Pitl #4

[MastaDeeMon]

Great event guys, the course was even better than last week. Congrats to Taylor for FTD......and for getting the speaker working. A great day!!

D.

[speedevo]

I'd like to thank everyone too, it my was first time out (31 black 2001 integra) and i had a blast and everyone i spoke too was nice, i'll try to be back at the next one forsure :)

[Taylor]

Thank you, thank you. I was getting a little worried I wouldn't be able to put any decals in the FTD line of my "Confirmed Kills" plate. :) Now it doesn't look quite so naked, and should really intimidate them at the Easterns :P... that is if anyone can consider the possibility that I didn't get FTD in the near stock Civic Si. :)

[Martini Focus]

I had a really great time! After a pathetic first run I dropped almost 10sec on my 2nd. I got some fantastic suggestions and help from Stephen when he came along for a ride on my 3rd run. My 4th I tried to remember everything that I had learned on my 3rd run. On my final run I broke into the 50's with a 59 sec run, not bad from starting in the 70's.:D

Things that I learned.
Throttle isn't just full on or off it has a partial level...who knew??:confused:
Brakes.. wow brakes are great, using them really helped my time.
Don't brake had while tuning, brake before the corner.


Overall I'm very happy, my goal was to improve with each run and to learn as much as I could. The people were great, always willing to make constructive suggestions. Paul great to meet you thanks for the help, Ken sorry I lost you on the way home.

I can't wait until the double header weekend!!:D

[andrew1984]

yes, lovely layout.


taylor, ill get you next time :D

[Keith-02Accord]

Yes, had a blast!


I wonder how long it will take Taylor to get the results up...specially since he set FTD!! Congrats Taylor.

[Taylor]

What is it with you and Results? ;)

I decided to sleep yesterday since I only had 4 hours of it the night before. I'm sure they'll be up by the end of the day.

[mike_moss]

Yesterday was yet another great PITL event...can't wait til the next one!

Congrats, Taylor!



Anyone know what happened to the "Hondaspeed" Civic???

[Taylor]

Thank you, thank you...

The Orange CRX? Yeah we dunno. Anthony said something about maybe he blew the engine.

I know I heard a really scary sounding shift during his first run. Then just before that part of the course, he died on his second run.

Bummer.

[Keith-02Accord]

Taylor, I was taking a shot at you. I don't care when you get the results up. I was being sarcastic u silly goose!!!

[Taylor]

Yes.. I know.. hence the smiley you silly goose.

Yeesh.

[DareBee]

MastaDeeMon

Please be aware of the "blown cars in B mod" statement.
An AFTERMARKET forced induction system is automatically C mod.

[paulmon]

Originally posted by Martini Focus
I had a really great time! After a pathetic first run I dropped almost 10sec on my 2nd. I got some fantastic suggestions and help from Stephen when he came along for a ride on my 3rd run. My 4th I tried to remember everything that I had learned on my 3rd run. On my final run I broke into the 50's with a 59 sec run, not bad from starting in the 70's.:D

Things that I learned.
Throttle isn't just full on or off it has a partial level...who knew??:confused:
Brakes.. wow brakes are great, using them really helped my time.
Don't brake had while tuning, brake before the corner.


Overall I'm very happy, my goal was to improve with each run and to learn as much as I could. The people were great, always willing to make constructive suggestions. Paul great to meet you thanks for the help, Ken sorry I lost you on the way home.

I can't wait until the double header weekend!!:D

Nice meeting you as well Simon. I'll bring a cooler next time.

I had a great time and will be at the next PITL event assuming it doesn't conflict with anything.

I think I could have pulled a slightly quicker run but my front tires are about as hard as steel and just couldn't get the bite that I needed on some parts of the couse. I was understeering like a Buick on the turn before the stop box. I really need some new rubber, run flats make TERRIBLE autocross tires. My FTD was a 55.7 which is the goal I had going out. I knew where I made my mistake the run before (57) and knew a 55 would be easy. I think the car on the stock hard terrible run-flat tires could have done a 55 flat but that's about it.

The course is faster than I'm used to but I LOVED IT. The BMWCC autocrosses max out at around 65kph which the MINI can do in first gear so no shifting.

Just checked today, LSD for my car installed is $2500 and takes 2 days! Damn! :(

See ya at the next event folks.

