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Logan
10-10-2003, 10:04 AM
The SCCA rules place this car in DStock for 2003.
Changes for 2004 include an increase in rated power and the addition of a limited slip.
I'm wondering if the car will be moved from DStock for 2004?
Thoughts?
roooo
10-10-2003, 11:40 AM
It will probably stay in D-Stock unless it suddenly walks all over the other cars in that class.
Logan
10-10-2003, 11:48 AM
hmm
compare to Mazdaspeed in same class
SRT4 has 70plus horsepower and comparable suspension...
Maybe it should stay in DS but not be allowed 2 prep's?
roooo
10-10-2003, 12:27 PM
Well there are no points in SCCA but this would be a good thing to take up with the Solo committee in Ontario :)
Maybe the Mazda should also loose its 2 preppoints as it weighs a few hundred pounds less and can have its alignment set to 1.85 degrees of camber stock?
Logan
10-10-2003, 12:59 PM
Mazda brochure says 2843lbs, Dodge says 2970.
So 127 pounds.
And a bit of extra negative camber.
vs 60hp and 90lb-ft of torque...
I guess we will see how things sort out if any SRT-4 owners come out and play.
I don't expect any SRT's to show up. They seem to be more of the 1/4 mile crowd. I was going to buy an SRT, had already placed an order but recent occurences this year have forced me to cancel those plans :(
Cliffy
10-10-2003, 05:42 PM
http://www.vcmc.ca/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000040
Has a report (at the end of the thread) about SRT-4 at a SCCA event.
-c.
miataboi
10-10-2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Logan
hmm
compare to Mazdaspeed in same class
SRT4 has 70plus horsepower and comparable suspension...
HUH??????????????
0 camber all around!
Not a finely-tuned racing-beat suspension!!!!
Are you kidding???
You know that this is not a power-game.... your car will WALK all over ANY dodge / chrysler in our events.
Chris P
10-10-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by miataboi
HUH??????????????
0 camber all around!
Not a finely-tuned racing-beat suspension!!!!
Are you kidding???
You know that this is not a power-game.... your car will WALK all over ANY dodge / chrysler in our events.
Any dodge? Brent's neon is pretty damn quick. I drove it last year and in my first run set FTD or was very very close. You know what the worst part was? I liked driving it. Oh the thought of a domestic..... :eek:
We'll see what happens with the SRT4, i think its gonna be pretty compeditive with the BMW 330's, ITR. Its really a shame that cars like the WRX, SpecVR, MazdaSpeed, Prelude get stuck in this class as they would all be good cars. Mayby someday they will consider dividing the class.
But if not DS, where do you put this car? CS, BS? not likely...It may work in FS....modern domestic vs. old domestic....... :confused:
You know there is this syndrome that has been going around for about 20 years. I like to call it the Tony McGrath syndrome. You see back in the day Tony would get a car and drive it. Now that car was not supposed to be as fast as Tony copuld drive it so the following year the cars classification would change. My point is sometimes its not the car thats making the difference. I read that article from out in Vancouver and no offense to them but maybe it was just not there day. The other possibility is you really do not know what was done to that car. Heck we do not know what is done to alot of cars right here in Ontario. I had been away from solo for about 10 years. I was so shocked to find out there was no scrutineering anymore. Like damn if you wanted to cheat who was going to stop you? We used to have 3 different guys scruteneering now we have no one? Well getting back on topic I guess we need to have 1 or 2 drivers run times in each type of car in its stock form and classify them. Like that going to happen. :(
P.S. I am talking about solo II. I have not been to any solo I events recently so have no idea how they scruteneer.
MiG-29 Foxbat
10-10-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by J.C.
You know there is this syndrome that has been going around for about 20 years. I like to call it the Tony McGrath syndrome. You see back in the day Tony would get a car and drive it. Now that car was not supposed to be as fast as Tony copuld drive it so the following year the cars classification would change
Yeah I've heard stories about this. Nowadays I think it's called the Steve Tong syndrome.;)
Chris P
10-10-2003, 07:54 PM
i think a certin mini may be forsale..... :p
ice/solo racer
10-10-2003, 09:30 PM
Tony smony,I built an old corolla and did well with it and now a drifting movement has started-coincedence?maybe maybe not!:D
Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Tony smony,I built an old corolla and did well with it and now a drifting movement has started-coincedence?maybe maybe not!:D
lol :D
ice/solo racer
10-11-2003, 12:10 AM
Just thinking out loud Doug,seems the srt-4 would have about the same amount of extra hp and yq as you do over me!:rolleyes:
Don't worry about the horsepower game with others in whatever class you end up in(its hard I know-trust me I know)besides if you do lose to one than you can use the power advantage as reason/excuse;)
One thing I noticed this summer was that our courses don't really need power to do well in general,courses that had me concerned during the walkthru about the higher powered cars in class proved to not be an issue,in fact on the courses that seemed to be the most open and should favour the more powerfull cars I had some of the biggest gaps to second place.
The tightest course of the year seemed to be mosport and that was my tightest race with Tony.
