2010 Autoslalom Rule Book

[AndrewR]

Is Here!!

2010 Autoslalom Rulebook (http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1266414075&post_id=40033)

[Ajax5678]

3.4 Helmets
Helmets must be worn in all autoslalom events except slow speed school driving exercises.
Canadian Automobile Sport Clubs – Ontario Region Autoslalom Rulebook
Effective April 1, 2010 - 9 -
Helmets may be either open faced or closed face. They must be in good condition both inside and
outside and never subjected to a crash or other severe impact.

It would be nice to think that it is illegal to crash during an event. But being one whom loves things to make sense. :)

I believe it should be "Never have been subjected to either, a crash or severe impact"

[Director]

Thank God I haven't printed it yet.

We can still fix it.

[Tashko]

It would be nice to think that it is illegal to crash during an event. But being one whom loves things to make sense. :)

I believe it should be "Never have been subjected to either, a crash or severe impact"

I believe it should be:
"Helmets may be open-face or closed-face. They must be in good condition, inside and outside, and never been subjected to a crash, or other severe impact."
:D

edit: does this count as bench-racing?

[AndrewR]

Small edits made and re-submitted

[finboy]

Is Here!!

2010 Autoslalom Rulebook (http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1266353927&post_id=40033)

when i click your link.... i get

"File not exist!"

[AndrewR]

when i click your link.... i get

"File not exist!"

I edited the file, you probably need to refresh your browser.

[finboy]

didn't work on my end.. but i logged onto spda and it worked this time

gracias

[stealthie1]

Can someone please explain to me why all neons (132hp-150hp) are in G-stock while every other 4 cyl. NA chrysler product is classed as H-stock?????

This makes absolutely no sense to me!

[sjd]

Can someone please explain to me why all neons (132hp-150hp) are in G-stock while every other 4 cyl. NA chrysler product is classed as H-stock?????

This makes absolutely no sense to me!

Because the Neon, especially in R/T or ACR trim can be a very potent Solo2 car.

[stealthie1]

I will grant you a first gen R/T of ACR could be potent... but a base model, or second gen R/T no better than most of the cars in H-stock.

If you are going to go by the upper models then maybe we should move all civics to G-stock because the SIR can be very potent as well

just my thoughts

[sjd]

I will grant you a first gen R/T of ACR could be potent... but a base model, or second gen R/T no better than most of the cars in H-stock.

If you are going to go by the upper models then maybe we should move all civics to G-stock because the SIR can be very potent as well

just my thoughts

I'm going by where the SCCA decided to classify the car. :)

There isn't that much difference between a base car (2-door) and ACR other than dampers, sway bars and faster steering rack, etc.

[thekid]

I'm going by where the SCCA decided to classify the car. :)

There isn't that much difference between a base car (2-door) and ACR other than dampers, sway bars and faster steering rack, etc.

Kind of like the Protege vs. MP3, MP3 made it to G-Stock, all other N/A Protege's are in H-Stock... I can see the point of the OP for asking this question... but like you pointed out, base classifications come from the SCCA.

[mikewolf]

Speaking of SCCA base classes. They just did a big shuffle with their base classes, but ours don't seem to have followed. Is this intentional? Do we just follow SCCA classes at one point in time, but don't update it when they do? Also, a few newer cars weren't listed in ours (hyundai genesis).

[AndrewR]

Speaking of SCCA base classes. They just did a big shuffle with their base classes, but ours don't seem to have followed. Is this intentional? Do we just follow SCCA classes at one point in time, but don't update it when they do? Also, a few newer cars weren't listed in ours (hyundai genesis).

It was intentional. The consensus of the car classification committee was to monitor SCCA's changes for this year, and possibly implement the same for next year. We do have a slightly different car mix here, and we get cars that they do not.

New cars can be submitted for classing, and will be classed based on SCCA classing.

[mikewolf]

Thanks,
It doesn't really concern me either way, I was just curious what the process was.