Paul

[MastaDeeMon]

Originally posted by DareBee
MastaDeeMon

Please be aware of the "blown cars in B mod" statement.
An AFTERMARKET forced induction system is automatically C mod.

I know Derek, I'm just being a pain in the ass. It doesn't matter now anyway, the offending car has been destroyed(no I'm not happy about it) Besides, I have the B-mod points lead so I'm pretty happy.

D.

[101rs]

first PITL i made it out this year and it was great. that speaker thingy was cool
keep up the good work :D

anyone else get a ticket on the way home, i got a another improper muffler, i'm the proud owner of three of them now.. :(

[andrew1984]

anthony is a good buddy of mine.


he busted a cylinder.

hes now buying some jdm gsr me thinks.

[mike_moss]

Originally posted by andrew1984
anthony is a good buddy of mine.


he busted a cylinder.

hes now buying some jdm gsr me thinks.

ouch...hope to see it out again soon!

[DareBee]

I must assume you are referring to the Orange rocket
No way that car should be B mod.
I thought your beef was with T McG.

D

[Taylor]

He's in B Mod? (I know I key them in, but I don't do the classification).

I think we need a "Engine Swap" check box on the entry forms now...

[eddie 82]

Engine swap? Last time I looked under the hood that thing was s/c'd!

[Keith-02Accord]

Ryan, you are right, but the engine is a b16...definitely not Stock engine!

[J.C.]

lol people actually care that non legal cars are running in there class. I thought people stopped caring about this years ago that's why scruitineering stopped happening. If you are going to complain about someone not being legal (and I am not saying he is) then you should scruteneer everyone. Hmm lets put the fear of god into everyone lets just require a dyno sheet from a certified location. Almost sounds like drug testing for the top three finishers. :cool:

[tanney]

Some competitors may THINK they are getting away with "things" but someone almost always notices and says something and those competitors are usually under a watchful eye.

When shit hits the fan with these competitors, it usually causes a big splat!

There are a lot of seasoned competitors around that have seen a lot of different things.

Besides, where's the satification in winning if you know you didn't do it fairly? The pretty trophy doesn't mean much then does it, especially when all your competition knows the scoop.

[soloZ]

Ok I have 128HP and 144Lbs/ft of torque.

[andrew1984]

ok, i have 666 hp, at the crank! Thats why im so devilish...

[motore]

Just so you guys know

Cylinder 3 and 4 Broken

#3 Bent valve and hole in piston and destroyed combustion chamber.

#4 Broke no.4 piston (Compression = 60)

And for all

I come to have fun and race
I don't care where you place me.
put me in my own class.

Engone Swap / Supercharged :eek:

Dont worry Ill be back soon with a stock 108hp
Stock Honda crx motor

Did I mention "STOCK"

[MastaDeeMon]

Originally posted by DareBee
I must assume you are referring to the Orange rocket
No way that car should be B mod.
I thought your beef was with T McG.

D

No my beef was with TmcG's Mini. No beef with the Orange Rex at all. IT doesn't matter though, I really don't care anymore:) I'm just gunning for the B-mod. championship, that is all that matters to me now. BTW Tom's Civic that I co-drive has a dyno proven 65 hp to the wheels.:D

D.

[paulmon]

Originally posted by MastaDeeMon
No my beef was with TmcG's Mini. No beef with the Orange Rex at all. IT doesn't matter though, I really don't care anymore:) I'm just gunning for the B-mod. championship, that is all that matters to me now. BTW Tom's Civic that I co-drive has a dyno proven 65 hp to the wheels.:D

D.

As a MINI driver I'm curious as to what the issue you had with the MINI that TmcG drives? Aside from that fact that it's now scrap and written off. :(

Paul

[roooo]

I think he doesn't like the fact that FI cars with engines < 2.0 L are allowed in PITL B family classes.

Technically, the Mazdaspeed Protege should be in B family too because it is 1991 cc ;)

[MastaDeeMon]

Originally posted by roooo
I think he doesn't like the fact that FI cars with engines < 2.0 L are allowed in PITL B family classes.

Technically, the Mazdaspeed Protege should be in B family too because it is 1991 cc ;)

I don't think modern Forced Induction cars should be allowed in B class. What I don't understand is that a Mini Cooper S is allowed in Bmod(with a rear sway bar) but if i add a JRSC to a 87 CRX Si it would be in C-mod. Anyway this topic has been discussed enough so lets end it now, shall we?

D.