Nissan Racer
10-11-2003, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by J.C.
I don't expect any SRT's to show up. They seem to be more of the 1/4 mile crowd. I was going to buy an SRT, had already placed an order but recent occurences this year have forced me to cancel those plans :(
I have to agree with this, I have read some of the various forums with posts regarding the SRT-4 and they all want to straightline them, look at the Spec-V for example, I know the Sentras handle well, and the extra HP/tq ought to make the SE-R a great car for Solo I/II but we never see any out at the regional events, I think Perry and I are the only ones that have showed up with Sentras at any SoloI/II regional events on a regular basis. I think the SRT-4 will fall into the same category, the people that buy them can put their foot into it at a drag strip and look good, but won't show up to an autox or Solo I and have to show their lack of driving skills.
Logan
10-11-2003, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Nissan Racer
I think Perry and I are the only ones that have showed up with Sentras... and have to show their lack of driving skills.
Sorry... Had to...
:D
I recall a fellow with a SpecV at the Picton Regional. He was a St. Lac member I believe.
Nissan Racer
10-11-2003, 11:10 AM
Yeah, and there was one or two at the Corvette event but none on a regular basis...as opposed to seeing 2 or 3 (up to I think 5) Mazdaspeeds, a couple of MP3 and P5/sedans at most events this year.
soloZ
10-11-2003, 11:13 AM
I have been considering that as one of my next cars but it will have to wait about a year before I can
Nissan Racer
10-11-2003, 11:16 AM
Actually after checking the scores for the season, the one at St Lac did not run for score, and only one competed at the Corvette event.
Nissan Racer
10-11-2003, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Logan
The SCCA rules!
Changes for 2004 include an increase in limited
Thoughts?
Two can play at that game!
miataboi
10-14-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by J.C.
You know there is this syndrome that has been going around for about 20 years. I like to call it the Tony McGrath syndrome. You see back in the day Tony would get a car and drive it. Now that car was not supposed to be as fast as Tony copuld drive it so the following year the cars classification would change. My point is sometimes its not the car thats making the difference. I read that article from out in Vancouver and no offense to them but maybe it was just not there day.
Originally posted by MiG-29 Foxbat
Yeah I've heard stories about this. Nowadays I think it's called the Steve Tong syndrome.;)
Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Tony smony,I built an old corolla and did well with it and now a drifting movement has started-coincedence?maybe maybe not!:D
Tony WAS good ;) ... Steve had his day ;) ... Tom is like SOOOO last-year... I think 2004 will be the year of the youngsta!
LOTS of young-blood gettin into the sport and becoming competitive! Let's hope the old-timers are still able to compete with the new young-guns! (and let's hope that their wives, gf's and families will let them!)
In this sport... you're only as good as your last Solo... and their is a lot of drive in the new-guys!
MUST DE-THRONE THE OLD GUYS!
Tony, Steve and Tom are weak.... as in LAST WEEK!
:D
Originally posted by miataboi
Tony WAS good ;) ... Steve had his day ;) ... Tom is like SOOOO last-year... I think 2004 will be the year of the youngsta!
LOTS of young-blood gettin into the sport and becoming competitive! Let's hope the old-timers are still able to compete with the new young-guns! (and let's hope that their wives, gf's and families will let them!)
In this sport... you're only as good as your last Solo... and their is a lot of drive in the new-guys!
MUST DE-THRONE THE OLD GUYS!
Tony, Steve and Tom are weak.... as in LAST WEEK!
:D
I hope you not out of your teens or some may consider you old ;)
Peter Lejbjuk
10-14-2003, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by J.C.
I don't expect any SRT's to show up. They seem to be more of the 1/4 mile crowd. I was going to buy an SRT, had already placed an order but recent occurences this year have forced me to cancel those plans
Rumour has it that there will be an SRT-4 showing up to race at the WOSCA event on the 19th. I know my brother is lined up to take it for a run, and he's pretty quick in his Neon, so we might get a good idea of how quick it can be.
I'll will post to confirm if the car is coming (belongs to the boyfriend of naughty neon!) as soon as I know.
-Pete
tony mcgrath
10-14-2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by miataboi
Tony WAS good ;) ... Steve had his day ;) ... Tom is like SOOOO last-year... I think 2004 will be the year of the youngsta!
LOTS of young-blood gettin into the sport and becoming competitive! Let's hope the old-timers are still able to compete with the new young-guns! (and let's hope that their wives, gf's and families will let them!)
In this sport... you're only as good as your last Solo... and their is a lot of drive in the new-guys!
:D
"When you can take the valve cap from my hand Grasshopper- Then it will be time for you to win Overall!!" ;)
Tony
miataboi
10-14-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by tony mcgrath
Originally posted by miataboi
:D
"When you can take the valve cap from my hand Grasshopper- Then it will be time for you to win Overall!!" ;)
Tony
WOO-HOO!!! Looks like my time has come!!!
I did it! I got McGrath's valve cap!!!
http://www.racehome.com/images/guz/guzskull850.jpg
And I put it on my ride!!!