[sjd]

Email sent about some cars that appear to be missing.

[Travis]

I'm really interested to see how the ST classes will work out this year. I haven't finished reading everything, I have some questions about the ST classes:

-I don't see PAX numbers for ST1 and ST2. Will these classes be able to compete for the overall championship?

-I'm surprised at how many cars don't qualify for any ST class. Is there a reason there's no ST3 class for such cars? I'm hoping this doesn't open a can of worms I don't know about - sorry if it does!

[Tashko]

-I don't see PAX numbers for ST1 and ST2. Will these classes be able to compete for the overall championship?



The answer to that is no. Not for the first year. Pax will probably be done for next year after there is some data to base it on.

[sjd]

I'm surprised at how many cars don't qualify for any ST class. Is there a reason there's no ST3 class for such cars? I'm hoping this doesn't open a can of worms I don't know about - sorry if it does!

Our ST classes are based off the SCCA's ST classes (of which there are quite a few) and some of the ST2 cars (MX-5, S2000, MR-2) just got their own class (STR) this year.

[StewPiddass]

I'm surprised at how many cars don't qualify for any ST class. Is there a reason there's no ST3 class for such cars? I'm hoping this doesn't open a can of worms I don't know about - sorry if it does!

Yeah, I was excited to hear about these new ST classes until I saw that my new car (same as yours) was excluded... :( boo!

[sjd]

Yeah, I was excited to hear about these new ST classes until I saw that my new car (same as yours) was excluded... :( boo!

Tod, you of all people should know that the STI isn't allowed in ST class since we've been running it for the last two years at TLMC. :p

These classes take from the SCCA's ST, STS and STX classes.

The cars excluded (including the STI) originated in the SCCA's STU class or (as mentioned above) the new STR class.

That's not to say these classes couldn't be added but that one is up to the Solo2 committee.

[AndrewR]

I am very excited to see all the enthusiasm in the new street tire classes. We are going to try them out for 2010, and based on interest, we could expand and pax them for 2011.

So, If you want more street tire classes, show your interest this year!

Besides.... how many sets of street tires would an STi need in autocross? :cool:

[StewPiddass]

Besides.... how many sets of street tires would an STi need in autocross? :cool:

We're gonna find out this year...

[Doug P]

Friend is asking where the 2008 Audi RS4 has moved to. It was in the book last year.

[AndrewR]

Friend is asking where the 2008 Audi RS4 has moved to. It was in the book last year.


It is the same as last year, A class.

Some cars were misplaced, and a bulletin will be released.

[Doug P]

It is the same as last year, A class.

Some cars were misplaced, and a bulletin will be released.

Thanks.

[AndrewR]

Bulletins added to the website at:

http://www.casc.on.ca/solo2.php

Some neat things in there.

10-AS-01 is the Car Classification list, updated with the missing cars
10-AS-02 Corrects a wrong reference
10-AS-03 STU Street tire class.

So - STi's and Evo's buy your tires now.

[condor888000]

Just a point, don't see the Hyundai Genesis anywhere in 10-AS-01.

[JoeT]

Woohoooo now I can get streets for my leggy.. muahahahah.

STU Class as the "catch all" for all other production cars that can't go into ST1 and ST2.. woohooo!!!

[AndrewR]

Just a point, don't see the Hyundai Genesis anywhere in 10-AS-01.

Not in the classifications, If you have one, I propose

The 2010 Hyundai Genesis V6 Coupe - FStock
4Cyl Turbo Coupe - GStock

Hope this helps

[.Mad Hatter.]

I think I asked this last year but it was for a different class; on a stock class car I can remove the cat, but can I change the diameter of the exhaust assuming the manifold and/or headers are not modified at all? Also, Can I remove and/or modify the muffler/resonator(s)?

[AndrewR]

I think I asked this last year but it was for a different class; on a stock class car I can remove the cat, but can I change the diameter of the exhaust assuming the manifold and/or headers are not modified at all? Also, Can I remove and/or modify the muffler/resonator(s)?

