idea anyways, not just from such an event...

Jut my 2cts.....

Rob.

[roooo]

Obviously the Brampton centre isn't worried about the noise, otherwise they would not have rented out the lot.

MSOC doesn't even throw events at Brampton centre so what's the problem?

Is it time to start locking in property owners to exclusive contracts for Solo 2 events?

[Brent]

I want to take the drift class so I can learn to do those Japanese gymkana courses.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Keith-02Accord
Here's the issue....noise and public complaints.


Drifting events in a parking lot will cause way more noise than a solo II does. Somebody complains......next time solo II is there, they don't see the difference and then complain about that.

I personally have no problem with them doing it at the track or at skid pads, but the problem is the public won't see the difference between the two events.

then maybe someone amongst you should educate whoever thinks drifting and solo is the same and get them to know the differences instead of just bitching about someone using that lot who MIGHT BE ruining your fun :rolleyes:

[Nissan Racer]

I don't think the Brampton center knows what they are in for, they may think its like Solo II which they have no problem with. It will be a rude awakening.
If you don't think the kids will mimic it leaving the lot, you obviously did not sit in the parking lot after a FNF movie let out. Remind me which day that is so I can avoid Brampton.
If they want this kind of show event, do it at a track. With proper marshalls, safety crews, and safty gear requirements and noise is not an issue. But not on a lot where noise complaints might ruin it for us all.

[Nissan Racer]

I think the hostility really comes from he fact that we all realize drifting is pretty gay, but are trying to rationalize our dislike...but really its just gay.

[andrew1984]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
I think the hostility really comes from he fact that we all realize drifting is pretty gay, but are trying to rationalize our dislike...but really its just gay.

oh boy, i hope the AWD guys dont see this ;)

[Taylor]

Our events are intended for and attended by competitors, this event is intended for spectators.

Our competitors know better when they leave, and how to conduct themselves there (in terms of litter and such), their event will have people in attendance that arn't aware of, understand, or care about how their actions effect whether the organizers get the lot again.

Corvette Club lost one Go station 2 years ago because some jagoff came by the event, and did some high-speed passes to show everyone how cool he was. Someone put two-and-two (unlinked things) together and bam, lot gone.

We (often) notify the police about our events. I suppose they may as well, but I'm doubting it. Hope they do. Perhaps that's all Brampton Centre need to do (if they feel they need to do anything), just request from the organizers to notify the police as per Solo 2. That could/should for the most part keep the unruly, ruly.

In the end our events have decades of organizational experience behind them. These guy's last event had what looks like 6 people at it. I don't get the impression they have the appropriate backing to handle the event should it become well attended. But that's just an impression from what I can see on a website.

I'd definately like to play around on a skidpad and learn some drifting, apparently I have a great car for it. But at a lot, across the street from some peoples homes... I'm concerned (as Keith says) the lack of differentiation. Brampton Centre is, for the most part in a residential area.

Hope the brampton centre understands the differences and separates us. I like that lot.

[Lafora]

if you guys think this drifting is "new"..think again.

that crazy cartoon's been around for at least 3 years..at least here in north america. i've seen it for sale in hong kong way back in 1996.

so if ppl were to get hurt from this, it woulda gradually started 3 years ago.

this won't turn your streets into the next deathtrap, maybe i don't see all this overreaction as necessary cuz one: i know better than to do this stuff even at an empty lot, and two: after having tried it on the pad, it doen'st really appeal to me for the time being.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
I think the hostility really comes from he fact that we all realize drifting is pretty gay, but are trying to rationalize our dislike...but really its just gay.

drifting isn't a form of motorsport like autoX is.

pound that into your head if you havne't done so already

no drifter thinks drifting is the faster way around the corner.
hell, even some of the pro D1 drivers drive GT300 and gT500 on the JGTC circuit as well.

but you gotta admit drifting is pretty amazing when it comes to a car control point of view.

look at what you're doing as Super G, and what these guys are doing as the moguls.

get off your high horse and just let other ppl have their 2 mins of fun for now ;)

[J.C.]

On the one hand I think it would be a good idea to go by and somehow promote solo II with flyers or something. On the other hand I am not sure if they would be intersted in actually competition. I understand why some people like it. It is different and gives the illusion of actually being fast. I think it would just be good if we could somehow comunicate to some of these people that it is a talent but it is not the fast way to do things, but rather just a bling bling way of doing things. I do prefer that they do this in a controlled environment but I can't see that Brampton lot being a good place for it. It is a little to public of a location. All the drifting events I have seen video of either take place on a race track or a walled in course.

P.S. Hey Tom that might be a good place to sell your car.

[Rob McAuley]

http://www.gorally.com/

[Marsh]

As much as I think drifting is lame (way to easy to make competitive IMO) I have to agree that I don't see a problem with it being organized. This thread reminds me of skiers that called snow boarders thugs and punks. Now I get called up tight and square, because I ski. The last thing we need is our sport getting a bad name because a few of us dissed another competition in open discussion.

You want this thing to die. Go out and hand these guys their ass at their own venue.

[rainman]

I don't see a problem with drifting events as a concept, but I do worry about complaints from residents. I could be wrong but I believe a few years back there was the MTO lot @ 401/Keele that was used for Solo 2 events. From what I heard there was always one person that lived about .25 km away that would complain about the squealing from the tires. Eventually no more events were held at that venue because of complaints.

I don't think the Brampton Centre should risk pissing off its neighbours. I know TMP hasn't done a good job recently of placating its local populace and look what's happened. I don't know how much noise drifting produces but I hope it's not enough to attract the wrong kind of attention.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Lafora
since when did you own the Brampton Centre? :rolleyes:

your argument saying that kids will start drifting around the streets after watching this drift exhibition doesn't hold that much water.


if anything, people against soloII could also say some dumb-ass would go tearing up the streets and clipping every apex on the streets after watching you autoXers go at it.

what is your name, and what do you drive?

i'd like to discuss this further in person

Dave T

[Brent]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
I think the hostility really comes from he fact that we all realize drifting is pretty gay, but are trying to rationalize our dislike...but really its just gay.

So how long have you been drifting?:D

[Dave]

BCS&E can rent out their lot to whoever they want for whatever sort of event they want. We have no control over this, so I don't know why anyone wants to stress out over it. I personally think drifting looks like a lot of fun and I'm not so sure why a bunch of motorsports enthusiasts are so fast to bash a new and rapidly growing discipline (in North America) that may actually turn out to be a really positive addition to the grassroots scene. Are we really so closed-minded and tribal that we need to start beating our drums and rounding up the troops to defend against this "gay" invader? To me, that attitude is just sad.

I hope the drifting competition goes well, is safely run, and is a big success. But if it isn't, I'm confident the management at BCS&E will hear about it and cease renting their lot for these kinds of events.

Anyway, I'll be there to watch and I'm pretty sure I'll have a smile on face more than once. And if the event is way to0 loud and way too dangerous, I'll communicate my concern to the management at BCS&E but doing so beforehand is unfair to the drifter guys and judgemental (and based on our assumptions about an event we've never seen).

Cheers,
Dave

[finboy]

Originally posted by jason_alt
Let them run it and see what happens.

Calling drifting gay or rice is ignorant.

Insinuating the lot as 'OURS' is arrogant.

