CASC Regional Event #1 by OMSC

[CDNMadeHondaGuy]

Event #1 in the CASC Regional Autoslalom Series is less than 1 week away! Sunday May 3rd OMSC will be hosting event #1 at Mosport's Driver Developement Track. This year, by request, we will be running the ENTIRE DDT! Jeff and I are working hard to ensure that we have the safest event possible. Not to mention a blast to drive! Last year, started out wet, ended up dry and sunny with 7 timed runs. Time at the end of the day for plenty of fun runs too! Like usual with OMSC's Regonal's, competitors won't have to marshal, (hopefully we will have enough volunteers:D), we have requested the canteen be open for lunch, coffee and donuts are on us!

Registration opens @ 8am, and will go until 9. Drivers meeting at 9:15 and we are looking at a 9:30 start.

Shake out the cobwebs from the too long winter and join OMSC and CASC at the first Regional Autoslalom for 2009. This is the start to the entire Regional Racing Series on all levels. Be part of the action and kick off the 2009 season in a great way.

Cost this year is $40, no marshalling!

For futher information, drop me a note.

Look forward to seeing everyone next weekend!

Bruce

[.Mad Hatter.]

Cant wait!

[wikdslo]

Cant wait!

I can!

I posted in another thread about this event that the cruel gods of the automotive world are playing games with me, and my car is about 5 hours from being done, but has been so day after day due to hang ups and what not.

I'm staying positive that I can finish it by tonight/the weekend, working through the night or in the rain if need be...

But just in case, anyone care to take on a co-driver in case my ride is not ready?

[Parker]

I'm not running the series but I think I know what I'm doing on Sunday if it's supposed to be nice; 12 degrees and sunny hmmmmm it's going to be a chilly morning anyways!

[Tashko]

First event of the season and no marshalling, thanks OMSC!! Of all the events when the extra time is appreciated, the first one would be it.

I finally took the car for a drive to make sure it runs, gave it a little stick, it didn't blow. I think I'm almost ready, assuming the new tires fit... :D

Oh yeah, I suppose there's that online pre-reg thing we're supposed to use isn't there?

[JoeT]

Picked up my car today, fresh engine and all. The only thing that's missing is the new exhaust so I'm running the previous exhaust. But the car is running rich, but feels so good. Now the challenge is to put 1000 Km on it by Saturday so we can get the suckah tuned.

If not, I'll just run it at Mosport running rich for now.

I'm just happy my car is out of hibernation.. muahahaa!!

[msix]

My car is still on four Jack-stands, waiting for the new suspension ...
Been waiting for 8 weeks for those puppies to come in, finally got it through customs on Monday, opened the boxes ... not what I ordered ... :mad:

... more waiting ... until the car is on the ground again, I dont know if the tires will fit and if I have to do some body work ... waaaaaahhhhhh!!!

see you in .... June????

[ConesRnotEnough]

$40 and no lunch? SoloSprint is $110 and you get about 40 minutes of track time with warmup and competition.

[StewPiddass]

$40 and no lunch? SoloSprint is $110 and you get about 40 minutes of track time with warmup and competition.


Thanks for your input...

[sjd]

$40 and no lunch? SoloSprint is $110 and you get about 40 minutes of track time with warmup and competition.

...and is harder on brakes and tires. And in the case of my car would require an $800 roll bar.

I will get into Solosprint one day, but I'll never stop competing in Solo2 since I think it's more of a challenge.

[wikdslo]

My name is ConesRnotEnough!

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion and I'm not discounting what you have said in the slightest.

But you come in to a forum that races around cones with a name like that and start saying how Solosprint offers a better venue/value than Autoslalom, well, I wouldn't expect the best response.

Believe me, we're well aware of the value added perks of Solosprint! But we enjoy Autoslalom for what it is. And given that we are paying only $40 for the use of the ENTIRE DDT, as opposed to the 1/2 pad we have been used to in the past, I'm quite confident that no one will be complaining about having no lunch included.

That being said.... IF my car is ready to make it out, I'll be brining a decently sized portable BBQ that folks are welcome to use at their leisure.

Just bring your own BBQables and give'r!
I'll post up Saturday sometime if I'll be making it out.

[ConesRnotEnough]

My point is that $40 is a lot of money for an Autoslalom event, REGARDLESS of where it is. Add in the potential damage to vehicles and that $40 escalates quickly.

