Toyo Tires, JRP - ATTS Attack Time Trial Series

[JoeT]

Toyo Tires, JRP, Attack Time Trial Series

Hosted by SPDA

This unique event put's together 4 motorsports disciplines in one unique event, the only one of it's kind. No other time has a series been designed to incorporate 4 distinct disciplines using a simple series of rules, and using a common scoring system.

The unique outcome results in the series becoming more of a drivers event than a car event. Some cars are excellent for Drag Racing, but put those cars in a gymkhana and see what happens. Same goes for cars designed for Gymkhana, put those on a drag strip and the results are considerably different.

Add to those disciplines, a real "Time Attack" and a "Touge" and there you have the uniqueness of the ATTS!

June 6th 2009 brings the series to life with QA sessions and advanced registrations. Register in advance for the ability to win your share of over $10,000.00 worth of prizes for participating in the ATTS.

Event 1: June 27th 2009
Location: Barrie Molson Center
Event Name: Gymkhana
Entry Fee: $30.00

A high speed course layed out using cones, negotiate this course with the minimum of carnage and you gain points towards the ATTS series. Unlike a traditional Autoslalom or SoloII course, Gymkhana courses use less cones, are simpler in design, wider allowing the selection of racing lines. Plus you get unlimited runs during the morning to "get it right" before the single run compeition run in the afternoon.

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Download the rulebook and registration sheet by clicking here -> Click me and save me in your computer. (http://grindstonemotorsports.com/ATTS/ATTS2009.pdf)

Post your questions in the forum here -> Click me to get to the ATTS Q&A forum (http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4771&post_id=36040#forumpost36040)

CAR CLASSES

There are four classes in the ATTS series. You are in the highest class that applies to your car:

A Class – Street class
All cars shall be licensed to be driven on the street, driven to the event, rims and street tires shall not protrude beyond the fender, no suspension modifications, no internal engine work;
o Or a weight (lb) to horsepower ratio greater than 12:1 and tires with a tread wear rating of 140 or greater.

B Class – Street Prepared class
All requirements and allowances as A Class, with the addition of R-compound tires and bolt-on aftermarket suspension;
o Or a weight (lb) to horsepower ratio between 11.9:1 – 8.0:1 and tires with a tread wear rating of 50 or greater.

C Class – Street Modified class
All requirements and allowances from A Class and B Class, with the addition of internal engine modifications, cars must be street legal

D Class – Open Modified class
All cars transported on trailers, race cars, caged cars, non-street legal cars, etc.
Purpose built cars, tube chassis cars, cars classified as “Super cars” will automatically be classed in D – Open Modified class.

FAQ
What do I win?
Top 3 places for each class will receive a Trophy and product awards from the event sponsors. Stay tuned for the announcements. All awards are non-transferable, non-refundable, and expire at the end of 2010. To be eligible for awards, each competitor shall fulfill all contracted obligations between ATTS and the participating sponsor companies. 1st, 2nd, 3rd Prizes / Class + Door Prizes total greater than $10,000.00 in retail value.
How am I scored?
Your score is proportional to the fastest competitor in your class or the classes below.
Scoring will be based on a sliding point scale system:

*100 Points for 1st Place in class
*70 Points for 2nd Place in class
*60 Points for 3rd Place in class
*50 Points for 4th Place in class
*40 Points for 5th Place in class

*Note: 20 Points are deducted if competitors switch from tires indicated on the registration form or if tire brands / compound are changed at anytime during the series. Competitors may change classes based on tire choices for 0 penalty points.
How many drivers can share a car?
Two, cars with multiple drivers will be staggered to allow a minimum of 15 minutes between runs. 2nd driver must be in a higher class.
Do I have to help?
Yes, and the penalty is severe if you miss your assignments.

Can I carry a passenger?
Yes, during warm up or non competitive events, passengers are allowed in the vehicle provided that they sign the event waiver and are wearing a DOT Certified Helmet.
No. During competition, only the driver of the vehicle is allowed to be in the vehicle. Under certain circumstances, drivers maybe required to carry an assigned instructional coach in the car.

Once cleared by the instructional coach, ATTS competitors may carry passengers on “non-Competition” runs. Passengers must comply with all safety regulations regarding the event, including the supplemental rules. During competition runs, no passengers other than a certified ATTS instructional coach (as designated by the event stewards) are allowed.

Can I compete in a go-kart or kit car or?
This is for cars only, no open wheel or go-karts

Can I use nitrous?
No, nitrous is prohibited from being used in this event.

I have a question about registration?
Please send an email to atts at spda-online.ca or contact JRP for clarification.

I still have a question …
ATTS Championship manager, atts at spda-online.ca

[Parker]

Sounds like a blast. The Touge is going to be risky business though considering you don't have to have a race license or any track experience~

[Marsh]

How so? There's no passing, so it's just like any lapping day.

[Parker]

How so? There's no passing, so it's just like any lapping day.

Correct no passing; but the goal is to close the gap between you and the leader so when you do it's likely you're going to be playing chicken with their bumper in the slower corners so it doesn't open up as much again on the straights. Or is the gap at the start going to be so big that you won't catch them? Sounds fun either way, just a little riskeh! I can't wait.

[13inches]

I think the starting gap was mentioned somewhere as 75m. I'd think you could safely close to 30 meters or so and win while not putting any bumpers in jeopardy.

[Maddog]

Not a problem for me since I have spare bumpers....and spare doors, fenders. :D

[yellowhotshoe]

Joe, before I seriously consider this (and approach my wife for MORE money:rolleyes:) where would my Cobra be classed?

My assumption based on your description would be in the Street Modified Class - its driven, not trailered to the track and definitely no 'Super Car'.

[JoeT]

Joe, before I seriously consider this (and approach my wife for MORE money:rolleyes:) where would my Cobra be classed?

My assumption based on your description would be in the Street Modified Class - its driven, not trailered to the track and definitely no 'Super Car'.

Correct, street mod...

BTW: Not much money is required.

ATTS: Event 1 = 30 bucks, Barrie
ATTS: Event 2 = 75 Bucks, Mosport DDT(which includes all the lapping you can possibly want to do.
ATTS: Event 3 = 75 Bucks, Dunville Autodrome (Which includes tons of lapping as well).
ATTS: Event 4 = TMP (proposed, still waiting for JRP to finalize the deal)

Pretty cheap eh, thanks to our friends at Toyo Tires, their money was used to directly offset the cost of competition.

[yellowhotshoe]

The cost of the events are really reasonable! It's the extras....another set of tires. I'm pretty sure the A6's wouldn't last very long in this series, so I would have to buy another set of rubber. Since its a Toyo sponsored series....

[Caveman]

A6 & R6 have a tread rating of 40 rules state a tread rating of 50 or higher to run in street mod and street prepared and 140 or greater to run in street . at least with high power to weight ratios
I need different tires as well. or a cage:D

[JoeT]

A6 & R6 have a tread rating of 40 rules state a tread rating of 50 or higher to run in street mod and street prepared and 140 or greater to run in street
I need different tires as well. or a cage:D

Have you guys downloaded the rule books?

Class D is for cars that are race prepped or "cars with cages", or fully gutted cars, or cars that are trailered. If you don't have a cage and you drive it on the street and you have an interior, and you're modded to high heaven, you belong in C class.. LOL

The rules aren't as tight as the solosprint rules, they were meant to be guidelines, so that anyone with any car can enter. The spirit is, all race cars can race with "race cars" and all "street cars" can race with street cars.. LOL

Hope this helps.

[max attack]

So can I put some upholstry in mine and unload around the corner and run in the street class?.:D

I'm running toyo's,any contingency for the tire alone if you don't win?.Just askin' is all.

Also is there a drag race event for sure? I have the same problem as the subaru guys,weak axles and rear diff so....gonna score 3 out of 4 events?.;)

[Caveman]

hay max how many little cars can you fit in you trailer?
Dunville is relay far with 3.93 gears:D
ill pay gas

and Ive read the rules like five times trying to figure out how not to run in mod (class d) as my suspension is stockish

so far i think im making door skins. and dose anybody have asbestos sheets to make a carpet out of? ;)

[mikewolf]

Am I going to be the only one in open class?

[Caveman]

don't worry mike im thinking a bought running in open class just have to find someone to make me a bar

[yellowhotshoe]

Hmmmm, maybe D Class could be fun? Then I could buy another set of A6's to finish out the Regionals and have some stick left to fend off Tashko & Mike this year :rolleyes:

[max attack]

Don't worry Mike I think I'll make it out,seems like a fun series.

I'm afraid I'll get slaughtered in the open class if anything decently prepped with hoosiers shows up.

Caveman-3.93 gears are really tall compared to mine.:)

Sorry the trailer can only fit 1 car,its also towed by a ford so.....;)

[Mr2Rob]

Any issue with entering only 2 events with no intention to run the other 2?