9.10.4 Any alternate exhaust system, with the exception of the exhaust manifold and emission control components, is permitted. Muffler systems are authorized, except that they must terminate behind the driver. Exhaust heat shields may not be removed. Exhaust systems must comply with CASC-OR noise limits.

So - no cat removal, cat back can be changed.

[Snizzoop]

9.10.4 Any alternate exhaust system, with the exception of the exhaust manifold and emission control
components, is permitted. Muffler systems are authorized, except that they must terminate behind
the driver. Exhaust heat shields may not be removed. Exhaust systems must comply with CASCOR
noise limits.

Not sure if the cat counts as an emission control item or not, but:

14.5.vii - Removal of any emission control equipment (stock category
only). 1 Point

[condor888000]

Not in the classifications, If you have one, I propose

The 2010 Hyundai Genesis V6 Coupe - FStock
4Cyl Turbo Coupe - GStock

Hope this helps

I don't, I was just curious where it would fit. Thanks for the info.

[.Mad Hatter.]

thanks guys, not sure how i missed that...im ok with the prep point for no cat.

[AndrewR]

thanks guys, not sure how i missed that...im ok with the prep point for no cat.

I am sorry, but no cat removal in stock. If your cat is removed, you need to move classes.

The one point is for other emissions equipment.

[.Mad Hatter.]

damn, ok at least i know. thanks Andrew

[NewfoundlandDud]

I've got a question about the ST classes that you guys are trying this year.
Are you guys just allowing the classes to run, and not assigning any pax to the classes for this year?

Can a club internally assign these classes and pax factors based on the SCCA rules, or is it a regional thing? Just trying to get a handle on some of the new classing.

Thanks.

[AndrewR]

I've got a question about the ST classes that you guys are trying this year.
Are you guys just allowing the classes to run, and not assigning any pax to the classes for this year?

Can a club internally assign these classes and pax factors based on the SCCA rules, or is it a regional thing? Just trying to get a handle on some of the new classing.

Thanks.

Welcome.

Street tire classes are new for us this year, so they are being run separate from the Provincial championship. Once enough interest has been expressed, we will likely combine the street tire classes into the full championship, and pax them based on this year's results.

Clubs in Ontario are free to class and pax however they wish.

We may be extrapolating SCCA's pax to allow Street tire competitors to compete in our Toyo giveaways this year too.
Hope this helps.

[NewfoundlandDud]

Thanks for the clarification.
A member of our club "Vinland Motorsports" was digging around on the ARMS board about this I think, and came back saying that the classes wouldn't be available. Good to know that we can go ahead and use them at our discretion if there is enough interest.

Edit:
Although you guys would be in a different region than us, so maybe the rules are a little different.
I'll have to check it out again on the ARMS boards I guess.

[finboy]

Is Here!!

2010 Autoslalom Rulebook (http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/dl_attachment.php?attachid=1266414075&post_id=40033)

and so is all the other good stuff!!
http://www.casc.on.ca/solo2.php

but this isn't working pho me :confused:
http://solo2.casc.on.ca/info/rules.php

not sure if it helps.. or confuses a few

[Cliff96]

but this isn't working pho me :confused:
http://solo2.casc.on.ca/info/rules.php

Try hitting refresh on your browser, the dates for all the documents should show 2010.

It's working on both my pc's here.

[finboy]

beats me..

[Cliff96]

beats me..

Looks like I missed a space in some of the comment code, firefox ignored the error, IE and safari puked on the code. Thanks for bringing it up.

It should be fixed now.

[finboy]

tks cliff

whatever you did is gud2go

[AndrewR]

Looks like I missed a space in some of the comment code, firefox ignored the error, IE and safari puked on the code. Thanks for bringing it up.

It should be fixed now.

That makes sense, as I tested it on 5 different computers and it all worked well.

People still use Internet Explorer?:confused: