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Dave
11-17-2003, 12:22 AM
Hi All:

For those of you who were unable to attend the Solo 1 workshop but had an interest in it, here's a summary of what we discussed, as well some other issues the CCC is working on for 2004. Please feel free to share your views on any of these topics, since we're always looking for ways to improve the system such that the greatest number of competitors find themselves in a fun and competitive class.

2003 Summary Statistics:
145 different competitors competed and 649 person events registered; compared to 118 different competitors and 648 person events registered in 2002.

37 competitors attended at least 7 events, qualifying them for the championship; compared to 33 in 2002.

Average of 50.8 registered competitors per event in 2003; compared to 51.85 in 2001/2002

We had a high of 84 registered competitors for event 12 at SMP Pro and a low of 43 competitors for event 1 at SMP Nelson.

We had 49 novices compete this year, compared to 48 in 2002, 39 in 2001, and 40 in 2000.

We had a total of 16 classes, with 6 being filled (3 or more competitors) and 10 under-filled (less than 3 competitors) on average in 2003, or 37.5% of classes being filled on average; compared to 23 classes in 2002, with 6 being filled and 17 being under-filled, or 26% of classes being filled on average.

We had 29 unique 100-point class winners in 2003; compared to 30 in 2002 -- given the significant reduction in the number of classes in 2003, we feel this indicates an increase in the overall competitiveness of the series.

Rulebook Issues Discussed:
Safety regulations and roll over protection - There may be increased safety requirements handed down from the ASN National Solo Committee which will mean that many of our more modified cars will no longer be allowed to compete without roll over protection. The details of this situation have yet to be worked out, but we will update you as soon as we have them. If you car has a gutted interior, lightened body/chassis, a fixed-back racing bucket seat and a racing harness seat belt system, there is strong indications that you'll be required to equip your car with a roll bar that meets CASC specs (as outlined in the rulebook in section 2.3 in the rulebook).

Elimination or reduction of negative PIPs in the 'Body & Trim' section of the rulebook - There was quite a lot of discussion about reducing the perceived advantage modified cars may have in the same class against stock cars. Christian proposed that the imbalance may be as a result of the negative PIPs awarded for the addition of safety items including roll over protection, fire supression systems, and nomex gear, which were allowing cars to "sneak" down a class. The CCC is now examining the Body & Trim section of the rulebook very carefully and it's likely we will be reducing the negative PIPs for roll over protection (we will no longer differentiate between roll bars and roll cages) and eliminating negative PIPs for anything else. We may also be assigning different PIP values to other Body & Trim mods so that they reflect performance enhancement more accurately. It is our hope that this change will help equalize the playing field between more heavily modified cars and lightly modified or stock cars competing in the same class.

OE Head Swaps - this issue was raised, particularly in reference to the 92-95 Honda Civic VX. As a result of this discussion and further research done by the CCC, it's possible we will raise the PIP value of OE head swaps such that cars such as the Civic VX will not gain an unfair advantage against similar cars who are required to do an engine swap to achieve the same result.

Forced Induction Rules - were discussed at the workshop and at a prior CCC meeting. As a result of these discussions, a new category will be added for air-to-liquid intercooling systems in order to recognize the performance advantage these provide over a standard air-to-air intercooler. A new rule dealing with water spraying of intercoolers will also be added.

Clarification to the bushing rules in the Suspension section - it was pointed out that there is some ambiguity with regards to upgrading bushings in this section of the rulebook, a situation we will be addressing. In particular, we will be eliminating any mention of bushing material type with regards to camber adjustable devices such that any bushing material is legal in this case (elimination of 6.2.3.b)

Dyno Plot Option - considerable discussion went on surrounding this issue. It was concluded that this method of classification, though certainly imperfect, continues to be a desireable option and one that competitors want left open to them. We will, however, be tightening up the requirements of this option such that we are provided with more consistent and comparable data that will allow us to achieve the fairest classification possible in each case.

Carb rules - Jud has provided the CCC with some excellent feedback on our rules regarding carbs and we will be implementing the revisions and additions he's suggested in this area.