Also, my MR-2 would fit into B-class if it had plates as it only has aftermarket exhaust system and suspension, but we're trailering it to save on insurance...any leniency on the rules or are we bound for D-class?

[JoeT]

Answers:

Tom:
The drag event still shows no final date since JRP is still negotiating with TMP for the drag. But the way the points are staggered, if you win 3 out of 4 and miss the drags or get in the top 5 for the drags, you may end up winning overall.

Contingency for tires alone, there's a significant points bonus for running the spec tire. There will be more announced as more sponsors come on board, but that's something to consider. Oh, this series counts towards the SPDA contingency program which rewards "tires only" if you're an SPDA member.

Rob:
The requirment to run in B class is the ability to be street legal. There is leniency since this is designed to be a "non serious" series. More fun than anything for the first year. It's an intro event, and as long as it passes tech inspect for classing then it's good to go.

As far as running only 2 events, that's ok too, you still get trophies for the top 3 places for each event, plus points towards the entire series. Now figure this, if you run 2 out of 4 and JRP never gets the deal with TMP, then your points maybe enough to take a class win. So go for the gusto!!

Yellowhotshoe:

Stay in D class... I want to chase you down in the Touge.. muahahahahah.. Even with Toyo R888's.

[mikewolf]

Don't worry Mike I think I'll make it out,seems like a fun series.

I'm afraid I'll get slaughtered in the open class if anything decently prepped with hoosiers shows up.

Caveman-3.93 gears are really tall compared to mine.:)

Sorry the trailer can only fit 1 car,its also towed by a ford so.....;)

I won't be on my hoosiers. The DOT tire rule means I'll have to run on something else. It's too bad since I have 3 sets of slicks to go through this season. I am hoping to pick up some cheap RA1's since it is the spec tire. I suppose I could get a few sets of A6's or 710's and wear out a set on each of the time attack and Touge days $$$$.

[AW11_4AGZE]

Hmm, no internal engine work on mine... Everything bolts to it. :D

Suspension seems in check... :cool:

That lbs/hp... Race weight? Calculated flywheel? I know its all for fun (I love that it's not so strict) just looking for a ballpark.

I hope I can fix the car by then. If so, Ill see you all there :)

[JoeT]

Hmm, no internal engine work on mine... Everything bolts to it. :D

Suspension seems in check... :cool:

That lbs/hp... Race weight? Calculated flywheel? I know its all for fun (I love that it's not so strict) just looking for a ballpark.

I hope I can fix the car by then. If so, Ill see you all there :)

The Lbs/HP is an "Or" if you it's to class underpowerd cars in the correct spot. So select a class through your mods OR by Lbs / HP (Flywheel).

Get yer car fixed and come out to play.

[Maddog]

I'll be in open mod also.

[yellowhotshoe]

Joe, I expect the Touge to be a lot like the Regional at the DDT...and I didn't see you ANYWHERE in my mirror. Oh, that's right...it only looks back 5 seconds :D

Maybe what I should do to even it out is to run on 888's. So, let me know what sponsors we have that sell them - and how we qualify for the racer discount. Do we need to show our entry?

If I'm going to do this series, I'll need all the points bonuses I can get...

[JoeT]

Joe, I expect the Touge to be a lot like the Regional at the DDT...and I didn't see you ANYWHERE in my mirror. Oh, that's right...it only looks back 5 seconds :D

Maybe what I should do to even it out is to run on 888's. So, let me know what sponsors we have that sell them - and how we qualify for the racer discount. Do we need to show our entry?

If I'm going to do this series, I'll need all the points bonuses I can get...


Bwahahahahah.... No excuses for me at the DDT other than "brain fade". But the gloves are off now. To recieve the racer discount, you have to register at teamtoyo.ca and register to get your discount code in the club section you must put SPDA-ATTS as the club and they will verify with me.

That will be valid for 1 year and will entitle you to the racer discounts. For sponsors to the event, you'll have to look click the link in my sig (below), it'll be pretty evident.

Hope this helps.

[Taylor]

Hi Joe, sorry, I don't want to create a forum account for just this question.

First off, sounds like a really neat series that could be lots of fun. Nice to see some variety.

For the Time Attack, would I require a roll bar? (Yeah I know it's preferred, join the club... I'd probably just drive 8/10ths for the points and lapping (This is all so cheap it's like throwing money away not to try it all. :p)

[sjd]

Hi Joe, sorry, I don't want to create a forum account for just this question.

First off, sounds like a really neat series that could be lots of fun. Nice to see some variety.

For the Time Attack, would I require a roll bar? (Yeah I know it's preferred, join the club... I'd probably just drive 8/10ths for the points and lapping (This is all so cheap it's like throwing money away not to try it all. :p)

I was wondering this as well.

[JoeT]

These are excerpts from the ASN Canada FIA lapping regulations which we're following:


Roll Over Protection – Roll Bars and Roll Cages’
1. Roll-over protection guidelines can be found in the ASN Canada FIA
AutoSlalom Appendices.
2. Roll Over protection installations are subject to the inspection of the Chief Scrutineer.
3. Roll over protection is required for Modified category vehicles and all open wheel
vehicles, and is highly recommended for open top vehicles (convertibles).
4. Event supplementary regulations may require roll over protection for open top
vehicles (convertibles) at certain tracks.

[msix]

Joe, I am thinking of just doing that first event on June 27th as I plan on being there at the Regional event the next day. With other words, I will not be doing the whole series, do I still need to pre-register for the ATTS or can I just show up for that one day and register on site.

I just want to mess with the 'D' class a little bit .... :D

[TOYSRUS]

The word "or" is confusing me Joe.... for example if I have a car that conforms to all the primary "A" Class criteria but has a horsepower ratio of lets say 10:1 is it still in "A" class?

[JoeT]

The word "or" is confusing me Joe.... for example if I have a car that conforms to all the primary "A" Class criteria but has a horsepower ratio of lets say 10:1 is it still in "A" class?

Yes..

Just keep in mind the spirit of the rule, if you have a dyno chart and your mods are craaaazy, you can default to the lowest common denominator, provided you meet the main criteria which is "Street Legal".

[TOYSRUS]

ok, then...just to be crystal clear......BONE STOCK Elise (Lotus)..."A" Class??

[JoeT]

ok, then...just to be crystal clear......BONE STOCK Elise (Lotus)..."A" Class??

In the car classification list at the back of the manual (Page 19): Basically C-Class, page 19 / 20

Elise falls under the "bump up rules" stock or otherwise.


Street Modified Class:

Acura:
All models

BMW:
All models

Chevrolet:
C5 & C6 Corvette, Z06 & Calloway

Chrysler/Dodge :
Viper

Ferrari:
All models except F40, F50, 360, 430, Enzo

Ford:
Mustang Cobra, Cobra R, Saleen

Lamborghini:
All models expect Gallardo, Murciélago, Diablo

Lotus:
All models

Mitsubishi:
All models

Nissan:
Skyline

Porsche:
Current 911 carreras & Targas, 911 turbo, GT2, GT3, except Carrera GT

Subaru:
All models

Toyota:
Supra TT

Open Modified Class:
All vehicle models built from a model originally produced for legal street use in North America, Europe or
Japan.

[Marsh]

I just noticed that the rules require roll bars for convertibles, but it doesn't specify for which events.

I assume that I can run the gymkhana without a bar as long as it's installed for the other events? And what about the drag? I know St. Thomas doesn't require bars, but they do have a silly obsession with the top being up.

[Taylor]

I just noticed that the rules require roll bars for convertibles, but it doesn't specify for which events.

Well according to what Joe posted earlier today the time attack is following lapping guidelines in which case convertibles it's only "recommended".

As for drag, I remember TMP let me drag my S2K back in 2000 without a helmet. But yeah, top up. Now if I had NOS I had to wear a helmet. I'm assuming we're going to be more safety concious than "top up, no helmet".

Miata's.. well I think you guys are nuts. I might be a few inches over the roll hoop.. but at least there's a roll hoop. :)

Actually chances of me running the event without supplimentary safety are slim (as it is I think I have date conflicts with two of the events anyhow) but I just want to make sure in case I change my mind (meaning, I'm winning shit and I want overall. :p)

[max attack]

Cool no handbrake 360's,makes me happy as the e-brake hardware is long gone-that stuff is heavy.:)

[sjd]

Miata's.. well I think you guys are nuts. I might be a few inches over the roll hoop.. but at least there's a roll hoop. :)


Mine has roll hoops (as do all 06+ models) but I don't think I am comfortable running on a track with them.

[JoeT]

With regards to roll bars in "non Modified" class, meaning A, B and C classes.

Gymkhana - Not required
Touge - Not required
We're meeting as a group to discuss, most likely there will be an amendment to the rules. We're incorporating a couple of changes to classifications.