Grow up and stop sulking in the sandbox.

Jason

OURS as in there were no motorsports prior to BAC holding the first event at their location

Lots are VERY hard to come by, its understood in the solo community, that if one club has "their" lot...

others should find their own venue

yes I'm an arrogant bitch

send me your home address, and i'll mail you a Halmark
with what I think of you


Dave t

[finboy]

Originally posted by roooo
Obviously the Brampton centre isn't worried about the noise, otherwise they would not have rented out the lot.

MSOC doesn't even throw events at Brampton centre so what's the problem?

Is it time to start locking in property owners to exclusive contracts for Solo 2 events?


some are missing the boat here..

Rowan, try to find a decent lot for solo II, then try to get a contract with them

it is very difficult.. try it...

it kills me how everyone things everything is so easy to do

the property managers are dumb.. one club get usage, and permission

runs a perfect event, keeps the place clean, is welcome back

sometime later, someone else wants to use the same venue for their puposes

****s it up, and the plug gets pulled for everyone


this is a solo motorsports forum

solo is what i'm talking about


dave t

[Lafora]

Originally posted by finboy
what is your name, and what do you drive?

i'd like to discuss this further in person

Dave T

i'm all up for that

see that PM button at the end of my post?

click it ;)

[Lafora]

Originally posted by finboy
Jason

OURS as in there were no motorsports prior to BAC holding the first event at their location

Lots are VERY hard to come by, its understood in the solo community, that if one club has "their" lot...

others should find their own venue

yes I'm an arrogant bitch

send me your home address, and i'll mail you a Halmark
with what I think of you


Dave t

so what, just cuz you got their first, you own the property now? and anyone who's trying to hold any type of motorsports have to go thru you?

dont make this sound like dogs takin a piss markin their own property :rolleyes:

and you're just ASSUMING they'll **** it up for you. how much do you know about this group? i doubt not much and i'm being generous w/ that estimation.

i'm sure if they **** it up, BAC won't let em come back..but to say that you guys will lose "your" lot cuz of them, well then you have some educating to do on your hands now don't ya ;)

[Dave]

I've been competing in Solo 2 since 1987 and I've seen venues come and I've seen venues go, both in the Ottawa area and in southern Ontario. I've tried to secure venues at McMaster University, York University, Mohawk College, Flamborough Casino, and so on. I know all too well how difficult it can be to find a good Solo 2 lot and how easy it is to lose one.

The reasons we "lose" lots are as varied and complicated as male pattern baldness and why women still find me sexually attractive despite it. With a government owned lot like the MOT lot we lost use of in Toronto, as you know we were dealing with a situation where there was a highrise apartment building right across the street filled with old folks. Given these circumstances, it's no surprise we lost the lot. The MOT is obviously going to be very reactive to public complaints because they're publically owned. It was just a matter of time before we lost that lot for Solo 2 use.

With privately owned parking lots like the Hershey Center, the Corel Center, and Brampton Center we're dealing with an entirely different kettle of fish. With these sorts of lots we're at the mercy of the owner(s) and manager(s), the strength of our personal and business relationships with them, the yearly financial situation of these businesses (and whether or not they really need the extra revenue we provide), and so on. The fact of the matter is, even though we may have opened up the possibilities of lot rental to businesses like th BCS&E, we have no claim to their lot and no right to tell them how to do business. In fact, attempting to do so may just alienate and anger them such that they won't want to do business with us anymore.

That being said, I understand that there is a sort of honour system within the Solo 2 community about not booking the lot used primarily by another club, but the drifter dudes aren't part of the Solo community and don't care if we think we "own" these lots. They're just trying to grow their sport and the BCS&E is just trying to make as much money as they can from their facility. Would you expect anything else?

Anyway, to me this thread is an over-reaction to a new and potentially interesting form of motorsport. I'm not prepared to lose any sleep over it until I see one of these events for myself.

Whatever, time for me to renew my Rogaine prescription...

Cheers,
Dave

[DareBee]

Dave (Finboy, Single Guy)

Your starting to get a little wild man!
Can I Fedex you some valium?

On another note.. Do you live (now) anywhere near RX7 Heaven?
I need the main shift control rod for inside my tranny.
Maybe you could bring to Sundays event.

[Dave]

Hey, here's a wacky idea. How about instead of trying to mark our turf we actually approach the Drift organizers and offer to help? If we actually get involved we could help ensure that these events don't compromise our interests in the parking lots we use for Solo 2 and we might even help foster some cross-mojonation, cross-polination with drift guys coming out to try Solo 2 and Solo 2 guys coming out to try drifting. I just don't understand all the negative energy here.

The SCCA had been trying for years to protect their turf in a typically conservative and close-minded way and in the meantime progressive and foward-thinking sanctioning bodies like NASA have been kickin' their ass because they aren't afraid to innovate, try new things, package their events in ways that appeal to a broader audience (including drift competitions) and so on. The SCCA fired their President and is retooling in a big way to try meeting the growingly diverse needs of their members (including drift competitions).

So as far as I can tell we can either choose to be like the old SCCA and go the way of the dinosaurs or we can behave like the new SCCA and NASA and actually look at new forms of motorsports like drifting as an opportunity to grow our clubs, grow our community, and grow our influence with businesses like the Brampton Center.

Hey, what's the name of that laser hair removal clinic anyway? My back is getting out of control!

Cheers,
Dave

[Taylor]

How exactly does one judge a drift competition anyhow?

Guess it's difficult to see it as a grassroots motorsport since it seems like showboating to me in the vein of a concourse....

But it does look like fun. Looks a little expensive on the tires too but maybe there's a way to treat them or something. I dunno.

Someone said something about drifting might start happening in the streets...

While it seems like a pretty dumb statement, I gotta say, if I was confident enough about drifting, there'd be little keeping me from doing it late at night on a road with no median. :)

Course I'm not driving to Shannonville to get on the skidpad for a day. So it would be cool if they could do a teaching day at a local venue.

But that still doesn't change that I hope BCSE sees a difference and if this event is poorly run, it doesn't translate over to us. Like any corporation/company. The contact for renting the lot might know the difference, but if their boss hears car group #2's event got a lot of complaints, might be little stopping the boss from cancelling all car group events.

I would be MUCH happier about it if it were at a different lot. But as Dave says, it's not *our* lot (though we do have more to loose than they do by not being reinvited). I think offering to assist might be a great idea. Dave: Sign me up for some of that.. err, wait...that's a Solo 1 weekend. Hrm. :/

[roooo]

I'll just say I'm with Pratte on this to avoid typing very much.

Yes, perhaps a Solo rep (one or more from SoloOntario or otherwise) should get in touch with the organizers of this Drift thingy to try and make sure everything's being looked after in a reasonable way .. and also to cover the asses of the Autocross consortium in the eyes of the venue management.

Oh but then again .. why would you want to help those "gay" drifters. All they do is work on their cars and try to have a little fun with them. That's so stupid. :o

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by roooo
I
Oh but then again .. why would you want to help those "gay" drifters. All they do is work on their cars and try to have a little fun with them. That's so stupid. :o

Ahh yes, drifting, the figure skating of the motorsports world.

