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Carguy
10-06-2003, 02:50 AM
Hey all,
I just returned from a very exciting trip to Calabogie on Saturday. As some of you may already know the rumors are true: development of a new track in Calabogie is underway and has advanced significantly. Me and 3 car club buddies headed out there on Saturday morning just to get a peak. What we found was a track that is almost fully excavated with gravel or crushed stone already stamped down. It's basically cut out of the forest and literally carved out of stone - the Canadian shield, actually. The track will certainly rival Mont Tremblant's for picturesque setting and difficulty.
Since we did not see anyone in the immediate vicinity we decided to take a little drive around the track. We had to keep the speed very low but what we saw of the layout was many elevation changes, one or two blind corners and very long straight combined with nice tight turns. As we got further around the track we happened on a crane operator clearing some heavy rocks. When he spotted us he stopped the crane and came over to chat with us. To our suprise he happens to be one of the owners of the track and was very pleased to share some information about the track!
The track was designed by Alan Wilson of Wilson Motorsports (http://www.wilsonmotorsport.com/default.htm.). Aaccording to the owner, Wilson himself is very excited about this particular project and believes that a driver could spend a couple of seasons figuring out the lines on this track and still not have tried them all. Apparently he was retained for the design only but flies back every now and then to catch up on the progress - out of pocket. The track will likely be ready for asphalt by the end of October or perhaps in November so that the asphalt and terrain can settle over the winter. He plans to have the track opened by late July or early August 2004.
If you're within a 6-7 hour drive of Ottawa/Calabogie you owe it to yourself to try it at least once. According to the owners this track is going to be fast, and technically challenging with countless possibilities in terms of driving lines.
Here are some teaser pics of the track. I edited the drawing to reflect the named corners I remember from our conversation with the owner. I hope to post more pics soon. I can't wait...
PS: On the drive up there we used the 511 from Perth. This road is well known to bikers for is high-speed twisty bits and leads right to the track. Highly entertaining and recommended!
Carguy
10-06-2003, 02:51 AM
Pic 1
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10-06-2003, 02:51 AM
Pic 2
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10-06-2003, 02:52 AM
Pic 3
Carguy
10-06-2003, 02:52 AM
Track layout
That should do for a little fun!
Kudo's to the owner for starting this venture.
Someone tell him to start a second track closer to Toronto please!:(
I wish it was a little closer to T.O. aswell but the more the merrier :) It should atleast aleviate the demand on some of the other tracks and in general increase the lapping days available. Besides mmm new asphalt :)
Any idea if there will be a karting facility there, something like the DDT?
maxrpm
10-06-2003, 09:24 AM
Yes another track to try out next year, looking forward to it! Thanks for the pictures!
rmicroys
10-06-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by TFGR
That should do for a little fun!
Kudo's to the owner for starting this venture.
Someone tell him to start a second track closer to Toronto please!:(
Quit your whining! You've got more tracks closer to Toronto than Ottawa has close to it. Just be glad that we're going to have another excellent racing facility in Ontario. I hope that by 2005 we even race regional road races at the facility. I know all the Toronto folks are likely not to come, but hey... that's not my problem.
Hopefully by late summer we'll be able to try it out... :D
maxrpm
10-06-2003, 11:13 AM
Hopefully the locals do not win their petition against the rezoning!
http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/News/news_id105.html
SEPTEMBER 2: A new circuit in Canada's Ontario province looks set open in 2004 - provided opposition from local residents doesn't force a rethink.
Developers want to open Calabogie Motorsports Park in July next year, with the track playing host to test sessions, track days and minor series racing seven days a week.
Construction is understood to already be 50 percent underway, with paving expected to begin in December.
The 5km circuit has been penned by experienced designer Alan Wilson, who created the acclaimed Barber Motorsports Park and Mont Tremblant revisions, among other projects.
However, local residents look set to oppose plans to re-zone the area of land for the track and have already started a petition against the proposals.
If re-zoning is given the go-ahead, the track could be ready as soon as spring 2004.
John Hamilton, the vice-president and director for Calabogie Motorsports, along with the project manager, Chris Fleming, said the track will be good for the local economy.
"This will be super for the area," said Hamilton, pointing to the success of similar tracks in the region such as the one at Mont Tremblant, which is also run by Fleming.