We'll issue a new revised rule book shortly.

Thanks for the input guys, this is great.

[Rampant WS6]

This sounds like a good event for my car.

Not sure if my car would fall into C or D. Is the lbs/hp allowed to be significantly lower than 8 in C?:D

[JoeT]

This sounds like a good event for my car.

Not sure if my car would fall into C or D. Is the lbs/hp aloud to be significantly lower than 8 in C?:D


Send me a PM with your mods, and I can help class you.

[yellowhotshoe]

Any more details (time etc) for the JRP open House next Saturday?

[max attack]

Hey Bill are you driving the elise or dragging the half a car to Barrie as well?.

[Caveman]

Joe
As I know your thinking bought passably changing some of the classing rules. I need to request an amendment.

I need to ask what performance gains are from removing 5 lbs of door skin and maybe 20 lbs of carpet / underlay unless wet then maybe 50lbs:p

I could understand if the doors were gutted and skinned but if working mechanisms and windows ???
If all sharp and or protruding edges are covered or removed whats the problem.

And for the carpet the performance gains of removing it are out weighed by the safety factor. we run are cars very hard.
most of us have catalytic converters. Thay get real HOT!!! I have seen melted carpet and repaired melted center consoles. if there not there thay cant burn. right?

So I don't understand why removing the comfort items puts you straight to d class??? like I said I do understand the removal/ gutting of metal / mechanical parts.

As these stipulations are written it automatically puts Jenny's cavalier in open mod. Hell its lucky to run competitively in class b 160 hp and 2600 + lbs Auto. It also has Stock replacement suspension. However it has a Very Smooth Beer Delivery Driver ;)

Customers get upset with shaken beer :(


Thanks

[JoeT]

Hi All,

I'll be answering the PM's and questions later today.. Sorry, been swamped with rules and stuff.

Rob,

With regards to gutted interiors, normally people do mods in a gentle fashion, as in, start with Tires, then they get suspension, then they get crazy and add power adders (Cams, Intake, etc. etc. etc.), then after all that, they get rid of weight, when they get serious for racing.

This event was not designed for you and I, it's designed for "fun" first, and the majority of the participants will not be like the CASC folks with regards to track time. Meaning a gutted Cavalier can potentially and most likely beat some fancy show car with huge engine, big wing etc.

These classes may not be the most fair, but then again there are only 4 classes, and I can guarantee you'll have the best time of your life in competiton. Remember, it's more than just 1 event, it's 4 and you need points across the board to win.

Hope this helps clarify... We'll figure something out, like putting her in C class as a bump up, that one is easy to explain, or if she comes out with a dyno chart from any dyno place, then we can class her under the "OR" Lbs / HP classification because that provides proof that her car is as fast as a Civic SI by Weight to HP ratio.

[isopropyl]

Where would a girl go to get a dyno chart at a good cost??

[JoeT]

Lots of places actually.

Japanese-Automotive has a Dynapac 2wd
PUR Automotive has a Mustang 2wd
Neetronics has a AWD Dynojet
Fourstar has an AWD Dynapac
Plus a few more that I can't remember.

PUR Auto owes me some favours though.. LOL

[Caveman]

Ok I do agree but dang now i have to get two cages installed:rolleyes:

I realy wanted to get some suspsion for the seven :mad:
O well safty first.

with the cavalier we dont want to put in just a roll bar but a Targa classed cage.
it seems kinda counter produtive to do it twice and cant afford the targa cage yet:(

ill look for interiour fuzzy stuff for her
Custom stuff OK?
thanks

and could you pm me the contact info of you choice of dynos
kind wonder what my littel 305 puts out to :)

[JoeT]

Rob,

Use the "or" rule and put back some door panels and stick down some floormats, you'll be good to go in the class that your dyno chart shows.

No one is asking you to put in a cage in your car, you don't have a convertible.

Hope this helps.

Ok I do agree but dang now i have to get two cages installed:rolleyes:

I realy wanted to get some suspsion for the seven :mad:
O well safty first.

with the cavalier we dont want to put in just a roll bar but a Targa classed cage.
it seems kinda counter produtive to do it twice and cant afford the targa cage yet:(

ill look for interiour fuzzy stuff for her
Custom stuff OK?
thanks

and could you pm me the contact info of you choice of dynos
kind wonder what my littel 305 puts out to :)

[Caveman]

cool she will be happy!:D cool thank you
I'm putting one in mine anyway i want to run my shoulder straps
and all hi 11 low 12 sec cars should have one:p maybe lower with traction :D
are 0 tread ware tires allowed???;) M/T ET Street Radial:D

[JoeT]

cool she will be happy!:D cool thank you
I'm putting one in mine anyway i want to run my shoulder straps
and all hi 11 low 12 sec cars should have one:p maybe lower with traction :D
are 0 tread ware tires allowed???;) M/T ET Street Radial:D

50 Treadwear or greater. No slicks allowed, that would get us into a tons of red tape.

[Caveman]

I don't want them but thay are DOT drag tires Its what shawn runs at barrie
what a bought all the 40 tread tires like 710's r6 a6 and v214's im looking at a set of toyo's anyway but whats the deal with that only semi premium "R"s aloud?

[JoeT]

I don't want them but thay are DOT drag tires Its what shawn runs at barrie
what a bought all the 40 tread tires like 710's r6 a6 and v214's im looking at a set of toyo's anyway but whats the deal with that only semi premium "R"s aloud?

Figure this... You have to use the same tires for every event. Imagine what would happen if you used V710's or Hoosier R6's and it rained. Even on Hankook Z214 you're foobared if it rained hard.

There are 4 events that you have to use the same brand and model of tire. Like I said before it's the equalizer. Now here's the 2nd part of the equation how many premium tires come with a tread pattern that would work in both rain and dry.

The reason we want 1 set of tires is to keep cost down for everyone. If we were to allow different tires for different events in the series, then the equalizer would be gone.. No?

That's why "non premium" tires are prescribed. There are some good ones out there with tread that'll let you run in any weather all summer. Kumho V700 Victoracers and V70A, Toyo R888's, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup (I think that's what they're called), Yokohama A048's, Pirelli's etc. etc. etc.

[Caveman]

OK fine then back to the Copper Cobras 265 50 15 & 225 50 15 440 tread ware but relay big:D

[Marsh]

50 Treadwear or greater. No slicks allowed, that would get us into a tons of red tape.

Oh please. V710's are 30 tread wear. That's a Toyo rule.

[JoeT]

Oh please. V710's are 30 tread wear. That's a Toyo rule.

Don't mix the 50 Treadwear rule vs the "non-DOT" slicks rule. It's the Non-DOT slicks which will get us into more red tape that we don't want to get into.

[Rampant WS6]

My Mickey Thompson drag radials are a 200 tread wear:eek:

[JoeT]

My Mickey Thompson drag radials are a 200 tread wear:eek:


Perfect.. lol

[Caveman]

I looked at a set of ET Streets yesterday trac c temp c treadware 0:eek:
very gummy sitting there

My Mickey Thompson drag radials are a 200 tread wear:eek:

[TOYSRUS]

Hey Bill are you driving the elise or dragging the half a car to Barrie as well?.

If the Elise was in "A" class I would work on trying to get ahold of one.....its a shame the MR1.5 can't be classed via the lb/hp rule since it scores a class friendly 16.1 :rolleyes:

I am thinking about talking Zoomiatainto letting me drive his '93 Vette or talk my co-driver into bringing the Civic...that way I can run KOTH, the ATTS in "A", and then the regional.

[JoeT]

If the Elise was in "A" class I would work on trying to get ahold of one.....its a shame the MR1.5 can't be classed via the lb/hp rule since it scores a class friendly 16.1 :rolleyes:

I am thinking about talking Zoomiatainto letting me drive his '93 Vette or talk my co-driver into bringing the Civic...that way I can run KOTH, the ATTS in "A", and then the regional.

Hey Bill,

If you can supply a Dyno Chart for the Elise you can use the "Or" rule to get it to the appropriate place. Please note though, Elise comes stock out of the factory with Yokohama A048's which may put it in B class.

Will that help?

[Rampant WS6]

How many potential 10 sec cars would there be in C class?;)

[sjd]

Oh please. V710's are 30 tread wear. That's a Toyo rule.

I like that a series aimed at new competitors doesn't allow V710's or A6's. And if it is Toyo's rule, well, they are a sponsor.

[Burnsey]

This sounds like an awesome event - won't likely be driving but will be there with camera in hand...

[JoeT]

How many potential 10 sec cars would there be in C class?;)


I believe there will be 2 others, but only 1 of them can do it using R888's.

