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mlab601
09-06-2003, 12:27 AM
Hi folks,

Let me echo Eric's comments(CADL's president). We were really happy so many of you showed up for this event. I will certainly pass the word around to our members about your enthusiasm for PMG and the type of course design used. Believe me I will be the first one to agree with you that this course was fast and fun to drive. Who needs tight slow courses anyways! When you drive a car like mine (Audi A4) you don't like small tight, full of bus stop type courses. I'm all in favor of fast flowing courses, it is good for powerful cars and good for light less powerful but nimble cars. Proof of this, a multitude of light less powerful cars made excellent times and a Type R had the second best time. The super light weight MR 2 had the best time. BTW, that car weighs half the weight of my car! Now on to the more delicate subject of classification. I know some of you guys were disqualified for been in the wrong class and I know this is a PITA situation but unfortunately several things contributed to this. First, it was the third and final round of the Quebec championship. Two, within the CADL championship it is very tight in all categories so we could not switch a car to a different class once the event had started. The only recourse was to disqualify the driver because moving him to another class would have caused the same problem there. Let me just say that we followed the SCCA rule book on that, there was no choice, it is written that a competitor who wrongfully classifies his car will be disqualified. I can only apologies for the lack of time I spent with our Anglophone friends after the French driver’s meeting. I tried to go over all the major points that were briefed in French but we were short on time. Next time, we will try harder to make it less confusing. I hope this makes sense to all of you. Just one more word on the classification rules. It is the responsibility of the driver/owner of the car to make sure he is in the proper class. I’m going through the same thing myself now. My intention is to participate in a SOLO 1 event at Shannonville in September, so I have been corresponding with several officials from the Ontario Solo commission to get my car in the proper class.

I would like to get more comments about the different things we could improve. Also comments on PMG would be appreciated. The reason I ask, it is the first time in two years that we use this facility because of what happened with Silvester Stalone’s when they were filming “DRIVEN”. PMG as tighten security a lot, they are not as flexible anymore, they won’t allow free access in and out of their facility, you noticed we had a shuttle system in place. Children a not allowed on site anymore neither are pets.
They inspect every car before they go in for oil and coolant leaks or any other fluids and anything suspicious about a car. They don’t want another mess on their hands. We are under strict orders to report any leakage on the pavement or any damage done to it. We have to clean up right away to avoid further damages, you get the picture. We also have to give them a $10,000 deposit against any damage. PMG is also very expensive to rent now, without going into details; I think they double the rental fee. Technically this weekend we were suppose to park our cars in the grass after our runs just in case a leak occurred. I think you guys realise as we do that PMG is most likely one of the best places in Canada to do a SOLO 2 event but is it worth all the troubles we may encounter? Would you like for the Canadian championship to be held there, no restaurant on site except for the club’s BBQ and your own food, limited potties(more could be ordered), no camping on site for a two day event, not too many hotels in the area. Again would it be worth the inconveniences for a two day championship held at PMG knowing what kind of course we could design for use on its surface?

Again, I would like to apologise as a member of the club, for any confusion created by the classification rules. Our decision was not meant to ruffle anybody’s feathers. Thank you for coming down to Montreal and to our event and I hope to see you people back here in the near future. In the mean time I will probably see some of you at the next SOLO1 event in Shannonville, hosted by the Ontario SOLO 1 commission on the weekend of September 20th and 21st.

Cheers,

Mike

JoeT
09-06-2003, 01:26 AM
Hi Mike,

No worries...

The members of the SPDA (Subaru Performance Drivers Association) were the ones that drove up from Toronto, along with a Beetle Driver.

Present were:
Joe T
Peter L
Peter W
Tony K
Kerry L

Andrew C
Alain H

Just like the note I sent says, we all went there to have fun and to guage our skills against the best Quebec had to offer. It was lots of fun and the course was excellent.

As for holding the Canadian Nationals there, why not. That would make for an excellent venue. As for places to say, I don't think that would be too much of a problem. Laval is close by with lots of hotels and lots of places to eat.

