brakes

[wpfri]

Its been a while,I would like to talk to all the members about sponsorship, I was at the casc drivers meeting and gala last night . As most of you know WILLIAMS PERFORMANCE FRICTION entered the racing season last year offering you a full range of products.We put our product out there in the hands of your own people,Chris Atkins,Rob McCauley,Rob Smith,David Barker,Ian Law and our own car a 2000 corvette C5 driven by Malcolm Strachan who won the 2003 SUPER GT SERIES.We have proven our product works, your own people have reported on this forum
how the product performs against HAWK and PERFORMANCE FRICTION.Chris Atkins did a back to back comparision with our product and Performance Friction at Watkins Glen and he could not wait to put our product back on(WILLIAMS PERFORMANCE FRICTION).Ian Law did a back to back comparision of our product and Hawk blue,this is a direct quote.I would get brake fade in corner 3 with the hawk blues,I put WILLIAMS PERFORMANCE FRICTION BRAKES on, there was no brake fade in corner 3 and i dropped my lap time a full second with WILLIAMS PERFORMANCE FRICTION BRAKES.I am sorry to all in the solo community for missing your gala, but i was in las vegas at sema.That said the sales of our product from the solo community has been poor and i need your help to know why.The SCCA community buys thousands of brakes from us monthly while the solo community buys 20 to 30 sets a month.We have been talking to perry at CASC(YOU ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE PERRY LOOKING AFTER CASC'S FUTURE,HE IS DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB FOR YOU.)about sponsorship for the entire series, approx cash input(NINTY THOUSAND DOLLARS).We are a CANADIAN COMPANY that wants to help out CANADIAN MOTORSPORTS but we need your support in sales to sponsor the series.We have just completed a manufacturing plant in florida bacause of the high volume of sales in the USA for our product.For those of you who don't know about us, we are not a re- distributor, we make the brakes from scratch, WE ARE THE MANUFACTURE AND WE LOVE RACING.I would like you to pass this e-mail on to every one you know in motorsports and spread the word.I need the racing communities
input on this matter.WILLIAMS PERFORMANCE FRICTION (WE RACE WHAT WE MANUFACTURE)My personal e-mail dickson4347@rogers.com

[MastaDeeMon]

do you want company's to support motorsports

Of course, silly question.
are you using hawk

If I do Solo 1 I will.
are you using performance friction

No.
other

Maybe.
do you care if the company is canadian

It would be nice.
do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product

Wouldn't touch a product if it wasn't race proven.
do you think you should support your sponsors

You have to.
what type of car do you race

1987 CRX SI
1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
what is your daily ride

Was an 85 Civic.
how have you heard about us

Pit Chatter(negative)

All I ever heard is people tried to get in touch with you, with little success. This is what I heard in the pits at the 1 Solo weekend I attended. May not be what you want people discussing at Solo events if you are looking at selling a product to them. I don't know if this is true, I'm just telling you what I heard. Solo guys seem to LOVE their Hawks.

D.

[wpfri]

Thank you for the response,this is the input i am looking for
WILLIAM

[DECH_92]

I think you are a gold mind for the Solo community

To have a Company head at our lapping and solo events
is worth a load of technical information to any newcomer,
novices or pro into the sport.
As soon as I use up my supply of pads I will gladly buy your product.

CANADIAN SPONSER WPFRI can’t get any better then that.

:D

[Chris P]

do you want company's to support motorsports

Ofcourse

are you using hawk
No. Metal Mater PBR as of current.

are you using performance friction
I would have loved to run WP pads on the SOLO 1 Chamionship series winning car however after a number of attempts to contact and get product nothing materialize. I was very disappointed to say the least.

do you care if the company is canadian

To some extent yes but its not a make or break critirion

do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product
Absolutly!!!

do you think you should support your sponsors
Yes

what type of car do you race
87 CRX

what is your daily ride
87 CRX summer and 88 Golf winter

how have you heard about us

only on this message board.

