Ouch this hurts.....

[gatherer]

well anyone want to comment on these ... the first one gives me concern.... Weren't they looking for CASC afiliation and ASN insurance ? stunts like this could hurt us all....

http://coalitionformusiced.ca/Jason_test/safetyconcern.jpg


the condition of the parking lot .... :(
http://coalitionformusiced.ca/Jason_test/tires1.jpg

and another shot of it.... :(

http://coalitionformusiced.ca/Jason_test/tires2.jpg

I went parking lot hunting this evening..... am I off my rocker? or are my concerns justified....??

[Sean]

where/when was this?
looks to me to be at the brampton entertainment centre, at what i would assume to be a HADA event, but i cant really be sure...

anyhow, thats definately unneccesary, and above all just complete disrespect for the venue owners. they dont have to allow the use of their private parking lots to us for these kickass events, and to go ahead and tear the hell out of them like that is plain ignorant.

of course, it does look fun, but at what cost.

[AcidGord]

HADA definitely not.

http://www.driftnation.com/home.html

My god. If I were that lot owner I'd be FLIPPING. I really hope this doesn't affect HADA's continued use of the lot.

[gatherer]

r anyone elses ... TAC and BAC use that lot too ... I wouldn't want them to be forced away either...

my main concern is the rifting with a foot our the window and the door open with other cars our there... ASN probably doesn't have a policy that covers foolishness.... maybe our concerns were well founded to begin with

[Nissan Racer]

The worst part was the pros were doing that, then the students were trying it...only a matter of time before someone gets hurt badly.

[soloZ]

What you went :eek: :eek:

[ice/solo racer]

I was there today,very cool!!! too bad about the location however,like I said in a much earlier post-drifting has its place and parking lots like this one isn't it.
The "local" drifting attempts were quite lame(I so should've entered the corolla!!) in my opinion and only the signal twins warranted my entry fee.Of the local so called drifters not one of them was recognized by me as solo guys,just an observation.
Nice attempt at safety by organizers with tons of barriers and security etc,but it was a little crazy letting those signal guys do their thing heading towards the crowd and coming within about 15' with nothing more than a curb and a crowd fence to stop a runaway car if something went wrong.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
The worst part was the pros were doing that, then the students were trying it...only a matter of time before someone gets hurt badly.

negatory

the studen'ts only waved in mid-drift.

at no time during sunday did i see the locals have their foot out the window or doors opening.

i'm pretty sure they know they aren't ready for that yet.

[TFGR]

I really think this is bad in so many ways!
Motorsport?????
Ummmm.....NO!
Retarded?????
Ummmm....Yes!

And opening the door while your car is sideways, for style points......Don't get me going on that.....

This crap will just give other sanctioned events (like Solo 2) a
bad name! REAL BAD....and QUICKLY. All it takes is one cop to photograph and document this.....and drifting AND Solo2 is over in the venues we use now!!!

:mad:

[roooo]

You should have seen the lot Saturday morning before any of the drifting started.

There were very obvious tire marks left from solo 2 events past, especiall around the light pole in the north west corner, and scorched pavement in the start box and stop box areas.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by TFGR
I really think this is bad in so many ways!
Motorsport?????
Ummmm.....NO!
Retarded?????
Ummmm....Yes!

And opening the door while your car is sideways, for style points......Don't get me going on that.....

This crap will just give other sanctioned events (like Solo 2) a
bad name! REAL BAD....and QUICKLY. All it takes is one cop to photograph and document this.....and drifting AND Solo2 is over in the venues we use now!!!

:mad:

and what exactly is the def'n of motorsport in your opinion?

[mr_sinister]

I really think this is bad in so many ways!
Motorsport?????
Ummmm.....NO!
Retarded?????
Ummmm....Yes!


Why does this not qualify as motorsport? What makes going sideways around a parking lot any less sporting than going through cones?

The organizer of this event spefically told the Brampton Center that the event would be about doing "controlled sliding".. and they were ok with that.

[roooo]

Oh Tom .. yes you should have come out !
You could have given the RX-3 a run for its money for the loudest car on the course. And you could have walked away with $2000 USD to spend on brake upgrades.

The CSCR guys who showed up were not very impressive. They may know how to drag race and setup a car for circuit but they obviously have no clue about drifting.

It was interesting to see one of the Sprongl brothers there with another guy driving a 3-week old turbo AE86. Too bad it had clutch problems, otherwise it had a good chance at the finals.


As far as the comment on drivers not drifting well on Saturday. Remeber that day was the school day and not all of them had any previous experience. Almost all of them improved a lot today. Saturday was mostly either understeering or spinning out but today they had learned to actually get the car sideways early in the corner and hold it there without spinning.

As I remember, there was only one crazy guy from Quebec who was opening his door and what not on Saturday. Everyone else was well behaved.


You were concerned about the closeness of cars to spectators? Well OK that is fair but they are professional drivers in professionally prepared cars. I have been more nervous at autocrosses with amateur drivers in cars which are less then optimally prepared. Not every autocross course keeps drivers particularly far away from obstacles and bystanders either.

[Taylor]

See the previous post on this... none of what you saw should come as a surprise. There's one video posted there that has a whole show of a guy hanging out his car, fake falling out, climbing into another through the window (while it's spinning and drifting), leaving the car while in motion, then it changes over to using 5 girls in bikinis as pylons as a half dozen cars go one after the other drifting around them..

Yes, these guys were good... however the potential for heavy injury is most definately there... still I think in all fairness those kinds of demonstations should be viewed not much differently from a Circus. They're performers... course driving a 3,000lb car within 15 feet of spectators with nothing concrete between them doesn't sound terribly bright.

Anyhow, sounds to me like BCFSAE knew what was occuring so that part doesn't bother me personally... however, what does is something going wrong and AutoX getting somehow caught in the middle. But until then... what can you do. Definately appears they wen't to extremes to achieve a level of safety and security... (with the exception of the report of the star guys playing chicken with the crowd. :) At least it was the headliners and not a student...

[superdave]

Some of you guys need to pull your head out of your asses. :rolleyes:
If you don't like it DON'T GO TO IT. Personally I think its great. Seeing this outburst towards the drifting community makes me wonder about what i used to think was a cool solo community. No more. Personally I think this event was better run that lots of the solo II events I was at. ESPECIALLY considering this is the first of its kind in Canada. Maybe I'll join the drifters with my 7. :eek:

[soloZ]

Actually Rowan I was told that that guys isn't a Sprongal sorry. I was missinformed.

[Lafora]

turbo 86 = Paul Neethling

[roooo]

Oh ... by the way because I don't think most people know this or will go search it out ..

But there is a difference in my opinion between the organized drift competitions such as D1 Grand Prix, and the showoff events. This was a bit of a combination with exhibition by the Signal team and competition for the local guys.

At competitions there is not really any of the door-open hands and feet out the window stuff as they are too busy setting up for the next corner of the circuit.

( See the old-by-now Advan Mobara promo video if you can find it online )


As far as the location and the possibility of conflict between autocross and drifting, I don't think they plan on having another parking lot again. The previous 3 schools they held were at Shannonville, and they are planning on having future events at a race track.

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by Lafora
negatory

the studen'ts only waved in mid-drift.

at no time during sunday did i see the locals have their foot out the window or doors opening.

i'm pretty sure they know they aren't ready for that yet.
I did see it on Sat and Sun.
And since they didn't seem to be able to get anything other than the front wheels sliding on all but a very few runs, I don't think they are ready for driftiing, let alone the showy crap we saw, and hey what about the dildo sitting on the door sill of the car when it was drifting around at the end of the day? what a bunch of tools.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
[B]And since they didn't seem to be able to get anything other than the front wheels sliding on all but a very few runs, I don't think they are ready for driftiing,have their foot out?


really? guess you didn't stick around for the local competition. cuz some of the 240 guys were doing very well for beginner drifters IMO.

as far as haivng hteir foot out,
i highly doubt it.

aside from that fellow from montreal, almost ALL of the amateur competitors were pretty busy controlling their drifts.

maybe if you took a pic of it, it'd be more persuasive..but i honestly don't remmeber the locals pulling stunts like that.


speaking of a comment made by ice/solo racer in that none of the competitors had any solo experience.

just curious as to why none of you soloII guys went to give it a whirl since the impressiong u'r giving me as an outsider is that drifting is inferior to soloII.

well if it's inferior, maybe you could've showed us all how to do it ;)

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by Lafora

aside from that fellow from montreal, almost ALL of the amateur competitors were pretty busy controlling their drifts.



Is that what they call it when the front end of the car pushes right off the course?

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
Is that what they call it when the front end of the car pushes right off the course?

did you stick around for the finals?

one run out of the 10 had some guy suffer plowing of cones w/ his front end.

you coulda went and registered to show those guys how it was done you know ;)

[gatherer]

what can't see the foot out the window of the car with the open door ... (right foot).....

here's the image again:

http://coalitionformusiced.ca/Jason_test/safetyconcern.jpg

[Lafora]

Originally posted by gatherer
what can't see the foot out the window of the car with the open door ... (right foot).....

here's the image again:

http://coalitionformusiced.ca/Jason_test/safetyconcern.jpg

FROM THE AMATEURS hello?

i never said the signal guys didn't do it
i'm saying i didn't see the AMATEURS do that stunt.

maybe if you actually took the time to read what i wrote insteead of seeing this red mist over your eyes cuz "YOUR" lot is getting busted, we might have a somewhat meaningful discussion here.

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by Lafora
did you stick around for the finals?

one run out of the 10 had some guy suffer plowing of cones w/ his front end.

you coulda went and registered to show those guys how it was done you know ;)
It crossed my mind, but I thought I'd keep my car on the safe side of the fence.

[Lafora]

:rolleyes:
considering it was ran when one car was allowed on at one time, i don't see how it'd be any dangerous unless the driver put himself into that situation.

[Nissan Racer]

I saw some close calls when the guys went up to recieve their "awards" then spun their cars around going back to the pits..
Hey that reminds me...didn't we see those rednecks at the WOSCA winter slalom (after event ended) doing the same stuff in their jacked up '80's pickups?