As for the PMG Site, it's absolutely the best place to have a Solo II event... A suggestion for next time is to have some marhalls directing where people should park, so that there is no mistake, and we'll park on the grass. Also, if more of the asphalt area could be used to create a course that's 60 seconds long laid out in the similar manner, that would be better. The fast / technical course was perfect, it could have been slightly longer just by a hair (you are asking for utopia, aren't you?). More than 4 runs would have been great too.

Honourable mention to the excellent coordination of the organizers, it was impressive to see 3 cars on a course at a time. One arriving at the stop box, one taking off from the start box, and one going though the back slalom. With that tight a schedule, I know how hard it is to keep things flowing, and you guys pulled it off with seemingly no problem.

I would certainly attend another event there, specially the Canadian Championships.

Check out the writeup on the Blainville CADL event on our main web page: http://www.spda-online.ca

TFGR
09-06-2003, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by mlab601
Hi folks,

Let me echo Eric's comments(CADL's president). We were really happy so many of you showed up for this event. I will certainly pass the word around to our members about your enthusiasm for PMG and the type of course design used. Believe me I will be the first one to agree with you that this course was fast and fun to drive. Who needs tight slow courses anyways! When you drive a car like mine (Audi A4) you don't like small tight, full of bus stop type courses. I'm all in favor of fast flowing courses, it is good for powerful cars and good for light less powerful but nimble cars. Proof of this, a multitude of light less powerful cars made excellent times and a Type R had the second best time. The super light weight MR 2 had the best time. BTW, that car weighs half the weight of my car! Now on to the more delicate subject of classification. I know some of you guys were disqualified for been in the wrong class and I know this is a PITA situation but unfortunately several things contributed to this. First, it was the third and final round of the Quebec championship. Two, within the CADL championship it is very tight in all categories so we could not switch a car to a different class once the event had started. The only recourse was to disqualify the driver because moving him to another class would have caused the same problem there. Let me just say that we followed the SCCA rule book on that, there was no choice, it is written that a competitor who wrongfully classifies his car will be disqualified. I can only apologies for the lack of time I spent with our Anglophone friends after the French driver’s meeting. I tried to go over all the major points that were briefed in French but we were short on time. Next time, we will try harder to make it less confusing. I hope this makes sense to all of you. Just one more word on the classification rules. It is the responsibility of the driver/owner of the car to make sure he is in the proper class. I’m going through the same thing myself now. My intention is to participate in a SOLO 1 event at Shannonville in September, so I have been corresponding with several officials from the Ontario Solo commission to get my car in the proper class.

I would like to get more comments about the different things we could improve. Also comments on PMG would be appreciated. The reason I ask, it is the first time in two years that we use this facility because of what happened with Silvester Stalone’s when they were filming “DRIVEN”. PMG as tighten security a lot, they are not as flexible anymore, they won’t allow free access in and out of their facility, you noticed we had a shuttle system in place. Children a not allowed on site anymore neither are pets.
They inspect every car before they go in for oil and coolant leaks or any other fluids and anything suspicious about a car. They don’t want another mess on their hands. We are under strict orders to report any leakage on the pavement or any damage done to it. We have to clean up right away to avoid further damages, you get the picture. We also have to give them a $10,000 deposit against any damage. PMG is also very expensive to rent now, without going into details; I think they double the rental fee. Technically this weekend we were suppose to park our cars in the grass after our runs just in case a leak occurred. I think you guys realise as we do that PMG is most likely one of the best places in Canada to do a SOLO 2 event but is it worth all the troubles we may encounter? Would you like for the Canadian championship to be held there, no restaurant on site except for the club’s BBQ and your own food, limited potties(more could be ordered), no camping on site for a two day event, not too many hotels in the area. Again would it be worth the inconveniences for a two day championship held at PMG knowing what kind of course we could design for use on its surface?