[paulmon]

Originally posted by MastaDeeMon
I don't think modern Forced Induction cars should be allowed in B class. What I don't understand is that a Mini Cooper S is allowed in Bmod(with a rear sway bar) but if i add a JRSC to a 87 CRX Si it would be in C-mod. Anyway this topic has been discussed enough so lets end it now, shall we?

D.

Gotcha, just wondering what was up. I was under the impression that "stock" classes were comprised with many factors, power to weight ratio being one. The MINI might be blown but it's still only 163hp. I'm in much the same boat, my supercharger pulley, which only adds around 18hp and 18lb/ft put me in C mod. My car puts down around 175hp at the wheels where a stock Cooper S is 149hp at the wheels. Sure I've got more power, but C mod? Granted I don't think I did that bad in C mod last weekend considering I don't have any suspension mods (aside from rear sway) and I'm running on the stock tires.

I really want to see the results posted so that I can really sit down and compare my times to other cars etc. I wish the results noted if the car was running R-Compound or not. That would be sweet.

Cheers,

Paul

[miataboi]

Originally posted by paulmon
Gotcha, just wondering what was up. I was under the impression that "stock" classes were comprised with many factors, power to weight ratio being one. The MINI might be blown but it's still only 163hp. I'm in much the same boat, my supercharger pulley, which only adds around 18hp and 18lb/ft put me in C mod. My car puts down around 175hp at the wheels where a stock Cooper S is 149hp at the wheels. Sure I've got more power, but C mod? Granted I don't think I did that bad in C mod last weekend considering I don't have any suspension mods (aside from rear sway) and I'm running on the stock tires.

I really want to see the results posted so that I can really sit down and compare my times to other cars etc. I wish the results noted if the car was running R-Compound or not. That would be sweet.

Cheers,

Paul

...dude.
It's not our fault that you've modded your engine (supercharger boost) AND your suspension!!!

Once you do that.... all bets are off!

AND.... a s/c has a MUCH flatter torque curve than a n/a car.... so JUST comparing PEAK h/p numbers is NOT fair.

You'd have been more competitive and FASTER if you'd have left your car stock and just bought some decent tires.

You play by the rules... the rules are not changed for each individual to suit them and their particular modifications.


And to address MDM's point.... (not that I want to.)
-FACTORY (OEM) setups are CONSERVATIVE by nature.
Realize that.
An aftermarket setup doesn't have to be. So if we let aftermarket f/i setups in b-mod.... you'd have absolute BEASTS in there...
It is not our fault is you decide to mod your car half-azzed and not take advantage of the rules. Modify WITHIN the rules... if you modify half-way to the rules... don't complain that you are not fast enough and that there is a problem with the classification system. MAX OUT your car WITHIN THE RULES.... THEN... get a national-calibre driver to drive it... if it's REALLY not competitive... then we'll ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT of talking over the classifications with you and your case in mind.


until then...

[paulmon]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by miataboi
[B]...dude.
It's not our fault that you've modded your engine (supercharger boost) AND your suspension!!!

Once you do that.... all bets are off!

[quote]

Woah, keep your pants on. Agreed I modded my engine and I have no problem with being classed into a different catagory. What I'm saying is that putting me in a higer class than a Viper is a little strange considering even with my mods I'm no Viper killer. My supercharger pulley wasn't done for autocross it was done to make the car a better overall driver, it shifts the torque curve left which makes more lower-end usable power.

The classes in the PITL events aren't as granular as SCCA or other series here in Canada, I think that's what we're BOTH saying. The blanket statement of "Any boost mods and you're C-Mod" is a little over the top.

Classes are used so that when you're competing against cars of the same class it's a level playing field. However if you look at C-Mod it's a hodge podge of all different cars of different ability. This is why I'm getting a stock size pulley which I can swap onto my supercharger in 30 mins. :) Say hi to your new B-mod competitor.

You're right, we're off topic. It was a good event and I'll be at the next. :D :D

Paul

[andrew1984]

Originally posted by paulmon
Gotcha, just wondering what was up. I was under the impression that "stock" classes were comprised with many factors, power to weight ratio being one. The MINI might be blown but it's still only 163hp. I'm in much the same boat, my supercharger pulley, which only adds around 18hp and 18lb/ft put me in C mod. My car puts down around 175hp at the wheels where a stock Cooper S is 149hp at the wheels. Sure I've got more power, but C mod? Granted I don't think I did that bad in C mod last weekend considering I don't have any suspension mods (aside from rear sway) and I'm running on the stock tires.

