Results from HADA's CNAC Test Event

[tanney]

Yep, like the topic line says, the results have been posted for HADA's CNAC Test Event that happened on Saturday, September 13th.

The formatting truly sucks (I had to use a Microsoft product and it screwed up all the formatting I had painstackingly setup (Bill Gates is the antichrist)) but they are up regardless.

HADA Motorsport Club's CNAC Test Event Results (http://www.hadamotorsport.com/events/091303-cnac/hada_cnacfeeler.html)

Enjoy!

[roooo]

Aw crap there's a Cooper-S in GS. Time for a new car, or time to move up to a different class...

[Nissan Racer]

After reading through the class system, it seems as screwed up for putting cars in the wrong class as our system is. So far I don't see an advantage.

[Chris P]

your right.

The only advantage is haivng a national set of rules which is a good thing IMO. Also it align oru rules more closely with what is seen in the USA making it easier for people to prepare a car for that here.

[Marsh]

I think cooper S's need to go into Super Sport.:confused: Of course it doesn't help that the two coopers are being driven by two of the best drivers that Ontario Solo2 has seen in several years.

[Logan]

Originally posted by roooo
Aw crap there's a Cooper-S in GS. Time for a new car, or time to move up to a different class...
That is incorrect, Cooper S is stock in DS.

[Nissan Racer]

I looked up the rules and I too saw the CooperS in our class, but chances are I'll be in SS anyways next year so it won't be a big deal

[neonstef]

I have 3 more points to play with in DSS so time to figure out what to spend those points on. First things first got to get some R's

[ShaneG]

That is incorrect, Cooper S is stock in DS.

Logan, The Cooper S is GS (stock) but jumps to DSS - at least that was my interpretation of the rules on Sat.

the Cooper S is listed in GS but not in any of the SS/ SP classes so I went with the ruling at the end of DSS/SP that states "All V6 and Turbo 4 cyl. sedans under 3.0 L Not Otherwise Classified"

Believe me I was searching everywhere for another class for them ;) :D

[Logan]

Strange,
When I was in PEI with Taylor we were discussing the cooper S, the rules we were looking at showed the S in DS, and the NA cooper somewhere else.
Hmm, if it's in GS, maybe I should stay in DS... hahah!

[Doug Phillips]

Marsh,

If you run the CNAC rules at the end of this year you might find it interesting to list old and new classes and Pax the numbers to see which cars are losing Pax time and which ones are gaining.

Some cars (stock Cooper S in GS) seem to have up to a 2 second time drop.

In FS stock I am adding .2 to .3 seconds from C1 but end up losing almost .5 second from you and .7 from Tony M.

[Doug Phillips]

Wes,

Can you post the PAX numbers for the CNAC rules that might be used?

[spoonie]

so was the cooper s in DSS classed correctly?

~spoonie

[Logan]

I think it was. Tony had a sway bar, as well as R's and non-factory sized wheels.
3 points, only 2 allowed in stock.

[spoonie]

ok. in that case i'm SO toast next year. :)

~spoonie

[Logan]

You and me both!

[gatherer]

the mini cooper s was in GS for the nationals in Red deer

the mini cooper (base model) is in HS.... personally I think they should both be bumped up (DS and GS respectively ...

are the classification of cars revisited every year in the CNAC meetings?

[Martini Focus]

If that was classed correctly that sucks. I get bumped into DSS because there is no HSS class. I was happy to get out of the shark infested waters of Mod this year but seem to have landed in the boosted FWD waters of DSS.

Can I ask why there isn't a separate class for boosted FWD cars or why they aren't put in the same class as the WRX's?

I guess I should just stop complaining and learn to drive better.... or sell my focus for a Mini Cooper S.:rolleyes:

[ice/solo racer]

Marsh-I don't drive a cooperS!!:p :p

I think its funny that a guy with 170hp turbo FWD car factory equiped with lsd,bars and springs is complaining about 146hp supercharged FWD car that weighs about the same has an open diff,soft springs and little sway bars!?.
Last week it was about having to compete against a 115hp 17year old corolla with an open diff!!.
Different rules,same complaints I think:confused:

[spoonie]

i'm just upset i suck as a driver. hopefully that'll change by 2006 :)

~spoonie

[roooo]

The new MINI Cooper was conservatively classed in its first year or two of competition by SCCA because they weren't really sure of where it would shake out.

By all the results in the USA, and even in Ontario, it's clear that it has been classed lower than it should be. They are the cars to have in GS and HS and are ruling the SCCA autocross scene. Realistically, the S model should be up in DS against the Mazdaspeed and Integra Type-R. They all are capable of similar times.

I'm not sure if SCCA is really considering reclassing it for 2004 or not .. they may just leave them as the "overdog" cars for their respective classes and be done with it.

A national ruleset is the way to go for sure. The problem with SCCA's classing system is that there is one car to have in each class which basically dominates the class and most other cars don't stand much of a chance.

Hopefully they are discussing ways around this problem with the current structure, and trying to come up with a better method.

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I think lack of an LSD was one factor that kept the Cooper-S out of DS class. But ... there are more factors than just the basic tech specs of the car....