[wikdslo]

My point is that $40 is a lot of money for an Autoslalom event, REGARDLESS of where it is. Add in the potential damage to vehicles and that $40 escalates quickly.

$40 is a lot less than $110.
And that's just the entry fee.
The maintenace/prep/upkeep for entering Solosprint is far greater than Autoslalom.
And the potential damage to vehicles in Autoslalom would be less than in Solosprint, no?
Slower speeds, less abuse on the car.

In any case. We here in the Autoslalom forum enjoy Autoslalom quite a fair bit. If we didn't we'd be in the Solosprint forums!
We don't need to be reminded about the ups/downs of it or Solosprint.

Thanks!

[Tashko]

I dunno, but if a difference of $5 in an entry fee affects if somebody competes then they are in the wrong hobby or at least at the wrong level for their expected cost to compete. I'm not sure what the breaking point is for entry-fees where people won't bother going. I don't think $40 is it for the DDT.

SoloSprints are $110 and you have 12 timed laps and some practice time.
- I run Pro track in 1m20s so that's about 16mins of competition.
- $6.87/min of competition.
- most cars need a second set of pads for the track and maybe rotors.
- increased use fuel.
- 10 turns, cost per corner $0.92/corner.
- adrenaline - so-so.

Regional autoslaloms are $40 and you have 6 timed runs plus fun runs.
- Average courses are 50s, so that's about 5 minutes of competition
- $8/min of competition
- no need to change pads/rotors
- ~20 turns, cost per corner $0.33/corner :)
- adrenaline - high

Club autoslaloms are $25 and you have 6ish timed runs.

Lapping days are only $70 and you have tons of track time. No competition.

Basically, take your pick.

Heck, I run SCCA autoslalom events in the US where the costs are way higher considering gas, hotel, entry fees, USD, but I pay for the level of competition, the location, and the social aspect. :D

I run both Solosprint and Autoslalom because I get something different out of each of them. I don't look at the entry fees because either hobby is expensive but damn is it lots of fun.:D Although, I still can't get my family and friends to understand how driving around cones can be that thrilling. :o

[Cap'n Pete]

$40 and no lunch? SoloSprint is $110 and you get about 40 minutes of track time with warmup and competition.
$110 and no lunch?! :eek:

How about a $150 event and no lunch!! :mad:

Geez, where does it end? ...................... :rolleyes:

AutoSlalom is still a GREAT bang-for-the-buck. Try comparing a $30 or $40 entrance fee to AutoSlalom against a $20 or $30 entry to the drag strip, and see which one gives you the most mileage for your buck ;) ... yet people still line up for that too.

[Cap'n Pete]

SoloSprints
- 10 turns, cost per corner $0.92/corner.
- adrenaline - so-so.

Regional autoslaloms
- ~20 turns, cost per corner $0.33/corner :)
- adrenaline - high.
I got thinking about this. Autoslalom is really, a lot like a drag race, but with a CRAP-LOAD of turns thrown into it! :D And given the relatively short time frame, but intensely "busy" run, it's arguably more of a "sprint" race than the GT Sprints ..... I'm thinking AutoSlalom should be going after GT Sprints to take their name!!! :p

[soloMSP]

Can people that haven't registered for the series sign up and run this event?

[Tashko]

Try comparing a $30 or $40 entrance fee to AutoSlalom against a $20 or $30 entry to the drag strip, and see which one gives you the most mileage for your buck ;) ... yet people still line up for that too.

Yeah, but it would fail the all important $/corner figure! Maybe I should add a $/top speed? I hit 160km/h on the drag strip and just slightly more at Shannonville. I'll have to see what I hit on Sunday at the DDT. :D

[AndrewR]

$40 including coffee and doughnuts is a deal for the DDT.

My gas getting there and back will be about the same, and I get no free coffee from the gas station.

Anyway peeps.

I need from All Series Registered People , a registration form, a completed preparation point schedule, and a safety checklist to be filled out before you can run Sunday.

Many of you have supplied me with all the paperwork, and some have partially submitted the paperwork - But I will be checking for all 3 Sunday.

You can register for the series as well on Sunday, but please come early with completed documentation, as the line can get slow otherwise.

Our series scrutineer will be inspecting all cars before the event too - to ensure that your car is safe, and checking helmets for validity.

If you and your club are registering for the Change Crafters Interclub Challenge, bring the completed form Sunday too - this is the deadline.

Lots of stuff to remember, if you have any questions, PM me here!