[roooo]

I dunno .. with some of the Solo2 courses we've had this year it's a close call. Autocross is borderline "technical requirements". At least drifting is the main "long program" .. hehe

[Nissan Racer]

Uhhh, I'm assuming those are figure skating terms...In which case I think you need to watch some football, or soccer, or some other sport the French judges can't f*** us in.
:D

[Dave]

yeah, like there's no politics in Solo 2 :rolleyes: The pax factor IS a French judge as far as I can tell :p

[finboy]

then.. lets have all the solo II diehards show up,

volunteer to help out
and throw on some old rubber and join them

what's that saying....

if you can't beat them ... join them????

dave t

ps. on a side note, we've had the boys in blue show up at our local solo II events and hand out flyers, in the past, they even did a few runs.

afaik i've never heard of any police problems, in fact our ties have been excellent


earlier on in the month.. they attended darknights and ran out of ink!!

this event might not be advertised as much as DN

people thought they eat donuts... uh uhhh...

they eat rice every chance they see it.

sure I might be over protective of our sport, there's a ton of great people involved, wicked competition and its shit loads of fun

i'd just hate to see this venue lost....


dt

[finboy]

Originally posted by Lafora
i'm all up for that

see that PM button at the end of my post?

click it ;)

you have mail

:)

[Taylor]

Yeah you know Dave makes a very good point about the amount of "harrassment" that occurs surrounding Darknights, and DK style events vs the total lack at Solo 2's (with the exception of this years first COMP, which wasn't harassment, but it could have been, they did get called away mid-day).

But so far the police do seem to be able to differentiate (enough), not sure that would change because a drifting comp shows up at the same venue.

[gatherer]

well this was also brought up on the hada board and I think I'll contribute my comments here as well...

in terms of owners I see them confusing this event as being same type of thing as solo 2. I also think that after drifting the parking lot will have a bunch of rubber laid down on it (I've see some drift videos with the smoke and rubber that gets left behind) might not be good if they confuse the 2. therefore on the hada board (like I'm going to say here) I say we be proactive. I'm not saying we stop it or even attempt to do that. I think we should (as has been said here before) sit down with the owners of the brampton center and the event coordinators of the drifting event and educate the owners of the brampton center that we are in no way associated with each other and have them understand that we'd like an agreement that one event doesn't reflect for better or worse on the other event.

that said I wish I knew contact info for both the other parties, because I'd take action.

also I think it's great that they are taking it off the street. as for them trying to drift afterwards well I come to solo 2's to get my speed kick and for the week after I'm I nice calm driver because I got my need for speed fix. I think it might be much the same way with them.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Taylor
How exactly does one judge a drift competition anyhow?

Course I'm not driving to Shannonville to get on the skidpad for a day. So it would be cool if they could do a teaching day at a local venue.



AFAIK, they do plan to have the guys from japan as well as socal coming up here as instructors.

guess we'll have to see

[Taylor]

Lafora: I don't see anywhere on the website or the ad that there will be instruction though, just demonstration. :/

[Lafora]

that's what i was told by the guys running it.

and it's for the whole weekend if i recall correctly

highly doubt it'll just be exhibition runs for both days..cuz that'll get boring in a hurry ;)

[finboy]

http://www.woland.com/draft.wmv

http://203.174.70.181/actvod/yokohama/ad07mobara_b.wmv


http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift16.asf

http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift11.asf

http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift12.asf

http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift8.asf

http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift13.asf

http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift5.asf

http://videos.sdstreetracing.com/drift17.asf

[Taylor]

Gotta love the domain they're coming off of...

WHAT is with the Skyline ElCamino Homage? Uggggh.

Nice rubbing on the 180.. yikes... scary.

And that "draft" one.. WTH? How stupid are some of those people standing along side the track. Marshalls don't even do that. Nice to see they have some caution tape up.

I hope if this sort of thing grows here, it grows with some SAFETY behind it. I don't care if they rack their cars up, but plastic tape won't save anything. Ahh yes the door opening and dragginge behind it. It's SOOOOO grassroots...

Ahh and the female pylons.. niiiice. *shakes head* No different than Jackass I guess, but at least with jackass theres no spectators and they're not hanging half out of 3000lb cars. Oi.

But hey if the event is safe, well organized and people behave themselves, I personally don't care what they're doing. They could be knitting socks while doing burnouts for all I care. Anything else gives all form of amateur motorsport/demonstrations/whatever a bad name.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind doing one of those gymkhana(sp) or something. Looks challenging, another form of AutoX.

Anything else looks like showboating. (and that's probably beause it is)

[CobraStang]

Drifting is mentioned in an article in Inside Track News, 2003 Speedway Guide edition, entitled "Street Smart". The article encourages parents to bring their "hormone-mad" teens to the track where they can learn advanced driving skills in a legal venue. The idea is to satisfy the speed lust in a safe manner.

The article promotes Solo 1 and Solo 2 as "the ultimate entry-level motorsports". (Yeah! Solo 1 is soooo cool!)

I quote: "On a track, he can test the limits of his vehicle in rain or shine, learning the best cornering techniques, THE ART OF DRIFTING, optimal braking and more."

I don't remember getting any drifting instruction when I took the Solo 1 school in May? Or was that what we were doing on the skid pad?

Russ

[Taylor]

In all fairness, I don't think the crowd drifting appeals to is reading inside track. HOWEVER, Inside Track has a sister publication, Sport Compact National. THAT publication is where that info should be in. Same with the Solo stuff.

Someone isn't thinking clearly.

[finboy]

drifting started way before japan....

in canada after the first snow fall... i'm sure a "few" folks have ventured into parking lots late at night or somewhere in the sticks

and did their share of bagels, donuts, j turns etc......

usually when people do it.. no ones around, no spectators nothing...

just you and your moms oldsmobile, having a few cheap thrills

drifting in my opnion, isn't that difficult to do...

driving around with the back end hanging out, 99.9 percent of the time is the slow way around, yes it looks good and its fun to
drive but....

that's it....

the cars in the drifitng videos are super hyped cars....

yes its fun, but its all about showmanship

the jappers are crazy... some even dye their hair come crazy ass colours just cause their bored

have you seen any of their game shows??? the ones on tv over here are nothing.....

having those girls stand in as pylons was just dumb

for those who gave it a thumbs up, and thought it was totally kewl

entertaining... yes, but kewl??

you better start a fonzie club

Jason, along with the Halmark and the 12 krispy kremes, i'm sending you, please fill out the I want to be like the Fonz membership card.

they're looking for people like you


Dave t

[ctenche]

Dave, you crack me up guy :)

Hey I wanna be a member of the Fonzie club too! I used to watch Happy Days every day after school. That along with Gilligan's Island and Laverne & Shirley.

If being a member of the Fonzie club is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

[finboy]

Originally posted by ctenche
Dave, you crack me up guy :)

Hey I wanna be a member of the Fonzie club too! I used to watch Happy Days every day after school. That along with Gilligan's Island and Laverne & Shirley.

If being a member of the Fonzie club is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

ok... i'll get Taylor to run off a batch of THE FONZ decals

if you can help me hand them out to all the potzie *****s out there

:)

dave t

[finboy]

btw.. I did ask DRIFTNATION to reply with some input


someone from their crew has signed up on OUR board

on his profile.. his name's Ralph M something


dave t

just kidding about the Ralph Malph thing...

but I did ask him to reply to the tread for some input

[finboy]

http://public.nelson-atkins.org/hos...o/trayslide.wmv

[Robv]

Any of you guys ever thought about this:
Drifting is done with rear drive cars (or AWD), 99% of the *****s drive fwd cars....... you can only hold your handbrake for so long.....