[wpfri]

Thank you.I am sorry about the communication.I estimated to sell
10 thousand sets of race pads in ontario per year, that's what we geared for.Some of the american racers did a comparision of hawk and WILLIAMS,after that they sent orders for thousands of brakes per month through group buys.We could not keep up to demand so when you ordered we were out of stock for months.
I am sorry for that,but we put a plant in florida to take care of the US.As Paul Tracy would say,I AM CANADIAN and we are the only racing brake manufacturer in canada.My focus is on canadian motorsport to bring it up to the US level.MOSPORT is the best brake dyno in the world.Racing is the only way to improve the product,period.We have expensive dyno's,useless compaired to a 200 mph race car.I have noticed lot's of views on the polls but few responses,DON'T BE SHY,TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL AND WHANT YOU WANT.You guy's complain companies don't care,don't listen,I am all ear's. WILLIAM

[maxrpm]

I tried buying your product on two ocasions this summer, no one ever got back to me so I ended up ordering 4 sets of hawk. I also ended up telling a few others what happened and they went some another product.

Make your product more accessible and maybe you will sell more.

[ice/solo racer]

I to would prefer to support the sponsers that support our sport as well,I currently use hawk and like them very much for solo2 use.I did hear not so favourable comments about stock issues and one road racer that had an issue with the wrong compound being supplied causing boiled fluid and an entire weekend of brake trouble because of the mistake.
Since I will be quite high in the classing for solo1 next year optimising my braking performance is one key area to focus my attention on.I would happily buy your product(would be better if you supplied as my sponser of course!)if its performance could at least equal the best other brands.
I would like the opportunity for you to convince me that I should be using your product come next spring,would be nice to have a supplier only an hour from me so if I have an issue I can deal with it in person instead of over the phone!.
Race cars-1986 Ae86 corolla gts 2 time regional solo 2 class champ soon to be a supercharged drift weapon,1988 crx si built for regional road race but first hitting the solo1 ranks in SGT3.
I look forward to seeing if all these threads started on this forum are to indeed get the feedback needed to make the racers happy or to make the company accountants happy.

[Martini Focus]

do you want company's to support motorsports: Yes
are you using hawk: Yes Hawk HP+
do you care if the company is canadian: Yes
do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product: Yes
do you think you should support your sponsors: Yes
what type of car do you race: 2000 Focus ZX3
what is your daily ride: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
how have you heard about us: No

[Keith-02Accord]

I also left 3-4 messages for you in the summer this year and nobody returned my calls. I gave up and bought Hawk HP+, which I liked very much.

[Doug P]

Do you want company's to support motorsports?

YES

Are you using hawk?

NO

Are you using performance friction?

YES

Do you care if the company is Canadian?

YES but not mandatory

Do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product?

YES

Do you think you should support your sponsors?

YES

What type of car do you race?

1997 CAMARO Z28

What is your daily ride?

1997 CAMARO Z28
1995 EXPLORER (soon to be 2002)

How have you heard about us?

OMSC.

I decided to try your Solo II product, called the warehouse (in Barrie at the time) confirmed stock and drove to pick up the same day.

I have no complaints with the product but I have not compared with other and I am still learning the car.

I have other brake issues that I hope to resolve in the spring with a brake upgrade. I will need new pad then.

[Rob McAuley]

Do you want company's to support motorsports
Of course!

Are you using hawk?
Have tried Hawk HP+, Blue & HT10

Are you using performance friction?
Have used PF97

Do you care if the company is Canadian?
More concerned about price & performance!

Do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product?
I am only interested in companies that are into racing.

Do you think you should support your sponsors?
Without sponsors, we wouldn't have a series. Sponsors should be able to get a return on the $$ they invest.

What type of car do you race?
BMW E36 328is

What is your daily ride?
BMW, Dodge Minivan

How have you heard about us?
This site, Performance World

Working with the Williams folks was interesting this past year. They were working on different materials, and found that what works on one car doesn't work on another. The material that worked on the Corvette and Chris' Mustang didn't get hot enough in my bimmer.