Use of Aftermarket Engine Blocks - Jud also provided us with some insightful thoughts on the use of non-OE engine blocks, something we have not addressed in the rulebook to date. We will be adding a rule such that aftermarket blocks are legal but are assigned a PIP value recognizing the enhanced performance capabilities these blocks provide.

Mentoring Program - a number of competitors felt that introducing a formal mentoring program where novices to the series are matched up with a veteran competitor who can show them the ropes would do wonders to promote the series and help retain new competitors. Although somewhat outside the scope of the workshop, I believe the Director took note of this issue and will raise it at future Solo 1 Committee meetings.

Overall the feedback received from the competitors in attendance was that the new system of classification is working extremely well for most cars. The CCC has received a great deal of very positive feedback from competitors to date. We continue to welcome any/all feedback competitors may have, good or bad, so please don't be shy and let us know where you feel we can improve the system. We appreciate your comments!

Cheers,
Dave

RacerRick
11-17-2003, 10:08 AM
Was there any talk about roll over protection needed for the big Track at Mosport?

Dave
11-17-2003, 11:03 AM
Rick, I don't think there was any talk about special roll over protection requirements for the big track. I do not know of any changes in eligibility or requirements to participate in our big track weekend above and beyond a normal Solo 1 weekend, but I'm sure that once the event is booked Christian will have more details about it for everyone.

Dave Barker
11-19-2003, 09:34 PM
Dave, I really appreciate your efforts in getting us some statistical analysis of the first year with the linear car classification system. Most interesting was having virtually the same number of individual winners despite having 30 % fewer classes. This surely indicates much better competition.

Also as far as those who worried that the PIP schedule was all wrong, we had winners with stock cars, lightly modified cars and heavily modified cars. I don't think any particular type of car stood out as "the way to go" and there was nothing like the domination of some cars that occured in the "Family" system used for the previous 2 years.

Shaman
11-19-2003, 10:15 PM
Very nice. If I put plates back on Rob's Super 7 and register it for street use, will that change its classification? Assuming that I also use DOT tires?

Chris P
11-20-2003, 12:01 AM
hmmm, it may go down 1 class if any. So no, not really.

Shaman
11-20-2003, 10:14 AM
One class would be fine. :D

ADAM
11-20-2003, 10:18 AM
shamen if you take the hoosiers off that car..the problem is then you have have a whole bunch of cars breathing down your neck if you go to DOT r's

philip_240sx
11-20-2003, 05:57 PM
I will be interested to see how the PIPs in the 'Body & Trim' section work out. It may have a significant impact on my plans for the 4pt roll bar I will be installing in my car.

AirCooln
11-20-2003, 06:46 PM
I hear you....I may cancel the roll bar and stick my carpet, rear seats, etc back in. If I don’t get a good reduction in pips for the bars weight, keeping the interior will be the better way to go I believe.

ice/solo racer
11-20-2003, 08:20 PM
I agree with points against int. removal versus roll bar/cage,with small cars the interior is hardly worth the points as it hardly weighs anything.The cage adds nearly 100 pounds and all the int. including the dash weighs half that if lucky.
This rule change has a very negative impact on my class next year as the only thing keeping me in the class is the negative points for the cage and addition of a fire extinguisher.
I can't afford to spend more money for parts to try and be competitive in the next higher class if I get bumped.

RacerRick
11-21-2003, 09:01 AM
Even my larger camaro's interior weighs little other than the seats which currently are a legal mod for me.

I have been weighing the camaro parts as I have been taking them out and the roll bar (not even a cage) will still be around 50lbs additional weight over the original weight with the stripped interior. A full cage would be 100lbs over.

It may or may not bump me up into SGT3 in which I don't think I would be competitive at all with the current combo.

Dave
11-21-2003, 11:36 AM
Rick and Tom, since you guys both have experience with gutted cars and we (the CCC) are looking for data on weight savings, would it be possible for either of you to forward me all the numbers you've got from gutting your cars? This will be very helpful for us as we work on setting more accurate PIP values within the Body&Trim section of the rulebook. Currently we're working from a fairly small sample of gutted cars and it would be great to diversify this data set.