I really want to see the results posted so that I can really sit down and compare my times to other cars etc. I wish the results noted if the car was running R-Compound or not. That would be sweet.

Cheers,

Paul


buddy,

i have 188WHP on a good day. and my car weighs over 3000 lbs.

you wanna talk about horsepower to weight ratio? do the math.

and you know what really bothers me? everyone hears my exhaust and thinks i have a jet engine in this thing! its a damn STOCK piece of crap turbo!( its the size of your fist )

not to mention, the car is the size of a small minivan.

try to find out how the other minis are set-up.

practice....practice......practice.

[MastaDeeMon]

yellow jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit?

This topic has been done to death. Andrew, your car is a rocket, don't downplay that. Torque is king in the pylons, and your car makes boatloads. You drive it very well though, a fast car does not guarantee success. And Miataboi, I know, I know, but you are assuming the Mini is a conservatively setup car. I dissagree, but I do see what you are saying, and I don't want aftermarket blowers in B-mod either, there would be no way to make sure things were conservative/equal. I have won the last 2 events with a 65 hp car, I like to think it has a lot more to do with the Indian, than the arrow. I now know the rules and will follow them without argument, I had assumed that a S/C car was immediately in C-mod, before it was explained to me that the displacement limit was 2.0 litres. BTW, when the Webbers and cam go in the SilCiv, will we still be in B-Mod?

D.

[Chris P]

i think cams are Cmod............but dood, your running the series, i'm not. :o


I find it funny that you guys can debate PITTL rules, they are what they are. That is fun, easy, perhaps even relaxing.........isn't that why you run the series?

The only way to have a fair class is to run a spec series like SCCA S2. The classification nerds pick a car to win the class and everything else is filler. Z06 here, S2000 there, MINI here, Miata over there. Sometimes an amazing talent can even the fieild.



Dave,
Can you name 1 person in ontario that is running to the max entent of the rules, any rules, SOLO 1, SOLO 2? Just give me 1! Those words and very danagours because it is not reasonble to assume people will/can do it.

[paulmon]

Originally posted by andrew1984
buddy,

i have 188WHP on a good day. and my car weighs over 3000 lbs.

you wanna talk about horsepower to weight ratio? do the math.

and you know what really bothers me? everyone hears my exhaust and thinks i have a jet engine in this thing! its a damn STOCK piece of crap turbo!( its the size of your fist )


Damn, us MINI owners have really got to fly incognito don't we?

Now about this "small as my fist turbo..." What chip do you have? Consider you bitch about C-Mod I'm assuming this is because you chipped your 1.8t. Let's assume a GIAC, which by my calculation puts your torque somewhere in the order of 200+lb/ft. Hrm, even with my mods I'm pushing at most 165lb/ft at the wheels. Ya, your right that's a small turbo and the world is against you. :rolleyes: It might be small but your electronically controlled waste gate helps with that. When do you hit 200+lb/ft, 2000rpm? I hit 165lb/ft above 3500rpm. OH and the curb weight of the MINI is 2700lbs. So we're even. If you're still not happy you could always trade in the Love Bug and by a MINI. ;)

However from what I've read and seen your car is very competitive so I'm not sure I fully understand your complaint. Unless it's the same as mine and that is that we can't compete in PITL C-Mod with our stock superchargers and turbos if all we've done is swap a pulley or flash an ECU. Out of curiosity what was your FTD at PITL on the 27th?

Anyways, as has been made abundantly clear, this has been discussed before (not that I was aware but I'm new) so let's just move on.

Paul

[andrew1984]

i think you are misunderstanding me.

im not complaining, im just stating a fact - that your car is equal, if not faster then mine.

you are accusing me of complaining - but all i have been hearing is your endless whining.


and what the hell do you know about my car? that its 150HP STOCK? not 180 like the golfs and jettas. Or the fact that it doesnt make as much power being chipped as the GOLFS AND JETTA's DO?

im tired of being accused for having massive power.


do you realize that im not even apart of the PITTL series?


so lets just move on... :rolleyes:

[paulmon]

Originally posted by andrew1984
i think you are misunderstanding me.

im not complaining, im just stating a fact - that your car is equal, if not faster then mine.

and you are coming across me, as though i have been complaining.

and what the hell do you know about my car? that its 150HP STOCK? not 180 like the golfs and jettas. Or the fact that it doesnt make as much power being chipped as the GOLFS AND JETTA's DO?

im tired of being accused for having massive power.


do you realize that im not even apart of the PITTL series?


so lets just move on... :rolleyes:

A new car comes on the market all the time, it started with the Miata, then the S2000 now it's the MINI (sure different classes but you get my drift). New cars come out all the time big deal.