Cooper-S has a first gear that goes on for days!
Mazdaspeed runs out of first very quickly.
Also, lots of torque steer vs. not much. And wheel hop and power steering lag .... many other factors which can show up when you actually try driving the car but won't show up on paper.

[Logan]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Marsh-I don't drive a cooperS!!:p :p

I think its funny that a guy with 170hp turbo FWD car factory equiped with lsd,bars and springs is complaining about 146hp supercharged FWD car that weighs about the same has an open diff,soft springs and little sway bars!?.
Last week it was about having to compete against a 115hp 17year old corolla with an open diff!!.
Different rules,same complaints I think:confused:

It's not the car I'm afraid of, It's Tony!

[Chris P]

Perhaps you guys are making too big of deal out of the mini's. I believe a 2.2L Impreza won HS and a 85 CRX Si won GS.........with the mini's somewhere behind them. I would reference the website but it seems to be down ATM. Last year the MINI Cooper S was in DS and he quite handly got its ass handed to it by ITR, BMW 330, & WRX's.

Before you start complianing about how a car is classified please look at your own situation, am i driving near the limit? has my car been optimized for the class?

Marshall may actually have a real issue and the SCCA has chosen to ignore preludes and consider them to be only compeditive on a regional level. However if you look back through some results i'm sure you'll find some preludes doing very well and in the trophies at the NATS.

To be truely serious about this stuff you need to look at a cars autoX class BEFORE you even buy the car. However this isn't national level stuff and i'm sure alien drivers could make any car work in thier respective class.

[AlienDNA]

Originally posted by spoonie
i'm just upset i suck as a driver. hopefully that'll change by 2006 :)

~spoonie

Spoonie, I feel your pain. Gettin' spanked in the novice rankings by a guy in Camaro and a chick in a Mustang, my self esteem is pretty low right now.:D

Seriously though, congrats to Doug and Julie. You folks can DRIVE!

[roooo]

Well, results from 2003 Nationals are posted
http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nationals/2003/results/index.html

Use that for further speculation :)
Looks like the Cooper-S didn't completely dominate GS. Although the HS soup may have something to worry about from the normal Cooper.

I'm not sure what results you were looking at when you said an Impreza 2.2L won but for HS:
1. MINI Cooper
2. MINI Cooper
3. MINI Cooper
4. MINI Cooper
5. BMW 318i
6. MINI Cooper
7. MINI Cooper
8. Impreza 2.2L

In the end, I just need to learn how to drive better. That and possibly also move to a sport where my car is not instantly uncompetitive in its class.

[Chris P]

Sorry, yeah i dunno where i was seeing the impreza before.....meh

Anyway the results for HS are somewhat messed. I really don't see any top drivers there in anything other then a MINI. Its the flavour of the month..... :o

[Chris P]

PS, i tellz ya dat de website was down, bout time they have it back up. Where would we be if we can't reference NAT results........

[Chris P]

damn the world, The celica beat up the CRX in GS on the secound course.



Krispy.......thinking its time to prepare mom's celica for National SOLO 2......

[Chris P]

PS, one last thing, if you look at the 2002 results Matthew Murray beat all the MINI's. It could be argued that it just took another year of development of the MINI's to win the class OR look at where he actually lost the time. Rain is not so friendly to RWD cars and the MINI pulled a pretty big lead that day. I'm guessing Mathew coned so much on the course 2 in the dry because he was just trying to make up for so much lost time in the rain.

Krispy.....believes closer examination of the results is required

[Chris P]

I'm posting this because i think 5 is a better number then 4 :cool:

[Marsh]

Chris, go to bed. The fatigue is showing...

[ice/solo racer]

Doug I used to very much fear Tony,and rightly so but he can be beaten!!:eek:
If a carpenter from the near north can so could you-its all about postive reinforcement.Besides Tony sems to peak VERY early in his runs and you are able to continue to find time(sucked for me once)so you never know.
Thats my positive reinforcement message,think I'll get some coffee now.

[AcidGord]

Matt Murray was at Slemon this year and he was a pleasure to watch. That man knows how to wring every possible ounce of of that BMW. He was 6 seconds faster than the 2nd place in HS. Hell with the times he was getting he would have dominated SS and almost SP too.

[Taylor]

Yes Matt is last years HS National Champion, dude knows how to drive. If it was raining, I think thats about all you needed to know right there. He should no doubt have been higher in the standings.

The Top 17 guys in BS are on Hoosiers... it's a whole different ballgame of seriousness out there. :) Wow.. look at all those S2000's.. 60 people in one class and at least 40 of them are S2Ks.

Out of the top 15 cars in ES, only 1 isn't an MR2. :) Damn, I really need to figure that car's setup out. It should be a killer (maybe if I left it stock eh? Bah!)

[Chris P]

Maybe MR2 just needs a nut behind the wheel adjustment.......

[Taylor]

If this is your way of wrangling your self into co-driving, it's not going to work. :)

[MiG-29 Foxbat]

Originally posted by Taylor
MR2. :) Damn, I really need to figure that car's setup out. It should be a killer (maybe if I left it stock eh? Bah!)

Use Gran Turismo dude! :o

[Chris P]

boo

[Keith-02Accord]

boo hoo to you too!

[Chris P]

silence ELY

[gatherer]

Originally posted by Chris P
silence ELY

YIPPERS UNITE!!!!