See you out there!! It is sure to be a great time!

[wikdslo]

We have a fair number of pre-regs for this event already. And most people don't pre-register!

[Gwoody27]

Absolutely yes, and it is still possible to sign up for the full series. Just see Andrew Ross at the registration desk on Sunday morning. It is necessary that you are a member of a CASC-OR affiliated club, but otherwise we look forward to as many walk in competitors as possible. SEE YOU THERE.

Gary Wood
CASC-OR Autoslalom Director

Can people that haven't registered for the series sign up and run this event?

[Dave L]

for those that want to look
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=100108623465122908860.000437a9c5c9308149362&t=k&z=17&om=1

:D I CANT WAIT!!!! :D

[Caveman]

Is it just the outer perimiter or is all of the track being used?
Third gear wow :eek: most events i cant get out of first:(
well that was with the truck but its only .20 steaper gear in Chang

[Dave L]

Oh sorry, dont look at that Blue line, it was just on the map. But to SPECULATE that is the FULL track but I bet they will used some of the kinks and add some cones to keep in chalenging.

[Parker]

Were can i preregister if i'm not a member, i'm only wwith the TLMC at at the moment. If I can't/dont' preregister, can I be guarenteed that I won't be denied Sunday morning when I show up?

[sjd]

Were can i preregister if i'm not a member, i'm only wwith the TLMC at at the moment. If I can't/dont' preregister, can I be guarenteed that I won't be denied Sunday morning when I show up?

TLMC is a CASC club so you should be fine.

[ShaneG]

for those that want to look
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=100108623465122908860.000437a9c5c9308149362&t=k&z=17&om=1

:D I CANT WAIT!!!! :D

Try this

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Mosport+racetrack+&sll=43.858544,-78.771973&sspn=0.083921,0.154495&ie=UTF8&ll=44.049843,-78.686861&spn=0.005228,0.009656&t=k&z=17&msa=0&msid=100108623465122908860.000437a9c5c9308149362

[Cap'n Pete]

Is it just the outer perimiter or is all of the track being used?
Every nook & cranny will be used, with the exception of the two "cross-roads" that divide the upper and lower halves of the track :). But any "kink" you see, will likely be used, as well as pylons along the straights to keep speeds "legal" ;). I'm sure the lap times will be MUCH longer than typical DDT times!! :D ie: ~90 - 120 seconds, instead of ~60 - 70 seconds (guessing???).

[andrew1984]

Hey Tashko. Are you running on Sunday? GP has a new track toy! I will be there :cool:

[Tashko]

Yup, I'll be there. Hmm, maybe I should drop down to ESP then! What has GP gotten himself? I know he has some sticky tires to test out...:eek:

[Parker]

TLMC is a CASC club so you should be fine.

Should be... but still not certain, great lol. Ya I'm sure I'll be alright.

Are you heading over there Sunday morning? If so I'd be interested in driving over with you as I haven't been to Mosport before. Should probably be on the road for 6:20ish... let me know.

[shanehutton]

Can anyone guarantee that if I am there by say 8:30 I will be able to enter? I am not registered in the series.

[sjd]

Should be... but still not certain, great lol. Ya I'm sure I'll be alright.

Are you heading over there Sunday morning? If so I'd be interested in driving over with you as I haven't been to Mosport before. Should probably be on the road for 6:20ish... let me know.

I shouldn't have said should. :p

As Gary confirmed above as long as you are a member of a CASC club you'll be fine.

We are heading over Sunday morning. Arris and myself plus at least a couple more are leaving from Barrie for sure so you are more than welcome to join us.

[Cap'n Pete]

Can anyone guarantee that if I am there by say 8:30 I will be able to enter? I am not registered in the series.
I don't see there being a problem with having too many competitors. AndrewR obviously has the registration figures thus far, but obviously, there will be a lot of walk-ins too.

Based on past attendance figures that were discussed, I don't foresee a problem fitting everybody into the event at the DDT ;).

[AndrewR]

I don't see there being a problem with having too many competitors. AndrewR obviously has the registration figures thus far, but obviously, there will be a lot of walk-ins too.

Based on past attendance figures that were discussed, I don't foresee a problem fitting everybody into the event at the DDT ;).

If everyone came that is series registered, that would only be just over 60.

OMSC says they have lots of room for the "club" event

[StewPiddass]

"Convertibles must have roll bar???"

[Cap'n Pete]

If that's the case, then I'm sure we can squeeeeeez a few more people in there, day of ;).