"We're not going to be sanctioned for big races," said Hamilton. "People are getting it in their heads we're going to have unmuffled Formula 1 cars racing here. That's not the case."
Hamilton said everything will be within provincial noise limitations and the company has hired a Toronto firm to do a noise study to make sure they conform.
Carguy
10-06-2003, 11:35 AM
About karting... The owner did not mention anything about catering to the karting crowd. As you can see in the layout there is an East and West track. The larger one is west. I'm not sure if it's either track is suitable for karting as these are usually smaller and tighter with more turns. The full track is approx. 5km. The long straights are 0.5km each. I don't think they would turn down any organized karting event, but would the karters enjoy such a track?
About the re-zoning issue - no progress to report.
There is also a noise issue with the residents for which the owner said he is gathering some ammunition. The Quarry turn is being dug deeper at additional cost to further reduce the noise level. I don't know how much sound dampening effect the trees will have on noise levels but the height and thickness of the surrounding woods should also help his cause.
thanks for the update, Carguy! The track looks awesome. Are you from the Ottawa RSX Club or something? A lot of RSX's in those pics :)
It's probably what, a four hour drive to this track from the GTA?
maxrpm
10-06-2003, 04:44 PM
According to Mapoint it's only a 4h34min drive....Click (http://mappoint.msn.com/(3vrnnx55x0w0w245nje2m0vg)/directions.aspx?&StartName=Toronto%2c+Ontario%2c+Canada&StartLocation=43.65323%2c-79.38267&EndName=Calabogie%2c+Ontario%2c+Canada&EndLocation=45.30518%2c-76.72155&DataSetLangID=USA%2c409&RouteType=Quickest&RouteUnit=Miles)
Thanks Sam. I assume that MapPoint uses the speed limit to determine length of time, in which case it probably is right around a 4 hour drive if you do 20 km/h over.
maxrpm
10-06-2003, 07:49 PM
Not sure how they calculate it, but you're probably right. Take it with a grain of salt, it may seem likle the best route when calculated by their database but for actual driving who knows. 4 -5 hours sounds about right though.
Carguy
10-06-2003, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Dave
thanks for the update, Carguy! The track looks awesome. Are you from the Ottawa RSX Club or something? A lot of RSX's in those pics :)
It's probably what, a four hour drive to this track from the GTA?
No sweat Dave! Happy to share...
You're pretty close with the travel time. I've frequently made the trip from Mississauga to Ottawa in about 4.5 to 5 hours (at 20-30kmh over the speed limit) hours using the 401-416. This is leaving at 3:00PM on a Friday afternoon and bogging down a bit between Pickering/Ajax and Oshawa. Four hours to Ottawa seems about right if you can avoid the traffic and maintain a good clip. If you go straight through to Calabogie add another 30-45 minutes by switching to the 417 west through Arnprior and finally up the 508 (another fun twisty county road) near Braeside. A better option would be to take Hwy 15 in Kingston up to Smiths Falls, jog back a bit to Perth on 43 and take 511 right to the track
Actually I get together once in a while with some buddies on the ClubRSX and RSXWorld boards - no fromal club or anything like that - just occasional meets organized on the fly. The weather was shitty on Saturday so only 4 of us made the trip.
I'm originally from Ottawa, so I've made the trip between Hamilton and Ottawa a few hundred times myself :) Fun drive...NOT! It's getting harder and harder to avoid rush hour traffic on both the east and west sides of Toronto.
I agree with you that taking 15 would be a much more direct route. I used to take 37 up through Tweed to Hwy 7 a lot back in the good old days (there's a great little restaurant just outside of Tweed I'd stop at for grub), that would in all likelihood be the most direct and probably fastest route to Calabogie since it goes to Perth and the 511.
How far north on 511 do you go to get to the track from Perth? I can definitely make it from Hamilton to Perth in about 3 and a half hours or so, driving at a reasonable clip.
I live about 20 minutes away from Calabogie and the new track, and I can't wait for it to open next year.
But before getting too exited I wait for the outcome of the OMB Hearing, this may take a little while.
It takes me about 4 hours to the Airport in Toronto, and I am usually taking the Hwy 7 and then Hwy 34 to Tweed and go on the 401 in Belleville. This is the most direct route. (3 1/2hrs to Mosport with going a little over the speed limit......).
