Solo Rules/classes

[Tony Kloosterma]

After my weekend in Quebec it is apparent to me that Canada needs one set of solo rules.

It makes no sense having different rules in each province. How can we have a national championship (ala the east coast and western events) if we don't have a set of uniform rules?

Quebec uses a version of the SCCA rules.

We have our own and I believe cnac has something different.

How do we get all the provinces to adopt the same rules?
Can we adopt SCCA rules? What is the solution?

How do I, as a competitor, go about lobbying for changes and helping to get all of us in this country on the same playing field?

It only makes sense that the whole country has one set of rules.
I am willing to step up and help, but not sure of the procedures to do this... I think that most clubs have a voting preference at the national meetings.......Any guidance would be appreciated.

Tony

[roooo]

I think TAC has someone involved on the national Solo board ... you can probably find out through them.

I think the CNAC rules are very close to SCCA but they have a different take on prep points which probably influences how you move up in the classes when you mod your car.

One set of rules is enough. Hell, why don't we just get one set of rules for the whole of North America ...

[Tony Kloosterma]

That would make the most sense.
The event in Quebec was setup typical of an scca event, if that is true I will be making a few trips to michigan and new york to partake, the course design was awesome.....fast and tricky

It only makes sense that our rules be interchangeable........

Tony

[Logan]

I've understood all year that the ontario rules are going to look very similiar to the CNAC rules next year.

I ran under the CNAC rules in PEI, It wasn't hard to class my car because it's still stock, but I had different competition.

[Marsh]

Originally posted by Logan
I've understood all year that the ontario rules are going to look very similiar to the CNAC rules next year.

I ran under the CNAC rules in PEI, It wasn't hard to class my car because it's still stock, but I had different competition.

That is the word and nobody will commit to a decision on it (since solo-2 rules discussion doesn't take place until Nov.) It's kind of frustrating because we're coming on the season to aquire cheap used sports cars.

[ice/solo racer]

Marsh is right-my car is cheap!!:D

I think my car will remain competitive next year,based on the cnac rules or scca rules-last year FSP was dominated by a AE86 corolla on both days for the national title(turns out my suspension set-up mirrors his-kinda weird eh;) )

Oh yeah,sounds like Marsh is going to play the pick a car for the rules game!,Marsh if you do that you can't play the backup run game too ya know!;)

Joking of course

[tanney]

Somebody hasn't been paying attention in the drivers meetings at the lastfew events.....this exact topic has been covered.

[Tony Kloosterma]

thats funny Wes, I have been paying attn and I know there is a meeting in november to discuss rules. But thats all the info given out to the best of my recollection. Or maybe something was covered at one fo the events i missed?
My question is how do I participate and give input?
Does each club have some sort of vote?
How does the committee decide etc.....

[roooo]

No bulletins or any news items otherwise posted on CASC, ASN Canada, etc ... has there been a decision?

[tanney]

The solo 2 director's term is up in November and the new solo 2 director that will be elected in November's CASC-OR General Meeting will then take over and get the ball rolling.

There is a National SOlo Committee that is looking at Solo 1 and Solo 2 rules across the country as we speak and they MAY dictate that we have to go with a specific rule set, which ever that may be.

Nothing will be officially anounced or done, I assume, until there is a new Solo 2 Director in place, which would be after the November 8th general meeting.

[Marsh]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Oh yeah,sounds like Marsh is going to play the pick a car for the rules game!,Marsh if you do that you can't play the backup run game too ya know!;)

Joking of course

It doesn't really apply to me know, since I won't be able to afford a car until we know what's going to happen. But I had already decided on the car, just not what class to run. What engine do I use? Can I convert the suspension the spherical bearings? Can I relocate suspension points to alter geometry? These modifications would take a VERY long time and I would need to know what I could do before I started. January isn't good enough. There is no way I could start the car when the rule book came out and finish for the beginning of the season.

At this point it would January at the earliest before I could afford to start, so it's all academic. But being as I was planning that far ahead, I'm thinking other people are going through the same problem. I know that Ralph Obrien is planning on going SS next year with his Prelude, but he can't comit to buy parts because he doesn't know what the rules are. Mean while good used suspensions are coming on the auction block now.

[ice/solo racer]

I kinda knew that was the intent in reading between the lines of you post Marsh and I agree that for the people that would like to pick a car and do the prep to fit within a set of rules the possibly very late rule change is going to be a pain in the @ss.

I'm thinking on registering for the solo 2 series and try for a couple of events and see if I can qualify for the shootout(if there is such a thing?)My crx is an automatic mod class car,c-mod under current cnac rules,but I'll be preparing it for solo 1 rules to ensure that I can remain as competitive as possible in that series and let the chips fall where they may for solo 2.My road race aspirations are on hold for a season,need to use solo 1 to gauge my performance at the higher speeds attained and to set up the new car before spending time in traffic with an ill handling car.

[tanney]

Assume CNAC rules for next season!!!!!!!

I repeat, unless someone will step up as the solo 2 director with a better, more strandard and acceptable plan, assume CNAC rules for 2004.