[Gwoody27]

Registration will be open at 8:30.

Can anyone guarantee that if I am there by say 8:30 I will be able to enter? I am not registered in the series.

[sjd]

"Convertibles must have roll bar???"

I just saw this. I thought that since this is any autoslalom event and not a solosprint and I thought we were limited to autoslalom speeds making this safer than a solosprint.

3.2.23 Established Racing Facilities
Where the venue is suitable, an event may be held on a race track or kart track provided the layout used ensures risks to a competitor and their vehicle do not exceed the expectations (and abilities) of a potential Autoslalom competitor. Pylons (penalties) shall be used to direct competitors away from high curbs, soft ground ,rough terrain Or other dangerous obstacles.

If we aren't supposed to be exceeding autoslalom speeds why are roll bars required? Don't get me wrong, I know safety is paramount and I would never run a lapping day without a roll bar. I don't have one (beyond the factory bars, which aren't legally called roll bars) because I choose to do Solo2 this year not Solosprint and no one in Canada makes a simple bolt in bar for the 3rd gen MX-5 so I would need a custom one or ship one from AWR in California.

Can someone clarify this? I'm not making the trip only to find out I can't run.

[Black Shadow]

If we aren't supposed to be exceeding autoslalom speeds why are roll bars required?

Lawyers.

[Pete@Marcor]

Can someone clarify this? I'm not making the trip only to find out I can't run.

I don't know of an issue.

Where is this quote from?

[sjd]

It's on the OMSC entry form Pete.

[Gwoody27]

All, a quick note having spoken with the event organizer, it is clear that the sppeds will be autoslalom required speeds so normal CASC-OR Autoslalom rules are in effect. Therefore roll over bars are not required on cars in other than Mod classes. This has been agreed by all and the OMSC registration form refernce to convertables should only have been for MOD class cars.
Regards,
Gary Wood

I just saw this. I thought that since this is any autoslalom event and not a solosprint and I thought we were limited to autoslalom speeds making this safer than a solosprint.

3.2.23 Established Racing Facilities
Where the venue is suitable, an event may be held on a race track or kart track provided the layout used ensures risks to a competitor and their vehicle do not exceed the expectations (and abilities) of a potential Autoslalom competitor. Pylons (penalties) shall be used to direct competitors away from high curbs, soft ground ,rough terrain Or other dangerous obstacles.

If we aren't supposed to be exceeding autoslalom speeds why are roll bars required? Don't get me wrong, I know safety is paramount and I would never run a lapping day without a roll bar. I don't have one (beyond the factory bars, which aren't legally called roll bars) because I choose to do Solo2 this year not Solosprint and no one in Canada makes a simple bolt in bar for the 3rd gen MX-5 so I would need a custom one or ship one from AWR in California.

Can someone clarify this? I'm not making the trip only to find out I can't run.

[dubya_rx]

So what about Porsche 914 with "targa" tops that are in DMOD?

They are not allowed to run without roll bars?

Edit: Do I need to be concerned about the OMSC entry form if I'm registering for the regionals? Where is the OMSC entry form?

[sjd]

All, a quick note having spoken with the event organizer, it is clear that the sppeds will be autoslalom required speeds so normal CASC-OR Autoslalom rules are in effect. Therefore roll over bars are not required on cars in other than Mod classes. This has been agreed by all and the OMSC registration form refernce to convertables should only have been for MOD class cars.
Regards,
Gary Wood

That's great!

[CDNMadeHondaGuy]

Hey,

Thanks to Cap n and Tashko for summing it up. $40, no lunch AND no marshalling AND you get coffee and donuts in the morning. We have the most expenisive venue, ($3K!) as well as the most difficult to man due to the fact that OMSC, some OZC members and a few REAL GOOD FRIENDS are out for the day, rain or shine to marhsal for the competitors and put this on so everyone can have a great time. As a regular is a few different series I have had lunch included with a $30 entry, no lunch with a $35 dollar entry, one venue where the washroom is across the parking lot, down the street, through the lights and stand in line or the closet bush, but trying telling that to my better half that puts up with all of this! But you know what? Every club does it their way, and every club does a great job no matter what the circumstances and how they do their event. Bottom line, the PEOPLE that come out, the PEOPLE that put these events on MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE! No matter what I get from whatever event in whatever series, you will NEVER meet better people that are more genuine in your life. OMSC wants to continue with this event and this venue and sadly due to costs, we need to be the most costly for entry. The past years we have lost at least $1200/event and not being a business that can loose and in the current economy, we need to do whatever we can to at least break even. I know for me, I love this event, and St Lac/SPDA at Picton, and HADA's events and TLMC at the Molson Center. Every event has it's pro's and con's but event after event, the people are still there and still having a great time.