Using the show-off video to set an example for drifting is the same as showing the F&F to show an example for the solo sport.

Rob.

[Lafora]

some people will use anything to try to sway other people's opinion to their favour ;)

but those who better, usually just take that as a joke, and carry on

[finboy]

Originally posted by Robv


Using the show-off video to set an example for drifting is the same as showing the F&F to show an example for the solo sport.

Rob.

:confused: aren't all the drifting videos pretty much the same??

Rob, please post any video you have with regards to drifting

I would like to see YOUR idea of what the drifting scene is all about then

its all the same poo.

just like porn.. its all the same..

just like a ninja movie its all the same..

just like every threes a company show.. its all the same

just like friday the 13th III though VII... its all the same


oh and fast and the furious was a fantastic movie!!!!

and i don't quite see the relationship with solo motorsports



what's your point Rob?


dave t

[andrew1984]

so the general idea of drifting is kinda like.... chrome wheels.

bling bling.

[DriftNation]

What's up guys. There are a lot of questions and concerns you guys have about drifting and our organization. I'll try to answer as much as I can without blabbing on too long :)

First of all, we are here to promote this exciting form of motorsports. It's new here in Canada but it is growing strong in the US. Once you fully understand the skill involved in drifting properly you can really appreciate this sport!

We are not here to cause trouble:) People that come to the events to drift do not drive off sliding around. We are trying to promote the idea of not practicing drifting on the streets. It's very dangerous and will create a bad image for all of us. A lot of people think powersliding is drifting. Once they actually see a skilled drift they are very impressed as it requires a huge amount of skill.

We would really love to work together with the Solo organizations and promote all forms of motosports. We are actually in the talks with the CASC in becoming a member with this organization.

It will be a very organized event, with safety staff, marshals, crowd control barriers etc.... We want to make this a fun and safe event for everyone! This September event is taking place in order to show people how exciting and skillfull professional drifting is.

Actually I'd love to meet up with some of you guys and discuss future plans for collaboration. If any of you guys are interested in drifting we will be looking for instructors in the future. And who better than people like you who already have the basic understanding of car control.

Check out organizations such as [b]Drift Association LLC (www.driftday.com) and GODRIFT (www.godrift.com)[B/] to get an idea of what we are building towards. These are organizations are actually run by SCCA and SOLO guys. Some of them are also SCCA champions. We are actually working closely with them to develope drifting in Canada.

We are a small organization at the moment. It's tough but we have a dream that we are working towards.

Feel free to ask any questions or voice any other concerns.

It's all about working on your car and having fun!

[ctheo]

just like porn.. its all the same..

:confused: You guys are so up in arms about drifting, you almost overlooked a crisis that a member from within our own community is facing!

Every one send Dave some pron links STAT! The boy is lost.

[Dave]

Drift Nation, I for one would certainly enjoy the opportunity to sit down with you and learn more about your organization. I'm the president of the HADA Motorsport Club, a CASC-affiliated Honda/Acura club that hosts lapping, Solo 1 and Solo 2 events, and if nothing else I'd be happy to share ideas and experiences with you and your organization. Not too many of our members drive RWD cars that are appropriate for drifting, but if we can help you build your organization into something that promotes grassroots motorsports on a whole I'm confident it will be good for all of us.

Please feel free to contact me at dpratte4@cogeco.ca or 905-304-9258.

Cheers,
Dave

[Christian Sorensen]

Whilst consoling myself with pints of Rickards last Saturday night in Belleville (it was the DAC Regional Race weekend at Shannonville) CASC-OR Prez John Bondar gave me a heads-up that he was approached by someone from DriftNation about CASC-OR affiliation.

Keep in mind that the CASC-OR exists as an association of clubs interested in maintaining affiliation with the international governing body of motorsport, the FIA.

The ASN Canada FIA has been delegated by the FIA to act as the "sporting authority" to govern amateur and professional motorsport in Canada.

This stuff is on the ASN site at http://www.asncanada.com/about/index.html and basically explains that the delegated authority involves rules-making, dispute resolution, insurance, and competitor plus officials licencing.

There is nothing inherently evil about drifting that would prevent the sport from having the regulations, safety standards and appropriate licencing that would allow their events to be sanctioned and insured by us.

The Drift Association LLC website spells out in a great deal of detail the expected safety precautions and standards (such as helmets) required.

In fact, I rather like drifting. If my racing and solo gigs continue turning in ever-sharpening circles I'll have to 'turn' to the skidpad to get my jollies. Just call me 'Wildbai'.

Where the rubber meets the road here concerns exactly what safety standards and precautions will be that are necessary to satisfy the ASN Canada FIA directors and their insurance underwriters.

As it happens, I am the Ontario representative on the ASN Solosport Committee and have committed to helping draft a set of nationally-applicable safety standards and guidelines for Solo 1, Solo 2, DE and lapping events. I am more than willing to add provisions for drifting events but will need some help!

Email me at sorensen@actionfront.com with specific suggestions and we can get dialog with the ASN Canada FIA started.

[MastaDeeMon]

Originally posted by Dave
BCS&E can rent out their lot to whoever they want for whatever sort of event they want. We have no control over this, so I don't know why anyone wants to stress out over it. I personally think drifting looks like a lot of fun and I'm not so sure why a bunch of motorsports enthusiasts are so fast to bash a new and rapidly growing discipline (in North America) that may actually turn out to be a really positive addition to the grassroots scene. Are we really so closed-minded and tribal that we need to start beating our drums and rounding up the troops to defend against this "gay" invader? To me, that attitude is just sad.

I hope the drifting competition goes well, is safely run, and is a big success. But if it isn't, I'm confident the management at BCS&E will hear about it and cease renting their lot for these kinds of events.

Anyway, I'll be there to watch and I'm pretty sure I'll have a smile on face more than once. And if the event is way to0 loud and way too dangerous, I'll communicate my concern to the management at BCS&E but doing so beforehand is unfair to the drifter guys and judgemental (and based on our assumptions about an event we've never seen).

Cheers,
Dave

Amen brutha!!!!!!!! You hit the nail on the head Dave. I personally love drifting(and AutoX, road race, drag racing, etc.) and welcome it with open arms. I can't wait, and if I have a RWD or AWD car ready, I'll be competing. Calling it "gay" is gay.

Darren

[Taylor]

Once they actually see a skilled drift they are very impressed as it requires a huge amount of skill.

You wanna know what requires huge skill?

MY FTD TODAY... JEEEEYAAAAAH

*ahem* Sorry, I just had to sneak that in somewhere.

Modest ain't I? :P

Yeah looking forward to getting the mid-engined beastie out there.. course with my alignment, I think I have to be doing 100 to get the car to slide. :) Maybe some bald all seasons'll work. :)

[Lafora]

nah man..

just slide @ 100 :D

[craig]

Well, I just signed up for their drifting school at Shannonville. :D

[Dave]

Craig: nice! If I had the right car for it, I'd be out there with you. I'm sure you'll learn a lot about car control and the limits of adhesion. I don't think my Civic is much of a drift machine though :mad:

[finboy]

Originally posted by Dave
Craig: nice! If I had the right car for it, I'd be out there with you. I'm sure you'll learn a lot about car control and the limits of adhesion. I don't think my Civic is much of a drift machine though :mad:

borrow some trays!!