Sorry, I thought I saw you running on the 27th at PITTL? I was positive it was you. I was simply curious if it was you what your time was on a run. That's all.

Paul

[andrew1984]

yes, it was me.

no, im NOT in the SERIES.

my FTD during the first 5 runs was 50.9

[tanney]

Yep, yep, yep. Why does this message forum end up with personal or club attacks all the time?

Push It To The Limit is a fun series where car classifications may not be the best or fairest, but it's a fun series. A good bunch of people running the show, a good lot and a lot of competitors.

If your not series registered, why bother caring (and thus complaining about it). If it's an ego thing, go down and run a SCCA event and see how the ego fairs there!

It's all about driving and having some fun.

If you want classes that are a little fairer, come out and try the CASC-OR 2003 Mobil 1 Solo II Championship Series Sponsored by ActionFront Data Recovery Labs.

[paulmon]

Originally posted by tanney
Yep, yep, yep. Why does this message forum end up with personal or club attacks all the time?


Not sure what happened, I asked a simple question, as the newbie, as to why there was exception to TMcG's MINI. As a MINI driver I was very curious. It went to hell in a hand basket after that. :(


Push It To The Limit is a fun series where car classifications may not be the best or fairest, but it's a fun series. A good bunch of people running the show, a good lot and a lot of competitors.

If your not series registered, why bother caring (and thus complaining about it). If it's an ego thing, go down and run a SCCA event and see how the ego fairs there!

It's all about driving and having some fun.


Last weekends PITL event was my first and I had a blast. :) Had I much cared about my class I'd be out buying R-Compound right now. Without it I'm not competitive in ANY class. Right now I'm having fun, a bunch of it. :D


If you want classes that are a little fairer, come out and try the CASC-OR 2003 Mobil 1 Solo II Championship Series Sponsored by ActionFront Data Recovery Labs.

Why is it that in every motorsport event the event name or series name is a HUGE mouthful. ;) For example "Bridgestone presents the CHAMP car world series powered by Ford" is the official title of CHAMP car. :( Granted that takes the cake with two sponsors in the title.

Paul

[tanney]

Good Sponsors are hard to get and even harder to keep these days, so pleasing the sponsors is on or near the top of the priority list.

The sponsors help with the costs involved in hosting events or series, thus keeping the entry fees as low as possible (in some cases). Sometimes they add product to the mix, help out with the schools, year end banquets, etc.

Mobil 1 is a long time title sponsor and ActionFront Data Revovery Labs have only been involved for a couple of years, but Nick is THE MAN. He is a hard core enthusist that not only participates in Grassroots Motorsports, but contributes financially to various series.

We need more people like Nick, Christian and all ActionFront team as well as Mobil 1 in our meger sport.

On that note, buy products from our series sponsors. I personally use Mobil 1 synthetic, if I ever have a hard drive problem (knock on wood that I never will need their services) that I couldn't fix myself, I would send it to ActionFront, no hesitation.

Wheel & Tire Zone is another long time sponsor that EVERYONE should be buying tires and rims from. Andrew is a great guy and will set you up with what you need.

Mad Macs Commications and Wired Motorsports have vinyl cutting series for you person decals. Perry (Mad Macs) stocks magnetic material for decals as well.

Support our series sponsors!!!!!!!

Peace out and rock on.

[J.C.]

Speaking of wich recently I downloaded BFI from www.wiredmotorsports.com and I found it to be very interesting. I would recomend it to anyone doing motorsports. For you veterans you may only get one or two pointers out of it or a refresher course, but alot of times that may be all it takes to get that couple of 10ths shaved off your time. For any novices this will definately help shorten the learning curve.
I also have been using Mobil 1 for about 15 years and have found it to be a great and reliable product.
Wheel and Tirezone are always helpful and knowledgeable. They are also located very close to where the PITL event takes place for those morning emergencies ;)

[rpr]

Originally posted by tanney

If you want classes that are a little fairer, come out and try the CASC-OR 2003 Mobil 1 Solo II Championship Series Sponsored by ActionFront Data Recovery Labs.

Ok, I just can't let this one go by without comment, and understand, I realize that the mods I have done put me where I am, and I am perfectly fine with that, but in the regionals, I have to go against WRX's. So it's gone from one boosted car to another. Granted, the course layout can make a big difference with the results, depending on how open it is and if the power can be used, but still.

Anyway, my point was that the classing ends up being the same either way, so saying 'run regionals, it's fairer' doesn't necessarily ring true for me. I DON'T want to turn this into the last thread we had about this, just wanted to voice my opinion. Flame away... :)

PS I enjoy the events regardless of which series they are, and I will continue to mod my car the way I want, and end up where I end up. But hey, I can bitch and complain occassionally, can't I? :)

[ChrisM]

Well... that makes it official. We have determined that the rules for classes (both PITL and Regionals) suck, but we all go out and race for fun anyway.

Personally I find the discussions of the classes interesting and educational. There is only so much you can learn reading the rules and there is a lot of small print and judgement calls. No one should be getting offended. Personal attackes don't make good reading.

The only real solution to classes would be to run spec cars... how boring would that be?

"Hey! How are you?"
"No bad, nice car!"
"Thanks, it's sonic yellow"
"Ohhhhh.... hey, look! There's a blue ridge pearl one!"
"Wow! I heard a rumor about a metallic purple showing up next week!"
....blah blah blah....

Chris M

[JoeT]

Too much sun... Too much sun.

I wonder if they make "Anti-Sunstroke" cream... Specifically for drivers of Silver Subaru's with Pink Stickers.

LOL

"Hey! How are you?"
"No bad, nice car!"
"Thanks, it's sonic yellow"
"Ohhhhh.... hey, look! There's a blue ridge pearl one!"
"Wow! I heard a rumor about a metallic purple showing up next week!"
....blah blah blah....

[finboy]

Originally posted by tanney
Yep, yep, yep. Why does this message forum end up with personal or club attacks all the time?

Push It To The Limit is a fun series where car classifications may not be the best or fairest, but it's a fun series. A good bunch of people running the show, a good lot and a lot of competitors.

If your not series registered, why bother caring (and thus complaining about it). If it's an ego thing, go down and run a SCCA event and see how the ego fairs there!

It's all about driving and having some fun.

If you want classes that are a little fairer, come out and try the CASC-OR 2003 Mobil 1 Solo II Championship Series Sponsored by ActionFront Data Recovery Labs.

word to your motha!!

-these are club rules,
-these clubs started because they didn't like someone elses series
-this is supposed to be fun weekend sport
-(if i had it my way there would be no classes for the pro-slaloms)
-if i could make the classes i would class them by car colour, or who had the best looking girlfriend
-no paxes no classes everyone thrown into one pool
no politics, no problems

no one is forcing you to show up...

come out and enjoy it.. if you're crying about useless shit
you're wasting everyones time..

no one wants to hear it

NICK is the man! he is a wicked guy and has stepped up sooooooo many times just to help us out (i'm sure a few guys would hug him) in a non homo way of course.. not that there's anything wrong with being a homo

the class rules are posted on wiredmotorsports.com

the classes have been basically the same since the pitl series started


Dave t

ps the proslalom is happening sept long weekend

be there!!!

[Martini Focus]

Originally posted by finboy
ps the proslalom is happening sept long weekend

Might be a dumb question but what's proslalom??:confused:

[101rs]

proslalom is a solo2 race times 2.
it's two mirrored courses side by side with two cars out at the same time racing each other and it's ton of fun
the one mention is done at square one shopping center in one of the back lots
ps. u might want to jack up ur car a bit for this one cuz the lots isn't that flat and some of bottomed out at the last one(not complaining, just letting u know)

[Suzie]

no one wants to hear it


*I* want to hear it.

This is a board about motorsports. I'm failing to understand the problem if people POLITELY and RESPECTFULLY talk about concerns they have about their cars, the classes, the set up of events, whatever. That IS talk about motorsports and I, as a relative newbie, would like to hear it. Unless this is going to become a totally stagnant sport, I think listening to the people who come out and run the events is a good thing. Talk about what seems to work for the majority and what seems to work less well. Respect (and appreciate) the work that goes into putting these events together, respect the fact that there might be room to improve on some things, respect the fact that folks are going to disagree on some things.

