View Full Version : Solo 1 and the big track
DECH_92
11-05-2003, 08:43 AM
Now that sounds interesting
Solo1 may have an event at the big track next year
http://www.casc.on.ca/files/CASCInfo2003_6.pdf.
ScotcH
11-05-2003, 11:44 AM
Yes, this was mentioned at the Banquet. It will be an exhibition event, so I'm guessing it will not count in the standings (10 events, 6 toward standings). Sounds like blast!
it should be very fun.....and scary..i definately have butterflys thinking about that track....i think we will all have to tone down our regular driving habits on that track....
AirCooln
11-05-2003, 01:10 PM
...and have lots of willing (and brave!) instructors on hand.
Taylor
11-05-2003, 05:10 PM
Yeah I dunno.. I've been picked as instructor a number of times at Solo over the past couple years but I'm kinda hoping regardless of (relatively minor) experience at Mosport I don't have to ride with newbies going too hot through 1 or breaking in the middle of turn 2. Yikes! :)
Chris P
11-05-2003, 06:05 PM
Come on tay, it will be fun :eek:
Chris91GT
11-06-2003, 10:57 AM
The novice rules will certainly need to be enforced at the big track.
ice/solo racer
11-06-2003, 03:57 PM
I'd like to be a novice for solo1 next year(if only they'd remove the ice race part in the rules that disqualifies me:( )I wouldn't make you ride along with me taylor-only 1 seat and all and I'd hate to scare you with all that speed I carry into the twisties!(joking ya know)
RacerRick
11-07-2003, 10:17 AM
I definately need better brakes for the big track in the mullet. Much better brakes.
Marsh
11-07-2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by ice/solo racer
I'd like to be a novice for solo1 next year(if only they'd remove the ice race part in the rules that disqualifies me:( )I wouldn't make you ride along with me taylor-only 1 seat and all and I'd hate to scare you with all that speed I carry into the twisties!(joking ya know)
Oh bite me! I can't be a novice either now! :mad: And back when I could have afford one or two weekends a year I held off to save my rookie status.
why would anyone with driving experiance even want to try to be a "novice"
is that really fair getting trophies while really having experiance?
ScotcH
11-07-2003, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ADAM
why would anyone with driving experiance even want to try to be a "novice"
is that really fair getting trophies while really having experiance?
No kidding ... advanced driving school owners/instructors should also be excluded from novice status :D
...a scene at the podium
awww thank you very much ..thank you very much(in a elvis voice) its an honor to be the novice winner today...ahhh....having never run a solo 1..my past experiance in formula 1 and WRC..and NASCAR ..has allowed me to trounce these novice street drivers bringing thier street cars to this event....and crush thier hope to win a little trophy to further encourage them to actually get into the sport of solo 1...i can safely say that they will not get such a trophy..and will ever be defeated by my "novice" hands on the wheel...
:)
i know what you are saying......ScotcH...and i 100% agree with you.....
the rules must be defined a little more in detail......on what "novice" is... that still does not undermine the fact that chivalry should play a part in this decision... IMO
ice/solo racer
11-07-2003, 08:56 PM
You see Adam if I was to out pace you with my honda weed wacker powered sgt3 car AND be a novice to boot that would be kinda weasely of me don't you think?:D
Marsh
11-08-2003, 03:43 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with competing as a Solo-1 rookie if you have solo-2 experience. The two skills are very different. I take the view that's it's more foolish to go to the road course with no experience what so ever, rather than develope some basic car control skills in solo-2 first. No if you have race experience, that's different. It is too similar to solo-1.
ice/solo racer
11-08-2003, 03:00 PM
Jason I kinda agree with Marsh in that some basic skills should be learned before taking to the track.I've seen countless people that can't even control a car at solo2 speeds,how do you expect those same people to push themselfs safely at much much higher speeds?.I'm not saying you should limit people with no experience,just that it wouldn't be such a bad idea.
ice/solo racer
11-08-2003, 06:50 PM
Your right Jason,solo2 isn't the only venue to learn decent car control skills-but doing that basic learning at speed on track isn't the ideal place.I think you would agree?.(I'm not trying to be augumentative-if someone wants to wad up their shiny street car who am I to stop 'em,as long as I don't get caught up in it)
Another big part of being a novice is simply not knowing the courses that solo1 regulars have competed on for years in most cases(that will be my biggest hurdle next year I think).
Dave Barker
11-08-2003, 09:07 PM
Guys , don't worry. The plan ( at least as I see it ) is to run a school for all day Saturday and part of Sunday with a lot of lapping followed buy a Solo 1 type event on the Sunday PM.much like the COM guys do. In other words we will not be expecting people to go out with just 3 practice laps in the AM and then compete like a regular event.
As you have mentioned this track needs to be treated with a lot of respect and the last thing we need is some rookie ( or experienced driver for that matter) going out and ruining his car and delaying the event thereby destroying a lot of track time on a very exiting track. Certainly at this stage there is no way that I think this should be a points event.