:D

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by MastaDeeMon
Amen brutha!!!!!!!! You hit the nail on the head Dave. I personally love drifting(and AutoX, road race, drag racing, etc.) and welcome it with open arms. I can't wait, and if I have a RWD or AWD car ready, I'll be competing. Calling it "gay" is gay.

Darren
No, its just my opinion, I'm glad to see them affiliating with CASC. But I still think its pretty gay. Similar to how I think drag racing is pretty boring. Just my opinion.

[MastaDeeMon]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
No, its just my opinion, I'm glad to see them affiliating with CASC. But I still think its pretty gay. Similar to how I think drag racing is pretty boring. Just my opinion.

Why would you give a crap if they affiliate with anybody? If you think it's "gay", why would that matter. And thanks for your opinion on Drag racing, you have shown more proof that you are a closed-minded person. In my mind, motorsports are fun, fast cars are fun, closed minds are not fun. Just my opinion. :rolleyes:

D.

[craig]

I don't think my Civic is much of a drift machine though

Oh c'mon. It is amazing what one can do with a handbrake. :D

At MCO's regional race weekend, some drifters rented Nelson Saturday night. Highly entertaining. Most of them were in Civics.

[Dave]

Craig, maybe I could try drifting my Civic, but having driven a few camaros and corvettes in my day I doubt drifting in my little FWD hatchcrap isn't going to tickle my powersliding tailwagging funny bone much :p Now, if I could borrow the Voytechco RX-7 then we'd be onto something!

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by MastaDeeMon
Why would you give a crap if they affiliate with anybody? If you think it's "gay", why would that matter. And thanks for your opinion on Drag racing, you have shown more proof that you are a closed-minded person. In my mind, motorsports are fun, fast cars are fun, closed minds are not fun. Just my opinion. :rolleyes:

D.
Well I'm not about to apoogize for my opinions and if you can't handle honesty, thats too bad, at least I have the stones to say what I feel instead of being a sheep and following the crowd, I think that is far more openminded than you. You seem very easily angered by others who don't think the same as you do, maybe you have issues, I don't know.
I went and watched the PACER event at Mosport yesterday, while I found the racing boring (I went over after and watched the Porsche club event on the DDT and it was definitly more interesting), I support PACERs activities. Thats being openminded. Even though I don't like the racing, I still supported it...Think you have the character to do somthing like that???

[Taylor]

Yikes.. I think this thread may be getting a little out of hand.

[Dave]

Seriously guys, lets put this to bed! It's great to see how passionate some people are in this community, and I understand that it's this passion that fuels some of the bickering, but I know we'd all speak a lot more considerately to each other if we were doing this around a table or at a Solo event. We all know each other, so lets keep the jabs above the belt. I don't want to have to throw on a cup every time I log on ;)

Cheers,
Dave

[Nissan Racer]

Yes, I see little need for personal attacks over opinions expressed on an open forum. But I will defend myself, and my opinions.
I do find it amusing that other than Marsh, I am the only one to come out and say I just don't like it, or think its lame, I'm not saying they can't do it (as long as they meet and maintain the same safety and noise guidelines that the rest of us must meet)...just that I'm not interested, same as my expressed disinterest in drag racing. I'm not sure why this angers people. Its what 'I' think. If everybody were to think the same and agree on everything, what a sad, small world we would live in.
I'd like to see DriftNation affiliate with CASC, I think it would benefit both groups. I'd even volunteer to help out at an event at a track if they needed it, once they are affiliated.
I can appreciate the concerns over complaints rising from noise levels and how it may affect Solo II on those lots...on the other hand, if no complaints arise, we know it will be a safe bet that Solo II will be able to use that lot far into the future.

[MastaDeeMon]

I agree, we all have our opinions, and you did not offend me by expressing them. I am just tired of the large group of people I meet that only support 1 or 2 types of racing. My point was that fast cars are a great deal of fun, and hangin' the tail out in a controlled environment looks like a good time. I don't think I personnally attacked you Nissan Racer, I apologize if you think I did. You're asking if I would attend the PACER races? sure I would, if I hadn't been competing in a Solo2. I like racing, all types, and try my best to support it anyway I can. Still think I'm close-minded? I've road-raced vintage motorcycles, been involved in on and off road R/C cars, participated in the import drag series with a car I built, I do as many solo 2 events as I can, and I hope to start into Solo 1 next year. If I get my AWD Talon going, I'll be drifting it too. I attended the vintage car festival at Mosport and I go to cruise nights(muscle cars) when I get the chance. I LOVE racing......you assuming I wouldn't attend a race involving PACER is wrong. That offends me. I will put my gloves down, and pick my helmet up........I've got some racing to do.

D.

[Nissan Racer]

Once again you missed the point, I don't care if you attend PACER events or not...it really does not matter to me. (I'm still laughing that you thought that, that was what my post was about). But would you go to something that you don't like or aren't interested in? I went because I believe what they are doing is good for all of us...even if the racing is dull.
I don't find you closed minded because you love all forms of motorsports, if you do, great! I don't, and to call me closed minded because I don't seems rather small of you. I think you have a narrow vision, in that you believe all people who like one form of racing must automatically like all racing. I find some dull, and some just strike me as dumb.
To be honest, I'm not all that interested in Solo II either, its been fun and I've met some great people, but I really like driving a road course..on a proper track. I have been involved in Solo II because its a great learning tool. But I want to move on to Solo I and hopefully one day to regional racing.
I like watching Rally, I like F1, I like Cart and Touring car.
I could care less about NASCAR, drag, IRL, and now Drifting. And you know what? I don't have to like them. If you do, fine...just don't assume that I must too.

[ice/solo racer]

As the owner of an AE86 drift machine I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring.I realize that drifting for show isn't really racing BUT the high speed circuit drifting video's I've seen are bloody amazing.The skill level to perform these huge drifts,I'm not only talking the powersliding but also the extreme snap oversteer into the powerslide all perfectly executed is most impressive indeed.
Will drifting in a parking lot be the same-not a chance IMO,I think the drift show should be held on a track but not because of a pissing contest with solo 2 regulars.Simply because thats where drifting should be held.
Nissan racer you should go for a ride in an ice racer with an experienced driver-if you still think drifting is gay after that then you win and drifting will be deemed gay.

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
As the owner of an AE86 drift machine I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring.I realize that drifting for show isn't really racing BUT the high speed circuit drifting video's I've seen are bloody amazing.The skill level to perform these huge drifts,I'm not only talking the powersliding but also the extreme snap oversteer into the powerslide all perfectly executed is most impressive indeed.
Will drifting in a parking lot be the same-not a chance IMO,I think the drift show should be held on a track but not because of a pissing contest with solo 2 regulars.Simply because thats where drifting should be held.
Nissan racer you should go for a ride in an ice racer with an experienced driver-if you still think drifting is gay after that then you win and drifting will be deemed gay.
Apples and oranges big guy. In Ice racing and rally for that matter, corners have to be drifted...because there is no traction. Its the only way to maintain momentum. Drifting, for show, doesn't interest me in the least. But I will likely see you on the track this winter :D
BTW, I picked the word "gay" very carefully before I posted. I knew if I used words like "lame" or "dumb" as others have, the post would largely be ignored...actually the point of the origional post was to point out that many of the "anti" drifting posters were coming up with all kinds of rationals, as to why drifting should not be allowed, but none came out and just said that they didn't like it. I did, and by using the word "gay" I have been the most quoted poster on this thread, thanks guys!!! :D
I am always amazed at how easily some can be baited on threads like these. Marsh used the word "lame" and no-one noticed. I used the word "gay" and everyone freaked...you guys are too easy!! :D

[ice/solo racer]

So you never went out in a snow storm(at night of course) and just drifted around for fun Pat?I still do every chance I get.Doesn't matter to me what I'm driving whether its a rear drive truck,front drive civic or my old awd tubo talon-I just love the challenge of controlling a vehicle on the edge at any speed.
So on that train of thought maybe you could see drifting as fun?I'm not trying to convince you that you have like it,just that from a driving aspect drifting should be a fun thing to do.Forget that yes drifting is slower than gripping,but being fast isn't always a fun way to drive.Honestly I haven't REALLY enjoyed the driving aspect of solo 2 for quite awhile,don't get me wrong I enjoy the sport,the people and the challenge of pushing myself,I just don't get out after a run and say boy that was fun.
My first solo 1 was the pro track at shannonville with you and Robb in the rain,THAT was fun driving-I had a smile all day despite spending nearly 4 hours standing in the rain marshalling.
I'm considering bolting some all seasons on the back of the corolla and giving it a try,besides I heard the signal twins(cars,not sisters) and Chunky Bai are to be there!
BTW I also find most nascar(except road course)races boring,same with most open wheel stuff(hell despite the insane speeds even F1 is boring to me)

[soloZ]

I agree with Tom about the snow, I have gone out for the last five years with my first car (85 Celica RWD) and my new car(97 Z24) and just through the car around and see if I can make it look like a Tall pine rally slide or something completly different. I have learn some good car control lessons as well like left foot braking (works good with ABS off) and hehe Hand brake turns aswell as forcing the bake end out with out using the brakes or hand brake to make oversteer or see how fast I can go with out plowing or understeering. Now with the RWD celica it was different but still alot of fun sliding everywhere makes a better driver in my eyes.

Oh well I think that should just about reck this thread happy reading hehehe

[Nissan Racer]

Have I gone out in the snow after a fresh snowfall? Yes. For fun, no not really, I'd rather stay inside when its cold. But I do it to learn emergence handling in bad conditions...same reason I will Ice race this year...not because I think I'll really enjoy it, but because I think I will learn from it.

[Chris P]

Your really missing out on the winter wonderland then. Some of the stuff i did this winter may be the most fun i've had behind the wheel in a long time............well not really but i like doing it because it keeps me practiced up for when racing begins. Throwing my Vdub Golf with Blizzaks on the front and bald all seasons on the rear at 3am is sweet. Nobody on the roads and you can really do some high speed stuff. Ever pull the handbrake at over 100km/h on a snowy twisty one lane off ramp and holding a drift for wellll...........a pretty freckin long time? Its all about learning car control. Making the car do what you want it to do, doing quick transitions and having complete control is a pretty cool feeling. The winter is the best time of the year for driving on the street since you get to do stuff and stay below the speed limit. Its actually challanging.

When racing Netkar around the Full nerumberg ring i can go out and try to get every apex perfect and set some kinda awsome time.......sub 9 minuits in a 360 Modena but i find it far more entertaining to get the car sliding around the track and be on the very very edge, the point where you have no clue if your gonna make it or not. Kinda a mix between driving outright fast and drifting, just do what feels good. That is the funest type of driving IMO.

Hmmm, too bad i don't have a 360 modena to try that with in real life. :p

[JoeT]

Aaaaarrrrghhhhh.... Didn't want to post...... Aaaaaarrrghhh...

Drifting = Fun.....
(but not at the Brampton Sports and Entertainment Complex) Where areas of the pavement will be permanently scored and maked up and ridged from burnouts and constant tire spinning.

I just hope that we're not made guilty by association... Not all car guys are created equal.

Read the "Driftnation" sponsorship package, it's interesting who their target market is.

18 - 28
35K Income Bracket and Above
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Solo 1 and Solo 2 Competitors

Read their literature and check out the captions... It's quite entertaining.

My .02

If you want a copy to view, visit Japanese Auto on Bridgeland, he has it on the counter.

UGH..

[miataboi]

I'll chime in... but try not to pizz-off any of the "established" members of this sport who have paid there dues...

:rolleyes:

I don't think it's the best thing since sliced bread....

BUT...

IF there are concerns about this event at a venue that "we" use...

Why don't the organizers of OUR clubs... pre-emptively speak to the Brampton Centre and make it clear that we are NOT affiliated with them AT ALL!!!!!

Make sense?

Now let's get back to the personal attacks and sexual-preference-labeling of various sports...

(There... I didn't tell anyone what they could or couldn't think!!!! - I didn't trash anyone else's opinion...!!!! WOO-HOO!!!!)



P.S.
I went for a blast in a 5.0 Mustang studded car up at Minden...

OMMFG!
Talk about seeming to defy physics!!!!

[Dave]

FYI, Christian and I met with Alberto and Edward from DriftNation at the CASC office yesterday to chat with them about their organization.

I have to say, these guys are very serious about what they're doing and are taking all the right steps so far to do it legitimately, smartly, and safely. Alberto has spent quite a bit of time out in California with the Drift Association and has trained with them.

They are bringing in two professional D1 drift teams from Japan for their Brampton Center event and there's at least a couple of pro teams from California coming up too. I think this speaks to their level of commitment and how well they've networked with the right people in the drift world so far.

In terms of safety, they are looking into renting concrete barriers to block off all entrances to the lot and even potentially surround the lot so that nobody can wander onto the course. They'll also be using, at a very minimum, the caution tape method we use at our Solo 2 events for crowd control. Based on our discussions with them, they will certainly meet if not significantly exceed the safety standards at our events.

I should also point out that I believe there's a good chance DriftNation will become a CASC-affiliated organization by 2004, so they will (at that point) have to meet all the same safety regulations we meet so that they can be insured and such.

Because drifting is so new in Canada, they will be starting small with events at venues like the skidpad at Shannonville and the lot at the Brampton Center. However, as the skill level of local drifters increases, they hope to step up to drifting on tracks like Cayuga where the corners are flat and wide.

Alberto assured us at the meeting that they will be posting more details on their website soon with regards to event rules, judging, course design, etc., so check their site or drop them an e-mail if you've got questions or concerns. They really are very nice guys, very easy to talk to, and very willing to engage in discussions about their hobby.