I appreciated William showing up at the track, sponsoring one of his staff to run at Fabi, running himself at Mosport DDT, and coming to a Mosport BMW school with pads for me to try.

Once they hit the right compound, I didn't want to go to anything else. They were more agressive than the PF97s, didn't chew rotors like the Blues, and lasted far longer than the HP+ or Carbotechs that I'd also tried. They were close in feel to the HT10s, but were being sold at a much cheaper price.

[wpfri]

Thank you guys.I am the owner and i will be spending all summer at solo 1 and solo 2 events to hear your comments about the product.I don't think anyone recieved wrong product, it was one of the trial products that we supplied for product testing to some solo members.I asked rob and chris to try all kinds of product for testing.I wanted to know how our street pads survived on a race track and how our race pads performed on the street dead cold.Testing is the only way to know,that's why we need your input good or bad,so thank you.Just so you know i don't give a crap what my bean counter's say,have you seen our trucks and what bean counter will let you go racing!Let's talk about HAWK ,
S.K WELLMAN(HAWK) was founded in the early 1930's and has been an absolute leader in the industry since then,but you know what happens when you get BIG,1900 hundred employees,450 million in yearly sales and they lost money last year.No WELLMAN in sight,LOTS AND LOTS OF BEAN COUNTERS and no one owns it.It's public.Performance Friction has 400 employees and has such union problems they will be lucky to survive,they turned over their entire production staff in one year, 380 plus employees,now they are involved in a massive law suit.Check it out on the web.I have no intention of being big,I want to make race and high performance brake's only. WILLIAM

[GR8 Ride]

Well Bill, you asked, and you DID SAY not to be shy, so here goes.... I'm sure you can guess where I'm going to go with this :)


Do you want company's to support motorsports
I'd suggest it's pretty hard for a company to produce and market race oriented parts without actually racing themselves.

Are you using hawk?
HT-10, HT-14 (current, and quite satisfactory)

Are you using performance friction?
PF-90, PF-97, PF-01.

Do you care if the company is Canadian?
Nope. I only care if they can deliver on time and with regularity.

Do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product?
Again, I'd suggest that they'd have a tough time improving their product without being involved in racing.

Do you think you should support your sponsors?
Absolutely. Both Series Sponsors and ride Sponsors are the lifeblood of racing.

What type of car do you race?
BMW E36 325is

What is your daily ride?
Ford Mustang, Ford F-250 4x4

How have you heard about us?
This site, Performance World

Now, onto the juicy stuff. You and I have had several conversations about your brake pads; from you phoning me, to discussions at the track etc. Each time I was promised *something* within two or three weeks, and each time I was disappointed. I understand all too well the pressures and demands of modern business, and how large orders can seriously affect product runs.

However, the flipside of this is that a business should be prepared to either deliver on the promises that it makes (particularly those delivered in person, multiple times), or be honest enough to not make those promises to begin with.

I was MORE than prepared to pay for the privilege of running the WPFRI pads on the race car, and for that matter, would have been willing to offer advertising space (hey, that's what us regional racers are all about) in exchange for even a reasonable discount.

However, the concern largely comes down to this. I've started running the Hawk HT-14 pads, and I get all the benefits that I could have possibly expected from them; strong initial bite, long life, good modulation. All of this, at a reasonable price. Best of all, I phone up Raceshopper, and they typically have them IN STOCK, and will ship them the same day. While price is a concern, availability and the willingness of a company to back it's products are my primary concern. Unfortunately, Williams Performance Friction has failed me on both counts; effectively ZERO availability on my pad sizes all year (neither of which is rare), and a serious lack of committment to honour the promises (several) made to me by the company.

Anyhow, I understand you had a successful, trying and extremely busy year, and I can especially understand how difficult this makes it to meet individual demands.

I do honestly hope that you have a successful year in 2004 in meeting demand, developing product, and growing your business. You're going to need all of this going for you to win back some of the hearts and minds of regional racers (and judging by some of the comments in this thread, I'm FAR from being alone in this).

Good luck in 2004 Bill, and as always, you have my number; feel free to call me anytime in case you want to discuss any of this in a non-public forum.



