CASC-OR Solo 2 for 2004 and Beyond

[tanney]

I would like to start off by introducing myself to those of you who don't know me. My name is Wes Tanney, and I am the new CASC-OR Solo 2 Director for the next two seasons.

My first priority is to move to the CNAC rule set. Consider this done with some details to be worked out. Obviously people that have prepped there cars for the current rule set are not going to be pleased (yes, I can read and have internet access, just like the rest of the CASC BOD and most of our series sponsors).

All whining aside, the CNAC rule set does seem to be the direction to go in, making cross region and cross boarder competition easier to prepare for.

The current system is in serious need of revamping and with the ASN Solo Committee pushing for standardized rules across the country, CASC-OR should proceed in that direction before being told to do so.

I will be working hard to make the Regional Series "the series" in Ontario, hopefully making it the envy of all of Canada and the U.S..

Sure, there are going to be issues moving to a new system and I have already read that some competitors will not be competing due to the uncertainty of the new rules. That is too bad and some of these competitors will be missed, but like everything, times change and progress pushes us forward.

I am requesting tentative dates from CASC-OR clubs and I encourage you to contact your club BOD members to get your club on the 2004 schedule.

If you have suggestions as to how to make the series better, or wish to volunteer to help out, please drop me a line.

I can be reached at solo2guy@sympatico.ca. I may not be able to get back to you immediately, but I will do my best to do so in a timely fashion.

Wes Tanney
CASC-OR Solo 2 Director

[haniforama]

I'm glad to see the move to a standardized set of rules that can be applied at the national level. It just makes sense.

I have taken part is many different series, in many parts of the province and also across the border in the states.

I did have a couple of CASC regional level wins but it still felt better beating out 15-20 americans in the SCCA events i attended since i knew the classing was tighter.

Hanif

[ice/solo racer]

For the record I believe its about time the classing was updated/revamped.Too many cars kept on getting grouped with newer models,too many starting in ss when factory fresh.
I see it as being a good thing,should have a more even spread of cars per class instead of the mostly underfilled/certain other classes being huge.
Besides we all know if anybody can make this work its Wes,congrats on the new title buddy.

[JoeT]

Wes,

You are a glutton for punishment. But like ever sporting organization there needs to be strong direction. I'm confident that with your outlook and your dedication there's only one way this sport will go.

Thanks for taking on the role of the big fish...

Let us know how we can help you out. Oh, when's the next brain storming session anyway?

[soloZ]

Wes I think you are the best man for this new challenge, As for not competing I think the only thing stoping me is my car I don't really want to spend any more money on that pile so if you would like help once in a while I would be glad to come out and try. I am also "trying" to save money for my first ever big vacation so any money I don't spend on the car goes to that and a little goes to my other hobby.

[Nissan Racer]

Wes:
How soon until the final version of the rules is ready? I know its a lot of work but whether or not I compete in Solo II next year depends on if there is enough time to figure what it will take to make my car competitive next year.

[gatherer]

Wes, I will Definiately be running in the regional series this coming year. esspecially with the new rule set. I experienced this rule set out in Red deer and found it to have way better classification.

[tanney]

How soon until the final version of the rules is ready?
I've been the Solo 2 Director for 4 days...... I haven't even had a chance to form a Solo 2 Committee to discuss the issues at length.

First priority is budget, then rules!

[ShaneG]

Wes,
Simply ...Thank You and Good Luck

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by tanney
I've been the Solo 2 Director for 4 days...... I haven't even had a chance to form a Solo 2 Committee to discuss the issues at length.

First priority is budget, then rules!
No worries, just thought I'd ask.
But since I am classed with the Mini Cooper S, theres little point to contesting the series next year anyways. Looks like its time to move up to Solo I.

[miataboi]

Originally posted by Nissan Racer
No worries, just thought I'd ask.
But since I am classed with the Mini Cooper S, theres little point to contesting the series next year anyways. Looks like its time to move up to Solo I.

Is it the Cooper S itself that you don't feel that you have a chance against due to mechanical advantage??? or the people piloting them?

MOST agree that driver is CLOSE to everything in this sport...

[Nissan Racer]

The car. I drove Stevens. No doubt its faster. I don't mind getting beat by better drivers, I'm used to it :D
Under previous rules it was BSS vs. my SE in B1. Now we're in the same class?

[Logan]

I think the Cooper S is underclassed in whatever class it was in.
I think it should be a DStock car.

[miataboi]

I was JUST ABOUT to say that regardless of what class it's in... people bitch about it being in their class...

Perhaps it's driver???

It is not a mod car, people!!!

Perhaps Steve and Tony should have their own class???
:rolleyes:


I agree that a Sentra, ANY Sentra should be slower than a cooper-S...

But I also believe that a MSP should EASILY be able to hold it's own with a cooper S!!!

Sound like "not-in-my-backyard" syndrome! :D :p




And just because you think the Cooper S's will be quicker than you... doesn't mean that you shouldn't compete!!!!
That's what makes you better!
Just keep track of tony and steve... and figure out what percentage of their time you are running (98.3%, 98.7%, 99.1%, etc!)

Being in and winning a non-competitive class is no fun! Gotta aim high! :)

[Nissan Racer]

Originally posted by miataboi
I was JUST ABOUT to say that regardless of what class it's in... people bitch about it being in their class...

Perhaps it's driver???

It is not a mod car, people!!!

Perhaps Steve and Tony should have their own class???
:rolleyes:


I agree that a Sentra, ANY Sentra should be slower than a cooper-S...

But I also believe that a MSP should EASILY be able to hold it's own with a cooper S!!!

Sound like "not-in-my-backyard" syndrome! :D :p




And just because you think the Cooper S's will be quicker than you... doesn't mean that you shouldn't compete!!!!
That's what makes you better!
Just keep track of tony and steve... and figure out what percentage of their time you are running (98.3%, 98.7%, 99.1%, etc!)

Being in and winning a non-competitive class is no fun! Gotta aim high! :)
With its stiffer suspension and low end torque, I think the SE-R Spec-V could hold its own against a Cooper, and I think the MSP could too.

[spoonie]

congrats on the position wes. i know you'll do it well.

was one of the stipulations of you being the man in charge that you cut your hair? :D

~spoonie

[Marsh]

Originally posted by miataboi
I was JUST ABOUT to say that regardless of what class it's in... people bitch about it being in their class...

Perhaps it's driver???

It is not a mod car, people!!!

Perhaps Steve and Tony should have their own class???
:rolleyes:


My argument hasn't been that Steve and Tony are fast. They always are. The argument against the mini is the relatively large number of BSS competitors (and good ones at that), that were able to jump in Steve's stock mini and go faster than they did in their own cars! That's pretty solid evidence a car is smoking fast.

In CNAC there are plenty of faster classes for the mini. Right now we have one of the fastest stock slalom cars in the 2nd slowest stock classes. To say the error is glaring is the understament of the year!

I would vote CS, or at the very least ES.

[miataboi]

Originally posted by Marsh
My argument hasn't been that Steve and Tony are fast. They always are. The argument against the mini is the relatively large number of BSS competitors (and good ones at that), that were able to jump in Steve's stock mini and go faster than they did in their own cars! That's pretty solid evidence a car is smoking fast.

In CNAC there are plenty of faster classes for the mini. Right now we have one of the fastest stock slalom cars in the 2nd slowest stock classes. To say the error is glaring is the understament of the year!

I would vote CS, or at the very least ES.

Tony and Steve know how to prep a car...
Do these other "BSS" competitors?
Were the tires on the Mini sub-par at any of these times? NO?
Steve's Mini was prepped to be optimal in the class that he was in. There are good auto-x cars... and bad auto-x cars...

Taking a sub-optimal car... prepping it half-azzed... getting it into a high class... and then getting into a good auto-x car that has been UNDER-prepped for optimal classing... and then being able to drive the lower-classed car faster... isn't a mystery... nor should it be.

Tony and Steve don't prep cars the way they do because they think a mod will make the car more fun... or just 'cause...

They do it because it's the smart thing to do if you want to be competitive in a given class...

So I don't like using this anecdotal evidence as reasons why the car is in the wring class...

And using any 1 - 3 person's / people's experiences to draw conclusions about classing is not right.

Steve, Tony and Daniel are awesome drivers... in very quick cars that can be driven fast at our venues... so what.

let's not start drawing conclusions based on what 1 person does... or because of the few vocals who are whining about not having a good car.