When there is a lot of 'Cottage traffic' on the way home on Sunday evening, I like to go off 401 at Napane and go up on Hwy 41 through Kaladar and then Renfrew. It is a little detour, but a lot less traffic, AND some extremly fun roads.
The track is about 3 km before Calabogie, or a little more then 1/2 hour from Perth.
BTW, there is lots happening in Calabogie, the newly upgraded Quad Chairlifts and newly opened hills at Calabogie Peaks will give you by far the BEST Skiing in Ontario. In summer the lifts are open for Mountain biking with some excellent Downhill and Cross Country trails
Check it out, this place is growing like Mont Tremblant (same owners)
Klaus
Carguy
10-07-2003, 01:15 AM
Ah, an expatriate... :cool: Yeah, 37 then Hwy 7 works well too. In 3.5 hours, huh? You lead I'll follow... ;) The track is just before the intersection of 511 and 508 near Calabogie lake.
Cheers!
Marsh
10-07-2003, 02:21 AM
Damn it! Why is practically every road course in Ontario on the wrong side of T.O.?
Shaman
10-07-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Carguy
PS: On the drive up there we used the 511 from Perth. This road is well known to bikers for is high-speed twisty bits and leads right to the track. Highly entertaining and recommended!
You think it's fun in a car, you should try it on a bike.
philip_240sx
10-07-2003, 09:26 AM
BTW, there is lots happening in Calabogie, the newly upgraded Quad Chairlifts and newly opened hills at Calabogie Peaks will give you by far the BEST Skiing in Ontario. In summer the lifts are open for Mountain biking with some excellent Downhill and Cross Country trails
Check it out, this place is growing like Mont Tremblant (same owners)
Klaus [/B]
Tremblant, Blackcomb/Whistler, Blue Mountain, etc is owned by Intrawest Resorts
Not sure about Calabogie... it doesn't appear on Intrawest's website. No matter... it's nice to see a new road course being built in Ontario. :)
I still figure it's a good 4 hour drive from T.O. It's doable for a weekend trip. :)
ScotcH
10-07-2003, 11:05 AM
Guys, quit your bitching about the distance! Jeff and I (and other Ottawa people) came to all the TO centric tracks ... even Cayuga, which is like 6hrs drive for us!
Just be glad for the new track (when it read, of course!) :D
FYI, the President of the MCO was at the CASC-OR Presidents Meeting recently that I attended and he stated that the Calabogie track is not owned by Intrawest (he's apparently met with the owners). He said ownership does have very deep pockets though, so no worries about them running out of cash before the facility is completed. So hopefully the only potential bump in the road is the 'concerned citizens of calabogie' petition.
Logan
10-07-2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Marsh
Damn it! Why is practically every road course in Ontario on the wrong side of T.O.?
You mean the right side of T.O.??
;)
philip_240sx
10-07-2003, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Dave
FYI, the President of the MCO was at the CASC-OR Presidents Meeting recently that I attended and he stated that the Calabogie track is not owned by Intrawest (he's apparently met with the owners).
I should have clarified... I was referring to the Calabogie Peaks ski resort. AFAIK the resort is not owned by Intrawest.
Anyway back to the topic. :)
Is SOLO 1 considering running events at Calabogie if and when it becomes available?
Carguy
10-07-2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Shaman
You think it's fun in a car, you should try it on a bike.
There is no doubt in my mind that it would be fun on a bike, but those things just scare me. :eek: I once tried a friend's bike a long time ago and I ended up wiping out in a long sweeper (on some loose sand). I never tried it again...
What's funny about this is that the pics I posted of the new track were taken by a track biker. He's right into it and has several pics in full lean with his knee almost scraping the track at SMP, Mont Tremblant, Mosport, etc... We're trying to convince him to come out to a lapping day with his RSX - but - he isn't biting because he doesn't trust the road holding ability of his car compared to his track bike!