Pat

Ontario Touring GT Championship, Car #295

[wpfri]

PAT,You are 100% CORRECT,by late may or early june we were about 2 months behind and i know i promised you a set(no charge)to comment on but i simply did not have any in stock.I state on this forum you will have a set before spring fling.Thank you for responding pat. WILLIAM

[ADAM]

i asked for a quote on your race pads..never got the quote in the end..so i bought hawke blues...sorry i don't have time to waste chasing down sales people on pads that i have never even tested before....

adam

[RacerRick]

Do you want company's to support motorsports
Definately

Are you using hawk?
Have tried Hawk HP+, and Blue in the past

Are you using performance friction?
No

Do you care if the company is Canadian?
Its always nice, but I would still go for the best product over where its made


Do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product?
A company has to be willing to support a race product on the track for me to be interested really.

Do you think you should support your sponsors?
Yes!

What type of car do you race?
1980 Camaro Z28

What is your daily ride?
Old 4 door

How have you heard about us?
This site, Performance World


I am going to be running a car that is going to be very hard on brakes. Lots of weight, lots of HP, lots of tire, not a lot of brake swept area.

Since I am just building this car now I have no preference for pads yet, but will be testing to get the most from my brakes. The car is being fitted with 3rd Gen Camaro IROC 1LE front brakes and WS6 Trans AM rear disks.

[Chris91GT]

do you want company's to support motorsports

Absolutely!

are you using hawk

Nope

are you using performance friction

I was... PF97s... never again

other

Porterfield... no better than PFs

do you care if the company is canadian

Yes, I would prefer to support local business and benefit from a local relationship

do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product

I don't think a company can do otherwise

do you think you should support your sponsors

Absolutely!

what type of car do you race

91 Mustang GT 5.0

what is your daily ride

2002 GMC Sierra

how have you heard about us

Pre-Performance World 2002


Although I only managed to get one set of pads to test this year I was - an still am - exceptionally impressed. I had a ton of brake problems with various compounds in 2002 and never really knew what to expect when I hit the pedal. With the WPF1.20s I had the rock solid pedal that I needed. They heat up very quickly but never faded on any of the tracks that I ran on in 2003 (including Mosport and Watkins Glen).

It took me some time to properly adjust to the WPF1.20s. They are extremely aggressive in initial bite, are rock hard, and require almost no travel to modulate (minor toe pressure adjustments). I destroyed a set of front rubber the first time out at Mosport because I was used to too much pedal travel. Oops. I learned my lesson quickly and once I adapted to the needs of the pads I had a winning combination.

At Watkins Glen I had the opportunity to test the WPF1.20s back-to-back with the Performance Friction PF97s. I ran the WPF1.20s on day 1 and the PF97s the following day. Day 2 was scary until I backed up my braking zones by 50-100'. My only off-track excursion occured on Day 2 in the first session when I dramatically underestimated the PF97 stopping distance and overshot the exit of turn 1 because I couldn't get the car slowed. The PF97s had a lot of pedal travel, required as much pedal pressure as I could manage, and actually faded after 3-4 very hard laps around the Glen. On Day 1 I could drive the WPF1.20s as hard as I wanted during the 30 minute sessions with never a hint of fade or change in pedal pressure or modulation.

As of the end of 2003 I am still using the same WPF1.20s that I started the season with in May and have yet to wear them to half way... on a 3200lbs Mustang with a brake-crazy nut behind the wheel. That said, I have destroyed a number of rotors (non-WPFRI product). I have not worn or scored them, but cracked them. I was running Coleman pieces that I suspect are not the correct rotors for my application (since I destroyed them in 2 days at Mosport).

For 2004 I am hoping to do further back-back comparison with Hawk and PF01s.