Updated rules incorporating the input from here have been uploaded. Please see the original post or click here: ATTS2009 Updated Rules (http://grindstonemotorsports.com/ATTS/ATTS2009.pdf)

Thanks

[TOYSRUS]

Hey Bill,

If you can supply a Dyno Chart for the Elise you can use the "Or" rule to get it to the appropriate place. Please note though, Elise comes stock out of the factory with Yokohama A048's which may put it in B class.

Will that help?

Thanks Joe:) The Elise would be a long shot to secure.....I CAN provide dyno charts for th3 Mr1.5 however:D

[JoeT]

Thanks Joe The Elise would be a long shot to secure.....I CAN provide dyno charts for th3 Mr1.5 however

You're a funny man sometimes.. bwahahahaha...

If you can make it street legal, I'll try to see where it'll fit. :D :cool: :p :)

[Caveman]

So what time at JRP on Saturday?

[TOYSRUS]

you're a funny man sometimes.. Bwahahahaha...

If you can make it street legal, i'll try to see where it'll fit. :d :cool: :p :)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

now that's funny!!!!

[TOYSRUS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7R_buZPSo

Hey Joe, Is the course going to be similar to this??

[JoeT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7R_buZPSo

Hey Joe, Is the course going to be similar to this??

Yup, we'll bring the water baloons, container cranes, and heavy equipment, along with dummies on chairs. Man oh man, Ken Block has too much fun, I wish I had a job like his... LOL

[JoeT]

Hi All,

ATTS-online.ca is now alive and kicking... Rules & regs have all been posted there.

Registration information will be posted shortly but you'll be able to register online or in person at JRP.

Cost for registration is 25 bucks, this will be applied to the event cost. Example, if you register for the series, we'll take your 25 bucks and apply it to the first event you attend.

Example: Registration fee 25 bucks
Atts Event 2 Cost: 75 bucks,
Actual Cost for registration for event 2 = 50 bucks (since you've paid 25 bucks in advance)

In other words, we don't charge a registration fee to attend.. LOL

This event is being underwitten by Toyo Tires, and that's the main reason the event fees are so inexpensive.

JRP Registration time: June 6th 2009 - from 1:00 - 4:00 PM, please download the current rule book from www.atts-online.ca and fill in the registration information and bring it with you to JRP.

Online registration instructions will be posted on the ATTS site on Friday evening.

Due to demand, we may limit the entries to 100 confirmed competitors. Non series registered people may attend and participate in the practice sessions for the same price as the event.

Sincere Regards

Joe T

See ya'll at the track!!! It's Time!!!

[JoeT]

http://www.attacktime.ca/championship.htm

Event fees / and locations:

Visit the link above for the google maps links:

GYMKHANA
Event 1: June 27, 2009
Registration Fee: $30.00 / competitor, Spectators Free
Registration: 8:30 - 9:30 am
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: Barrie Molson Center - 555 Bayview Dr, Barrie, ON L4N
Google Map of Barrie Molson Center

Time Attack
Event 2: July 26th 2009
Registration Fee: $75.00 / Competitor, Spectators Free
Registration: 8:30 - 9:30 am
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: Mosport DDT - 3233 Concession Road #10, RR #5, Bowmanville, Ontario
Google Map of Mosport DDT

Touge
Event 3: August 29th 2009
Registration Fee: $75.00 / Competitor, Spectators Free
Registration: 8:30 - 9:30 am
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: Dunville Autodrome - 536 Regional Road 11, Dunnville, Ontario, Canada
Google Map of Dunville Autodrome

DRAG
Event 4: Proposed Date, September 26, 2009
Registration Fee: TBD, Spectators Free
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: St. Thomas Dragway
Google Map of St. Thomas Dragway

[JoeT]

Update:

Title: ATTS Current Registrations & QA Forum Announcement

Hi All,

Please find attached the latest list of registrations for the ATTS.

Statistics:
A Class = 4 Cars
B Class = 12 Cars
C Class = 9 Cars
D Class = 7 Cars

Manufacturers:
A Class = Mazda, Honda, Volvo
B Class = Mazda, Subaru, Lotus, Ford
C Class = Subaru, DSM, Pontiac, Datsun, Mazda
D Class = RX7/ Chev, Mazda, Pontiac, MBW, Subaru Toyota

Club Challenge: If you're a member of a certain club, we want to know this. Space Permitting, if you have a competitor from a club that's attending the ATTS, please let us know. We'll make extra effort to locate you and your competitors in close proximity. Support your club, send in your list and we'll provide you with VIP access. There is no charge for the access.

Also, the ATTS-QA forums have been activated on the SPDA site, this will provide people with a forum to ask questions related to the ATTS, plus there's no need to sign up for an account, you can remain anonymous.

Click here for the forums -> http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=38

Click on the image below to blow up to full size.
http://spda-online.ca/uploads/forums/3_4a2d35b7e09db.jpg

[JoeT]

Current Registrations as of yesterday:
http://spda-online.ca/uploads/forums/3_4a30f1f94cbd3.jpg

[Rampant WS6]

A question on the drag racing event.

Do we have to follow the IHRA safety rules?

ie anything below 11.5 sec requires:

-IHRA 6 point rollbar
-SFI bell housing for manual transmissions
-SFI fire jacket, just one of the cheap ones though
-a drive shaft loop
-I also recall afterrmarket axles, wheel studs and open nuts but that may only be for slicks

Just a heads up for anyone with a car that fast. They will and have given me the boot for those.

[Rampant WS6]

Just looked it up.

All previously mentioned is required, aftermarket axles and axle retention devices, fire exstinguisher, SFI 16.1 harness with in the 2 years the stamped date.

Here is a link to the rule book and it is on page 74-75.

http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m=1203&l=1

[Fentin_fury]

we will wait to hear from Joe on this. Otherwise it will be a bracket race:)

[Rampant WS6]

we will wait to hear from Joe on this. Otherwise it will be a bracket race:)

I am good to go 10.00's after that I'll need more stuff.:eek:

[max attack]

I've never dragged my car,online calculator says it could do an 12.00 so I shouldn't have anything to worry about.

[Rampant WS6]

I've never dragged my car,online calculator says it could do an 12.00 so I shouldn't have anything to worry about.

You need a M2000 helmet or better and you are good to go then. :)

[JoeT]

Hi All,

With regards to the drag race, here's the little kicker... Track prep (syrup) will be minimal, and it's intended to run as close to simulated street as possible. Since ASN / FIA / CASC-OR does not have rules regarding drag racing, we'll have to rely on the rules provided by the local track. At this point in time, it's a toss up between St. Thomas and TMP.

Every effort will be made to ensure compliance with the local rules, and they will be published early enough for people to comply.

Drag will be run "pseudo bracket style" by class. Remember, it's cumulative points for all 4 events, some cars I can guarantee will not be good at the track / gymkhana events but will kick royal "azz" on the drags, but in the grand scheme of things, it's just a bunch of points for a single event.

If I were one of the competitors, I'd be focusing on placing in the top 5 consistently in all of the events, so that when it comes to your weak event, it won't matter as much.

Hope this helps.

[max attack]

Good to hear about a less sticky track for the drags,my itty bitty ring and pinion thanks you sir.

How about you get a truckload of the track tack for the molson center?;)

[AW11_4AGZE]

Yikes, I think my little mr2 is going to get stomped on the drag racing ;).

[JoeT]

My big heavy family sedan will be left in the dust too.. LOL

[Caveman]

Now that event i might do well at:D
It will be interesting to see how quick it is

[Maddog]

My big heavy family sedan will be left in the dust too.. LOL
AWD won't help you either. :rolleyes:

[Rampant WS6]

I like lots of track prep, though my ring and pinion do not agree;)

I guess I'll have to make it up at the big end!:D

We seem to be giving AWD all the advantages over a strong RWD set up. Did AWD not have enough advantages already? Must be a Subbie thing, lol.

[JoeT]

[trash talk /on]

You guys are funny... AWD is slow in drags, except for 2 people, I don't know of any Subie that goes lower than 13's in the 1/4. Yes we're ok at the 60 foot times, but the ET's are not that great, you guys will walk over every subie except for 1 in the drags.

But then again, the 1 subie that'll do well in the drags has a locked rear and front diff which means it'll suck at the other 3 events.

Psyche psyche psyche... muahahahah

Plus the entire event is designed to not favour any car, really.. :D:p

[trash talk / off]

[Rampant WS6]

I just want the fastest drag time and will have to pay in penalties to have a chance. I need a 27" tire so I do not max out at 125 mph at the 900ft mark. I expect to be trapping in the 131-134 range this year. So I'll need to use my MT DR's that are 27.2" diameter instead for the 25.6" of the Toyos.

All is good, I want to see what the old low tech push rod, NA, powered, solid axle beast can do against all the forced induction new tech stuff in the various challenges.:D

I did get my Toyos yesterday and they are going to look mean. They are the biggest tire I have ever tried on the front of the car. It should look like a steam roller.