Go figure :confused:
Philip, I don't see any reason why Solo 1 wouldn't be at least considering running an event at Calabogie, though obviously whether or not that's even a possibility in 2004 depends on how track construction moves along. Since we book our 2004 events in the next few months, I think it's unlikely we'll hold an official event at Calabogie in 2004, but hopefully in 2005 it'll be a good possibility. All this depends, of course, on the Solo 1 Director (which I'm not!) :)
Cliffy
10-08-2003, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by rmicroys
Quit your whining! You've got more tracks closer to Toronto than Ottawa has close to it. Just be glad that we're going to have another excellent racing facility in Ontario. I hope that by 2005 we even race regional road races at the facility. I know all the Toronto folks are likely not to come, but hey... that's not my problem.
Hopefully by late summer we'll be able to try it out... :D
Things could be a lot worse. You could be in BC where every piece of land is either slated for condos, or prohibtively expensive. If you manage to get land, you face annoying tree-huggers protesting your project. I gotta drive 16 hours from Vancouver to get to truly challenging tracks like Sears Point or Laguna Seca.
-c.
CCCargirl
10-09-2003, 06:26 PM
Thanks for the link, Carguy.
How cool is that - a corner named after me already! That's GOT to be worth the drive. ;)
Carguy
10-10-2003, 01:52 PM
Glad to be of service. I'm guessing one of the C's in your online moniker stands for Candy... :cool:
CCCargirl
10-10-2003, 02:10 PM
Good guess!
I am looking forward to trying out the track. I assume, given the locale, that there are elevation changes. That would make it VERY interesting. :eek:
Carguy
10-10-2003, 02:59 PM
Yes the track features some very challenging bits including elevation changes complete with the requisite blind corners. Although the diagram does not show it very well the Quarry turn is actually a long "tripple apex"; if such a term exists. According to the owner, this is Alan Wilson's favorite part of the track. The reason: in wheel-to-wheel racing the quick left-hander after the sweeping right-hander (and just ahead of the Quarry turn) will require a cool head and lots of skill to fend off challenges before heading into the Quarry turn. Wilson anticipates there will be lots of passing opportunities in that part of the track...
Cheers!
chromehorse
10-21-2003, 03:50 PM
Where abouts in Calabogie is the track? I am contemplating on going up on Sunday. And i will bring the dig cam for update pics.
Carguy
10-21-2003, 11:01 PM
Hey chromehorse,
It's right off County Road 511 (and just before County Road 508). Heading NW on 511 you will see a dirt road on your right just before 511 ends at Calabogie. It's called Farmer's Way (or some such name with Farmer in it) . Just follow that road and it will take you right to the track. Good luck.
Carguy
10-25-2003, 04:19 PM
OK I promised a pic update - so here it is!
Link (http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=566210)
the official website is open as of today
www.calabogiemotorsports.com
There is an Open House there tomorrow for the Public.
Worth the drive to see how far they are already (if you are from the Ottawa area).
They also have a Public meeting afterwards in the local Community Hall, where everybody can voice their pro - or contra on this issue.
Motorsports Enthusiasts, come on out and show support!!!
Klaus
So if I just go there can I cruise along the site of the track and check it out? I will be going to Montreal in a few days and could concievably stop by on the way back.
Anyone want to give me directions?
- J
Carguy
10-26-2003, 07:27 AM
The open house takes place on Sunday Oct 26 starting at noon 'til 3PM - Link (http://www.mco.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2205)
chromehorse
10-27-2003, 09:00 AM
I went to the open house yesterday. I am very impressed with the site. The owners and developers seem like great guys. They had bus tours around the track explaining everything and then they allowed us to drive the track on our own. I am soooo looking forward to thrashing the car around it (if i ever get it finished!) I don't understand the locals problem with the track, the owners seem to have all their bases covered and then some. They handed out some nice brochures of the track with very detailed descriptions of each corner, it makes for some mouth watering reading.
Carguy
10-27-2003, 12:13 PM
Good stuff chromehorse! I wish I could have gone out myself but I only heard about the event on Saturday... :( I'd been anticipating it but ccording to the MCO site the event was called off and no notice of it being on again...??? The weather was horrible yesterday though - how many people showed up? Does the brochure contain more information that what's on the web site? Is the work still on schedule for a late July early August 2004 opening?
chromehorse
10-27-2003, 01:14 PM
i didn't realize they were having an open house myself, i travelled up just hoping to take a quick peek. Yeah the rain kinda dampened things, but my Ford Escape didn't mind making a trip around the track in the mud!!:p Marc Steenbakkers was saying that they are hoping on laying the asphalt in May, but there can't be any driving on it for two months after that. Word has it that some series and club presidents were in attendance on Saturday and were equally impressed and anxious to sign up, as well as a driving school, although the track won't take any commitments as of yet! I guess they are waiting til this citizens action blows over.
TYSON
10-28-2003, 12:07 PM
Check out the last question on the FAQ page!:p
Calabogie FAQ (http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/faq/faq.htm)
TYSON
06-18-2004, 09:09 PM
Has any progress been made on this track?
superdave
06-19-2004, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by TYSON
Has any progress been made on this track?
Please tell me the rezoning took place and the track is going to be open!?!
There is still no final decission yet. On June 26 is one more Council meeting where a GO or NO GO will be decided (for this year anyways).
This particular meeting has been postponed now for three times and it could happen again.
The track has not been paved yet, but a huge stack of Guardrails is on site now.
So if next Saturday's meeting takes place and the decission is in favour of the track, they will start paving imediately and expect to be open in mid August.
This will make for a VERY busy schedule for the rest of the season.
Klaus
Marsh
06-19-2004, 11:26 AM
Best of luck. The Grand Bend track near London is in a similar state. They are doing a "sound study" for the township. Everything else is go. With the fall out from TMP and Calabogie they aren't even breaking ground until everything is in writing.
wpfri
06-20-2004, 11:12 PM
You know this Track situation just steams me BIG TIME.I am old enough to remember the good old days.Yes I mean that.I drove a 454 LS6 4 gear to school when I was 18.Insurance was cheap 300/year and I dragged the car every weekend.Saturday night at the 27 Drive Inn and Midnight runs on HWY 50.People are so uptight today.What the hell happened.The people complaining are the guys who drove these Muscle cars.I really feel for the young guys today,They don't stand a chance.Cars,Girls,DriveInns and Saturday Night Cruising.The Boomers who roamed the streets in the highest hp iron EVER are the same guys who run the Insurance,mann the police stations and tore down the Drive Inns.What the hell happened to these people.I for one consider myself lucky to catch the tail end of the freedom days of the high hp iron days.
Any time I talk to a boomer they tell me about a Mustang or the GTO they owned.If you guys know any of these guys in power of making changes ask them what kind of car they had.The answer will be some kind of muscle,let them go on about the car then ask them what the hell happend.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW!
William
TYSON
06-20-2004, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by wpfri
You know this Track situation just steams me BIG TIME.I am old enough to remember the good old days.Yes I mean that.I drove a 454 LS6 4 gear to school when I was 18.Insurance was cheap 300/year and I dragged the car every weekend.Saturday night at the 27 Drive Inn and Midnight runs on HWY 50.People are so uptight today.What the hell happened.The people complaining are the guys who drove these Muscle cars.I really feel for the young guys today,They don't stand a chance.Cars,Girls,DriveInns and Saturday Night Cruising.The Boomers who roamed the streets in the highest hp iron EVER are the same guys who run the Insurance,mann the police stations and tore down the Drive Inns.What the hell happened to these people.I for one consider myself lucky to catch the tail end of the freedom days of the high hp iron days.
Any time I talk to a boomer they tell me about a Mustang or the GTO they owned.If you guys know any of these guys in power of making changes ask them what kind of car they had.The answer will be some kind of muscle,let them go on about the car then ask them what the hell happend.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW!
William
The kids you teased in high school now run for office! Way to go William...... LOL :p :D
Marsh
06-20-2004, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by wpfri
...What the hell happened to these people.I for one consider myself lucky to catch the tail end of the freedom days of the high hp iron days.
They got sued.
The modern attitude is that "nothing is your fault". Slip and fall, sue the property owner! Get fired for incompetence, sue your boss! Screw up and off ramp and back your car into a wall, sue the municipality that owns the offramp, the company that made the car and hey, what the hell, sue the surgeon that saved your life while your at it! It's the modern American dream and Canada is getting more and more like it every day.
The solution is pile up all the lawyers and burn them for heating fuel.
John Powell
06-21-2004, 11:03 PM
The solution is pile up all the lawyers and burn them for heating fuel. They should burn really well - most of 'em are oily enough.;)
Rob McAuley
06-22-2004, 12:45 PM
Grand Bend would be great.