Oh, and hopefully dominate some Solo 1 action that I missed out on this year. :D

[Carguy]

1. do you want company's to support motorsports - yes
2. are you using hawk - not now, but used HP+ in the past
3. are you using performance friction - no
4. other - EBC green (but they didn't live up to their hype)
5. do you care if the company is canadian - depends if product is reasonably priced or not
6. do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product - yes because I am involved in motorsports
7. do you think you should support your sponsors - yes but I beleive that the relationship should go both ways. If competitors buy the company's products, the the company should give back to the competitor(s) through series and/or individual sponsorship
8. what type of car do you race - 2003 RSX
9. what is your daily ride - 2003 RSX
10. how have you heard about us - this forum

I have been to a few lapping sessions in the past and I will attempt Solo 1 next season as a novice competitor. For me entering Solo 1 events will be strictly for fun, how I place is secondary for now. All my expenses are out of pocket, I don't have sponsors and it's likely I will never have any, so my main concern is bang for the buck. If a Canadian company makes a good product for a good price then I'll support them by purchasing the product. However, if I can get race consumables from elsewhere for less then I'm less willing to support.

[Taylor]

I am in the same boat as others here. And even in others that haven't responded here.

I called twice, both times promised a next day reply, and got no-day reply. I was told the same thing happened to a number of others so I gave up.

Sorry but I, along with so many others in Solo do this as a hobby and not a job, do not have the time to chase people down, whether they're Canadian or not. Many do things last minute (based on schedule or whatever) and would rather spend the extra bucks to have an order taken on in-stock product than to chase down a sales person (only you as I understand it).

do you want company's to support motorsports

Of Course.

are you using hawk

No. Hawk does not make a pad for my car.

are you using performance friction

No.

other

Carbotech Panther Plus (Fronts only)

do you care if the company is canadian

Yes and No. Yes if they offer comperable product and services. No, if they don't. I will always give business to a local or Canadian company if they can offer me that, sometimes I don't mind spending a *little* extra either. But sadly, this is RARELY the case.

(I'm reminded how a friend in Halifax can buy winter tires over the internet, from across the country, and have them shipped to his door, cheaper than buying locally.. and all he has to do is use his computer.)

If ordering from Williams (or any other company) was as simple (contact me to discuss solutions, it's what I do for a living) :P then service complaints would be reduced (or perhaps even eliminated).

do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product

Seems like an obvious answer to me.

do you think you should support your sponsors

But of course. Do you sponsor Solo 1? Solo 2?

what type of car do you race

2nd Gen Toyota MR2 Turbo, 5th Gen Civic HB

what is your daily ride

MR2

how have you heard about us

Only this message board. Which leads me to consider why the Solo comittee allows this level of marketing and advertising for free. I can understand it (and support it) with a Sponsor, but that's not the case here. In fact, I could even understand it for someone who's active in the sport. But that isn't really the case here.

As someone who believes in Sponsorship (and has sponsored series and events in each of the last 3 years), this seems vaguely unfair. Mind you it should be the responsibility of the sponsor to get their message out to the community on the forum, so it's my (and others) faults for not doing so. Though I suspect it's never remotely even a selling point or understood as an option to most, and that's something the Solo comittee's should look at.

To conclude, I'd love to try your product, mostly because I can't find a full set of pads other than Carbotechs and without any other pad to compare it to, I don't know whether it's any good or not, so I'll probably try Williams again in early spring, but if it's the same story, I'll go somewhere else... again.

That said, if Carbotech sponsors the series again, I'll probably buy them again (moving up to '93 brakes I hope).

[DECH_92]

I think your going to have some serious PR problems next year.
Hopefully, like you said the new plant in Florida will help change things around.
Come on William, we all no how frustrating it is to call or email someone and not get a reply.
:confused:

[Taylor]

'Course all that aside, I appreciate your candure in that business was simply too good to keep up. It happens (all the time).

Regardless, I'd say that's your answer to the burning question in your first post.