Cheers,
Dave

[finboy]

actually there's this big ass wing I liked... and wanted to bolt on my car..

cheap ass all seasons are easier on the wallet than Rcomps

maybe there is some good here


keep us informed dave p

[ice/solo racer]

Pat for a guy that spends alot of time and money to race alot of events a year and now to get into an ice race car you don't sound like you have the passion for it.
My car's have all had heaters so I can drift around for hours in perfect comfort,just don't pile into a snow bank and have to walk for help!;)

Tom Prentice sure gets around Minden in a hurry in that 5.0ltr doesn't he miataboi.When I heard of the rule change to allow unlimited engine size for rwd studd cars and that big Tom was building a 5.0 I said it'll suck on ice-boy did he prove me wrong!.
This winter should be interesting as rumour has it a couple of subes are being prepared with over 300 hp,glad I don't run that class.

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Pat for a guy that spends alot of time and money to race alot of events a year and now to get into an ice race car you don't sound like you have the passion for it.
You are right...and wrong.
I have a passion, but its not for cars. I love competition and learning. To me the car is just a tool. It's needed to get the job done, thats it. To race on a track, you need a car. You need to learn how to drive it and how to set it up. I'll do whatever it takes to learn that, whether I like it or not. But no, I have no passion for cars, never have.
It was the same when I am shooting competitively. I have no real love for guns either...again, it is just a tool. I love to compete, so I learned to shoot. I did whatever it took. I was, and still am one of the top shooters in Canada and have represented Canada at international events. I have consistantly placed in the top 5 at the Nationals each year I have competed there and won the Ontario Provincial Championships. I am one of only a handful of Canadians to attain a Master classification in the U.S. And yet, I could care less about guns...I just want to compete.
So it is with cars. I will learn to drive them and I will learn how to set them up for the track. But I don't have to have a passion for cars to do that.

[miataboi]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
You are right...and wrong.

It was the same when I am shooting competitively. I have no real love for guns either...again, it is just a tool. I love to compete, so I learned to shoot. I did whatever it took. I was, and still am one of the top shooters in Canada and have represented Canada at international events. I have consistantly placed in the top 5 at the Nationals each year I have competed there and won the Ontario Provincial Championships. I am one of only a handful of Canadians to attain a Master classification in the U.S.

...is that a threat??? ;) :p

I know who NOT to piss off!!! :D ;)

JJ.

[Dave]

why am I picturing Pat in a bell tower somewhere trying to pick off street racers with his sniper rifle and night vision goggles? :p

[Chris P]

why do i see Adam at his side? :D

[Nissan Racer]

Actually, I'd probably get less jail time if I got drunk and ran them down with my car :D

[J.C.]

Now thats very sad because it is probably true. Our legal system does need some revising :(

[Dave]

LOL! Pat, that's so true...time to hit the liquor store instead of the ammunition depot ;)

[ice/solo racer]

Pat I didn't really mean a passion for the car,kinda meant passion about driving them.
I love cars,I can get very attached to one(or a hundred for that matter)but the attachment isn't as much about the car itself as it is about what its like to drive/how I feel driving it.You know what I mean?
I'm not knocking you at all,like you I like to compete to compare myself to others,but more importantly its about the driving experience.
Ever since I received my first snowmobile at age 4 untill now I've always enjoyed being in control of a machine and just twisting the throttle because I like the sound,feeling and even the emotion that doing that can bring.
And thats why I love going out on a snowy night(freezing rain is even better,love that stuff!)and simply enjoy driving around and having fun--and thats why I think I'll take the corolla to the drift day,I simply want to enjoy driving.


P.S. I didn't know you were such a marksman,my cousin was a sharpshooter/trainer for the army for years and years.

[Dave]

If I had the cash I'd buy Tom's car and become a drift king! I love the feeling of sliding a car around, steering with the throttle, and all that good stuff. I used to have more than a little fun taking the family RWD station wagon around the neighbourhood on a snowy night back in Ottawa and drifting around corners for hours. I even snuck my dad's corvette out once or twice in the summer and did a little dry pavement drifting, not to mention Solo 2'ing the beast with him. Someday I will have a supercharged S2000 for a Solo 2 and drift car :)

[ice/solo racer]

Hey Dave I'll trade the corolla for your civic!
Better yet the comptech supercharged S2000 is a bunch sweeter,too bad I can't afford either and the baby seat won't fit!:)

[Dave]

hehe...I can't part with my Civic, we've been through too much together! But when I win the lottery I will have that supercharged S2000...oh yes, I will! Hrm, actually maybe I'll go for a turbocharged NSX at that point :p

[ice/solo racer]

Either way I'd be begging you to let me make a fun run in it!

[ADAM]

drift has been around for years..its not a threat..and does take skill...

most of our 240sx club is in drift

[finboy]

just when I thought the drift crowd was OK with taking it to the
track


http://www.japanese-auto.com/drift_schedule.html

[Tony Kloosterma]

last years schedule???????

[Doug P]

Holy crap, talk about bring back a dead thead!

[gatherer]

could explain on the tire marks that were all over that lot ....

but yeah this is such an old thread...

I find the list of instructor's qualifications interesting looks like people are trying to bridge the gap

http://www.japanese-auto.com/drift.html

[101rs]

the tire marks were actully from a Dodge(srt 10, srt 4 ex.) demo event.

[gatherer]

yes I know but there were other times before that ...

on a side note I think that Dodge event did the most damage.

[JoeT]

Those events never happened. They were shut down before it started. So don't panick, no one wants to take your venue away from you.

How much did it cost to build Hershey Center anyway? Did you go in as a consortium or as a single private venture... Must have cost lots to build.. :D

All kidding aside, they never happened, so those tire marks are all from the following events:

Chrysler Ride and Drive event during the Magnum introduction (Same that happened this week at Ontario Place)
Police driving challenge
MSOC PITL Events
1 SPDA Driving School (last year)

Are we finished panicking yet?

[13inches]

TFBM also runs solo2 events at the Hershey Centre.....

I wonder why they don't advertise to the solo2 community?? Kinda like the BMW club I guess....

http://www.tfbm.org/events/ptsevents.html

:confused:

[Doug P]

Originally posted by 13inches
TFBM also runs solo2 events at the Hershey Centre.....

I wonder why they don't advertise to the solo2 community?? Kinda like the BMW club I guess....

http://www.tfbm.org/events/ptsevents.html

:confused:

They are still trying to get things going and although others are welcome the PAX and classes are for F-Bodies only. Last year thee was only about 20-25 cars, all day and 4-5 runs. Timing system is still getting going also.

Planning on trading up?:D

[miataboi]

Originally posted by Doug Phillips
They are still trying to get things going and although others are welcome the PAX and classes are for F-Bodies only. Last year thee was only about 20-25 cars, all day and 4-5 runs. Timing system is still getting going also.

Planning on trading up?:D

That lot is the PERFECT F-Body lot!!!
:rolleyes:

[Doug P]

Originally posted by miataboi
That lot is the PERFECT F-Body lot!!!
:rolleyes:

Not!

To many islands.

[Marsh]

Originally posted by Doug Phillips
I wonder why they don't advertise to the solo2 community?? Kinda like the BMW club I guess....

For the same reasons most the F-bodies stopped doing regionals... :D

Well except for Doug, too bad you didn't have R's under the old rules.

[finboy]

Originally posted by Doug Phillips
Holy crap, talk about bring back a dead thead!



sorry guys...


last years dates



me bad

[Doug P]

Originally posted by Marsh
For the same reasons most the F-bodies stopped doing regionals... :D

Well except for Doug, too bad you didn't have R's under the old rules.