I was looking at the proposed track layout last year, and it would be a decent small track - just over 2kms. Nice corners, fun layout.
The big bonus would be the area. Lake Huron is right there, lots of vacation spots - and the McAuley family cottage is 20 mins away! Free camping!
"Mom! Dad! I'm bringing 65 of my closest friends over for the weekend. It's okay - we'll all be leaving at 7am. Where can we have a really big fire?"
philip_240sx
06-22-2004, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Rob McAuley
"Mom! Dad! I'm bringing 65 of my closest friends over for the weekend. It's okay - we'll all be leaving at 7am. Where can we have a really big fire?"
Really Big????
TMP last weekend prolly wasn't a record, but it was decent:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/pagnoletto/misc/897_9769.jpg
BTW, be sure place anything you value (car, tent, etc upwind) ;)
malcolm
06-29-2004, 06:43 PM
has anyone heard anything about regional races there, and when the first one might be??
ScotcH
07-09-2004, 10:51 AM
4-0 vote in favour of the track!!!! Woo Hoo! It looks like it's a go, and maybe we'll even get on the track this year. Check here for more details: http://www.mco.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2900
praise the great racing gods in the sky! Can I get a woot woot!!! :)
Carguy
07-09-2004, 12:38 PM
I guess my rant payed off!? Note to self: rant more it works. :p This is great for Eastern Ontario track enthousiasts. For anyone coming in from out of town do check out the Calabogie Peaks Resort (http://www.calabogie.com/content/home.asp) (Dickson Manor) which is about 5-10 minutes away from the track. If the wife or g/f is giving you the gears about spending time at the track just show her the way to the spa. Let's get a Solo 1 event or two scheduled there next season!
Woot! Woot! Woot! Woot! :cool:
superdave
07-12-2004, 03:46 AM
I just noticed my cottage is about an hour away from Calabogie... not to shabby. :D
fastnx
09-05-2004, 10:58 AM
Any news here?
malcolm
09-05-2004, 11:33 PM
The rumblings I've heard through the paddock is that they will pave in the spring of 2005, and be ready for late summer/fall. Apparently things with the OMB hearings, etc, must be going reasonably well, but I don't know that for sure.
Crusher45
09-07-2004, 01:18 PM
Hi David – it looks like we’ll be paving in May, and open for July 2005. The municipal red tape we’ve been dealing with has delayed our opening.
We’ve got an updated website that will be ready in September, and will have more details on our progress.
Hope this helps
John
malcolm
09-08-2004, 12:36 PM
nice, sounds awesome! I can't wait to run there... :D
Carguy
10-14-2004, 12:15 PM
Wooo Hooo!!! Update link thanks to Coryk at MCO! :D
Calabogie update (http://www.mco.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3351)
superdave
10-16-2004, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Carguy
Wooo Hooo!!! Update link thanks to Coryk at MCO! :D
Calabogie update (http://www.mco.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3351)
:eek: Thanks looks awesome. I can't wait to run there!!!
rubber2ice
10-18-2004, 05:02 PM
In some if the photos, the tires, which I presume to be for the tire walls appear to be brand new. What's up wid dat?
TD
rmicroys
10-18-2004, 05:49 PM
Ya... it's the same at Mt. Tremblant when they redid the track there I seem to remember the new tire walls were all spanky new tires. They had surplus Firestone SUV tires I think ;)
Rob McAuley
10-18-2004, 10:06 PM
Yep. The tire walls at Tremblant were spanking new Firestone tires of the size commonly found on the Ford Explorer.
The track looks awesome. Compare the aerial photos of the turns to the ground level shots. What looks like a tight turn from the air turns out to be a huge sweeping corner.
Can't wait until we do our Solo Demo event there next year!
Carguy
10-19-2004, 11:44 AM
How will marshalling be handled for the Demo event Rob?
Rob McAuley
10-19-2004, 12:33 PM
I would expect it to work very much like our Mosport School/Demo event this year.
Hopefully the track will set up a similar arrangement with MMS.
We'll see what they've got in place once we get our dates and contracts in place.
Carguy
10-19-2004, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Rob McAuley
I would expect it to work very much like our Mosport School/Demo event this year.
Hopefully the track will set up a similar arrangement with MMS.