[AW11_4AGZE]

All is good, I want to see what the old low tech push rod, NA, powered, solid axle beast can do against all the forced induction new tech stuff in the various challenges.:D


The only replacement for cubic inches is cubic dollars ? ;)
Good ol' SBC's. My nieghbours is pushing 1000+ whp and got into the 8's. It's a BEAST.

Rampart, did you replace your wheel studs? I know some firebirds in the 10's that have had some... issues... Though if there is less stick on the track, it shouldn't hook so hard.

Damn, that must be this thing called torque that I dont have :D

[Rampant WS6]

The only replacement for cubic inches is cubic dollars ? ;)
Good ol' SBC's. My nieghbours is pushing 1000+ whp and got into the 8's. It's a BEAST.

Rampart, did you replace your wheel studs? I know some firebirds in the 10's that have had some... issues... Though if there is less stick on the track, it shouldn't hook so hard.

Damn, that must be this thing called torque that I dont have :D

I would be happy with a 1.7 60ft, it has gone 1.47 on a DOT biasply with my older smaller motor:eek:

It may be a small block LSx but it displaces 7.5l as in 455ci.:D

As for torque on the engine dyno it made 642+lb.ft at 4500rpm and 550 at 3500rpm NA.

Did your neighbor make that hp NA or spray it?


I replaced the wheel studs in 2005 with ARPs. I have no idea what it will do in this trim, I do know what I hope it will do.;) The car is not running yet but is getting closer. In 05/06/07 I broke everything in the driveline including most of the aftermarket parts.

It looks like Ray and I will be carrying the Pontiac flag into battle.

[JoeT]

It looks like Ray and I will be carrying the Pontiac flag into battle.

If you'd like we'll pair you guys up in the same parking area so you can represent GM..

Make sure you get a nice easy up with the Pontiac Flag. OniJDM will be bringing 2 Mitsu Evo's and representing that, Miata's will be there representing as well, it'll be nice from a crowd appeal perspective to see the respective brands represented and grouped accordingly. Plus it'll put a bit of team competition spirit into the "games".. LOL

[AW11_4AGZE]

Did your neighbor make that hp NA or spray it?


One big turbo. Its only ~409 ci I believe. Built obviously. Oh and its independent rear. :S

Sounds like you have a beast too. I can't wait to hear it!

Now if I could just finish work on my car.

[Rampant WS6]

One big turbo. Its only ~409 ci I believe. Built obviously. Oh and its independent rear. :S


That is seriously nuts!

Sounds like you have a beast too. I can't wait to hear it!

It actually sounds very tame IMO. Idles low and has very little lump to the cam, though it is a really big cam. the ITB intake really tamed it.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/LS7-455-with-a-Harrop_205445.htm

Now if I could just finish work on my car.

I hear that, and have been for the last 19 months now.

I am really looking forward to bringing it out. I will have a ton of motor and suspension sorting to do.

[Rampant WS6]

Plus it'll put a bit of team competition spirit into the "games".. LOL

Absolutely, which always makes it more fun.:D

[Caveman]

Do tin / diamond plate door skins count?
Or should I go Shag?
Decisions decisions
how bought rubber floor cover as carpet (truck bed liner stuff)?

[Tashko]

Woohoo! Almost crazy weekend time in Barrie! :D

Anybody have an idea if any of the regular TLMC'ers are going to come out and play on Saturday along with Sunday? It'll be an awesome double-header if they did!

I didn't see this in the thread but just in case some of you cone dodgers want to try the other events in the series, here's the no effort low down:


GYMKHANA
Event 1: June 27, 2009
Registration Fee: $30.00 / competitor, Spectators Free
Registration: 8:30 - 9:30 am
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: Barrie Molson Center - 555 Bayview Dr, Barrie, ON L4N


Time Attack
Event 2: July 26th 2009
Registration Fee: $75.00 / Competitor, Spectators Free
Registration: 8:30 - 9:30 am
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: Mosport DDT - 3233 Concession Road #10, RR #5, Bowmanville, Ontario


Touge
Event 3: August 29th 2009
Registration Fee: $75.00 / Competitor, Spectators Free
Registration: 8:30 - 9:30 am
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: Dunville Autodrome - 536 Regional Road 11, Dunnville, Ontario, Canada


DRAG
Event 4: Proposed Date, September 26, 2009
Registration Fee: TBD, Spectators Free
Mandatory Drivers Meeting: 9:30 - 10:00
Practice runs: 10:00 - 12:30
Competition runs: 1:00 - Finish
Awards: 4:30 PM
Location: St. Thomas Dragway

[AW11_4AGZE]

Yeah, Im doing the Sat and Sunday! Can't miss a TLMC event with the car getting ever so closer to FTD.

[max attack]

Yeah, Im doing the Sat and Sunday! Can't miss a TLMC event with the car getting ever so closer to FTD.


I'll be there making sure you earn it,I think you should have 3 sets of tires so each driver gets to drive on cold ones like me.;):D

[AW11_4AGZE]

I'll be there making sure you earn it,I think you should have 3 sets of tires so each driver gets to drive on cold ones like me.;):D

Our hands are full of blood, sweat and grease.... You just need more people to drive your car! It is going to be one awesome weekend.

[JoeT]

Advanced Registrations as of June 15th

http://spda-online.ca/uploads/forums/3_4a37044d388ec.jpg

[Rampant WS6]

Cool nice to see the Wong's signed up too. More V8 American Iron/aluminum :D

[max attack]

Hey how'd Paul end up in D class?:)

Paul I'll let you take a run in my car if you go to C class.:D

Ha ha funny Tim,I surprisingly manged to completely build my car without getting an ounce of grease on me or even 1 drop of sweat.;)

[mikewolf]

Paul's running A6's so he has to run in D class. I tried to convince him to run something else so he could switch classes.

[max attack]

Paul's running A6's so he has to run in D class. I tried to convince him to run something else so he could switch classes.


Ahh,right forgot about that.Pretty sure I'm getting a whopping from him in the 1st event(maybe from others to:))but those A6's might not be too happy on track-not too mention they'll just get cooked and be no good for the next solo event-Paul are you listening?.:D

[Caveman]

O what should I run for tires?:confused:
still have not decided.:rolleyes:

[JoeT]

O what should I run for tires?:confused:
still have not decided.:rolleyes:

There are 4 events, not all tires are good for all events:

Gymkhana (cold tires with lots of slippage, aka Autocross)
Time Attack: Warm Tires higher speed
Touge: Cold tires -> transition to warm tires like a Solo 1.5
Drag: Non prepped track -> Waterbox ok...

That's part of the fun, selecting a "car" or "tires" or both that'll be a happy medium for all 4 events.

Decisions decisions decisions... Hummmmm.

[Caveman]

Yep Thats what im thinking:D

what type of tire will work fair in all cases???
I've done lots of research on the subject now i nead to decide
how much $$$ can afford ;)
not much:(
so now i nead to decide what tearoffs to run :p

Ive got a week and a half to figure it out.

O what should I do
Advan A048 look good
but the Goodyear Eagle VR 60 in my backyard look good too

O what to do:confused:

[AW11_4AGZE]

Yep Thats what im thinking:D

what type of tire will work fair in all cases???
I've done lots of research on the subject now i nead to decide
how much $$$ can afford
not much
so now i nead to decide what tearoffs to run :p

Ive got a week and a half to figure it out.

O what should I do
Advan A048 look good
but the Goodyear Eagle VR 60 in my backyard look good too

O what to do:confused:

Using toyo's = big points.... For that RA-1 or 888 rob

Or you could come to A with me :P... Though Im sure your power to weight is much more than mine.. I have my street Falkens, thier treadwear stuck the 2 in A. I would prefer not over wearing my RA-1's anyways. There is NO WAY my RA-1's would last me until September.

Joe, whats the deal with Brian's "honda" mr2 sc Just 'cause he's slower, doesn't make him a Honda. (jkjk :) )

Tom, you can add getting a piece of metal out of my eye for 5h @ the hospital today. The car is resisting my work... Ill force FTD out of it one way or another.

[JoeT]

ya ya ya..

Late night Typo's for the "Sexsmith", it should say Toyota... LOL

[max attack]

Using toyo's = big points.... For that RA-1 or 888 rob

Or you could come to A with me :P... Though Im sure your power to weight is much more than mine.. I have my street Falkens, thier treadwear stuck the 2 in A. I would prefer not over wearing my RA-1's anyways. There is NO WAY my RA-1's would last me until September.

Joe, whats the deal with Brian's "honda" mr2 sc Just 'cause he's slower, doesn't make him a Honda. (jkjk :) )

Tom, you can add getting a piece of metal out of my eye for 5h @ the hospital today. The car is resisting my work... Ill force FTD out of it one way
or another.


Yuck,man you gotta wear the safety shades-I try really hard to have them on my face at all times.No driving because I'm blind = a sharp knife and a warm tub.:)
Hope you get you eye and super top secret intake mods sorted out in time.