[haniforama]

do you want company's to support motorsports

YES

are you using hawk

YES

are you using performance friction

NO

other

PBR Metalmaster

do you care if the company is canadian

YES

do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product

YES

do you think you should support your sponsors

YES

what type of car do you race

93 Civic, 92 Integra

what is your daily ride

93 Civic, 92 Interga

how have you heard about us

This messageboard.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

I haven't tried contacting you since i have been extremely happy with HAWK. I have a very reliable source who stocks my particular part in excess quantity so I never have issues with availability. That said, i did consider trying your product however based on the word-of-mouth grumblings that calls were not being answered, i didn't. I still have an excess supply of brake pads so it might be another year before i'm shopping for pads :)

Hanif

[wpfri]

Taylor, yes i sponsor motorsports,IN fact we won the SUPER GT SERIES.I called alex last year and i declined because there was no direct reward to you for using my product so instead of 10 dollar coupons(carbotech) I offered 20% off or about 40 dollars
off to the solo community.I also did not want my logo on a car without my product on it,I am not looking for blanket advertising,i want feed back on my product.THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING
WILLIAM

[Taylor]

I didn't ask if you sponsor Motorsport, I asked if you sponsor Solo 1 or Solo 2. The two disciplines that the people on this board participate in.

While I can appreciate your not wanting to blanket advertise with your logo on cars that don't have your product, you still could sponsor the series, request that people do not need to run the decal (or only run it on a car so equipped) and/or be part of a contingency program that rewards drivers for running your product(s). And better yet you'd be able to setup shop at the Solo Open House and potentially sell a hundred sets of pads in one day.

And while your 20% offer is generous, it really doesn't further the series as a whole, simply drivers who buy your product, so you're more or less sponsoring the drivers (which is totally cool and I'm sure much appreciated by those who have taken advantage of the offer). I suspect many more would have taken advantage of the offer had they been able to.

Please understand the only reason I asked the Solo 1 & 2 question in the first place is because you posted this message on the Solo board, in the Solo 1 forum and said you were curious as to why more Solo 1 people have not bought your product(s). In addition to that the questionaire asks specific questions to "sponsorship" and leads in this direction of tit for tat.

While I can appreciate that you sponsor the GT series, I (and *most* everyone else here) don't compete in it. So to buy solely on the fact that you sponsor other series...I ask, what performance part manufacturer doesn't?

Should I buy a Toyota because Toyota sponsors SCCA?

[wpfri]

DECH 92 The product speaks for its self,Chris Atkins reply earlier
ROB McAULY'S REPLY,ROB SMITH'S REPLY,AND IAN LAW(a full second a lap quicker than hawk blues and no fade in corner 3).
We have a full staff of 5 on the sales counter plus ken koven VP in kingston,myself ,Denise Kyte NBDM production staff,(who make your brakes) and most important our chief race mechanic MATHEW SLEITH who helps with brake development and builds our cars that win championships.THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY
WILLIAM

[wpfri]

TAYLOR,FIRST OFF THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY,I LIKE YOUR FEED BACK.My family has been in the brake business for about 35 years.We have been selling formulations and processes all over the world for other people,my product in other peoples boxes claiming they make it.I wanted to go racing and prove the product,Our first time out, we win the championship,We had to start at the top of canadian motorsport to get credibility.I started the forum to find out how you felt about our product,our service and how many of you like and use sponsored products,how much money do you think carbotech gave your series,I know, do you.
I am not just going to sponsor solo 1 or solo 2, I am looking to sponsor THE ENTIRE CANADIAN MOTORSPORT SERIES.My marketing team and I and perry are working on that right now for
2004. WILLIAMS

[Taylor]

I'm wasn't comparing you to Carbotech. Whatever deal was made with Carbotech, is theirs and the Director's (and to an extent the comittee) business. It's irrelevant to me. I was mearly illustrating a point that given comperable product and services I would support Carbotech if they were a series sponsor again over someone who wasn't a series sponsor. That is supporting your sponsors.

I do have a concern that you know the arrangement, or more or less how you know.

I'm pleased to hear your interest in that level of sponsorship. Though if this is a CASC blanket type sponsorship, someone, someday will have to explain how that money (or more or less how much) gets to Solo Ontario.

Anyone want to draw me a flowchart?

[ScotcH]

After several months of back and forth issues (some shipping, some stock, etc.) I finally got to try some WPFRI pads and rotors at the last couple of events. They certainly worked better than the PBR MMs I was using until then, but they didn't blow me away, and didn't seem to stop as well as other cars I was in (like Rob McAuley's for example ... similar weight car). I think the bedding was done incorrectly, since the rotors have some nasty grooves in them :(. I will be trying with a fresh set in the spring. I have not tried Hawks, but I probably will, just for the comparison.

I would love for WPFRI to sponsor SOLO, and I have no problem buying the product, but the service and stock issues MUST be resolved. People simply do not have the patience to call/e-mail a company 10 times before they get any results. All calls and e-mail MUST be responded to ... hire some summer students if you have to, just to man the phone and e-mails!

Once these issues are resolved, you will be suprised at how easy it will be to sell to the SOLO community.

track car: Acura Legend
daily cars: Legend, 1.8T Jetta, Volvo 740

[wpfri]

HI ERIC,ITS WILLIAM,I just looked up your order and you did not purchase full,F1 carbon track pads, you have F1.05 which are 2 heat ranges lower,Rob is running F1.15 and chris is running F1.20
We run F1.20 on the vett,full race car with slicks,and like chris said
they are agressive, too much for street tires.Chris still has half a pad left after lots of use.The corvette will go 10 complete weekends on one set,that's friday practice,20 min race saturday,40 min race sunday every weekend for 10 events.If you bought the wrong pad by error,some people don't like to swap pads at the track,you can drive F1.05 on the street in all temps and it will survive about 3 weekends at mosport with a heavy car like yours,I will give you a set of F1.15 no charge and please buy the blues and do a comparision and post your results on this forum.THANKS WILLIAM

[Nissan Racer]

Thats probably the same problem I had with my pads. I used a set of your pads early in the year, they worked great for Solo II but after two track days (solo I at Shannonville pro track and Solo I on the DDT) they were pretty much done and the brakes faded to nothing...made a couple of the turns at the bottom of the DDT rather interesting :D
But for Solo II they seemed great, as you don't get near the heat into them through the run and cold bite is important.

[ScotcH]

Originally posted by wpfri
If you bought the wrong pad by error,some people don't like to swap pads at the track,you can drive F1.05 on the street in all temps and it will survive about 3 weekends at mosport with a heavy car like yours,I will give you a set of F1.15 no charge and please buy the blues and do a comparision and post your results on this forum.THANKS WILLIAM

Well, you certainly seem to be trying to make it right with the SOLO guys ... good to see. We will be talking over the next couple of months to make sure I get the proper set up for the spring. I change pads for the track, I have R-comp tires, and might even be changing front discs for the track, if that will make a difference. We can discuss more offline.

[wpfri]

Nissan Racer,I could not look up your bill to see what you purchased,I dont know your full name.There are 2 levels of street pads,the S2,FOR AUTO CROSS AND HIGH PERFORMANCE STREET DRIVING,THESE PADS ARE VERY AGRESSIVE, FOR SHORT HEAT CYCLES, ONLY!79.99 plus 20% off.They will not survive LAPPING DAYS.The S1 are for street driving and LIMITED track use.4 TO 6 HOURS OF SHANNONVILLE THEY ARE DUST.They were designed for a street car on street tires to drive to the track and have fun and drive home.NOT FULL OUT RACING ON A PRETEND STREET CAR RUNNING SHAVED TOYO'S. 79.99 plus20% off.Now were into the F1 series of race pads,the F1.05 is a more agressive pad than the S1,will survive much more abuse with an agressive driver.F1.10 now we are getting into a very agressive pad for YOUR PRETEND STREET CAR RUNNING ON SHAVED TOYO'S.The F1.15 and F1.20 are for full race cars running on slicks.Crazy people like CHRIS will run them with shaved TOYO's and shaved YOKO'S. Our vette runs on F1.20. THANK YOU FOR REPLYING
WILLIAM

[treefort]

William;

I've sat back and had a chance to review the comments. The common thread that runs thru most is a clear cut case of over promised and under delivered. To effect a turn around you need to focus internally and improve the level of communication and customer service. For most drivers this is a hobby and what's evident , none are willing to chase suppliers to obtain product regardless of price or country of origin. Simply stated alternative sources of supply exist and are providing product in a timely fashion. IMO offering replacement pads on a no charge basis is only a band-aid measure. A policy of under promising and over supplying would re-establish brand confidence within the race community. By now the survey feedback/opinions you've recieved should provide more than adequate infomation to formulate an action plan. It's time to pull the plug on this info commercial.