John P
11-08-2003, 09:42 PM
Whether you are an experienced Solo 2 competitor or have never been in a Solo 2 or Solo 1, a prerequisite for any Solo 1 should be to attend the Solo 1 School. After the school, many of the novices have found it beneficial to lap and obtain additional assistance from the instructors during the season (ask Jason). People that attended the Solo 1 school reached competitive speeds much faster and enjoyed themselves much more than learning on their own. People that just jumped into Solo 1 without the school, were just frustrating themselves, because they wanted to go fast, but didn't have the basic car control skills, or the knowledge on how to apply those skills. The Solo 2 guys have an advantage (basic car control skills), but need to to get acclimatized to the higher speeds, when all they have is walls, curbs and grass (it takes more comitment). Because the speeds are much faster, many experienced Solo 2 drivers are intimidated and won't push their car to the edge, especially when there isn't a nice asphalt run off area (as in Solo 2.) Another reason to take the Solo 1 school is because some of the lines are different in Solo 1 than Solo 2 (many Solo 2 drivers lose seconds of time because they use the wrong lines).
If we have a Solo 1 at Mosport (big track), it should be for experienced Solo 1 drivers, and they should be instructed and signed off by an instructor that has experience on the big track. It is just to easy to demolish your car and hurt yourself (and your instructor).
John
soloZ
11-08-2003, 10:07 PM
How come you only say experienced solo1 competitors? If I have done about 25 lapping days in the last four seasons and I don't know how many solo2's would that include me, oh and I have been on Mosport ask Chris Atkins Mustangs are kinda fun.
Ryan, as far as I know there hasn't been any official criteria set up regarding who is eligible to compete, if we do in fact host a Solo1-style weekend at the big track next year. I don't think we'll be turning away any paying customers (the idea is to get different/new people to try Solo 1, after all!), but we will have to be very thorough on Saturday to make sure any drivers with little to no experience at the big track get some instruction before they participate in the timed runs on Sunday.
I wanted to try SOLO I this past season, but I decided to commit myself to SOLO II instead, to learn my car and driving technics better,...another reason was WILAT (Wife induced limited available time).
Anyways, this year turned out not so bad, I gained a lot of valuable experience, won my class (ASP) and 6th overall and I am the new Roocky Champion (here in Ottawa).
Now since Jeff Graves has been pocking my ribs for some time to try to get me to move up to SOLO I, I guess i will have to adjust my plans for next year and find a good divorce lawyer...
I will definetely take the school before I hit the track competetively, allthough I have been to Shannonville and Mosport on various Lapping days and Driving Schools, it's still a new environment when you have to race there. I am not sure yet how many SOLO I events I will be able to attend, but I would like to at least have a chance to mix in with the Novice championship.
Even Nigel Mansell was a Roocky when joining INDY after winning the F1 Championship. What I am trying to say is that if you have not done this particular type of racing, you are a NOVICE. Experience is good, but it is still new all over again.
See you next year,
Klaus
You can only be a novice once so unless you hold a professional licence somewhere else you should still be a novice in my opinion As for instruction on the big track with just 1 year of solo 1 I could see it would be benefical and John you where a big help to me last year and any help would be welcome
Steve
ice/solo racer
11-09-2003, 03:15 PM
I guess John never paid much attention to me and the corolla on track-pouring rain,no grip and no cones in sight but I pushed very hard right from the first lap-top of 3rd gear drifting and no intimidation in sight!:D
I know I won't be a a novice next year and thats fine,I think you SHOULD hold a mosport solo1 type event with no practice/training day before-that way everyone(except those with lapping experience)will have to teach themselves lines AND compete.Thats what I'll have to do all next season on EVERY track despite not being a rookie.:(
Also with no track experience air pressure settings will take a little more time to get right for my combo/weather conditions,another thing solo1er's with experience have already learned.
OH yeah,I don't really think that there is much difference in lines from solo1 to solo2,things happen at different speeds yes but the the fastest line is still the fastest line.An acceration area after a corner nearly always requires a late apex for exit speeds(at least if you drive underpowered cars it does!;) )I find it easier to find the line on track than on a cone course,damn cones always seem to be in the way!.
ice/solo racer
11-09-2003, 07:54 PM
Thanks Jason but I suck as a passenger(scared s**tless really!,the hardest crash I ever had was as a passenger in my championship winning 4wd ice racer!)besides as a solo2 guy and ice racer I'm accustomed to learning new lines quickly.Besides if I suck I can always use the never been there before excuse;)
The only solo1 I did this wouldn't allow time to ride with someone else anyway,either driving or working-nothing in between.
Chris91GT
11-09-2003, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Dave Barker
Guys , don't worry. The plan ( at least as I see it ) is to run a school for all day Saturday and part of Sunday with a lot of lapping followed buy a Solo 1 type event on the Sunday PM.much like the COM guys do. In other words we will not be expecting people to go out with just 3 practice laps in the AM and then compete like a regular event.
When I started last year I got the green flag with no practice laps! Doh!
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