[isopropyl]

Using toyo's = big points.... For that RA-1 or 888 rob

from caveman

toyo's = hard to get :(
yokies = get at work for cost :D and the easy payment plan;)
want toyo's but ...

Safety Glasses Man!!!
especially when on your back
If you need a pair hell I'll give you two.

you know whats even worse then steel in the eye ?

The fact they use a die grinder to remove it:cool:

[JoeT]

from caveman

toyo's = hard to get :(
yokies = get at work for cost :D and the easy payment plan;)
want toyo's but ...

Safety Glasses Man!!!
especially when on your back
If you need a pair hell I'll give you two.

you know whats even worse then steel in the eye ?

The fact they use a die grinder to remove it:cool:


Huh, Toyo's are easy to get, just make a phone call to the Series sponsor and you'll get it within 2 days. Yokies work ok and will work for the series, so you're good to go..

[Caveman]

I not that competitive
the points don't really mater to me. It's more about having a good time
and making sure a certain Japanese car stays running
The car that I want to see do well is running Toyo's
And Remember I'm crew, not a driver:rolleyes:

I just enjoy hosing on my car when I can :D

[Caveman]

Sorry Joe Toyo's are not hard to get.
just no easy pay plan
I will decide tomorrow, when I find out how much the yokies are.

now i need to go back to making carpet and door skins:mad:

[AW11_4AGZE]

from caveman

toyo's = hard to get :(
yokies = get at work for cost :D and the easy payment plan;)
want toyo's but ...

Safety Glasses Man!!!
especially when on your back
If you need a pair hell I'll give you two.

you know whats even worse then steel in the eye ?

The fact they use a die grinder to remove it:cool:

Yeah, I got the drill in they eye yesterday. It really sucked. I've got lots of saftey shades etc...

Throw those yokies on and tell me what you think! All those different tires that go on the RXV8, you will have a good idea of what works!
Im interested to see what it will do in the 1/4.

[max attack]

Yeah, I got the drill in they eye yesterday. It really sucked. I've got lots of saftey shades etc...

Throw those yokies on and tell me what you think! All those different tires that go on the RXV8, you will have a good idea of what works!
Im interested to see what it will do in the 1/4.

Having run the 32R yoks in the past I'd say they compare pretty well to the toyo's,in the rain and in the cold the yoks were damn good.Haven't tried the toyo's in the wet yet but the 1st event was cold and there was no way those puppies were getting above room temp.

[Caveman]

well the yokies are out

Looking like the Eagels on the back and the fuzions on the front but I
cant test fit till monday I need the R6 for koth on sat (Need to beat Andrew)

Stupid bolt patern:mad:
I have all kinds of 16" rubber but no easy wheels :(

And I think that a hundred pound bumper is all thats going to help

[JoeT]

Cars
8 A Class
16 B Class
13 C Class
11 D Class

Tires
5 Bridgestone
2 Dunlop
3 Falken
2 Hankook
3 Hoosier
26 Toyo

Marques
2 BMW
1 Ford
5 GM
5 Honda
1 Lotus
9 Mazda
1 MG
3 Mitsubishi
3 Nissan
12 Subaru
4 Toyota
2 Volvo
1 VW

48 Advanced Registrations for Event 1 - It's going to be awesome!!

http://spda-online.ca/uploads/forums/3_4a3ef6b32f2a1.jpg

[TOYSRUS]

Hey Joe, can I request car #111?

Paul, Tom, Mike, it will be a pleasure beating all 3 of you this weekend.....I can hardly wait:)

[TOYSRUS]

Oh yeah, you too Klaus!! I hope you can find the time to make it to the drags :)

[max attack]

Good to see you joined the party in the right class Bill,it will be an honour to have my butt kicked by such an esteemed and self confident fellow as yourself.:)

[Tashko]

Parties, butts getting kicked, drags, what the heck is going on here‽ http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u313/majctop/gfight.gif

:)

[Kreutz73]

# 111 is his placement on the FTD list. Bill is kinda like Babe Ruth, he's calling it before it happens.


Hey Joe, can I request car #111?

Paul, Tom, Mike, it will be a pleasure beating all 3 of you this weekend.....I can hardly wait:)

[msix]

Thanks Bill, it's an honour to be included in the butt-kicking list .....

quick change first ...

Joe, I NEED to change my tire choice, I have to mount the Hoosiers ... someone need some whipping

[JoeT]

Thanks Bill, it's an honour to be included in the butt-kicking list .....

quick change first ...

Joe, I NEED to change my tire choice, I have to mount the Hoosiers ... someone need some whipping

No problem.. Hoooooooosiers it is... It's nice to see (read) distinguished gentlement pounding their chest in a civil manner. It is certainly an honour to be amongst knuckle draggers of haute caliber. :D

[mikewolf]

While your at it, I need to change my tire choice to 710's. I couldn't find any rims for the toyo's. Besides it would be too upsettng for paul,bill,tom,etc if I beat them on old RA1's.

[JoeT]

While your at it, I need to change my tire choice to 710's. I couldn't find any rims for the toyo's. Besides it would be too upsettng for paul,bill,tom,etc if I beat them on old RA1's.

No problemo..

[max attack]

While your at it, I need to change my tire choice to 710's. I couldn't find any rims for the toyo's. Besides it would be too upsettng for paul,bill,tom,etc if I beat them on old RA1's.

Likewise its going to suck being beaten by some smuck on toyo's.;)

Thats all the smack talk I'll be doing,I've spent about 30 hours on the car since its only outing this year and perhaps its all wrong now.:)

[JoeT]

Likewise its going to suck being beaten by some smuck on toyo's.;)

Thats all the smack talk I'll be doing,I've spent about 30 hours on the car since its only outing this year and perhaps its all wrong now.:)


What's worse is if you're all beaten by a 4 door family sedan on Toyo's. But that won't be me, since my car will just be getting out of the shop and untuned. Oh, and i'm in a lower class too... LOL

[Tashko]

Hmm, I'll have to use my V710's during the practice sessions just for fun and try hassle you guys for times. :D

[Caveman]

Well Seeing as I go third and will be drawing lines around the coarse.:D
remember when your up . Don't Follow Those Lines. their just a guide :rolleyes:

350 lbs of torque on 195 60 14
Stupid Mazda bolt pattern :mad:

Tom Ill have your foam sat morning

oh this is going to be fun:D

[AW11_4AGZE]

Well Seeing as I go third and will be drawing lines around the coarse.:D
remember when your up . Don't Follow Those Lines. their just a guide :rolleyes:

350 lbs of torque on 195 60 14
Stupid Mazda bolt pattern :mad:

Tom Ill have your foam sat morning

oh this is going to be fun:D

They 4x114? I have some 84 300zx rims... I think they are 15's...


Time to finish the work on the car :)

[TOYSRUS]

# 111 is his placement on the FTD list. Bill is kinda like Babe Ruth, he's calling it before it happens.

Ahem, Paul, that's 111 as in 1st place in 3 of the 4 events:rolleyes:

[TOYSRUS]

MEH, whats all this tire changing talk? Is it not enough I bring an old hacked up, stock powered, 24 year old car to the event?! Perhaps a little side bet is in order..........

[TOYSRUS]

I say Team Toyota vs Team Mazda vs Team Subaru vs Team GM....combined times....winner take all.....um, the all to be determined:)

What do you say Tom, can we muster some factory support from Toyota?:D

[shanehutton]

I am trying to pull together a team Volvo :)

[JoeT]

I say Team Toyota vs Team Mazda vs Team Subaru vs Team GM....combined times....winner take all.....um, the all to be determined:)

What do you say Tom, can we muster some factory support from Toyota?:D

If it's cumulative times, I'd have to say Team Scooby wins.. Due to sheer volume of cars (27 on a single marque). How about "Average Times", that way it doesn't matter which class they are in eh, it's all about the luck of the draw..

Muahahahahahah...

[AW11_4AGZE]

I say Team Toyota vs Team Mazda vs Team Subaru vs Team GM....combined times....winner take all.....um, the all to be determined:)

What do you say Tom, can we muster some factory support from Toyota?:D

Team Toyota it is. ;) well, team 4age/4agte too.

[sjd]

If it's cumulative times, I'd have to say Team Scooby wins.. Due to sheer volume of cars (27 on a single marque). How about "Average Times", that way it doesn't matter which class they are in eh, it's all about the luck of the draw..

Muahahahahahah...