BTW guys, I wouldn't panic too much about the interior gutting not being offset by the negative PIP value attached to roll over protection. Based on what we've learned so far by looking at weight savings in gutted cars I'm quite confident you'll still have enough negative PIPs to offset gutting the interior. I wouldn't, however, plan on spending any other negative PIPs elsewhere in the Body&Trim section. This may throw a monkey wrench into your plans, but lets wait and see how the final revisions pan out before hurling loogees at me just yet :)

And guys, I think you're going to see a lowing of many PIP levels in the B&T section, so it's not all bad news...

RacerRick
11-21-2003, 12:28 PM
Here are the camaro's weights. All are in lbs.

front seat 68
rear seats, back & bottoms 38
back seat arm rests 4

headliner 8
A-pillar covers 2
kick panels, non-A/C 4
carpet 18
carpet underlayment 28
door sill plates (hold down the carpet) 1
ash tray & mounting brackets 2
center console 7
dash board 12
door panels 24 both
sun visors 2 both

emergency brake assembly 4
heater / A/C fan switch panel 1
glove box door, box, hinges 3

heat exchanger assembly 12 (the A/C one is much heavier though)
heater ducts and vent 5

Total weight reduction for a completely gutted car with a 15lb race seat - 228lbs

For these mods it would cost the following PIP's

2 PIP from section 6.3.11 - Unauthorized removal and interior trim
1 PIP from section 6.3.7 - Unauthorized removal of seats
1 PIP from section 6.3.10 - changing the winding hardware because the removal of the door panels and power windows.

It could also cost addition PIP's depending on what class you are in and how picky the scutineer is.

1 PIP from section 6.3.9 - Rear window modification (removed the moldings)

The shipping weight for a roll bar for my car is 167lbs. A cage is 210lbs. By completely gutting the interior and adding a roll bar I spend 4 PIP's and save 61 lbs. With a cage I spend 4 PIP's and save 18 lbs. The cage weights are high on my car because the larger car needs longer bars and to install the cage requires subframe connectors that are added into the weight.

Currently I get back 2 PIP's for the bar and 3 PIPS for the cage. Its not much incentive to stick the cage in but I like the extra safety aspect since this car is also destined for other motorsports where it is required to be caged.

The bumpers on my particular car are bridge truss like and can easily be removed to save nearly 100lbs each. I doubt any other cars can do this though as this car is an extreme case for bumpers. Doors are 112lbs each. The hood is 70 lbs. Fibreglass replacements are 27lbs and 17 lbs respectively.

Dave
11-21-2003, 01:06 PM
thanks Rick!

ice/solo racer
11-21-2003, 09:21 PM
Dave I didn't strip the crx as it was purchased that way but based on the weights of other honda civic ice racers I stripped they don't much at all,all the plastic weighs next to nothing.The heaviest items are the dash(still not too much)and blower motor(likely the heaviest item next to front seats).
I've never gotten as thorough as Rick and weighed each item,I'm usually next yanking and throwing at that stage:D
Some of those items on Ricks old boat are damn heavy for sure,there's no way a small car loses even a quater of that!

CobraStang
11-23-2003, 11:34 AM
Here's a link to a whole thread on weight reduction for Mustangs, including interior components.
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=166177&highlight=weight

I have been considering adding a roll bar, even though I still plan to use the car as a summer daily driver. IMHO, there should be an incentive for adding a roll bar or cage. Not just a break even proposition.

The rool bar adds weight, costs money, makes access to the rear more difficult, not just for passengers but also for tire transport, looks ugly, reduces resale value of car(?), etc. The only upsides are a slightly stiffer chassis (means nothing to anyone who isn't already a great driver), and enhanced safety. Since safety is very important to Solo 1, my thoughts are that an attractive negative PIP for roll bars/cages should be maintained.

Dave
11-23-2003, 12:28 PM
Thanks Russ! That link is very helpful.

I agree there should be some incentive for competitors to add roll over protection (though you'd think protecting yourself would be incentive enough), but we don't want to skew the competitiveness of the series in the process. And with roll over protection becoming a requirement for modified cars (say at the Starting Class +4 level) in 2004, those competitors in cars that are significantly exceeding manufacturer predicted speed potential and built-in roll over protection are essentially being forced to protect themselves, so the incentive issue becomes less important.