Gord B TR 8

[wpfri]

Gord TR-8,WELL SAID,WE HAVE FIXED OUR SUPPLY ISSUE AND I WILL SEE YOU AT THE OMSC MEETING IN DECEMBER.
WILLIAM

[haniforama]

Is there any chance you could also refrain from using all caps?

It's quite irritating.

Thanks,

Hanif

[Chris91GT]

Originally posted by wpfri
Crazy people like CHRIS will run them with shaved TOYO's and shaved YOKO'S. Our vette runs on F1.20.
WILLIAM

:D

Lock-up and impending doom aside, they plant the Mustang on its nose everytime I brush the middle pedal!

[paulmon]

> do you want company's to support motorsports

You bet!

> are you using hawk

No

> are you using performance friction

No, don't believe Performance friction has a Mini pad do they?

> other

Yes, Other, Ferodo DS2500

> do you care if the company is canadian

Would be nice.

> do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product

Yes.

> do you think you should support your sponsors

Yes.

> what type of car do you race

MINI Cooper S.

> what is your daily ride

Same as above.

> how have you heard about us

Various forum posts etc.

[bbqman]

I am late in this thread but I find it interesting. To answer some of the poll questions, I currently use Hawk Blues (Roadrace, Solo I and lapping), HP+ (street) and HPS (winter). Over the last 10 years , I have tried PF, Ferodo, Cobalt, MM and OE to name a few, but I keep coming back to Hawk all the time.
I always like to try new pads as I often find myself in a position to reccomend, however I have never heard of Williams. Is this an Ontario base market product only?
I do believe in supporting Canadian products, when justified( price/performance/availability) and most certainly when they support our sport.
if the company hasn't a program to test their pads under race situations, I usually help out as I believe in track testing..bigtime!

Anyhow, I drive an Integra Type-r and a CRX (roadracer), and I would like more info on your product, if possible.

Carl Wener
Promotion Director CADL
FAQ Solo Commission advisor

[John P]

Hi William

Do you want company's to support motorsports
Of course. All help is welcome.

Are you using hawk?
Using EBC Greens, but in previous years have used Hawk Blacks, Blues, Ferodo, MM, OEM

Are you using performance friction?
No

Do you care if the company is Canadian?
It is nice, but I prefer the best product over where its made


Do you care if the company is involved in racing to improve there product?
A company should support a race product on the track to obtain racers exposure and test it themselves. When the competition gets tough, the company can generate innovative ideas to improve their products.

Do you think you should support your sponsors?
Of Course.

What type of car do you race?
2000 Celica GT

What is your daily ride?
1992 Toyota Camry

How have you heard about us?
This forum.

I talked to you at the third Solo 1 event (Fabi) and then called numerous times to obtain Pads for my car and my son' s (Chris) 1987 CRX, but to no avail. Even with our substandard brakes (from a racers viewpoint), Chris won the Overall Solo 1 Championship, while I finished third overall.

We sure would like to try your brakes next year, if you have your supply issues resolved.

John

[glh]

Being new to solo 1 I didn't learn about your products untill the end of the seson and driving a 86 Omni with 89 daytona 11" brakes I ran Bendix off the self pads and would to try your race pad
Now my question to you is I own and operate a small auto shop in Ajax that does between 5 to 10 brake jobs a week do you offer a preminion pad for the general public if so we should talk i curently stock bendix pads which i fell are a very good stock pad
quite and prefofm well quality is my first consern
Call me @ 905-426-8922 Mon to Fri 8:30 to 5:30
thank you Steve