Don't forget the big rubber tire smoking maniac Ben Firechicken.

Most of the guys like to drag or shine the cars. Lots of mods but many are not used. Elie and George stick to lapping.

I don't think I saw Barry last year.

Unfortunately I was not able to run the full series last year. This year may be the same but I will be out for at least a few.

[Greg F]

If I showed up in a Mustang, would I be allowed to play?

[13inches]

You can show up in anything and play.......at least that's what the organizer told me when i emailed him.

The first event is by invite only. Doug, you invited anyone yet? :)

[max attack]

I assume its the drift school your thinking on showing up with the mustang Greg?.Driftnation.com will have a full schedule of schools posted soon,1st school should be in april.
If its not the drift thing then somebody fill me in please,damn year old threads make it tought to follow at times no?.

[Doug P]

Originally posted by 13inches
You can show up in anything and play.......at least that's what the organizer told me when i emailed him.

The first event is by invite only. Doug, you invited anyone yet? :)

Ryan consider yourself invited but be warned. It makes a long day with an hour lunch break when there are only 25 cars getting 5 sets.

Ben and I duked it out lasy year with only 1 other car running r-compound. Apparently some guys have now bought some V710 to give us a run. I go because it is a club thing and other f-bodies that you don't see at any solo 2 events. For others you might have a better time at other clubs.

[Greg F]

Doug, it just seems like an easy FTD for us! That's why we're interested in coming. :p

Max, I'm not sure what car I'm running this year. I just got off the phone with a guy who's kinda making me think about going 1st gen RX-7 with 250hp. Drifting does sound nice though, and I may try it this year.

[Marsh]

Originally posted by Doug Phillips
Don't forget the big rubber tire smoking maniac Ben Firechicken.

Most of the guys like to drag or shine the cars. Lots of mods but many are not used. Elie and George stick to lapping.

I don't think I saw Barry last year.

Unfortunately I was not able to run the full series last year. This year may be the same but I will be out for at least a few.

The Prelude club is the same. A few guys do regular lapping, but most are into show. A few guys do the occasionsal club event, but I haven't crossed paths with more tha 2 of them in 2 or 3 years.

[max attack]

Sounds good Greg,yeah you should try one of the drift schools.I did one at the mosport skid pad and it was ok but the last one used sections of nelson at shannonville-way more entertaining for sure!:D (nice for me to win the little drift comp at the end of the day-all the drifting that 115hp could produce;) )

[DareBee]

Greg

You don't need that much HP to drift with a first gen.
My buddy has a gorgous '79. His last rebuild took hime 7 years.
You wouldn't recognise it as a 79 because of later years front and rear clips.
His car is completly stripped (I think he has something like 7 wires in the harness), still has interior and stereo but nothing else unless it is essential.
Motor is a '74 4-port (not been touched internally) has RB header and full RB exhaust, RB intake and dellorto side draft carb (he wouldn't use Dellorto again).

He ran a 14.1 at Grand Bend using 205-60-13 Yok 008G tires that I bought new in '89. Needless to say he got very little traction.
Weight of the car is between 2000 - 2200#

Throw hi-comp rebuild and peri-port on this for a smokin fast car. Oh yeah dont farget a light weight fly and high grip clutch.

[Carguy]

Originally posted by ADAM
drift has been around for years..its not a threat..and does take skill...

most of our 240sx club is in drift

Yeah, I get funny reactions from the 240 guys when I say I'm prepping my 240 for Solo 1... :p

[Carguy]

Having said that I get my drifing thrills in the winter - at the local slush n' slide. :) But for me nothing beats grip in a competition event at the track, period.

I say let the drift boys have their fun, just like we expect that others will let us have our fun. Dave did the right thing in meeting with the DriftNation guys and getting to know them (they got to know us too in the process). The fact that safety for their events meet or exceed Solo 2 (and Solo 1?) standards shows that their organizers are headed in the right direction. Speaking with the Brampton Center management ahead of time to avoid any possible misunderstanding or simply to present a common front is also a good step.

I think it will be a good thing to have the Drift Nation guys as part of CASC-OR. This should further ensure that whatever image they project doesn't tarnish Solo 2's image but rather complements it. Finally, am I interested in drift? No not really. Are drift participants/fans interested in Solo 2 or Solo 1? Maybe yes may be no. I just hope that they don't speak of our chosen from of motorsports the way they've been spoken of in this thread.

[max attack]

Carguy,having taken part in 2 driftnation events I can say the organizers are well aware of the safety concerns.I personally have no use for the showboat aspect,you know the doing donuts with limbs and even entire bodies hanging out.At the 1st drift school I witnessed guys starting to hang an arm out the window,mentioned it to Alberto and that crap was shot down then and there.All events are to have doors and windows remain closed during the runs.I even had an official tell me I couldn't do any weaving to warm the tires(just the fronts-the rears were plenty hot!)when travelling back around for another run at shannonville-that to me is pretty extreme in the name of safety but you get the point.
I wasn't too impressed with quite a few of the seriously narrow minded(like the thread title itself-drifting event at OUR solo venue,and here I thought the brampton center owned it:confused: )comments during this thread.
As for getting drift guys to do solo 2,thats a little tougher considering the excitment generated at drift events compared to the incredibly boring solo2 action.I say that as an avid autocrosser with an amazing amount of effort into car prep alone,for 30 second runs-I must be nuts!;)
I plan to attend as many drift classes as possible(I've offered to instruct)and my wife wants to take the classes(how cool is that?).If there's any issues with safety I intend to voice my concerns.

[Carguy]

Hey max attack,

I can see you're passionate about the sport. :cool: So we actually have something in common... I'm equally passionate about racing at the track. ;) So if, as I expect, drift events are run safely and with respect towards venue operators, then drift guys deserve to be regarded as a legitimate motorsport.

[max attack]

Truth be told I'm actually more into the "real racing" thing over drifting.I was hesitent about attending the 1st drift class as being 35 I don't get the hip hop drift wannabe crowd at all-all the guys were great however with no attitude at all.
Maybe I'll see you at a solo1 event(funds permitting)with my poor little corolla(my S14 stays off the track!)

[Marsh]

It's been my experience that people that actually drift are well manared and respectfull. It''s the punks that watch, but don't participate, that have attitudes.

[ShaneG]

It's been my experience that people that actually drift are well manared and respectfull. It''s the punks that watch, but don't participate, that have attitudes.

You can substitute almost any automotive group including solo...for "drift"

How many yahoos come out to Square 1 for the prosolo and speed out of the lot ..."VTEC Yo!", there was a post about a bike doing repeated wheelies past a Solo 2Venue

I don't know the percentages, but there are always 1 or 2 idiots that incorectly give a larger group a bad name:rolleyes:

[Marsh]

Originally posted by ShaneG
You can substitute almost any automotive group including solo...for "drift"

How many yahoos come out to Square 1 for the prosolo and speed out of the lot ..."VTEC Yo!", there was a post about a bike doing repeated wheelies past a Solo 2Venue

I don't know the percentages, but there are always 1 or 2 idiots that incorectly give a larger group a bad name:rolleyes:

The bike was in Woodstock. Poorly behaved spectators are a constant problem there. We've called the police to our own venue 3 times now.