2012 Autoslalom Rules and Regulations

[AndrewR]

And they are official.

Just released by the good folks at SCCA 2012's rules and regulations, as decided by your Club's Autoslalom Ambassadors.

Now, We will have one additional class, that will be defined by a bulletin to be added.

Feel free to start classing your car now!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/591992/2012_Solo_Rules_February_reduced.pdf

[EricB]

Hi Anrew: At the Fall CASC-OR mtgs, you thought that the "Vintage Rules" that were in our former Regional Rules for pre-70 cars (most in H Stock) could still be incorporated into our version of the SCCA rules. Is that still true?

[sjd]

Hi Anrew: At the Fall CASC-OR mtgs, you thought that the "Vintage Rules" that were in our former Regional Rules for pre-70 cars (most in H Stock) could still be incorporated into our version of the SCCA rules. Is that still true?

I think the SCCA rules are kinder to vintage cars than our old ruleset was since there are no "prep points" to play with. As an example, you can add a front or rear sway bar under stock rules and not be limited by mods under the prep point system.

[Travis]

Interesting:
Looks like the SCCA rules allow our M2000 helmets all the way until M2015 comes out.

[Andrew_Geier]

Hello! I saw that the cars can be approved, (if one's not sure about the legality of a part in a class) through talking to the SCCA. Can anyone help me find where that is again?

Also, what sort of license does one need? An SCCA competition license and a valid (government) driver's license?

[finboy]

so for re-runs.. no penalties are carried over like in the past.. correct?

page 55

7.4 RERUNS
Reruns will be granted only for timing failure, object on the course, red flag, or other situations at the discretion of the Chief Steward and will not be given because of mechanical or other failure of the competitor’s car. A minimum of five (5) minutes must have elapsed before a competi- tor may take a rerun.
Pylon penalties are not carried over to the rerun. A DNF on a run for which a rerun would have been given shall stand and no reruns shall be given.
In the case in which a competitor is red-flagged or stops for a displaced or downed cone on the course, the competitor may continue slowly through the remainder of the course or may exit the course directly and will be granted a rerun if appropriate. Failure to exit the remainder of the course at an appropriately reduced speed (generally 79-80% of compe- tition speed) will result in a DNF for that run. It is important to clear the course in a timely manner in order to avoid impeding the progress of the car following and ensure the event remains on schedule.

[finboy]

part II question.. so regional clubs now have to follow this.. right?

(i think last year it was something like sections 1-4 in the ontario regional rule book)



1. SOlO® EVENTS
1.1 MANDATORY PROVISIONS
Sections 1 (except 1.5), 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, 3.1, 3.3 (except 3.3.3.A), 3.6, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.11, 4.13, 4.14, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, and 5.11 are mandatory in all SCCA® Solo® Events that an SCCA® Region solely or jointly organizes, conducts, sanctions or otherwise cooper- ates as a Region in organizing. The titles of mandatory sections are underlined herein. At events where kart classes (KM, JA, JB, JC) are offered, Sections 2.7 and 2.8 are mandatory. Vehicle classifications are not mandatory. Regions should use classing structures which are best for the development of their programs. However, Regions may not allow faster karts per age group than those already described in Section 19. National vehicle classifications are located in Appendix A of these rules. Suggested optional classes and rules are located in Appendixes A, G, and H. The entire SCCA® Solo® Rules are mandatory for SCCA® Na- tional Solo® Events. Additional rules governing the SCCA® ProSolo® National Series are in Section 20.

[13inches]

Last year minor passengers aged 9 and up were allowed, according to the 2011 CASC-OR Autoslalom rulebook:
3.6.10 Passengers
Non minor passengers may be carried anytime provided they have read & signed the appropriate
waivers. Minors (14 years of age & under) can ride as a passenger but are subject to the following
requirements;
i. May ride in competition, in lapping or fun runs.
ii. The helmet and seatbelt must both fit the minor correctly
iii. The seatbelt must comply with the Solo II regulations (see Section 5.3)
iv. Provided they have the consent of the organizer and they and their Parent/Guardian have signed
the Underage Waiver (a different waiver than for adults). Minors must be at least 9 years old to
ride and must comply to the manufacturer’s suggested guidelines as far as the minimum
weight/height for cars equipped with air bags.



