russia: multi car accident leads to a beat down

[thgear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTnwu-YLJ1s

guy probably had an episode or something, thought he was still in Chechnya...

anyone in blue with ДПС on the back is a cop, also one of the guys that was hit is a also a cop off duty

dialogue:

mid way through you hear someone yell out "someone ****ing shoot him already"

in the end

lady asks: what happened here?

guy says: nothing, one car hit another car and hit another car, then all this happened

lady: is he drunk?

guy: no hes just crazy

then some other shit but its not important

[racer-025]

Perfect case for a stun-gun. Big guy. Looks like the cop couldn`t stop him until backup arrived. I think his brother races with us...

[RobCrx]

Too much Vodka !

[darcyw]

so let's see what would happen over here in Canada if that happened...the guilty party would then sue everyone around him who beat him, charge the police with some BS crap, get off of his charges, then sell a book and do a miniseries about his experience.

They do have justice right over there...we need less crap laws which let the offender have more rights than the victims. Enough pandering to the special interest groups, too. And then people complain about use of tazer's...would you rather survive a tazer or be dead?

but i digress...nice post.

darcy

[Ziploc]

Beatings went a little far near the end. Looked like it hurt pretty good.

[CAllen]

Hey Darcy,

You ever attended any kind of seminar or training on the "Use of Force Wheel" that our police services here in Ontario use? I sat through a 2 hour presentation as part of a Coroner's Inquest on use of force by police, and I learned a GREAT DEAL about how they approach these types of situations here. Believe me, it is nothing like what you just described above. It's a VERY well thought out, logical sequence of events designed to use the least amount of force possible to subdue a suspect in a violent situation. The last thing on a police officer's mind is a lawsuit. The first thing on his/her mind is public safety. It might not hurt to learn a little bit about how police operate here before commenting on their performance of their jobs.

Oh yeah, I work for a Criminal Lawyer, so I'm not biased towards the police at all. I just happen to understand how they are supposed to use force in this province.

[mrNewt]

video no longer available ...

[thgear]

yeah i figured something like this would not stay out that long

guess you missed it :)

[thgear]

Hey Darcy,

You ever attended any kind of seminar or training on the "Use of Force Wheel" that our police services here in Ontario use? I sat through a 2 hour presentation as part of a Coroner's Inquest on use of force by police, and I learned a GREAT DEAL about how they approach these types of situations here. Believe me, it is nothing like what you just described above. It's a VERY well thought out, logical sequence of events designed to use the least amount of force possible to subdue a suspect in a violent situation. The last thing on a police officer's mind is a lawsuit. The first thing on his/her mind is public safety. It might not hurt to learn a little bit about how police operate here before commenting on their performance of their jobs.

Oh yeah, I work for a Criminal Lawyer, so I'm not biased towards the police at all. I just happen to understand how they are supposed to use force in this province.

least amount of force is zero amount of force

any amount of force is too much force

what is enough force to arrest a child cracked out of his mind running around with a running chainsaw? Is that on page 5 of the seminar hand out?

what is enough force to take down Mike Tyson?

I think its bad that a Police Officer has to think about how others might think of him thinking of how much force is just right in this particular situation.. Just whack the guy until he stops moving. The big question i think is the initial response to a situation, and whether it requires force at all. Once you cross that line effectiveness is more important than efficiency.

[CAllen]

The below link is an article about how police determine use of force in Ontario, and references an incident in which a police officer discharged his weapon at a driver that was trying to run him down.

http://westniagaranews.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2821658

This image is the Use of Force Wheel used by all police forces in Ontario, and taught at the Alymer Ontario Police College.

http://www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/report/P1_html/images/05-RevisedIncidentManagement.jpg

I just want to remind you that my original comment and this post are directed at the criticism of use of force by police here in Ontario, and the belief that the Russian police do a better job. On that point I disagree, because I think that the Use of Force Wheel is highly effective in dealing with violent situations. It also very naive to believe that a violent suspect can be dealt with using no force. Two cases in point that we all owe the police officers involved a huge debt of thanks for making the right decisions on:

http://www.siu.on.ca/siu_publications_documentation_detail61ac.html?id=620

- For the record, these two officers involved in this shooting had less than 2 years experience on the job between them. They were the officers that testified at the Coroner's Inquest I mentioned in my first post.

http://www.siu.on.ca/siu_publications_documentation_detailb42d.html?id=378

- This incident should need no comment.

I'm not saying our police are perfect, but I believe your criticism of them is unwarranted, and based upon ignorance of how they actually do their jobs, as opposed to reality. Hence my comment about learning about the Use of Force Wheel before making critical statements. In other words, know what you're talking about before you publicly criticize a group that you may have to depend on to save your life someday.

[max attack]

Hey Darcy,

You ever attended any kind of seminar or training on the "Use of Force Wheel" that our police services here in Ontario use? I sat through a 2 hour presentation as part of a Coroner's Inquest on use of force by police, and I learned a GREAT DEAL about how they approach these types of situations here. Believe me, it is nothing like what you just described above. It's a VERY well thought out, logical sequence of events designed to use the least amount of force possible to subdue a suspect in a violent situation. The last thing on a police officer's mind is a lawsuit. The first thing on his/her mind is public safety. It might not hurt to learn a little bit about how police operate here before commenting on their performance of their jobs.

Oh yeah, I work for a Criminal Lawyer, so I'm not biased towards the police at all. I just happen to understand how they are supposed to use force in this province.



But Darcy never made a single reference to how the police do their job here so???

[thgear]

I'm not saying our police are perfect, but I believe your criticism of them is unwarranted, and based upon ignorance of how they actually do their jobs, as opposed to reality. Hence my comment about learning about the Use of Force Wheel before making critical statements. In other words, know what you're talking about before you publicly criticize a group that you may have to depend on to save your life someday.

No one in this thread criticised Oontario police. :confused:

[CAllen]

Then I must have been confused by what what was meant below, because I thought Darcy was at claiming that our laws and the functioning of our justice system doesn't work. I believe that Darcy's implication was that justice is better in Russia because the police are able to indiscriminately beat a guy, but not so here. I disagreed with that view of what police here are able to do. The Use of Force Wheel is one of the best tools for police, and it makes our system work BETTER in my view.

I realize we have tied the hands of our police quite often (particularly via the Charter), but I don't agree that our system is entirely criminal oriented and does nothing for victims or their rights.

so let's see what would happen over here in Canada if that happened...the guilty party would then sue everyone around him who beat him, charge the police with some BS crap, get off of his charges, then sell a book and do a miniseries about his experience.

They do have justice right over there...we need less crap laws which let the offender have more rights than the victims. Enough pandering to the special interest groups, too. And then people complain about use of tazer's...would you rather survive a tazer or be dead?

but i digress...nice post.

darcy