The number of Subarus went from 12 to 27?! :eek:

I've been trying to get out more Mazdas, but the RX-7 and RX-8 guys seem to have forgotten their motorsports heritage. :D

[JoeT]

The number of Subarus went from 12 to 27?! :eek:

I've been trying to get out more Mazdas, but the RX-7 and RX-8 guys seem to have forgotten their motorsports heritage. :D


Ok ok you guys caught me (stretching the truth slightly)

Cars
8 A Class
16 B Class
13 C Class
11 D Class

Tires
5 Bridgestone
2 Dunlop
3 Falken
2 Hankook
3 Hoosier
26 Toyo

Marques
2 BMW
1 Ford
5 GM
5 Honda
1 Lotus
9 Mazda
1 MG
3 Mitsubishi
3 Nissan
12 Subaru
4 Toyota
2 Volvo
1 VW

We're up to 53 registrations now, but the list above has not yet been updated... muahahahaha

[Rampant WS6]

Wow it looks like GM has to carry the bulk of the Merican made flag.

I will not be out for the first event but should be good to go for 2, 3 and 4 if nothing breaks.

[TOYSRUS]

Whoa! I was only referring to D Class which is where all the real cars compete (yeah TASHKO, thats aimed at you!):D

Last I checked there were 2 of each of the marques mentioned in my previous post.

C'mon Tashko, "D" is calling your name...........

[max attack]

Sure I'll join the toyota team,factory support is a long shot considering your car looks umm less than pristine and mine doesn't even have the factory body or engine combo or correct transmission and nearly all suspension pcs are built by me-guess its up to the other MR2 guys to drum up factory support then.;)

Don't worry Bill I won't be swapping tires,gonna beat you straight up(whoops,that sounds like a little trash talk).I was going to have you make a run in mine but then you went and got all serious about this thing so...:)

[Caveman]

No I wish they were 4x114. Mazda used 4x110 for the early years on the 7s
only thing out there has way wrong offset (wheel !!! touches frame, not tire)
thanks though

They 4x114? I have some 84 300zx rims... I think they are 15's...


Time to finish the work on the car :)

[TOYSRUS]

Sure I'll join the toyota team,factory support is a long shot considering your car looks umm less than pristine and mine doesn't even have the factory body or engine combo or correct transmission and nearly all suspension pcs are built by me-guess its up to the other MR2 guys to drum up factory support then.;)

Don't worry Bill I won't be swapping tires,gonna beat you straight up(whoops,that sounds like a little trash talk).I was going to have you make a run in mine but then you went and got all serious about this thing so...:)

No reason why we can't swap cars in the morning:)

Put the toyo's on the car tonight and the passenger front caliper is seized:(
Damn trailer queens just don't get enough abuse time!

[JoeT]

No reason why we can't swap cars in the morning:)

Put the toyo's on the car tonight and the passenger front caliper is seized:(
Damn trailer queens just don't get enough abuse time!

Bah, you have 3 other brakes.. LOL

Brakes are over rated anyway. :p

[Tashko]

Whoa! I was only referring to D Class which is where all the real cars compete (yeah TASHKO, thats aimed at you!):D

Last I checked there were 2 of each of the marques mentioned in my previous post.

C'mon Tashko, "D" is calling your name...........

Bah, 'D', won't you be embarrassed when a 'C' car beats you! :eek:

I'm sure we can find some body panels to make the MR1.5 a real car and run in 'C'...

:p

[banditrob]

Just a quick and probably weird question, but the event on Saturday, is there going to be drifting involved in the course? Not that I wouldn't want to do it, but I'm not looking to shred my tires before the Autox on Sunday. Next question is, if there isn't drifting are BFG-R1's allowed??

[JoeT]

Its a timed event, which means the fast time is the grip method.

Drifting is discouraged since its the slow way around the course. Any tire is allowed, premium tires will land you in D class.

Hope this helps.

[banditrob]

Yep, that helps a lot, I think I might have googled the wrong thing.
Likely see me there Saturday morning.

[Kreutz73]

yaaawn.... I'm falling asleep reading Bill's attempts at trash talking.

[Doug Phillips]

Yep, that helps a lot, I think I might have googled the wrong thing.
Likely see me there Saturday morning.

Rob, you will have a blast with these guys, really good group. I expect many will stay for Sunday and will be entered in the King of the Hill Saturday night. You should attend all three.

Wish I was there, I will be at Mosport getting my first of many royal kickings. :o

Doug

[max attack]

No reason why we can't swap cars in the morning:)

Put the toyo's on the car tonight and the passenger front caliper is seized:(
Damn trailer queens just don't get enough abuse time!


I was in fact talking about the morning,you think I'd let you run my car in the 1 and only timed run? Crazy bastard.:)

Your cars undrivabale in the rain???,open diff with the engine and trans in the perfect location-must be the driver!.I once outran most of the spda plus all the usual guys(Tashko and 1 sti beat me) at a soaking wet tlmc with my nose heavy AND at the the time welded diff hot rod.

I kinda hope it did rain,I now have hoosiers slicks if its dry,R888's if its dampish and full tread hoosier wets if its well...wet.

Btw I find its the driver guy that doesn't get the required seat time versus the car getting driven that causes me the most problems.;)

[mikewolf]

If it is raw times we are comparing, I would definately bet on team Mazda. After my performance at the DDT, I would bet on someone else if we are counting cones.

[TOYSRUS]

yaaawn.... I'm falling asleep reading Bill's attempts at trash talking.

Super light rims - $650
Supercharger kit for miata - $3500
Sticky hoosier A6's - $1000
Countless hours in labour -$10,000,000

getting beat by a stock Miata at DDT.....PRICELESS!!

[Tashko]

You know, I think we should all trade cars on the Saturday during the practice session! It would be really cool to see what each other can do after say two runs in each others cars.

You guys can all feel the pain of driving a DSM!! :eek:

[Fentin_fury]

with power steering, brakes, AWD, huge rubber - some pain:)


You know, I think we should all trade cars on the Saturday during the practice session! It would be really cool to see what each other can do after say two runs in each others cars.

You guys can all feel the pain of driving a DSM!! :eek:

[msix]

If it is raw times we are comparing, I would definately bet on team Mazda. After my performance at the DDT, I would bet on someone else if we are counting cones.

yeah, sure, nevermind about the cones, let's just look at the raw time, .... just like playing basketball without keeping score ...:D

[Kreutz73]

meh... I heard he was on roids. Can't compete with that.

how bout....

super light rims $650
sticky hoosier A6's $1000
mods to MR2 - sawsall and selling some leftover parts on e-bay ($500)
countless hours in labour $9.99

getting beat by a stock miata at MCO's inter provincial cup last year... priceless.

oh wait... I got beat there too.

nevermind.


Super light rims - $650
Supercharger kit for miata - $3500
Sticky hoosier A6's - $1000
Countless hours in labour -$10,000,000

getting beat by a stock Miata at DDT.....PRICELESS!!

[mikewolf]

Lunch.
provided?
available for purchase?
go buy it somewhere else?

[Caveman]

You know, I think we should all trade cars on the Saturday during the practice session! It would be really cool to see what each other can do after say two runs in each others cars.

You guys can all feel the pain of driving a DSM!! :eek:

If any one wants to try to tame Frankenchang.
all i can say is good luck.
I want to see if anyone has better luck then me

O and don't downshift to 1st once your out of it:D

[max attack]

If any one wants to try to tame Frankenchang.
all i can say is good luck.
I want to see if anyone has better luck then me

O and don't downshift to 1st once your out of it:D

I love a challenge.;)

[Caveman]

as i said good luck:D and you will need your wifes foam pad:p

[TOYSRUS]

meh... I heard he was on roids. Can't compete with that.

how bout....

super light rims $650
sticky hoosier A6's $1000
mods to MR2 - sawsall and selling some leftover parts on e-bay ($500)
countless hours in labour $9.99

getting beat by a stock miata at MCO's inter provincial cup last year... priceless.

oh wait... I got beat there too.

nevermind.

OUCH! Ok Paul, I give, I say lets focus our attention on appeasing the sun gods for the weekend!

[JoeT]

Lunch.
provided?
available for purchase?
go buy it somewhere else?

Prizes provided, lots of prizes, wait until we post it.. Lots of places to go for lunch within 1 Km of the venue. It won't be provided, so bag your lunch, it's not your typical event, it's a bit of a mix between some tuner events, as well as the CASC-OR event. So far 60 Advanced Registrations as of this evening. I'll be posting an update a bit later, we may end up hitting the soft cap to allow people to have lots of runs. Advanced Registrations close tomorrow for the this weekend, and walk in's are taking their chances.

$12580.00 worth of prizes all together for the series, with decent prizes for each event. Sponsors are "FANTASTIC"!!!!!! Makes our little sport more exciting, by a teeeny weeeeeny notch..

Muahahahah.

This is shaping up to be a win win win all around!!! I'm stoked, my car is getting put back together as we speak, and I may event have it to play with on Saturday, but Sunday for sure.. Muahahahaha.

Oh, we'll be asking for feedback from you all so we can make the next event better. Hopefully we'll make all the mistakes this year so Next Year it'll be better run.

[Kreutz73]

OUCH! Ok Paul, I give, I say lets focus our attention on appeasing the sun gods for the weekend!

you never give... this must be a trick. Should we reinstate the special olympics this weekend?:eek:

[mikewolf]

Prizes provided, lots of prizes, wait until we post it.. Lots of places to go for lunch within 1 Km of the venue. It won't be provided, so bag your lunch, it's not your typical event, it's a bit of a mix between some tuner events, as well as the CASC-OR event. So far 60 Advanced Registrations as of this evening. I'll be posting an update a bit later, we may end up hitting the soft cap to allow people to have lots of runs. Advanced Registrations close tomorrow for the this weekend, and walk in's are taking their chances.

$12580.00 worth of prizes all together for the series, with decent prizes for each event. Sponsors are "FANTASTIC"!!!!!! Makes our little sport more exciting, by a teeeny weeeeeny notch..

Muahahahah.

This is shaping up to be a win win win all around!!! I'm stoked, my car is getting put back together as we speak, and I may event have it to play with on Saturday, but Sunday for sure.. Muahahahaha.

Oh, we'll be asking for feedback from you all so we can make the next event better. Hopefully we'll make all the mistakes this year so Next Year it'll be better run.

Cool.
Prizes are much better than lunch.

[JoeT]

Did y'all get the communique that was mailed out last night (er.. this morning)?

[mikewolf]

yes i did.

[AndrewR]

Everyone, remember a hat, water, and sunscreen, its going to be a HOT one:cool:

[Maddog]

Did y'all get the communique that was mailed out last night (er.. this morning)?Got it Joe. Thanks.

[msix]

quick questions:

Is it possible to change the choice of tires at or after the registration, (when is the cut-off time if I would decide last minute to run on different tires)?

What if it rains, can we change tires? or the weather changes from morning to afternoon?

Can I run the morning test runs on a different tire then the HOT lap (same weather conditions)?

[msix]

Did y'all get the communique that was mailed out last night (er.. this morning)?

no

[TOYSRUS]

you never give... this must be a trick. Should we reinstate the special olympics this weekend?:eek:

Is that why Jamie is coming this weekend....so you can beat at least one person in the arm wrestling challenge?:D

[JoeT]

quick questions:

Is it possible to change the choice of tires at or after the registration, (when is the cut-off time if I would decide last minute to run on different tires)?

What if it rains, can we change tires? or the weather changes from morning to afternoon?

Can I run the morning test runs on a different tire then the HOT lap (same weather conditions)?

Hi Klaus

The spirit is to use the same tires / same compound for all 4 events. This way, there's an element of 'chance' that's inserted into the competition. We are trying to avoid at all costs people brining specialty tires per application (Drag, Gymkhana, + 2 Track events). The single tire / compound choice is the actual equalizer.

Example; If you use drag slicks and that's the tire of choice, then you'll suffer in all the events used for cornering. It's the decision the competitor needs to make.

This also serves another purpose, for newcomers to the sport (there will be lots), it's more cost effective for them to use 1 set of tires, rather than bringing specialty sets for each event. Having said that, under the FAQ section of the rules, we do allow a change in tires if you take the demerit points ( 20 points ) / event.

As to when the cutoff time is, once the scrutineer checks off your setup at the day of the event, the tires you indicate to the scrutineer will be the ones recorded in the system for tracking. Every change will result in the 20 points deduction / event.

As for running different tires for practice, there is no harm in doing so, since the practice runs aren't timed. During the competitive runs, you must run the tires indicated on your scrutineering sheet.

Hope this helps.

[msix]

As for running different tires for practice, there is no harm in doing so, since the practice runs aren't timed. During the competitive runs, you must run the tires indicated on your scrutineering sheet.

Hope this helps.

All the other info is pretty clear and I understand,
I just thought ... what if it's raining ... when must I make the final call on tires.

I did not want to get penalized for unauthorized actions, but now this last item here is clear as well.

Thanks Joe,

[Parker]

You say the practise runs aren't timed... does that mean no run times will be available at all until the competitive run? I was hoping we would be able to check our times throughout the day to see where we're at.

[JoeT]

You say the practise runs aren't timed... does that mean no run times will be available at all until the competitive run? I was hoping we would be able to check our times throughout the day to see where we're at.

Practice will have a timer running but nothing will be posted. The display will be available for viewing when you reach the stop box (I think), but times will not be printed.

Hope this helps.

[sjd]

The display will be available for viewing when you reach the stop box (I think), but times will not be printed.

We were planning on having the display up and running. But as Joe said nothing will be recorded.

[max attack]

Hey Joe if your not able to run your car on saturday and want a ride(and you fit)you could drive mine-only thing is you'd need to flex your considerable influence and run BEFORE myself.;)
Its not in your class but you'd get points for overall right?.

[JoeT]

Hey Joe if your not able to run your car on saturday and want a ride(and you fit)you could drive mine-only thing is you'd need to flex your considerable influence and run BEFORE myself.;)
Its not in your class but you'd get points for overall right?.

Thanks and yup... I may take you up on that for the practice runs, but I'm not eligable for winning anything anyway.. LOL since I'm the organizer, it won't look right in the eyes of the sponsors.

So for me, this series is for you guys. So you better enjoy it!!! LOL

[max attack]

Ok,I figured since your in the registered list you'd be running.

I was a little surprised with the emphasis on running toyo tires that there's only 1 set by a draw.I'm cool with a draw for a set of tires but figured for sure the overall and perhaps even the class winners would be in line for either a set or coupon towards a set.

[JoeT]

Ok,I figured since your in the registered list you'd be running.

I was a little surprised with the emphasis on running toyo tires that there's only 1 set by a draw.I'm cool with a draw for a set of tires but figured for sure the overall and perhaps even the class winners would be in line for either a set or coupon towards a set.

The target audience was actually the non motorsports initiated crowd, for this event. Toyo is providing tons of background operational stuff like "money". JRP has polled all their suppliers to get all the prizes. Overall, there are $12,760 (I think) worth of stuff to give away. Not too shabby, and all the toyo funding is actually going to underwrite all the stuff that you can't see.

Ever wonder how you can get a full day of lapping + competition for only 75 bucks, which includes your Solosprint License.. That applies to the DDT and Dunville, plus the drag.

We're thankful to them for helping to introduce our sport to the uninitiated.

Cool eh.. A bit of background.

[max attack]

Thanks Joe,that makes more sense now.

Good job on the whole shabang,the 4 different styles of motorsport and 1 winner is bloody brilliant.:)

[Parker]

We were planning on having the display up and running. But as Joe said nothing will be recorded.

Schweet. Now I just have to remember to look because I always forget...

[AW11_4AGZE]

Bad news, my turbo went south. I will be unable to make the event :( scrap the only MR2 in A. Such a good chance too...

Good luck with the race tomorrow guys! The whole thing sounds like a blast. Hopefully I can make a comeback @ the next ATTS event.

[-bbTeg]

Just got back from this event and wanted to thank the organizers for putting together such a well-run, fulfilling and FUN event.

The format was perfect and the classings very equal.

Thanks to all the other participants and the sponsors that make this happen. As I said in my first post, its about time someone put something like this together. Looking forward to the next one

-98ITR

[shanehutton]

I had a great time and I can't wait for the next event.

Here are a couple of pics I grabbed between runs/marshaling.

http://s635.photobucket.com/albums/uu79/shanehutton/ATTS-Attack%20Time/?albumview=grid

[Slowpoke]

Thanks go out to the TLMC crew as well for supplying the lot, timing equipment, lots of volunteer labour, etc.

What a day! I can't believe that I botched the last run, but it's a good lesson to take with me to the Time Attack!

[bsclywilly]

Great event. Didn't expect to get so many runs with such a long course. Joe, you're a machine doing the commentary with the mic the entire day. Awesome display of driving and excess horsepower in some of those Subies and RWD cars. It must've been the course design but FWD and those med radius corners just meant crazy understeer.

Was a bit perplexed how my riced out civic got confused with a stock Volvo in the final results though. Hope the official results have any mixups sorted out. I'm looking forward to the next event.

[shanehutton]

Come on Willy, our cars are both black and we both have spoilers. :D

I have every intention of loosing to you by a slightly smaller margin next time.

You were 7% faster. I try for 5% next time, I just need more straights...

[AW11_4AGZE]

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/nolat123/ceramic%20wheel%20go%20boom/DSC03343.jpg

Hmmm, It's more than just the seals that went...... Lets hope Ill be there for event 2. :rolleyes:

[max attack]

Isn't that missing a funny little wheel thingy?:)

I have a good turbo,but I think something on the ignition side is playing tricks on me.Haven't decided if I'll continue in the series or not at this point,the ice racer may have to get pulled from the bush I keep it in and given a quick prep for solo duty.