where can i get a welded roll cage?

[andrew1984]

where can i get a welded roll cage with competitive pricing?

[tanney]

CSC Racing in Newmarket.

There are even a CASC-OR corporate sponsor.......

[andrew1984]

ronnie's number doesnt seem to be working. can someone help me out?

[motore]

Find anything out with Ronnie

[JoeT]

I'll keep my mouth shut about CSC Racing.

You can get FIA spec roll cage at fourstar motorsports, they are owned by the Sprongle Brothers.

Also, Andrew at Voytechcho will custom fab an FIA spec roll cage for you too.

[J.C.]

Isn't it CSC Racing that feels that Solo II has very little to offer them in the way of business and that's why they don't want any of their sponsorship moneys coming to Solo II ? Or was it some other company that decided that?

[Chris P]

Originally posted by JoeT

Also, Andrew at Voytechcho will custom fab an FIA spec roll cage for you too.

Hey Joe, Andrew isn't doing cages for customers. maybe one day when the porsche is done they'll consider it :p

[roooo]

Fourstar's probably done cages for golfs before also... give them a call.

[Director]

Originally posted by J.C.
Isn't it CSC Racing that feels that Solo II has very little to offer them in the way of business and that's why they don't want any of their sponsorship moneys coming to Solo II ? Or was it some other company that decided that?

I don't know where it came from that CSC Racing Products doesn't support Solo II. It's amazing how rumours spread mistruths and misunderstandings. In fact anyone who went to the Solo Open House & the Solo Banquet benefitted directly from CSC Racing Products in more ways than one. But since some people who received the 15% tax free day at the Open House & dinner & door prizes at the banquet don't feel CSC Racing hasn't supported them, they should wise-up.
The picture is a little bigger than CSC Racing Products actually paying to put a decal on Solo IIist cars.

I had my Honda cage done by Ralph & Jennifer and have bought most if not all of my motorsports saftey equipment from them. Great people to deal with especially since they're CASC-OR motorsports suppliers.

It's a free world out there, so buy from whom you like, just remember where the support for all your motorsport activities comes from.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Director
I don't know where it came from that CSC Racing Products doesn't support Solo II. It's amazing how rumours spread mistruths and misunderstandings. In fact anyone who went to the Solo Open House & the Solo Banquet benefitted directly from CSC Racing Products in more ways than one. But since some people who received the 15% tax free day at the Open House & dinner & door prizes at the banquet don't feel CSC Racing hasn't supported them, they should wise-up.
The picture is a little bigger than CSC Racing Products actually paying to put a decal on Solo IIist cars.

I had my Honda cage done by Ralph & Jennifer and have bought most if not all of my motorsports saftey equipment from them. Great people to deal with especially since they're CASC-OR motorsports suppliers.

It's a free world out there, so buy from whom you like, just remember where the support for all your motorsport activities comes from.

Perry I understand how my comment could annoy you (heck it annoys me). However I am just repeating what I heard at the Solo openhouse. It was stated that CSC (99% sure it was them) that felt okay with sponsoring motosports but did not want to have any of the funds they provided to be going to Solo II as it was not worth it. Now if I am wong I appologize, but this is what was told to me by several people.

P.S. I was stunned when I heard this.

[Gary]

I'm with Perry. Wanted a roll bar put in the ice racer. Phoned, described the car, and asked how much it might cost, ball park. Ralph did some detailed calc's, then told me how much he thought it would cost, telling me labour hours, rate per hour, and materials cost, including the number of feet of tubing he thought might be used. Remember this is all sight unseen, CSC does not know me, and I've never done business with them before. So, made an appointment, delivered the car, drove it inside, talked for five minutes, and left.

Next day:

1. Job finished when promised; car was ready when we got there.
2. Cost was LESS than than the ball park quote, as labour hours were less. Materials were right on. Could've charged me more labour hours, and I'd never have known.
3. Workmanship great in my opinion

So, my experience is good quality work and honest people. What's not to like?

Gary

[J.C.]

I am not questioning there work or service. It is this stance I heard they are taking in regards to Solo II that bothers me.

[Gary]

Well, on that point, I recall that they host the Solo open house. For me, that's more than enough. Remember the business they are in. I've only been there once, but looking around the shop, it's crystal clear to me that they're in the metal fabrication business. Sure they also sell some race parts, and safety gear, but I'm pretty sure that metal fabrication pays the bills at CSC. Next, consider what is required for Solo 2. Roll cage? Roll bar? Purpose built race car? Nope, none of the above. What's needed? A helmet. That's it. So, let's go back to Solo 2. How much business is CSC going to get from Solo 2 participants? Some helmets, sure. But how much profit comes from helmet sales? Probably not much. You can buy a helmet anywhere.

But, building relationships with people who race, well that brings business over time, because people who run Solo 2 are more likely to do other motorsports activities as well. Hence the hosting of the open house. Makes good sense to me. However, when it come to putting sponsor money on the table, and given limited funds, sponsorship has to go to a series that requires their fabricated metal products. They'd be crazy to do anything else.

I guess it's just a question of expectations. I'm totally happy they're in business and give a little back to the community they service. This includes Solo 2. If they focus their marketing dollars less on Solo 2, and more on racers that require their products, well, I understand. And, I guess my respect for them as business people goes up a little bit. It's what I'd do for sure.

Others may disagree.

Gary

[northern911]

What he said.

They make and sell equipment that for the most part is non-essential in Solo II. This is a good thing for Solo II. Keeps costs down.
They've been excellent with their open houses, and the 15% off is great.
If it was my company, I'd feel the same way. Not snubbing my nose at Solo II, just trying to make sure my investment is going towards my target consumer. If guys in II step in to Solo I, then they may very well need CSC products at that point. This is good for CSC. Brings new customers.
It's like GM pushing Corvette sales at an import drag race. Sure, some of them may step up to that car in a few years, but most aren't in the market today.

My two cents.... disagree at will. Poor Will...

[J.C.]

Well this specific thread is regarding a solo II car. I guess alot of soloI guys feel solo II people do not do these types of upgrades and don't deserve the same concern. I think a few people would be surprised at how soloII has grown and how prepped some cars are.

[Director]

I guess some of you get it and some of you don't. For all intensive purposes, any/all of the CASC-OR Corporate Sponsors, CSC Racing products included, provide money, products and or services to the whole CASC-OR commmunity through their Corporate Sponsorship programs. In essence CSC Racing Products does support Solo II directly because the money that they provide to CASC-OR helps fund the series you run in, the rule books that you get for free, and subsidize the banquet ticket you buy for $35, when in fact your ticket costs the two divisions, Solo I & Solo II, $50.

I'm not going to belabour this whole thing, support who you want, but don't start bitching when Rule Books start costing $5, your regional entry fees are $50-60 per event and that your banquet tickets cost $60 and you have to pay for your trophy.

You have no idea know how hard it is to land a sponsor for a series that offers no return of advertising to it's sponsors, but somehow I still manage to land about $5,000 in sponsorship dollars/products/services for the series. In Solo I it's slightly easier because Solo I has an ad campaign that runs in Inside Track (that Solo I pay's for by the way).

You show me an added value to market for any of our mnotorsports divisions and I'll exploit the hell out of it to potential sponsors. Keep up the "lack of gratitude" kind of talk and see what that will bring.
Case in point, Mad Macs Communications + Graphics, my own company sponsors Solo I, Solo II & Race. How do you think I feel when I read in the forums that someone can get magnetic material for their decals & numbers cheaper at Grand & Toy or they know of a guy who can do their graphics out of his basement, etc. This busts my hump because I sell it to the competitors for what I pay for it and I'm in the vinyl graphics business. I support each division with a percentage of support based on the % of support & advertising I receive from that division. And when I sell sponsorships for each series that's what I base it on.

Some sponsors such as ActionFront Data Recovery Labs pay tens of thousands of dollars, and expect very little return, these are our "Friend of Motorsports" sponsors, but even they will not be here forever. Some of our sponsors are small companies and can only afford so much, but expect a large return. It's only good business pure and simple.

It's simple economics, you support your sponsor he continually supports your series. Keep bashing them and they'll take their dollars somewhere else. You decide.

I'm still working my ass off to ensure all of our series stay healthy, so help me make it easier to get more support, not worse. If you think a sponsor is doing a good job and you appreciate their support, tell them. If you would like to see them involved more or less, tell them. Either way tell them you know about them through your series and CASC-OR, then they'll know that their sponsorship is working.

[Doug P]

Originally posted by Director
ICase in point, Mad Macs Communications + Graphics, my own company sponsors Solo I, Solo II & Race. How do you think I feel when I read in the forums that someone can get magnetic material for their decals & numbers cheaper at Grand & Toy or they know of a guy who can do their graphics out of his basement, etc. This busts my hump because I sell it to the competitors for what I pay for it and I'm in the vinyl graphics business. I support each division with a percentage of support based on the % of support & advertising I receive from that division. And when I sell sponsorships for each series that's what I base it on.

I got my Solo II numbers from you in the spring Perry. Great price and great service, while I waited. Thanks I will be back in 2004 for the new class numbers.

I was looking at other sources for numbers in the spring. I saw your company name as a sponsor but did not make the connection to magnetic numbers. I got this finally from a forum response. I suggest something be added like an intro to the sport page to point new commers to your shop.

By the way the Grand and Toy stuff I tried and it was crap.

I bought my harnesses, harness bar and helmet from Ralph at CSC. I don't care if they choose to direct their funds away from Solo II. It is their choice and their services don't particuliarly apply to this market. They provide great service, and they custom fabricated and installed my bar for less than 30% of other options I had. I will be back and definitly recommend anyone to buy at CSC. Tax free in the spring!

[miataboi]

My miata has a CSC roll bar...

GREAT product.
Better than ANY OTHER miata-specific roll bar on the market in terms of strength AND safety.

They made the jig off of Tong's car initially... and I wouldn't hesitate to reccomend them...

YMMV.
No probs on my end.
...and I'm a Shit disturber!

:eek:

[miataboi]

I like Perry.

[JoeT]

Originally posted by miataboi
My miata has a CSC roll bar...

No probs in my end....and I'm a Shit disturber!

:eek:

Enema?

[Greg F]

What's your company's website, Perry? I didn't know you were in the graphics business.

[Director]

Originally posted by Greg F
What's your company's website, Perry? I didn't know you were in the graphics business.

http://www.mmcg.com