Helmet Modifications

[Travis]

I couldn't seem to find a SNELL approved Darth Vader helmet :D , so I was thinking about attaching pieces from a costume Darth Vader helmet to an existing SNELL approved helmet.

Would that break any rules?

My inspiration:
http://www.muddyh2o.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/darth-vader_ariel-atom.jpg

[Marsh]

Check with Snell. Part of snells approval is testing for common paints and adhesives for stickers. So some adhesives might be considered safe, but I wouldn't want to risk plastic cement on my lid.

Now as a club director and the provincial chief steward I would not allow any helmet that I thought might be at risk of catching or snagging (not an issue for open cockpits though), or that would have sharp points that could injure, no matter what the SNELL sticker said it was. I guess I wouldn't be apposed to paper add ons as long as they are to obtrusive. But anything that was plastic and had sharp corners would draw my negative attentions.

[finboy]

http://solo2.casc.on.ca/info/documents/2009/CASC-OR-2009_AS_rulebook_final-Jan_11-09.pdf



4.5. Helmets
Helmets may be either open faced or closed face. They must be in good condition both inside and outside and never subjected to a crash or other severe impact. A Snell 2000M or newer M-rated helmet is acceptable, provided the car is not equipped with a roll cage or racing slicks. Helmets meeting the following FIA standards are also approved. FIA 8860-2004 Snell 2000 SA or 2005 SA SFI Foundation 31.1A or 31.2A British Standards Institution BS 6658-85 type A/FR The driver of a vehicle equipped with a roll cage or where the vehicle is classified as Modified requires a helmet which meets one of the FIA, Snell SA, SFI or BSI standards listed above. Participants are advised that helmets meeting Snell standards will be accepted up until: 2000M, SA 2011 2005M, SA 2016

[Bubblecar]

Travis - I think one Darth in the region may be enough :D

[GordRoss]

As long as you can use the force on the steward, shouldn't be a problem

[Snizzoop]

4.5. Helmets
Helmets may be either open faced or closed face. They must be in good condition both inside and outside and never subjected to a crash or other severe impact. A Snell 2000M or newer M-rated helmet is acceptable, provided the car is not equipped with a roll cage or racing slicks. Helmets meeting the following FIA standards are also approved. FIA 8860-2004 Snell 2000 SA or 2005 SA SFI Foundation 31.1A or 31.2A British Standards Institution BS 6658-85 type A/FR. The driver of a vehicle equipped with a roll cage or where the vehicle is classified as Modified requires a helmet which meets one of the FIA, Snell SA, SFI or BSI standards listed above. Participants are advised that helmets meeting Snell standards will be accepted up until: 2000M, SA 2011 2005M, SA 2016


Sooo...just to be clear...anyone driving a car in MOD class must be wearing a Snell SA2000 or Snell SA2005 helmet? Snell M2000 and Snell M2005 helmets are no good?

[finboy]

Sooo...just to be clear...anyone driving a car in MOD class must be wearing a Snell SA2000 or Snell SA2005 helmet? Snell M2000 and Snell M2005 helmets are no good?

slicks or cage OR modified class... SA helmet only

[J.C.]

Question if a particular club does not use the CASC-OR classing system how would it be determind to be a mod car?

[Snizzoop]

Okay, again to be clear...a Civic has swapped a B18/B20, and has no other mods...the car is technically a MOD car. The driver and passenger must both be wearing an SA helmet?

I'm also interested in knowing the answer to J.C.'s question.

[Marsh]

Hmm, we backed off on this in the past with a deffinition for that in which mod cars that had less than a certain number of points excluding the single item that bumped them to MOD could get away with M helmets, but the rule clearly states other wise.

Bear in mind that many MOD cars are now SP because of the new update backdate rules.

[finboy]

1.1. Rules Apply To All Autoslalom Events
Every Solo II event in the Ontario Region must comply with Sections 1 through 3, while Sections 4 through 7 apply to all Provincial Championship Events and are optional for all other Solo II events. This is to say all Solo II events (definitions below), including informal club level events, must comply with Sections 1 through 3 in order to be covered by Club Insurance. It is the responsibility of the organizing club to make sure that these rules are followed.


for that mod part, I don't think it's perfectly clear for a club event, however
in that case (personally) i'd use the regional prep schedule to determine the class the car should be in.

if it is a Mod car, then "safety first" = SA helmet


my 2 cents

[Marsh]

for that mod part, I don't think it's perfectly clear for a club event, however
in that case (personally) i'd use the regional prep schedule to determine the class the car should be in.

if it is a Mod car, then "safety first" = SA helmet


my 2 cents

You're two cents are correct. You use the CASC classes to determine if an SA helmet is needed. You don't have to use the classes for other classifying reasons.

Ditto with roll-over protection for cars on non-DOT tires.

[J.C.]

Ditto with roll-over protection for cars on non-DOT tires.

I have seen way more cars go over with DOT tires than non-DOT tires.

[Marsh]

I have seen way more cars go over with DOT tires than non-DOT tires.

Agreed, but that's what's in the rule book.

[finboy]

I have seen way more cars go over with DOT tires than non-DOT tires.

thats cause there's probably less than 1% running non-DOT tires

[finboy]

Agreed, but that's what's in the rule book.

for consideration.. that ruling on non DOT tires = MOD should be reviewed

back in the day.. yes non DOT tires were faster than DOT, but the last generation of R comps are proabaly quicker now


(my 2 cents) an SA helmet should be used for any FULL CAGE car, regardless of the class it is in

otherwise a SNELL rated M helmet should be enough to cover everything else

[Snizzoop]

(my 2 cents) an SA helmet should be used for any FULL CAGE car, regardless of the class it is in

otherwise a SNELL rated M helmet should be enough to cover everything else

This is exactly how I thought the rule was...and therefore I also think that is how it should be.