We'll see what they've got in place once we get our dates and contracts in place.
So does Solo 1 have a commitment from them to host a demo event? And what remains is all the hard work for hammering out contractual terms and conditions including marshalls and safety vehicle/personnel?
ScotcH
10-19-2004, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Carguy
So does Solo 1 have a commitment from them to host a demo event? And what remains is all the hard work for hammering out contractual terms and conditions including marshalls and safety vehicle/personnel?
This will discussed at the MCO executive meeting tonight ... you're more than welcome to attend :)
Carguy
10-20-2004, 08:48 AM
Too bad I had other commitments... What was the outcome of discussions?
Carguy
11-02-2004, 09:53 AM
More pics of the track including many awesome aerial photos.
Link (http://s90249711.onlinehome.us/Coppermine/)
Enjoy!
Rob McAuley
11-02-2004, 12:40 PM
OMG! That is one spectacular track.
It's still tough to get an idea of the elevation changes, but you can see that they are there.
Given the size of those big, sweeping corners, it'll be a power track.
It also looks like they're doing everything right wrt berms for noise, and run-off areas.
It must be handy having that quarry just off-track.
Who flew the plane and took the photos?
Carguy
11-02-2004, 02:40 PM
Rob,
Cory K. from Ottawa who posts on the MCO forum took the pics. I posted a "who flew" q to the MCO forum for ya here (http://www.mco.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3351).
Dave Barker
11-02-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Rob McAuley
OMG! That is one spectacular track.
Given the size of those big, sweeping corners, it'll be a power track.
Rob, I do think this will be very pretty and interesting but not a power track such as Mosport or TMP. Check out http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/designer/designer.htm and note that the longest straight is only about 600 Meters long. OTOH some of those corners are going to carry some serious speed. Try corner 14 !! Look out for tire wear.
Dr. Dave, I think that 600m figure it quite deceiving. I've been to the track and the front "straight", for example, is much longer than 600m since I believe it'll be flat out from the second last corner all the way down to turn 2. Same goes for the section between turns 2 and 4, between 5 and 7 and again between 8 and 10 or 11. All very fast sections that will unquestionably favour higher horsepower cars IMO.
CobraStang
11-03-2004, 08:08 AM
The acceleration zone exiting Turn 2 is 125 meters long and will result in an entry speed to Turn 3 that will make this left handed 30º, 32m radius kink challenging to high horsepower cars.The designer seems to think going flat out through three will not be as easy as some people believe.
Carguy
11-03-2004, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Dave
Dr. Dave, I think that 600m figure it quite deceiving. I've been to the track and the front "straight", for example, is much longer than 600m since I believe it'll be flat out from the second last corner all the way down to turn 2. Same goes for the section between turns 2 and 4, between 5 and 7 and again between 8 and 10 or 11. All very fast sections that will unquestionably favour higher horsepower cars IMO.
Don't forget the effect elevation changes. There is a considerably lengthy climb starting approximately at turn 2 that steepens at turn 3 until the steep drop at the small kink before turn 4. According to the designer in turn 3 will be challenging for high horsepower cars. IMHO the amount of speed that can be carried out of the 1-2-3 complex can significantly impact overall lap time because of the relatively steep uphill climb between 3 and 4. Despite turn 3 issues for high hp cars their power can more easily overcome this long climb vs low hp cars who will not have enough power to overcome small mistakes in this part of the track. Getting the complex right in a high hp car will be faster than getting it right in a low hp car.
Turns 8 through 12 start with a steep downhill, then uphill, downhill and finally uphill again. I'd think it may be more challenging for low hp cars in this section of the track where small mistakes will be amplified. Again, high hp cars will have the power to overcome small mistakes. Finally, there is also a steep climb after turn 13 into the 229 meter straight that rises to a little more than half way before the turn 14 sweeper. Overall I think there is a bias toward high hp cars since the track has more flowing sections and only 2 heavy braking zones before turns 4 and 15. This is in addition to the power adavantage during elevation changes. But personally I don't care. That track just looks like pure fun and thrills. :)
excellent point, Pierre. Elevation changes will play a big part in what kind of cars are fastest around this track, as they do to some extent at Mosport (where climbing up the back straight favors high horsepower cars enormously).
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