This is my second year doing solo2 and my first year on the board and, frankly, I'm pretty much afraid to post here. Is that how new folks are going to be attracted to the sport? Is there a desire to attract new folks? I mean, if the answer to everything is agree, deal with it, and piss off, it's not real welcoming.

Suzie

[miataboi]

Originally posted by Suzie
*I* want to hear it.

This is a board about motorsports. I'm failing to understand the problem if people POLITELY and RESPECTFULLY talk about concerns they have about their cars, the classes, the set up of events, whatever. That IS talk about motorsports and I, as a relative newbie, would like to hear it. Unless this is going to become a totally stagnant sport, I think listening to the people who come out and run the events is a good thing. Talk about what seems to work for the majority and what seems to work less well. Respect (and appreciate) the work that goes into putting these events together, respect the fact that there might be room to improve on some things, respect the fact that folks are going to disagree on some things.

This is my second year doing solo2 and my first year on the board and, frankly, I'm pretty much afraid to post here. Is that how new folks are going to be attracted to the sport? Is there a desire to attract new folks? I mean, if the answer to everything is agree, deal with it, and piss off, it's not real welcoming.

Suzie

...it seems that you have a problem with authority....

:p

[Suzie]

Originally posted by miataboi
...it seems that you have a problem with authority....

:p

Pfft. Took ya long enough to notice ;-)

Suzie

[Chris P]

i think the spirit of the posts on this board steam from the fact that we are all very compeditive people and feel that OUR opinion is worth more then the next guys, right? Perhaps we don't intend for it to come out that way but re-read this thread and see what i'm taking about. Its all a big pissing match and everyone is invited, him yeah, something like that. Actually i enjoy the extra spice it brings to the community, at the track face to face everyone is pretty nice to one another. Only in a place like this opinion and comments get out for the majority to read instead of a few people talking behind others backs.

I agree its not great for newbies when everyone of thier posts gets offtopic, not sure that aspect helps anyone. I guess all that can be asked is that people have a little consideration for what they contribute to a tread and try not to get too far off topic.


PS,
Dave T, I know you mean well and usually have the right idea but is there any chance you could be a little less offensive? There is no need scaring away newbies by being so crude. PLAY NICE! ;)
come on dood, give me ONE car in ontario that is optimized to its rules......... :confused:


Oh well, i'm done with writing............off to cayuga where the real men play. :D

[Keith-02Accord]

Originally posted by Chris P
Oh well, i'm done with writing............off to cayuga where the real men play. :D

So, why are you going to Cayuga then Chris????? :D

[finboy]

i have issues.. no doubt about that.

people get a tad sensitive about this thing, because its a weekend thing away from work, where its a way to get away from all the bull shit we deal with work, family friends etc..

i've been involved as soon as i found this best kept secret.
made tons of friends, and learned a whole lot about cars.

people either love me hate me or put up with me, it doesn't matter to me.

If we were getting paid it would be different, i'd put up with the crap a different way.

we don't.. we do it because in many cases... no one else wants to do it.

look in the past where some clubs had their families help them host an event.. why? its because people don't want to get involved.

i'm involved because the core veterans are wicked people..
and its a cheap form of motorsports.

solo motorsports was happening way back in the day when some were skinny, had more hair, and there were way more rwd cars around.

the rx7 club / msoc used to be an exclusive club, kinda like the bmw one, but then we grew and now we're the minority.

it was just as competitive in the past, but these forums, allow the silent minority to wave their own flags.

there were less classes, in the past.

i don't know...

if your a newbie, quit lurking and show up. it doesn' t matter if we say they'll be a wet t-shirt contest or not..

some will some won't.. most have just show'd up on their own.

if you let stupid threads scare you off, then thats your loss.

if you enjoy driving, show up!!

in my mind, its one of the best kept secrets for people who love driving


Dave t

ps most of the class winners use all their prep points or work within their oem specs.

yes they're diehard coneheads and very good drivers.. but its the class winners who take advantage of the rules, learn them, and use them for the sport they enjoy.

[Chris P]

come over to my tent and i'll show you :eek:

[finboy]

Originally posted by Martini Focus
Might be a dumb question but what's proslalom??:confused:

get as much seat time in between now and sept long weekend.

its the best form of solo II

somewhere, there are videos and articles of the event

[finboy]

sorry one other thing....


The word race is not in our vocabulary....

