Rules and Tech Inspection

[angus macsac]

There have been several threads with questions regarding when the 2010 race rules and regulations for car prep will be issued and what changes have been made to the 2009 regs/rules.

The 2009 icerace rules book is still on-line at ...
http://www.casc.on.ca/uploadedFiles/09icerace_rules.pdf

and can be followed as there are very few changes in the 2010 version.

There is also a 2009 tech inspection form which will probably change very little for 2010 ...
http://www.casc.on.ca/uploadedFiles/09icerace_techsheet.pdf

At least until the new rules/regs for 2010 are posted online.
Most of the changes were for the Metal To Ice class (Stud cars) anyways.

[Gary]

My understanding of the rule changes related to stud (not street stud) cars is:
1. a roll cage is now required where formerly a roll bar was required;
2. an amber flashing beacon mounted on the roof or trunklid is also now required, and;
3. there are no other changes.

Can those of you with either better memories or actual knowledge confirm or correct?

[Crusher45]

My understanding of the rule changes related to stud (not street stud) cars is:
1. a roll cage is now required where formerly a roll bar was required;
2. an amber flashing beacon mounted on the roof or trunklid is also now required, and;
3. there are no other changes.

Can those of you with either better memories or actual knowledge confirm or correct?

Don't forget the strobe light.

[angus macsac]

I wasn't going to friggin type the changes !!! I use only 2 fingers ya know. Would take me longer than I wanted to spend when they weren't really that big except in the stud class where we need to run a strobe light, full cages required, older ones will be grandfathered.
The other important change was that all classes need to have a forward facing number sign no more than 6" high attached to the roof number board.

Again ....
Go to the fall driver's meeting and get your own copy "hot off the press" !

[Bill Lobban]

Please let's move into the 20th century and get the 2010 rule book on the Website.:o

[FASTEN]

dont think there is a grandfather rule for existing cars with roll bars, in regards to new roll cage rules. I will not be back if no grandfather rule. As I read the rule book (which I have a printed copy and didnt go to meeting) all stud cars are required to have roll cages!

[98RACE]

Can anyone scan it in and e-mail it?

Someone must have a PDF copy if it was already prinited.

[Do It Sidewayz]

IMHO....good that full cages are being mandated in studs.

however...i hope that tech is able to step it up, and fully check these things out. If the enphasis on safety in stud cars is really going to be stepped up...the 20 or so cars should really be teched on their own, and get a much more through inspection.

It is pretty easy to fudge a rollbar, there are less joints, you can steal one from another car and make it fit, and usually get away with less than satisfactory fit.

It's alot harder to fudge a full cage, and you have more problems with welding all the way around the tubes....



When/if the 2010 rules are uploaded, please ensure that CASC also uploads "appendix O" as it is now a mandatory ice race regulation, and place it in the ice race section as well.

[herbie]

I use only 2 fingers ya know.

For typing right?

[AW11_4AGZE]

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/file/dn51yxo5dyn/Icerace2010.pdf)

For all you non-meeting attending mafks. (except for you North Bay guys.... thats too damn far, non-mafk).

Just be warned it's on one of those free host sites... lots of ad crap.

[Do It Sidewayz]

Thank you for posting the regs.

I must appauld everyone involved.

The Roll cage rules for studs are very clear and to the point, and the correct appendix is finally included in the ice race book! :eek: Grandfathering CAGES and not BARS is the right way.

A big step up for safety! i have to assume some entries will be lost, but in the long run, the way to go.

i also appauld rule # 7.0.5....it deals with the issue which caused so much controversy and conversation last year.

Bravo!

[Lee519]

stud class where we need to run a strobe light, full cages required!

How's the amber strobe light shopping going?

[MAXFLOW2]

How's the amber strobe light shopping going?

Probably as well as the "green light" was a couple of years back.

IMHO.... If certain lights are specified then a post should be made for competitors as to where they can find this stuff.

[iceracer 101]

How's the amber strobe light shopping going?


I got mine at princess auto a month ago for 29.99 0n sale, reg 69.99

[FatAndy181]

Ditto on the Princess Auto special.

[FatAndy181]

Now for tech inspection weekend, I know most safety problems can be easily solved within a week, but I was wondering if it would be possible to arrange for a cage to be checked before tech weekend?

Just from my SAE Baja experience, I know that an entire team of people can read over safety specs for a cage, and still have a tech inspector come up with a different interpretation. I've witnessed teams cutting out entire sections of their car and rewelding them the day before competition because organizers didn't like their bracing. I'm confident in the safety and craftsmanship of my cage (even added a couple of bars on top of the standard CSC kit), but I would like the piece of mind to know that on tech weekend, I don't have to worry about my cage.

Is this possible?

[angus macsac]

How's the amber strobe light shopping going?

you ppl know that with a strobe light that flashes in all directions at once - and in the conditions we experience - snow dust/fog - without being able to see the actual car, just the strobe light, no one will be able to tell which heading the car is on ... ie. am i coming up on the back, front, or side of that flashing strobe light that I see in the distance. Therefore should I brake, swerve to avoid or attempt a pass??? What if i guessed wrong????