IF you are going to "run what you brung"... and bitch that it's not competitive... you'd better have the car prepped pretty optimally... AND be a REALLY good driver first.

Just my opinion.

[andrew1984]

can we talk about preperation point schedule?


Weight Reduction C1-

can i get a very CLEAR answer as to what is coachwork?


( does this mean side moulding? )

thx

[tanney]

Taken from 5.2.B of the 2003 CNAC rules

Coachwork is defined as all external panels and pieces of the body exposed to the airstream.

Is that an aftermarker side molding? If so, it not be considered stock coachwork.

[andrew1984]

side moulding as in the black rubber/plastic strip running down the side of the car to protect it from door dings/scratches.

[tanney]

Andrew, I think coachwork is refering to the (in your case) metal fender or door panels, not the plastic or rubber bump strips.

the replacement panel must completely replace the original panel and must be without holes or other interruptions in the continuity of the surface unless specifically listed in the authorized modifications of the category

Interpretting this, you will need to fill in the clip holes though (if you are replacing panels).

[andrew1984]

so i have to go buy a bucket of putty to fill in the holes?????

honestly....:rolleyes:

can something be done about that?

[tanney]

If you are replacing panels...... but the clip holes will create drag, so suit yourself....

[andrew1984]

ok, thanks.

[ice/solo racer]

Miataboi,to be fair neither of the mini's Tony and Steve drive are optimized for the class of last year.Steve's is stock so he has those 2 points to use,Tony's had a rear bar later in the year although I never really talked to either of them on the opinon of the improvement the bar may have caused.
I know Steve was also unhappy at a couple of events that his hoosier's had been over heat cycled and went off.Also on cold tires he said the car had severe snap oversteer(witnessed that on many occasions)early in the run followed by understeer for the remainder of the run,not exactly confidence inspiring.
Also the single biggest limiting factor to the mini's performance potential is the lack of an lsd,neither Tony or Steve's mini's had one.So how fast do you think those guys would if truly optimized for the class with say a rear bar and diff for those 2 points?
I feel confident in saying if they had optimized the car I'd of really really had a fight for class honours.
You are right that you shouldn't base classing on how quick a couple of the best drivers in series are in a certain car,otherwise old school corollas might need a reclassing!:D

[J.C.]

I actually had heard that the Corolla was classed wrong but it was to late to correct the error when it was found out.

[Marsh]

No, I checked a few times. It's right. When the top two guys in CASC-OR Solo-2 are in the same class, it's never too late ;)

[Logan]

Originally posted by ice/solo racer
Also on cold tires he said the car had severe snap oversteer(witnessed that on many occasions)
Oh yeah! He let me experience that!

My vote is to put the mini with my car, DStock. Sure, I have a LSD but I think this is an even match.

Wait, now Tony is in my class again! I'm trying to get away from him!!!!

[ice/solo racer]

J.C. don't forget that my corolla's suspension is more like a truck than a sports car with a solid rear axel!:)
It makes a great drift car because the rear has no camber adjustments possible so its easy to tune the front for better grip than the rear.With the right tuning it is a pretty well balanced chassis however.

[MastaDeeMon]

Class Mini's(Cooper S') by themselves. Factory built Auto-X car. Cars with blowers don't belong with cars with no blowers, and if cars with blowers are allowed, then aftermarket Forced ind. should be allowed as well. Please don't try to tell me factory blowers are "conservative". It is too EZ to run "chipped" ECU's , smaller pullies, and nobody knows the difference. VW 1.8T's as well. APR's makes some killer chips that have those VeeDub's a flyin' and who the hell knows if it's stock or not? Driver Honesty? In racing? hahahahahahah. yeah, sure. And no I'm not crying, I won my class, I would have won outright if it wasn't for blown and turboed cars in my class. I guess I'm just not a good enough driver to overcome physics.

D.:)

[Nissan Racer]

Amen

[Greg F]

Originally posted by Logan
Wait, now Tony is in my class again! I'm trying to get away from him!!!!

Then try slowing down... D'oh! It's the quickest way to get away from a faster car.:D

[J.C.]