We would love to be able to take care of lunch and with 130 entrants we could, but that isn't the case, so we are doing the very best possible. We have arranaged with Mosport to have the Snack Bar at the Oval open and they will continue to keep it open provided they get enough business to make it viable for them. Likewise, I will continue to push the club exec to run this event even though it has been a money loser and why? Because it is worth while for the competitors! People make all the difference and I look forward to seeing all of you Sunday!

Coffee and donuts on OMSC! All the fun you can handle with your clothes on for $40 to boot!

Sorry for venting, but honestly, we are here to race, enjoy the course, the cars, the competition and the friendships. When I hear, "if I don't get this and that", well it just burns me up. When I started running a while ago, (what is this, the 26th season:eek:, am I that old??!!:D) we got what we got and had a blast. To be honest, with everything that is happening, gas prices the way they have been and how they could go, I would be thrilled beyond words if I could pull this off for another 26 seasons. Let's hope our sport will survive and grow, then we can chat about what's next to make the events that much more. But how can you top how good they have been? People are still the best, cars are still interesting and the passion is still there. As long as that stays the same, and the money is around, I'll be out and I'm sure most of you will be too.

Again, see ya Sunday. I'm fine now!!!!!:D:D:D:

[Doug Phillips]

Registration will be open at 8:30.

Hey Gary,

Although your statement is true I would like to point out that technically registration will also be open at 8 am until 9am.

Hope my car gets back together tommorrow or I will be looking for a ride!!! :(

[MarkTMV]

It looks like the helmet I was planning on using tomorrow will not be available (long story why). What are the chances on me being able to find a loaner helmet at the event?

[mikewolf]

How big is your head? I have an open face large helmet I can lend you.

[MarkTMV]

Thanks Mike, I usually fit XL or L. Unfortunately my car is open, so I guess I need a full-face helmet :(. I wonder if they'll let me run with it with motorcross goggles :rolleyes:.

[Parker]

I don't have a problem sharing my large helmet as long as you have a clean head lol. I'll be in a silver 350 with rediculously loud exhaust; name's Greg.

[MarkTMV]

Alright, looks like I'll be thoroughly washing my head tonite... haha
I'll find you at the track. I'll be the one with a U-haul and little motorcycle engined car.
Thanks

[Pete@Marcor]

So what about Porsche 914 with "targa" tops that are in DMOD?

They are not allowed to run without roll bars?

Edit: Do I need to be concerned about the OMSC entry form if I'm registering for the regionals? Where is the OMSC entry form?

As per 11.7 Roll-over protection
Roll-over protection is highly recommended for all open vehicles and is required for A & B modified vehicles and C & D modified vehicles having 16 preparation points or more.

[Cap'n Pete]

The course is set! I hear that a 2:27 is the time to beat ;).

See everyone there soon!! :)

[JazzMZ3]

Great event, really enjoyed it and looking forward to the next one!

Tom W.(#18)

[.Mad Hatter.]

Same here, I had a ton of fun, cheers to OMSC

[wikdslo]

Same here, I had a ton of fun, cheers to OMSC

I'll second that.

Thanks again OMSC and all the volunteers who helped out!

[JoeT]

Hey Bruce,

Great event, thanks. Luckilly we brought those extra cones.. LOL :p

[Doug Phillips]

Great day OMSC! Thanks

[Fentin_fury]

Well Done OMSC! Great time can't wait for the next one.

[Slowpoke]

The course is set! I hear that a 2:27 is the time to beat ;).

2:27, eh? Was that Barker? First run of the day had a 1:46.... ;-)

[Parker]

Amazing day, my front bumper wouldn't agree tho after mowing down cones at the top of 2nd gear! But i'm all smiles :D!

[Cap'n Pete]

2:27, eh? Was that Barker? First run of the day had a 1:46.... ;-)
By 1:46, do you mean 146 seconds? (as in, 2 min, 26 seconds?) ... that would be 1 second quicker than the 2:27 trial run, which was done in a Volvo wagon with snow tires on!!!! :eek: (yes ... it's true ... I was in the car when it happened!! :D)