If all we can see is the strobe light, and with no other reference points, there is no ability to tell how close or how far away the light is..... ooops ....

And another thing ... the rules state that ... "All Stud Class cars shall have a mandatory 55 watt, amber STROBE light securely mounted on or above the roofline (ie. on a post) as to be visible from all directions and angles"

Hmmm, "viewable from all directions and angles".... I wonder about the required roof mounted number board? Aint that gonna git in the way o seein' the strobe lessun I mount that sucka way up high on a "post" ?!

Hmmm, can't seem to find a wattage rating on any strobe light I've looked up therefore how is the ruling (as it is worded now) going to be enforcable???

[Gary]

Thought about your point for a moment, and concluded that a rortating beacon will produce the same effect as one that flashes on all sides, since it will look the same regardless of whether you're looking at it from the front, side, or rear. I think reality is that the beacon will tell you a car is there, and you'll have to deduce where the car is and what it's doing by following the movement of the beacon in relation to the movement of your car. If the beacon is stationary, it still might be too late by the time you see it.:eek:

[angus macsac]

.... you'll have to deduce where the car is and what it's doing by following the movement of the beacon in relation to the movement of your car. ....

Deduce? ... not much time to deduce .... how about a radar with audible pinging sounds like in submarines ....

[Crusher45]

Deduce? ... not much time to deduce .... how about a radar with audible pinging sounds like in submarines ....

Scotty, that's sonar and no the amber light is not a strobe unless it flashes in all directions at once and is not radial. You need a smaller number sign.

[Gary]

Hmmm, can't seem to find a wattage rating on any strobe light I've looked up therefore how is the ruling (as it is worded now) going to be enforcable???

Goes into garage where Andrew is painting white Celica black (he always paints when it's below freezing for some strange reason:D) looks at strobe light box. Hmmm... Princess Auto Special: LED Warning lamp. 5" X 5". 120 diodes, quad flash. No wattage rating. Removes from box. Connects to battery. Whoa! :eek: May not be a wattage rating, but it's sure bright! Half blinded, disconnects from battery. Probably bright enough, but not clear if it complies with the rules. Going to use it anyway.

So, Scotty: you going to mount your strobe on the roof, or on a post? Don't like the idea of a post very much. Been thinking of the roof, at the rear edge, just before the back hatch opening.

[Gary]

Nevermind. I now see the install thread.:o

[S.S.NITEMARE]

For those of you who were not at the fall meeting...the words "55 watt" were removed from that rule. We understand that there is no "wattage" rating on a strobe...that was my fault....I misunderstood at the spring meeting and thought it was supposed to be 55 watts like the running lights. Sorry for any confusion.

And this light MUST BE A STROBE....no rotating lights allowed.

And it was also suggested at both meetings that in order for it to be visible from all angles you could run a piece of angle iron up the front or back of your number board and mount it to the top of the angle iron.

[max attack]

I suggest caution with bracing the # board to mount the light on,when Ron rolled the civic a couple years ago with a fairly rigid # board it was the cause of the roof buckling badely and nearly trapping them.
Food for thought.

[angus macsac]

I suggest caution with bracing the # board to mount the light on,when Ron rolled the civic a couple years ago with a fairly rigid # board it was the cause of the roof buckling badely and nearly trapping them.
Food for thought.

My thoughts precisely ... in the event of a rollover who wants something like a piece of angle iron/post coming through your roof !!!:eek:

Might mount it on the wing ....

[Champ98]

For those of you who were not at the fall meeting...the words "55 watt" were removed from that rule. We understand that there is no "wattage" rating on a strobe...that was my fault....I misunderstood at the spring meeting and thought it was supposed to be 55 watts like the running lights. Sorry for any confusion.

And this light MUST BE A STROBE....no rotating lights allowed.

And it was also suggested at both meetings that in order for it to be visible from all angles you could run a piece of angle iron up the front or back of your number board and mount it to the top of the angle iron.

The angle iron thing just simply is not feasible, I mounted mine at the back on the roof, (magna mount), and it is visible at every angle in snow except about 3 degrees left or right from dead center from head on, because of the forward facing number board ...

personally I think the strobe thing with 20 or so cars in the race is going to be nothing more than a distraction to following drivers, guess we'll have to get to the front real quick!!!

[Gary]

The angle iron thing just simply is not feasible, I mounted mine at the back on the roof, (magna mount), and it is visible at every angle in snow except about 3 degrees left or right from dead center from head on, because of the forward facing number board ...


Exactly what I was thinking, only we were also talking about moving the forward facing number board upward one the main number board by about 5 inches so as to remove the obstruction when viewed on center from the front. That way the strobe should be visible for 360 degrees.

[Chevettes4ever]

I Think the rear facing fog should be used, and a strobe mounted at the front of the roof.. with a deflector so that it cannot be viewed from behind... You only really need the strobe for when someone is spun out... if everyone is moving together, why do you need to be blinded?