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
It crossed my mind, but I thought I'd keep my car on the safe side of the fence.
Personally, If I was going to run my car at anything this weekend, it would have been the SoloI event on the Pro track at Shannonville. I'd rather be running for time than style points. But then again I tend to have a rather competitive personality.

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
Personally, If I was going to run my car at anything this weekend, it would have been the SoloI event on the Pro track at Shannonville. I'd rather be running for time than style points. But then again I tend to have a rather competitive personality.

well i'm glad we agreed on something ;)

that's why i didn't enter this actually, cuz i had an open lapping session at fabi yesterday evening.

can't pass that up :) winter's near!!! :mad:

[Nissan Racer]

Are you going to the last Kensai day?

[Lafora]

personally uncomfortable with mosport :( i've seen vids and it's just so darn intimidating :p

i've ran fabi exclusively this season (prolly 8-10x) + 2x nelson.

i think image has a full track / pro track on thxgiving and i might give that a whirl.

if nothing dramatic happens, i'll go out to a kensai day / join the bmw school @ mosport next year.

[ice/solo racer]

Lafora the ONLY reason that I didn't compete was the $120 entry fee,when I first contacted driftnation about registering I asked about only running on the sunday and was told no problem that'll be $60 please.When I went to send the registration in a week or so later I was told that the fee was $120 if I ran one day or the 2 day deal.
Since I could only attend sundays event the fee simply wasn't justified to me,after seeing the 15 second or so course today I'm certainly glad that I didn't bother,like I said earlier I enjoyed watching the signal guys-the rest was simply boring.
Don't get me wrong I did enjoy myself and I was surprised at the amount of effort made to host the event but without the signal guys there to encourage everyone drifting as a sport would die a pretty quick death me thinks.

[Lafora]

i was kinda surprised they had all that down time when no one was doing anything.

i'm sure they had their reasons.. but it coulda been more beneficial for the entrants if they were allowed to do practise runs when the course wasn't being used methinks.

oh well, what do i know lol, i didn't run the event.

[speedevo]

i thought it was a pretty good run event, gotta give the signal guys respect for their control of their cars even if they had a foot out the window and standing on the with the car in neutral,

btw who was the guy in the PITL shirt? if you even post here i was the guy who came in the black teg in the end to help pack up.

[monkeymagic]

oh man, save your drama for your mama.
look man, it's probably a one time thing only, so stop crying and spreading the word on how bad drifting is for the community.

btw were u even there to witness it? if not, i have no idea why you bothered stealing my photos and posting on how the event wasn't organized nor safe.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid80/pfbd9267649007968d6828ebac4aacc97/fb05d1eb.jpg hello, kids! the first lesson for today is, "DRIFTING IS BAD, UMMKAY..."

[TFGR]

Originally posted by mr_sinister
Why does this not qualify as motorsport? What makes going sideways around a parking lot any less sporting than going through cones?

The organizer of this event spefically told the Brampton Center that the event would be about doing "controlled sliding".. and they were ok with that.

Your kidding me right?

Because each pass is judged....not first to the finish line or fastest time....but judged. Judged on how you can hang yourself out of a moving vehicle!

Motorsport?.....Please.:rolleyes:
Trained monkey's riding around a circus ring on mopeds, is more of a Motorsport than this crap!

[JAYh]

SHEESH.
I'm sure people said exactly the same thing about solo-II back in the day when it was the new sport on the block. "Not safe, too rowdy, destroys the car park, makes way too much noise, none of these guys can control their cars very well, ETC. Why, us open-wheel racers could EASILY hand them all their backsides but we're just better than that."
Maybe it's 'cause I've never organised an event but I really don't see the problem here? I'm sure the lot owner understands the drifting and the solo-II are run by different groups. And don't kid yourself, s/he knows EXACTLY what is going on at his/her lot.

BTW, ya, I remember the mullets in the lifted trucks at the end of the WOSCA event... They destroyed our safety snowbank-barrier!

- J

[Lafora]

Originally posted by TFGR
Your kidding me right?

Because each pass is judged....not first to the finish line or fastest time....but judged. Judged on how you can hang yourself out of a moving vehicle!

Motorsport?.....Please.:rolleyes:
Trained monkey's riding around a circus ring on mopeds, is more of a Motorsport than this crap! guess you need to write a letter to the IOC to take out diving, gymnastics, and figure skating :rolleyes:

[TFGR]

Originally posted by Lafora
guess you need to write a letter to the IOC to take out diving, gymnastics, and figure skating :rolleyes:

Your calling these Motorsports?

Stop drinking now......your head will hurt in the morning!

[Lafora]

Originally posted by TFGR
Your calling these Motorsports?

Stop drinking now......your head will hurt in the morning!

what you said is parallel to what i said.

you said drifiting isn't a sport becuase it's JUDGED

well last time i chked, the sports i listed are considered as sports by the olympic committee
so to see if your argument holds any water, maybe you can suggest (or start some form of a protest) to the IOC to remove those activities from competition.

cuz surely when something's judged, it can't be a sport right? :rolleyes:

[super seven]

Example : autocross is like hockey.
drifting is like figure skating
drifting sucks as does figure skating

[TFGR]

Originally posted by Lafora
what you said is parallel to what i said.

you said drifiting isn't a sport becuase it's JUDGED

well last time i chked, the sports i listed are considered as sports by the olympic committee
so to see if your argument holds any water, maybe you can suggest (or start some form of a protest) to the IOC to remove those activities from competition.

cuz surely when something's judged, it can't be a sport right? :rolleyes:

No dumb azz, I said drifting isn't a motorsport!!!