There is a tenative date and time for a solo 1 and solo 2 workshops that will be announced shortly.

In case your not paying attention...... ASSUME THAT THE 2004 RULE SET WILL BE CNAC!

Does anyone need this any clearer! Rocket science......I don't think so! CNAC

[DareBee]

Wes

Are the CNAC rules posted somewhere?
You got a link?

[Logan]

you can find them at
www.cnacsolo.ca

[Doug Phillips]

I had a look throught this before to see the classes but could not find anything about PAX numbers. Under these rules are there any PAX numbers?

[Logan]

I'm also having a hard time understanding where you move to once you make some mods that are not allowed in stock class.

[roooo]

*SP classes

In the case of the Protege .. FSP (page 14 of the car classes pdf)

[Logan]

Strange, why would my DStock car move to the F family?
I'm going to have to read these rules AGAIN in detail... hmph.
Thanks Roooo

[Suzie]

Originally posted by tanney
Assume CNAC rules for next season!!!!!!!

I repeat, unless someone will step up as the solo 2 director with a better, more strandard and acceptable plan, assume CNAC rules for 2004.

There is a tenative date and time for a solo 1 and solo 2 workshops that will be announced shortly.

In case your not paying attention...... ASSUME THAT THE 2004 RULE SET WILL BE CNAC!

Does anyone need this any clearer! Rocket science......I don't think so! CNAC

I get the feeling you're trying to tell me something, but I can't quite figure out what it is :confused:

;)

Suzie

[ice/solo racer]

The SCCA rules do the same thing,once modded you may or may not be competing against the same types of cars in the new class.
My corolla ends up in FSP with more prep points to spare(ie.LSD and more power/lightening)but starts in h or g stock I think(going from memory).
The end result is pretty much the same as our current rules however,some cars will be competitive with the right mods,some won't be with the wrong mods.
I like that their will be more SP classes,means not all frigging cars will end up in BSS/BSP so each class should be even more evenly matched than now without the huge differences in vehicle type per class..BSP is a helleva dog fight right now though!!:cool:

[andrew1984]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
BSP is a helleva dog fight right now though!!:cool:


:eek:

[Marsh]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
The SCCA rules do the same thing,once modded you may or may not be competing against the same types of cars in the new class.
My corolla ends up in FSP with more prep points to spare(ie.LSD and more power/lightening)but starts in h or g stock I think(going from memory).
The end result is pretty much the same as our current rules however,some cars will be competitive with the right mods,some won't be with the wrong mods.
I like that their will be more SP classes,means not all frigging cars will end up in BSS/BSP so each class should be even more evenly matched than now without the huge differences in vehicle type per class..BSP is a helleva dog fight right now though!!:cool:

I actually agree with this rule characteristic. Look at my class. From experience the Prelude, Camaro and Talon are all very close competitors stock, but you can't tell me that they all modify the same.

[Brent]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
..BSP is a helleva dog fight right now though!!:cool:

It is not much of a dog fight when all the dogs get beaten by a cat.

[ice/solo racer]

Yep your right Marsh,my class is crazy with all the different car combo's,ITR's, modded civics of all generations,supercharged FWD mini's,turbo mazda's with suspension work and LSD from the factory,AWD turbo WRX's,hell there's even RWD corolla that does OK!:D
It would be impossible to determine how competitive these cars are to each other with all the different combo's without doing a test with one driver one course,even that would favour one car combo over another given certain course layouts.

Too sum it up-its time for a rules revamp!(more than a revamp really)

[ice/solo racer]

Oh yeah Brent you've got a PM.

[roooo]

Any chance of getting rule 5.3.C.ii changed ?

The one about people with airbags not being allowed to change their steering wheels. But everyone else is allowed to as long as the difference in size isn't more than 26 mm.

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Oh, more silliness ... Negative points are allowed in stock class for roll cages and fire extinguishers!!

2 fire extinguishers + 2 racing seats = 0 points. hehe
or 1 roll cage + 1 fire extinguisher + 2 racing seats + 0 back seats = 0 points.

Fun fun fun.

[Doug Phillips]

How about replacing the shift stick for a point?

Like it makes a huge difference when half the courses are 1st gear only.

Doug

[AcidGord]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Oh yeah Brent you've got a PM.

The fire extinguisher rule is only available for 1 pt I believe. (At least it is in the CNAC rules we use here)

[gatherer]

well I went out to alberta to run in the nationals and I enjoyed the CNAC rules .... it just seemed to make the competition within my class (HS) much more interesting .... although I didn't like the base model mini being in the same class .. I will admit he is a really good driver...

anyways as for rules.... since it's hard to tell exactly whats happening here .... I'm seting up the car strictly for the nationals next year . I doubt the rules will change much from the rules on the CNAC solo site. if it means I can also be competitive in the ontario regionals that would be great too..

as a side note in Alberta when discussing the rules and the difference with ontario rules with a few people they told me about some rumour of ASN requiring a national set of rules and that all insured events would have to run those rules... I wonder if this will pan out?