brake pad choice..

[thgear]

This is in reference to the tire poll

I want to know how many people will plan to use high-performance street brake pads, and how many people are planning on using race-only (or similar) pads

the underlying question is, are you going to bother replacing your pads on race day?


also if your car is trailed in, please ignore the post

and if you vote "other", please explain yourself

[Cap'n Pete]

IF I were to show up with my street-tire clad car (not trailered in), I would still opt to run race-oriented pads. Perhaps less aggressive than I would run with something as sticky as Hoosiers, but I wouldn't just show up on "street tires" in "street trim". Been there, done that, cooked the brakes.

Track pads/rotors FTW :cool:.

But I'm not likely to be out much anyway, if at all, so my opinion may be irrelevant ;).

[racecartech]

This is highly dependant on the car. Doesn't matter to me what the tires I run I only brake in 5 at MIR

[SmokeScreen]

I ran most of last season on the pads that came with the car when I bought it except for one hiddious set of so called "ultamite pads" I tried at a lapping session in June. Never had any problem stopping or slowing the car down any other time, no cooked or cracked rotors, no fade or pulsations. Those pads are now gone, put on another set of OE pads, new rotors and will try them. What I need to go faster is to stay off the brakes more, I slow down for the corners way to damn much as it is. If I track the Astra I have no choice it seems but to stick with street pads, no race ones available (stop laughing:mad:):D

[Cap'n Pete]

^ ^ That's funny, Pat, I was on the brakes a lot more than I wanted to be too! :D (better pads would cut down on the required braking time by a lot! ;) ... allowing you to go much deeper into the braking zone ... carrying more speed ... shaving precious seconds off your lap times ;)).

[sti_schumacher]

hawk dtc 70/60 front/rear for the subaru. only had the chance to try them at a track day in november, but boy was there a difference.... braking zone = faceplant into steering wheel. its even worse for the passenger ...

[racecartech]

for guys and gals switching to street tires, becareful of an aggressive pad. the same pads that have the braking HP to put you at the max of your belts on r-comps will flat spot your streets.

you will wnat to look at aggresive street pads with a high temp compound. especially for the non-MIR tracks

[SmokeScreen]

Pete, I believe what you are saying, it's just so hard for me to fight the instinct to jump on the binders early and hard :eek:, I might try some track pads, or at least find something more suited. Also if I can master heel toe braking which has been a huge challenge for me I am bound to shave some more time as well. Looking forward to this season, and the nice weather we have been getting has got me aching to get out on the track.

[Cap'n Pete]

I'm sure that heal-toe helps for those who can do it, but it's not necessary to go "fast". I can't do it properly (I've tried, but I have clumsy feet ... they're good for mashing pedals, but nothing "fancy" ;)). You just need to have the confidence to go deeper into the corner ... sorry ... "braking zone" (being politically correct).

[nrg3k_civic]

DTC 60's in my Civic. I ran Hawk Blue last year, but now they are old tech. I've also got a faster car this year and bigger brakes, so i'm excited to see how the DTC60s work. So far they feel better and easier to modulate. Good thing since i figured out how to trail brake during last season - Thanks Miles/RRRex :D

DJM:>

[Dave]

I voted 'other' because I'll either trailer my Civic w/ race pads but won't be changing pads at the track or I'll bring my street car (or my dad's street car) and run it on a track pad (my dad swaps Hawk HT10's onto his Vette) or a street/track pad (was running Mintex Xtreme pads on my G35 which is a streetable but very track-worthy pad).

[thgear]

remember the point of this poll/post is to determine a correlation (if any) between a persons tire strategy and level of preperation.

i'm trying to form a conclusion as to whether people are choosing street tires solely as a tuning strategy, or because it simply makes participation in the sport easier.

I personaly do not plan to run a race-only pad, and will settle for street tires and highperformance street pads

drive to the track, and drive back.. i'm tired of changing tires in the mud :/

[Salmaan]

My goal is to keep my car as streetable as possible while remaining competitive...

Also makes for great marketing to get others into Solo (trying to convince 2 co-workers as we speak).

"Really, you can bring your street car, mine is outside with winters on it right now..."

[bsclywilly]

remember the point of this poll/post is to determine a correlation (if any) between a persons tire strategy and level of preperation.
i'm trying to form a conclusion as to whether people are choosing street tires solely as a tuning strategy, or because it simply makes participation in the sport easier.
I personaly do not plan to run a race-only pad, and will settle for street tires and highperformance street pads
drive to the track, and drive back.. i'm tired of changing tires in the mud :/

I predict you will not draw any meaningful conclusions!:p muahaha.

I'm an 'other' as well. I drive my car on the street with race pads, DTC-60s. Makes for a good leg work out when stopping cold.

[thgear]

I predict you will not draw any meaningful conclusions!:p muahaha.

I'm an 'other' as well. I drive my car on the street with race pads, DTC-60s. Makes for a good leg work out when stopping cold.

but the point is that you are not going to bother changing pads/rotors when you get the track, right?

[jonweir]

I predict you will not draw any meaningful conclusions!:p muahaha.

I'm an 'other' as well. I drive my car on the street with race pads, DTC-60s. Makes for a good leg work out when stopping cold.

LOL, we're ass-backwards...

[nrg3k_civic]

since the poll is if you race pads or not, i don't think it matters if they are on a trailered car or if you are insane like will (using race pads on the street)... or is the poll about sanity?

DJM:>

[Cap'n Pete]

I've driven around on the street with both HT14's and DTC70's ;). I've never had full confidence in my sanity though :p.

I will say that the HT14's performed better on the street than the DTC70's did :).

[nissannx]

Carbotech xp10 front - xp8 rear.
Even though I now flat tow the car to the track, daily fair-weather driver.

[sti_schumacher]

driven dtc-70s on the street - destroyed the pads (they wore out on the bottom, but not the top) and the rotors (no more slots...). good times :)

[Carguy]

Race pads swapped at the trac - always have, always will. Hawk blues have been great in the past, tried the Satisfied GS3/2's and they were decent but not as good as the Blues. Also tried Ferodo race pads on the STI but the initial bite sucked.

[SmokeScreen]

Anyone try the Hawk HP plus brake pads? They are supposed to offer great cold bite plus race style fade resistance and stopping power and can be street driven. Who in this area sells Hawk Pads? I know state side where to find them, just wondering if any local suppliers have them that don't charge the seemingly usual US price plus 60%.

[ShaneG]

I love the HP+ for Autoslalom. I did my first lapping day on them, and they held up quite well.... for a "street" pad, but they would start to fade after a few laps - keep in mind as a noob, my speeds were slower but I was probably using the brakes more than an experienced driver.

They in no way compare to the Hawk Blues (my only other point of reference).

....that was on a near stock Integra GSR - 26-2700lbs - 170ish crank HP... so not the most direct comparison to the Vette:D YMMV

[IWannaGoFast]

I have the HP plus on my car right now and what a difference to the OEs! I’ve done a couple of lapping days at MIR on them and I didn’t notice much fade.

They do squeal a lot under normal driving conditions though.

[Todd #65]

Anyone try the Hawk HP plus brake pads? They are supposed to offer great cold bite plus race style fade resistance and stopping power and can be street driven. Who in this area sells Hawk Pads? I know state side where to find them, just wondering if any local suppliers have them that don't charge the seemingly usual US price plus 60%.

I ran race pads on the front and HP+ on the rear last year. I tried leaving the HP+ pads on the back after an event one time and quickly learned how embarassing it is to have squeeky brakes on the street. I took them off the next chance I had.

As far as performance goes - I'm running high performance street rubber so the HP+ pads have been more than enough braking power and I did not experience any fade/issues.

[SmokeScreen]

Thanks guys, just the kind of input I was hoping for.

[Salmaan]

I ran HP+ all of last year w/ streets. Great pad, but crazy levels of dust and squeal. Window down driving actually became a chore!

[Cap'n Pete]

^ ^ that's why I refuse to run anything "track" oriented on the street anymore ... WAY too hard to keep clean, and WAY too noisy (squealing) ... very annoying, and draws too much attention for the wrong reasons :rolleyes:.

I've been running ceramic pads for a long time, since they create the least amount of dust, but still have good braking power when needed. Heck, I've even used my STREET ceramic pads on the track before, without too much trouble! (just not as much grip as track pads, obviously).

If you're getting into switching pads anyway, then I wouldn't "upgrade" to HP+ ... might as well go a level further (ie: Blues / HT10's / DTC60/70's).

[Slowpoke]

Also tried Ferodo race pads on the STI but the initial bite sucked.

The DS1.11 compound fixes that. Bites like a HP+ and has phenomenal torque.

[oldguy]

Barattero (builders of RS&SP racing suspensions) is now offering
their own street, track and racing pads for popular applications.

Contact IVANO for information !!! :eek: :p :p :p

[brokenparts]

hi there is a dtc-60 more aggressive than a HT10 or blue? I tried a HT10 but they don't seem to be as aggressive as a hawk blue.....the blues seemed more torquey than HT10. Or maybe I couldn't get heat into the HT-10's I'm not sure.:o:)

[Dave Barker]

hi there is a dtc-60 more aggressive than a HT10 or blue? I tried a HT10 but they don't seem to be as aggressive as a hawk blue.....the blues seemed more torquey than HT10. Or maybe I couldn't get heat into the HT-10's I'm not sure.:o:)

Blues have that wonderful initial bite and always produce a firm pedal. Unfortunately they do this by not releasing well. Come in after a hot session, jack up a front wheel and try spinning it. There will be very sig resistant due to pad drag and poor release.

HT-10s are sig better for this and are less prone to fade. They are also not as hard on the rotors. Some folks just refer to Blues as mini rotor lathes.

I have no experience with dtc 60 or 70s but from what I hear, they wear faster.

[Doug P]

Anyone try the Hawk HP plus brake pads? They are supposed to offer great cold bite plus race style fade resistance and stopping power and can be street driven. Who in this area sells Hawk Pads? I know state side where to find them, just wondering if any local suppliers have them that don't charge the seemingly usual US price plus 60%.

JRP sells Hawk. They also have a SPDA discount.

[Donkehote]

Im running factory ceramic pads. never had any fade on lapping/driving schools, so im sticking to them. for now anyway, :)