Stop mis-quoting me....and go to bed....its late.

Good night!

[Lafora]

Originally posted by TFGR
No dumb azz, I said drifting isn't a motorsport!!!

Stop mis-quoting me....and go to bed....its late.

Good night!

i think i'll do just that.

not like i'm the one who's gonna "lose" a lot and have no place to play and have to resort to bitching on the internet.

so while u think of ways to see how you dont' lose ur sandbox, i'll head in thank you.

btw..watching this thread unfold makes me ALMOST wish that you guys DO lose it.

cuz this is one SICKENING display of close-mindedness when it comes to other forms of automobile ACTIVITY.
:rolleyes:

[soloZ]

Originally posted by speedevo
i thought it was a pretty good run event, gotta give the signal guys respect for their control of their cars even if they had a foot out the window and standing on the with the car in neutral,

btw who was the guy in the PITL shirt? if you even post here i was the guy who came in the black teg in the end to help pack up.


That was me I was standing beside Pat (sentra hater of drifting 69) Nice car by the way, I was the guy that dove the white Z24 at the PITL events.

[mike_moss]

I was there, I helped out, I had a blast, I got to see the show for free (as well as some other perks)...and guess what? Autocross experience let me do this all. (Thanks for a wonderful first season!)

I respect those who can drive their car technically, consistantly, with accuracy and skill...and guess what? Pro Drifters as well as most of the top Autocrossers have those things in common.

I also enjoyed seeing the same rookies (a title to which I can relate to) who were plowing the lot like a corn field Saturday morning, actually perform a controlled drift Sunday afternoon.

With all that said, I don't see much difference except for a huge turnout ($$$), offset by a bit (hehe) more tire marks left in the lot.

[mike_moss]

BTW, if those pics were the best you could do, hit me up, I have over 700 meg's of amateur and professional drifting action from this weekend.

I also have a couple of gigs of media from this past autocross season you could play pessimist with. :rolleyes:

[superdave]

GUYS. Its simple. Really. If you don't like it, don't ****ing go. You must be morons to go to something you don't like. Shut the hell up already. Do you guys EVER stop bitching?

[Chris P]

This thread is silly............boo hoo to you guys and leave the drifters alone!

Since i wasn't there I have no place to comment whether this was a good event or not but i think you guys are making too big of deal out of this. What on earth are you trying to accomplish here?????? This doesn't look good for anybody and i highly suggest you refrain from posting unless you have something constructive to say.



I'm sure this thread is being read by people from other automotive enthusiast message boards. To these people, please do not judge SOLO based on a minorities comments and views.

[Nissan Racer]

I think these guys that are pro drifting are just a little too sensitive. Before the event , when comments were made, responses were "Why don't you go and see if its so bad."
Now that some of us did and were treated to such idiotic sights as people hanging out of doors, and drifters being allowed so close to spectators (Solo II does have specific rules against this) and are willing to still say "yeah, it sucks," now we just shouldn't have gone.
Well guess what, some of us will not ever see the value of these type of events...and yeah some will not see the value of SoloI/II. And thats fine, everybody is allowed an opinion. But to say "Shut the hell up" shows a lack of intelligence.
I have serious issues with it if they want to affiliate and run under our insurance and pull some the crap we saw this weekend. I guess it won't be a minor issue if our insurance rates take another huge jump, or we are refused insurance altogether. I personally think the Solo community should keep its distance from drifting. If they want to continue, fine but do it without Solos support, or affiliation.
If they can get insurance for their events on their own, good for them, but not on our policy.
For the record, I went to see if they could change my mind about drifting, maybe it wasn't as bad as I was led to believe. I remember being told that the hanging out of doors like was shown in some videos posted here and on other boards prior to this event, didn't actually happen at real events. Well apparantly it does. I don't know if its immaturity, lack of self esteem, or just penis envy that causes people to pull stunts like that. Drifting, on a track, doesn't seem so horrible to me, it might even look like fun. But the showoff moves from morons that need some kind of ego gratification, have no place in Motorsport, and will likely end up with someone getting hurt (on our insurance). I think we have every right to point out safety problems. To just shut up and pretend it didn't happen is irresponsible. IMO

[TFGR]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
I think these guys that are pro drifting are just a little too sensitive. Before the event , when comments were made, responses were "Why don't you go and see if its so bad."
Now that some of us did and were treated to such idiotic sights as people hanging out of doors, and drifters being allowed so close to spectators (Solo II does have specific rules against this) and are willing to still say "yeah, it sucks," now we just shouldn't have gone.
Well guess what, some of us will not ever see the value of these type of events...and yeah some will not see the value of SoloI/II. And thats fine, everybody is allowed an opinion. But to say "Shut the hell up" shows a lack of intelligence.
I have serious issues with it if they want to affiliate and run under our insurance and pull some the crap we saw this weekend. I guess it won't be a minor issue if our insurance rates take another huge jump, or we are refused insurance altogether. I personally think the Solo community should keep its distance from drifting. If they want to continue, fine but do it without Solos support, or affiliation.
If they can get insurance for their events on their own, good for them, but not on our policy.
For the record, I went to see if they could change my mind about drifting, maybe it wasn't as bad as I was led to believe. I remember being told that the hanging out of doors like was shown in some videos posted here and on other boards prior to this event, didn't actually happen at real events. Well apparantly it does. I don't know if its immaturity, lack of self esteem, or just penis envy that causes people to pull stunts like that. Drifting, on a track, doesn't seem so horrible to me, it might even look like fun. But the showoff moves from morons that need some kind of ego gratification, have no place in Motorsport, and will likely end up with someone getting hurt (on our insurance). I think we have every right to point out safety problems. To just shut up and pretend it didn't happen is irresponsible. IMO

Thank you!
Well Said!
We (Solo community) SHOULD stay as far away from this as possible. Shit does happen, and I don't want my solo experience to be affected by these type events. Especially with us using the same venues. IF someone does get hurt or killed while styling for points:rolleyes: there goes our insurance and venues. Are our brilliant police/politicians going to distiguish between drifting and Solo2????
Don't answer that. We know the answer.
Yes they do have skill and Yes it IS fun to watch, But so is watching my dog try to hump someones leg......this doesn't make it a motorsport!

[gatherer]

Originally posted by Lafora
FROM THE AMATEURS hello?

i never said the signal guys didn't do it
i'm saying i didn't see the AMATEURS do that stunt.

maybe if you actually took the time to read what i wrote insteead of seeing this red mist over your eyes cuz "YOUR" lot is getting busted, we might have a somewhat meaningful discussion here.

Amateur or pro ? what does it matter? last I checked both were covered by the same insurance and both could possibly mess up and injure themselves or the crowd..

We all know that the less limbs we have attached to control points on a car the less control we have.... and the more dangerous the situation...

if they were using their own insurance I wouldn't be up in arms about it .... but they were using the same insurance we use and I do recall hearing ealrier in the year that that insurance company was looking for a reason to back away.... and that therefore could effect the sport I love ... keeping the BS&E complex parking lot is of less importance since if insurance backs out thats it for everyone.

[tanney]

This post is funny. Thanks for 45 minutes of giggles!

I think there is a couple of unnamed people here who need better sedatives.

[Steven Scala]

I'd been keeping in contact with DriftNation as they were organizing the event. In case there were ideas to the contrary, DriftNation did not get their insurance on CASC's ASN-negotiated policy.

As you know, this policy is exclusive to groups affiliated with the world governing body of motorsport through ASN and its regional affiliates such as CASC.

FIA-affiliated motorsport groups maintain credibility with the insurance industry by fulfilling our mandate to act in the best interests of motorsport and its participants - largely in areas of safety, but also in the areas of business development, among others.

These last two interests are sometimes perceived as conflicting, but they do not need to be. I did post some comments on our potential relationship with drift culture on the teutonic forums (http://www.teutonic.ca/forums/thread.php?threadid=1033&boardid=29&page=1#6 ).

I have also clarified our respective positions in (non-)relation to each other with the Brampton Centre people. They know and appreciate the position and common values of CASC-affiliated clubs.

CASC recognizes a need to maintain open communication with other aspects of enthusiast culture. At the same time, it becomes imperative that CASC and our members respect and remain secure in CASC's own long-standing position as the regional sporting authority for motorsport. There really is no need to take an alarmist position with each emerging trend.

Steven Scala

[gatherer]

well thanks for clearing that up... I guess the information I had recieved was incorrect. well I'm sorry

[AtomicPunk]

You think the foot out the door looked dangerous, you're gonna love my picture of the car doing doughnuts around a guy standing in the parking lot (and Drifter XL has got his foot out the door). Hey, it was billed as an exhibition (at least for the Signal guys) - I loved it it, had a great time.

Drifting Photos (http://www.AtomicPunk.Drifting.photoshare.co.nz)

..Todd

[Carguy]

Lets face it guys, solo may have been there first but drifting is inevitable and probably here to stay. Why not work together to deal with safety/venue/insurance issues? Sniping at each other publicly will only result in lot owners that are less willing to negotiate (or raise fees) and neither side will benefit from the experiences of the other in terms of safety. Any insurance company would naturally have a negotiating advantage if they knew of the bad blood between solo and drifting. Ultimately, both "sports" would suffer. A common organized front between solo and drifting would be much more effective at negotiating for venues and insurance for events.

So let's all check our egos and opinions at the door and deal with the issues that will face both organizations and even try to leverage the strength in collective negotiating to our mutual advantage.

Peace.

[roooo]

I have serious issues with it if they want to affiliate and run under our insurance and pull some the crap we saw this weekend


That's a valid point. But I suppose the real question is ... what would be the benefit of having a drift event/club affilicated with CASC. Is the insurance for events significantly cheaper to make up for the club having to pay out affiliation fees?

At least the people in charge of our organizations can look at things with a level head ...


CASC recognizes a need to maintain open communication with other aspects of enthusiast culture


This is a good stance, and I don't want to see CASC go the way of the SCCA where it is in danger of becoming more of an out of touch dinousaur to whom you pay protection money to be able to run events. Even some of the the SCCA's own members are unhappy .. and if SCCA can't even keep the autocross guys happy then you know there is trouble ;)

[TFGR]

Originally posted by roooo


At least the people in charge of our organizations can look at things with a level head ...



This is a good stance, and I don't want to see CASC go the way of the SCCA where it is in danger of becoming more of an out of touch dinousaur to whom you pay protection money to be able to run events. Even some of the the SCCA's own members are unhappy .. and if SCCA can't even keep the autocross guys happy then you know there is trouble ;)

Hmmmm....good point!

[finboy]

Originally posted by tanney
This post is funny. Thanks for 45 minutes of giggles!

I think there is a couple of unnamed people here who need better sedatives.

the sedatives don't work while taking viagara :mad:

they just need to eat more white rice and less potato's

checked it out on sunday... the local dirfting was poo

i've seen better donuts and crossiants at krispy kreme


the jappers were good though, like figure skating.. i was waiting for one of them to curb or pole their car

looked crazy out of control, yet in control

different strokes for different folks..

personally i wouldn't want solo to be connected with this type of motorsport.

insurance companys would poo their pants watching this stuff


dave t

ps the weather was nice and sunny.. no rain... no umbrella girls

:confused:

we could use umbrella girls :D

[maxrpm]

I find it funny how a few of you bring up the safety issue as if Solo 2 is perfectly safe and there is no chance of people getting hurt. I've participated and watched solo 2 and have found myself uncomfortable watching from certain areas because I felt it was unsafe.

[finboy]

how does anyone determine what is safe?

its simple.. how much does insurance co$t

[ice/solo racer]

I forgot to say thanks to Steven Scala for offering a place to park the corolla next to the CASC tent beside the the other(meaning better)corolla gts or what was left of it.You guys were great and very friendly.
The best part of attending the drift day was the amazing attention the car recieved-it was hard to even see the car at times,even had a hard time just loading it on the trailer with more people wanting info and going thru the car(took me most of an hour to get it strapped down so I could leave!).
To those that think drifting isn't a motorsport-get real,with engines and wheels involved it is a form of motorsports.I don't know if I'd go to another one in a parking lot but on a track I might be tempted-sort of suits my driving style anyways!:D

[Lafora]

speaking of which i'm VERY surprised ur car hasn't sold.

looking at the list done to your car had me drooling yesterday :D

gd luck w/ the sale :) hope you rid of it soon

[ice/solo racer]

Ya I'm kinda suprised as well,shouldn't be long now as the interest was amazing on sunday-oh and that mods list was pretty short compared to items actually replaced/improved.
Kinda wish I didn't have to sell,lotta time spent on it ya know and it is a ball to drive.But having something for close to 4 years is kinda of a record for me-speaks volumes about the car I guess.
I guess if it doesn't sell I turn it into a stud tire ice racer for winter and a drift slut for the summer!!:D

[speedevo]

Originally posted by soloZ
That was me I was standing beside Pat (sentra hater of drifting 69) Nice car by the way, I was the guy that dove the white Z24 at the PITL events.

cool i recognize your car, your very smooth driver man, gotta pick up some tips next season. and maybe get my own t-shirt lol

[RyanC]

I am a very active member of my solo2 community. I don't drift nor do i have any real interest as of yet. Listening to you guys though is very disturbing.

I once had simlilar opinions to yourself about the so called 'drifting' community that i saw locally...usually it amounted to a bunch of teenagers that had watched to many japanese videos and choose to pratice in the worse possible places...like public roads and even using our solo2 events.

While this may still be true, the introduction of real events and true professionals and instructing etc, I feel much better about where it is going. This may all seem very novel to some of you, but it is not. Only in North America...and that is changing.

Safety concerns and all that aside (which btw are unfounded so far), drifting looks to be growing here and these types of controlled events for the enthusiasts can only be good for the motorsports community in general.

If any of you pessimists have any doubts, please review this:
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=motorsportsnews&loc_code=index&content_code=07340329

Better take your closeminded arguements to the SCCA as well...put a stop to this madness, eh?

Ryan

[MitS]

It looks like they painted the lot with rubber! I can't believe Solo2 people are getting flack for worrying about the availablity of the lot for future events. Sure, it may not be "our" lot but 3 clubs currently use this lot for their events. From the pictures it looks like enough rubber was laid down to be equivealent to 30 autocrosses (about 8 years worth for the Brampton Centre). Seriously! I go to the bramton centre on a weekly basis and have often checked for the signs left by Solo2. It pales in comparison. Sometimes you can barely tell (I could hardly see any after the April HADA event). Just look at the Hershey centre lot. Most of the damage to that lot is not from Solo 2 but from other events where burnouts are common.

We all know lots are hard to come by and if certain groups choose to abuse them we could all be left out in the cold. I'm not going to get into attacking Drifiting because I find some of the track drifiting events entertaining. I do, however, have to say that the Brampton Centre was a poor choice for this type of event. They can't be happy with the rubber that was laid down and it has to put usage in some peril for next season. The Brampton Centre is a great lot and it would be a shame if LOCAL clubs were no longer able to use it because of an exhibition.

Flame me, whatever, I could care less. I just care about the future of Solo 2 in a country where governments despise motorsport and even well run events get hassled by police. The last thing we need is to go to war with lot owners or have fees go up to pay for damage by other groups!

All it takes is the actions of the few to mess it up for EVERYONE. This why most people on this board are concerned. I wouldn't think their worries are trivial enough to balk at.

[ice/solo racer]

RyanC,I support the drifting movement in north america although not because I believe its a viable competition but because I love sliding my own cars in a controlled fashion and understand the attraction.BUT since I've attended vitually every form of motorsports events from winston cup to dirt track to pro drag racing all forms of motorcycle racing etc etc I can say I've never seen an event that allowed no encouraged cars at speed to head straight at the crowd with the front wheels pointed right at them with ass hang out and nothing but a curb(which is could easily be the cause of a crash)and small crowd fence to keep a wayward car from entering the spectator area.
I'm not bashing the event in any way BUT the fact is that wasn't the safest idea I've seen at an event for sure.If you think that was safe than either your a lot younger than I or not that bright:D
I don't care about the rubber on the lot,if the owners don't seem to care why would it matter?the rain will wash it off eventually.

[MastaDeeMon]

This thread makes me sick. wah wah wah, we might lose our lot, wah wah wah, they were sliding their cars, blah blah. Gimme a break! It's not like nothing bad has happened at Solo events. I've seen Teg's hammer curbs, S2000's hit trees, Stealths bend rims while bouncing off curbs. Holy crap, if I had based Solo 2 on spectating the first few times, I would have thought it was insane based on all the damage I've seen. I love drifting, and don't tell me 90% of the guys here don't use the E-brake on snowy days to pretend they are the super crazy driftop guy. I am the confident driver I am due to the fact that whenever I had the chance I was sliding my car wherver I could, hell I still try to provoke low speed drifting in my minivan. Stop your crying people, it is a form of motorsport, and it's going to get bigger, so get used to sharing our spaces. I almost want to go back to Drag racing to get away from the elitest B.S. that I keep seeing in Solo and road racing. Or maybe I'll just go drifting!

People just need to chill.

D.

[MSchumacher001]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
RyanC,I support the drifting movement in north america although not because I believe its a viable competition but because I love sliding my own cars in a controlled fashion and understand the attraction.BUT since I've attended vitually every form of motorsports events from winston cup to dirt track to pro drag racing all forms of motorcycle racing etc etc I can say I've never seen an event that allowed no encouraged cars at speed to head straight at the crowd with the front wheels pointed right at them with ass hang out and nothing but a curb(which is could easily be the cause of a crash)and small crowd fence to keep a wayward car from entering the spectator area.
I'm not bashing the event in any way BUT the fact is that wasn't the safest idea I've seen at an event for sure.If you think that was safe than either your a lot younger than I or not that bright:D
I don't care about the rubber on the lot,if the owners don't seem to care why would it matter?the rain will wash it off eventually.

Whatever..... you think it's safe when Rally racers speed by the crowd over 120mph within a couple feet of spectators on either side???? or when they slide through a corner at high speeds with spectators only a couple feet away standing behind nothing but fences??? isn't Rally racing one of the elite forms of Motorsports???
You Solo guys need to quit your crying cause drifting is here to stay whether you like it or not. Like other people have said I've seen my fair share of Solo events and they aren't exactly safe for spectators either.

[maxrpm]

All forms of motorsport has it's dangers for participants and spectators and solo 2 is not free of these dangers as seen in this video, Right Click Save As (http://168.144.104.48/maxrpm/solo2crash.mpeg)

[Dave]

We've got 433 members in this forum and about 4-5 who have a problem with drifting. The problem is, of course, that the vocal few sometimes leave outsiders with the impression that their opinions are somehow representative of the entire community, which of course they are not.

Darren and others annoyed, angered or alienated by this thread, all I would say is please don't be soured on the Solo community as a whole based on the opinions of a couple of guys who have a hate on for drifting. I think most of us just want to get on with the fun of racing our cars in our chosen discipline(s) and let the drifters do their thing.

CASC and the Brampton Center management are very much aware of the differences between Solo 2 and Drifting and they will both make decisions on their future involvement with this emerging form of motorsport based on what is in their best interest. Sanctioning bodies in the U.S. including SCCA and NASA are both developing Drift programs because they are trying to be progressive, foward-thinking organizations that want to grow with and support new trends in motorsports. I don't think anyone here should be surpised if CASC-OR is considering doing the same.

[MSchumacher001]

Originally posted by jason_alt
The backlash that drifting has been receiving isn't what surprises me. It's the source from which it's coming from that does. I'd expect this sort of closemindedness to stem from someone who never partook in a motorsports event, but to read comments from fellow enthusiasts who are knocking down drifting makes me shake my head.