-we compete against each other
-we drive our cars on the weekend
-we try to better ourselves against the clock

keep the word race vehicles on the same course, going head to head etc.

solo motorsports is ONE at a time on your OWN course

yes it sounds silly..

but there are reasons

[finboy]

Originally posted by Chris P
come over to my tent and i'll show you :eek:

i don't get it??

[finboy]

Originally posted by Suzie
*I* want to hear it.

This is a board about motorsports. I'm failing to understand the problem if people POLITELY and RESPECTFULLY talk about concerns they have about their cars, the classes, the set up of events, whatever. That IS talk about motorsports and I, as a relative newbie, would like to hear it. Unless this is going to become a totally stagnant sport, I think listening to the people who come out and run the events is a good thing. Talk about what seems to work for the majority and what seems to work less well. Respect (and appreciate) the work that goes into putting these events together, respect the fact that there might be room to improve on some things, respect the fact that folks are going to disagree on some things.

This is my second year doing solo2 and my first year on the board and, frankly, I'm pretty much afraid to post here. Is that how new folks are going to be attracted to the sport? Is there a desire to attract new folks? I mean, if the answer to everything is agree, deal with it, and piss off, it's not real welcoming.

Suzie

if you want things to improve

- give us money to buy better timing equipment
a digital large display clock
- digital video cameras where we can all tape the runs and post them on a jumbotron
- get every punk ass kid, and drag them by their ear and get them to learn about motorsports in a safe controlled manner
- take away sunday shopping, and get us some huge nice smooth ass parking lots with no poles, or curbs
-bring out all the nice cars, the vettes, cobras, porsches, lotus,
all the car clubs in the gta
- someone pay people to marshal and fetch cones
- give us some nice sponsers so we can give away nice prizes
- get more women involved
(its basically a sausage fest... )

these forums are secondary to the events...

its the same people posting, flaming, asking questions all the time

the majority of people who participate don't read this.

ASK QUESTIONS AT THE EVENT, ASK OTHER DRIVERS

wanna go for a ride as a passenger at the PITL events

just ask, 9 times out of 10 it will be a yes (1st or second runs)

you'll learn a ton by getting on the course as much as possible, asking questions and getting involved.

this isn't kindergarden... the average age of this sports is probably in the mid to late 30's


on every web board there are lurkers and newbies..

but its probably the same percentage who actually get out and get their feet wet


dave t

[Chris P]

My last comment was to Keith

But you can join him if you like :o

[Suzie]

Originally posted by Chris P
My last comment was to Keith

But you can join him if you like :o

Sausage fest indeed ;)

Suzie

[tanney]

Sausage fest indeed

Thanks Suzie, I needed the laugh this morning!!!!!

Personally I thought Chris was trying to seduce Dave, but it turns out it was Keith.

[Keith-02Accord]

Chris is always TRYING to seduce me. :rolleyes:

(but who can blame him) :D

[finboy]

Originally posted by Keith-02Accord
Chris is always TRYING to seduce me. :rolleyes:

(but who can blame him) :D

word on the street is, your a cheap drunk

and give it up really easy

at least.... that's what i heard on one of the scooby boards




dt

[tanney]

word on the street is, your a cheap drunk and give it up really easy

Keith, damn, are you camping at Cayuga thios weekend? You could be the life of the party.........:D

[Keith-02Accord]

Originally posted by tanney
Keith, damn, are you camping at Cayuga thios weekend? You could be the life of the party.........:D

Wes, unfortunately for you and Chris I won't be there :p

[7plymaple]

Very fun course for this event! Once again I had a great time trying to beat Ryan in B stock. Cant wait for #5.

[DareBee]

As always you people amaze and amuse me.

I am horrible at putting my thoughts and feelings into words and cannt type worth a shit so I dont post a whole lot.
I must say Suzie and Dave you guys are getting quit cynical. Although a know Dave quit well and realize he doesnt intend to come across as harsh as it seems.
I think Suzie's having sausage denial syndrome.

Class rules are posted on wired as mentioned.
Newbie's general rule of thumb for all Ontario races
- suspension and basic engine breathing (air filter/exhaust) up one class from stock
- Engine mods/transplants up 2 classes from stock.

Rmember most of us posting are laughin our asses off going through this forum and we are a very supportive tight knit community.

[Chris P]

sausage fest indeed, hmmmmmmmmmm i hear things are good in the drifting world.

[Suzie]

Originally posted by DareBee
I think Suzie's having sausage denial syndrome.


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