Again, I would like to apologise as a member of the club, for any confusion created by the classification rules. Our decision was not meant to ruffle anybody’s feathers. Thank you for coming down to Montreal and to our event and I hope to see you people back here in the near future. In the mean time I will probably see some of you at the next SOLO1 event in Shannonville, hosted by the Ontario SOLO 1 commission on the weekend of September 20th and 21st.

Cheers,

Mike

If I had of driven from a different province to do this event, and then been disqualified rather than switched into the correct class....I would have been fricken pissed!:mad:
From what you said, I do not understand why these competitors could not be switched into the correct class rather than disqualified! Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like the regular competitors did not want to contend with any unknown competition. Did disqualification happen before the first run, or after? If after, was it a competitor that complained? Was each entrant explained the classification prior to the event, or was each entrants entry sheet/modifications looked at by the organizers?
Barring what sounds like a nice place to run, it sounds like a poorly organized outing! Thats just my opinion from what I've read so far!

JoeT
09-06-2003, 01:39 AM
Let's not beat on them, it was one person that got DQ'd... That's it, and there was no regrets.

In SoloOntario Series, this person runs in BSP and certain mods in BSP are legal here. The same mods under their rules and classifications resulted in different classifications. So it was a mistake on both parts, ours (SPDA) and theirs.

We went there to have fun and to see how competitive we could be against their best. The results speak for themselves. Check out the raw times on their site.

http://www.cadl.qc.ca/Results/2003/2003-6.pdf

No worries... it's all fun and games until someone pokes out an eye... LOL

Tony Kloosterma
09-06-2003, 08:11 AM
We went to have fun and compare our times to thiers. Regardless of class we were competitive.

The only thing that really irked me about the whole thing is not one of those guys complaining had the balls to come and talk to us.

Others who heard rumblings did and we appreciate that. From those rumblings WE WENT to the organizer and asked for a class change or just to remove us from the results so as not to cause any problems.

I prefer to look at the weekend as a learning experience.

Lets leave it at that,, for us the results did not matter, we accomplished what we wanted.

As for the venue it is absolutely the best. I would spend a week there if given the chance.

As long as there are porta potties a bbq and I bring some grub I would be fine with it.

I will definitely be back next year.

Tony

Peter Lejbjuk
09-08-2003, 02:42 PM
Yea, just to clear things up... although my BOV technically put me in MOD, it seemed to me that they would let that slide. It was infact my brakes (switched from the stock 2pot/1pot to the older STi 4pot/2pot) that were protested. Out here, brakes are free, so it had never crossed my mind to put them on my tech sheet. Tony was classed properly in ESP, so being in the same class as him in Ontario, I saw no reason to question my class since our cars are very similar in tune.

Obviously my BOV isn't going to make me any faster (it was a toy I bought in a moment of weakness, and now I can't shift without it!) but my brakes could give me a slight advantage I guess, although they're not that much more powerfull than stock (same rotors up front), they're just alot firmer and easier to modulate.

But like everyone said, it didn't realy matter. It was flattering how we got all the attention after our first round. Showed us that we succeeded in showing them some of the talent Ontario has to offer.

-Pete

gatherer
09-09-2003, 01:39 AM
personally I was not there.

but I was at the nationals in Alberta. rumour has it the nationals are in montreal next year. as long as the driver's meeting is in both Languages (everything fully explained) I'm all for it .. Montreal is sooooo much closer then red deer.

and as long as the nationals use the CNAC rules and not the SCCA rules (there's a difference in the prep points between the 2) then I'm even happier.

just my 2 cents.

as for the protests ... was the protests made in writing and with the 50 dollar protest fee? if not then they weren't really valid and no one should have been disqualified without that .... (the protest fee is returned if the protest is found to be valid... but the checking doesn't occur till the protest is recieved in writing with the protest fee) anyways the national rules has that for protests and I'm sure SCCA rules have the same contigency... (keeps the organizers from having to tear apart every single car)