These pros know what they're doing, and I think drifting has left a bad taste in some people's mouths only because this particular event took place at the Hershey Centre. You don't own it guys, plain and simple. No ifs, ands, or buts. It's not your right, nor are you solely entitled to the generosity of the owners to use their lot. Drifting has to start somewhere, and it looks like a small venue such as the Hershey Centre did wonders for the exposure these guys are looking for. A full page review with accompanying action pics in this weekends' Wheels section is a success in my books. Don't worry though. The momentum is picking up and soon these events will be taking place at bigger, 'safer' venues, continuing to draw in big crowds and garnering huge exposure, all while the solo community continues to struggle attracting new competitors and gaining more exposure. I believe the Hershey Centre was just a small bump in the road which drifting is taking (or is that sliding?) straight to the top.

That is very well said.

[Dave]

Jason, the DriftNation event was at the Brampton Center, not the Hershey Center, but your point is well taken.

BTW, here's a neat picture I took of your Rex with it's "brother" from Quebec. Thank Caius for pointing this out to me from the tower and getting me to take the picture :)

http://www.hadamotorsport.com/TeamOrangeHondasSmall2.JPG

[ice/solo racer]

Perhaps you should reread my post before you start ragging on my ass,I said that I support drifting!,I also said nothing about losing the lot because of drifters!,I also said that I was in no way bashing the event.Oh and for the record I race a ae86 corolla!!
I love pro rally and have attended a few events but I have enough brain power to not stand on the OUTSIDE of a rally corner or in a position that has the potential to place a car on my head.A rally is a little different in that the spectators pretty much stand wherever the hell they like as safety marshells to police the entire stage is an impossibility.
My point for the drift day was that the ONLY place that you could stand was not the safest,and I don't care how professional the drivers are mistakes happen.
You must have attended some pretty wild autox's there mastadeemon as in over 5 years of solo2 involvement I finally witnessed my first incident this summer,it wasn't pretty and I feel for the owner of the car.But I've never even seen a bent rim or so much as a scratch as a result from solo2 competition(lots of pylon marks that rub off;) )

[Nissan Racer]

I don't see how raising safety concerns qualifies as "hating" drifting. The pros were doing dumb things which encourage the locals to mimic them. I don't recall ever seeing anybody hang out of a car at a Solo I/II event, but hey I'm new, maybe at some events it is considered OK. Anybody that has so much as an arm out the window at a Regional event is usually talked to and told it is not acceptable.
Other than that, I don't hate drifting, I just found it intensly boring.

[Nissan Racer]

Just found this...I guess the pros can screw up once in awhile
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/p6e2bc504a3a3fba412e590e2e07167d6/fafdc1e3.jpg

[MSchumacher001]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
The pros were doing dumb things which encourage the locals to mimic them. I don't recall ever seeing anybody hang out of a car at a Solo I/II event

Those are just dumb remarks coming from someone who obiviously knows nothing about the motorsport of drifting.

[finboy]

you've never heard of the term

monkey see monkey do???

must be a coincidence that a poo load of aftermarket items
are from fast & the furious

and there's more neon around now vs. the 70's

there are wankers everywhere...

every sport has its showboats.... but no doubt.. skill is involved...

you needz to have dem skillz to be a show off


-moto cross
-skiing
-skateboarding

etc...

if they can keep the drifting events at the track instead of local parking lots (not enough room)

i don't think us coneheads would care then.....

might even have solo guys givn'n it a go as well...

(there are closet drifters everywhere.....)

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by MSchumacher001
Those are just dumb remarks coming from someone who obiviously knows nothing about the motorsport of drifting.

Edit: I'm gonna let this go. Obviously there are differing opinions on where, when, how and if this belongs in Ontario as a future sideshow event. Since this is a SoloOntario forum, and we can agree that drifting will not be associated with Solo in the future. I don't see that argueing it any further will solve anything.

[tanney]

Teeheehee, more giggles. You people are funny!

[ADAM]

...same drift car...one week later in the usa

http://web.njit.edu/~mcl3/random/signal_dmg.jpg

[mike_moss]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
Edit: I'm gonna let this go. Obviously there are differing opinions on where, when, how and if this belongs in Ontario as a future sideshow event. Since this is a SoloOntario forum, and we can agree that drifting will not be associated with Solo in the future. I don't see that argueing it any further will solve anything.
You sure it's time? :rolleyes:

[Nissan Racer]

Not nessessarily :D

[Nissan Racer]

especially when so many are easily goaded into foolish arguements...

[haniforama]

SHIFT_argumentative

[Dave]

LOL...for the love of variable valve timing, let this thread DIE....

[tanney]

LOL...for the love of variable valve timing, let this thread DIE....
Oh come on, I need some more giggles (you can never have too many giggles).

Did you notice that I refrained from posting my opinion? Holy self restraint! I'm sure most of you realize I have no opinion on most subjects........

[Nissan Racer]

OK then, just for Wes:
Drifters are a bunch of no talent, slow ass wussies :D
That ought to get them going again :D

[super seven]

Do you wanna be like Wayne Gretzky or Brian Orser?

[Lafora]

why not LeMay Doan? :D

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by super seven
Do you wanna be like Wayne Gretzky or Brian Orser?
Geez, they're both kind of sissies....

[mike_moss]

Fueling the fire:
http://www.jdmrus.com/draft.wmv (Right Click/Save As)