Tom what I was told was the 16 valve Corolla is in B2 and the Corolla GTS is in B3. I was told this was odd because the GTS was supposed to be the top of the line Corolla so should have been B1.


P.S. I have tried to find out what the differences are between the two cars because I was interested in buying your car. However I was unable to find any info and then decided to hold off when I saw the new regs.


Jay

[Marsh]

As answered in private message, now for public consumption

B1 - Corolla fwd GTS

B2 - Corolla fwd 16v and fwd SOHC

B3 - Corolla rwd GTS

all other rwd corolla are considered noc.

For some reason the rule leaves out the fwd designation on the 16 valve in B2.

[miataboi]

Originally posted by MastaDeeMon
Class Mini's(Cooper S') by themselves. Factory built Auto-X car. Cars with blowers don't belong with cars with no blowers, and if cars with blowers are allowed, then aftermarket Forced ind. should be allowed as well. Please don't try to tell me factory blowers are "conservative". It is too EZ to run "chipped" ECU's , smaller pullies, and nobody knows the difference. VW 1.8T's as well. APR's makes some killer chips that have those VeeDub's a flyin' and who the hell knows if it's stock or not? Driver Honesty? In racing? hahahahahahah. yeah, sure. And no I'm not crying, I won my class, I would have won outright if it wasn't for blown and turboed cars in my class. I guess I'm just not a good enough driver to overcome physics.

D.:)

...you're kidding.... right???
:confused:

[andrew1984]

Originally posted by miataboi
...you're kidding.... right???
:confused:


i dont think he is....

but i KNOW he isnt talking about me.


as for the comment about driver honesty, since you decided to speak for everyone by saying we all cheat, i guess that includes you?


hey if you know someones cheating and you still beat them, that should only make you feel better about yourself.

get over it. :rolleyes:

[tanney]

I would have won outright if it wasn't for blown and turboed cars in my class.

PITTL Event #1, you lost to a non-blown car, in the rain....

[MastaDeeMon]

Originally posted by tanney
PITTL Event #1, you lost to a non-blown car, in the rain....

I thought 1 event was a throwaway? Anyway, whatever, I think I'll go back to Drag racing, less B.S.

D.

[J.C.]

MastaDeeMon


Umm no offense but if your going to stay on here complaining about loosing to turbos & superchargers because of the HP difference, you probably should change your sig where it says "who needs HP?"

[tanney]

I thought 1 event was a throwaway? Anyway, whatever, I think I'll go back to Drag racing, less B.S.
Whatever!

One event was a throw away (being the series was the best 5 out of 6 events), but not specifically Event #1.

[finboy]

please keep the pitl and the regional issues separate

the pitl series and classing works for different reasons


peace out

:cool:

dave t

[finboy]

and for those who cry about classing..

give it a rest....

most people I know, have found solo motorsports by accident.

this is grassroots motorsports... if you have a pig you have a pig
its simple

every few years a manufacture comes out with a new car that IS better than the other cars...

its like that every year, and every year the class with the new player in town.. crys the blues...

but...put Steven or Tony in any class....even if you prep your car to the max, you'll still be behind the 8 ball in tallent

they win because 1 they are excellent drivers, and 2 they do what it takes to win.


my take


dave t

[ice/solo racer]

Ummm,sorry Finboy but I'd like to point out that I was in both Tony and Stephen's class and while I agree that the talent depth is incredible and I still aspire to their level-but the fact is I didn't lose to either of them despite attempts by Stephen driving 3 different cars in class.
Ok Tony did beat me by 4/10's at the bracebridge event but I opted for organizer points I only ran for fun on my 185mm yok rains to save the khumo's for events that counted.He was about a second off my best time there on the khumo's.Don't forget that those mini's are on hoosier's most of the time.
Should I be grouped in with those 2?I wish,but maybe next year it won't rain at the shootout and I get a better chance to go head to head:cool:

[finboy]

ummmmmmmm sorry tom.. i took a secret poll, and you should be
in a class all by yourself

:cool: ;) :p :)

[finboy]

oh.. and I was speaking to fat albert and he said Miataboi is like a PA day

he got nooooooooooooooo class

:D

[ice/solo racer]

But Finboy I thought it was you that was in a class all your own?;)

[haniforama]

I MAKE whatever class i'm in...

You guys do what you want :D