Now... his pathetic naked valves look like this!!!
http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/fcar/ti3.jpg
It seems that his reaction times are slowing with old age!!!
:D
It's OK Tony... It's natural.
;)
tony mcgrath
10-14-2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by miataboi
WOO-HOO!!! Looks like my time has come!!!
I did it! I got McGrath's valve cap!!!
http://www.racehome.com/images/guz/guzskull850.jpg
And I put it on my ride!!!
Now... his pathetic naked valves look like this!!!
http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/fcar/ti3.jpg
It seems that his reaction times are slowing with old age!!!
:D
It's OK Tony... It's natural.
;)
No, No , No, Jeffy- you're supposed to try to take the valve cap from my HAND- not from the INTERNET. :p
And if you think you have fast reaction times then try this out :
http://www.spikything.plus.com/games/reaction/
My average is .166 - first attempt . Whatcha got-Miata boi??
:D
Tony
Chris P
10-15-2003, 01:39 AM
cough ----i want a SRT4-----cough
248HP
278 LB-Ft of Torque
AT DA WHEELS!
http://www.apexmodified.ca/pics/srt4.jpg
psst, thats bone stock
tony mcgrath
10-15-2003, 05:52 AM
The SR4-T is definitely going to be the Goliath of D/S but it does have a few weak spots.
The 0 degree non adjustable front camber will limit its cornering, and cause it to shred front tires. The 105" wheelbase will hurt it on a tight course, especially pin turns. 2900 lbs curb weight is getting up there... and the torque steer will take some getting used to.
Having said all that the new one comes with a limited slip, and last years model already did a 14.2 @99 mph on street tires!
My 97 Camaro SS ran the same mph on street tires, so this will be one awesome car at a Solo 1.
As for Solo 2 probably like riding a bull. If you can hang on to it for the whole run it will be fast- but it will try to pitch you off whenever it can! ;)
So to the rest of us Davids out there. Run fast, and practice with your slingshots. :)
Tony
So to the rest of us Davids out there. Run fast, and practice with your slingshots.
Hey, I'm a David! And I saw two SRT-4's at the local Dodge dealership sitting on their lot. They look quite aggressive and for the performance seem to be one hell of a good value. It's just the Dodge quality thing I'd be worried about. I owned a first gen Neon and it was not what I'd call reliable :)
Brent
11-15-2003, 10:13 PM
I don't think the SRT will be that good for solo 2 in stock form. In a super stock class where you can do the suspension it should do OK, though.
Also, the front camber is adjustable if you use crash bolts through the steering knuckles or by slotting the strut mounting holes.
tony mcgrath
11-16-2003, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Dave
Hey, I'm a David! And I saw two SRT-4's at the local Dodge dealership sitting on their lot. They look quite aggressive and for the performance seem to be one hell of a good value. It's just the Dodge quality thing I'd be worried about. I owned a first gen Neon and it was not what I'd call reliable :)
I hear you with the Dodge quality thing- I switched from an 84 VW GTI to an 86 Omni GLH in mid season back in 1987 to run the U.S Pro Solo series. I had been doing well in the GTI and figured, on paper,the GLH should be even faster. Well it was faster when it would run, but it shorted out 3 alternators and a battery and never made it to any Pro Solo events that year! :(
The cars and warranties are better now so who knows.
I recently had a chance to drive an SRT-4 at Cayuga along with an Acura RSX-S and a tuner version of a Cooper S Mini.
The SRT-4 was the fastest down the main straight at 162 kmh- the other 2 only managed 152 kmh. They were all on street tires so they were equally handicapped through the last corner coming onto the straight. The SRT really pulls and it's lsd works well . The Acura was the most fun to drive with its high revving engine and great road feel. The Mini was really handicapped without an LSD. In stock form the SRT-4 was the faster car around the track of the 3. "R" compound tires , and an LSD for the Mini would change things considerably.
The SRT-4 defintely delivers the most performance per dollar in stock form.
In Solo 2 the SRT's weight and tendency towards understeer will slow it down, but once it gets "breathed on" in SS and SP it will be a contender. :)
Tony
Chris P
11-16-2003, 03:06 PM
pretty sure dodge put a Quaife LSD in......atleast they got one thing right.
2 other problems with the car are a high COG and a rim size in stock. Springs will solve COG and rim size doesn't really matter here in the great white north.
I keep reading that the Canadian version of the SRt-4 has more power than the American version, if this is true should we be using SCCA classing on this car?
Logan
11-17-2003, 10:00 AM
I think you are talking about published numbers.
The 2003 was underrated on paper, owners are dynoing those cars VERY close to the rated output.
I think for 2004 and up here they gave it a more realistic rating on paper.
Also, and I'm not sure about this, but I understand that the computer in the car changes the amount of boost depending on air density(altitude) and temperature, to make the car feel the same no matter where you drive it. If the computer is "correcting" for changes in environmental variations, and the dyno is also "correcting" for other things, wouldn't that make the numbers seem higher than they really are?
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