The 2012 SCCA rule book does not have this same provision
D. A passenger is allowed provided he/she:
1. is no younger than twelve (12) years old;
Section 1 — 25
2. is in a vehicle which has passed tech inspection;
3. is wearing a properly fitted seat belt and a properly fitted helmet;
4. has completed and signed the required participant waiver(s), including
parents/guardians as appropriate.

The 2012 ASN one still has 14 and up as the requirement.
4.2. Underage Drivers
Participants (drivers or passengers) under the age of majority for the province in which
the event is taking place must also present both a completed Parental Consent Waiver
and a Minor Participant Waiver at event registration.
In addition, minors participating as passengers must:
a) Be at least 14 years old;
b) Be in a vehicle being driven by their parent or guardian;


Which rule are the clubs supposed to abide by this year?

[finboy]

being a big change from CASC-ON rules to full SCCA

why wouldn't the classes be adpoted, and leave the rules as they were

[sjd]

being a big change from CASC-ON rules to full SCCA

why wouldn't the classes be adpoted, and leave the rules as they were

It was my understanding that we are adopting classing only.

[darcyw]

Didn't know where to post this but...can we register online for the series?

thanks

darcy

[Andrew_Geier]

Didn't know where to post this but...can we register online for the series?

thanks

darcy

I know you can for the Twin Lakes Motor Club (TLMC.) I imagine that most other clubs will let you. It's most likely under the schedules for the different clubs.

[elementZ]

I dont think you can register online. But you can print out the form, and have it filled out before the event.

[Sober99]

Would this sway bar be legal in stock???

http://www.progressauto.com/ecom/download/62.1001.pdf

[Snizzoop]

I just happened to be flipping through Honda-Tech earlier today, and came across a sway bar discussion. They were taking about putting a 32mm (hollow) ASR bar on an ITR. The part of the discussion that relates to this is that they said it shouldn't tear out of the ITR subframe, but it would any other Integra/Civic.

From that discussion, I took it as though you can't do anything in stock class to reinforce the subframe. To me, it looks like that bar comes with/requires some extra bracing, and therefore is probably not stock legal.

[yangsui]

Would this sway bar be legal in stock???

http://www.progressauto.com/ecom/download/62.1001.pdf

I just happened to be flipping through Honda-Tech earlier today, and came across a sway bar discussion. They were taking about putting a 32mm (hollow) ASR bar on an ITR. The part of the discussion that relates to this is that they said it shouldn't tear out of the ITR subframe, but it would any other Integra/Civic.

From that discussion, I took it as though you can't do anything in stock class to reinforce the subframe. To me, it looks like that bar comes with/requires some extra bracing, and therefore is probably not stock legal.

Hmm, it would take quite a sore loser to protest this no?

[1337trix]

lol, wouldnt it be you who would be protesting? :)

[Saj5DJ]

lol, wouldnt it be you who would be protesting? :)

Yang IS a bit of a sore loser ;)

He only gets mad at himself and his steering wheel though. Watch the YouTube vids with the mild mannered Yang turning the air blue when he clips a cone!
:D

[Sober99]

The bar mounts to the control arm pivot bolt and the upper hole for the existing sway bar. The rules say you can drill and enlarge holes to accommodate substitution / addition of the sway bar. My concern is the end links connect to the strut mount with a new bracket which is not the stock mounting location. The rule is very gray and I don’t want to waste $300.

[AndrewR]

13.7 ANTI-ROLL (SWAY) BARS
A. Substitution, addition, or removal of a single anti-roll bar and supporting hardware (brackets, end links, bushings,
etc.) is permitted.
B. Substitution, addition, or removal of an anti-roll bar may serve no other purpose than that of an anti-roll bar.
C. The use of any bushing material is permitted. A bushing may be implemented as a bearing.
D. No modification to the body, frame, or other components to accommodate anti-roll bar addition or substitution
is allowed except for the drilling of holes for mounting bolts. Non-standard lateral members which connect
between the brackets for the bar are not permitted.


I would read this as you can replace/add ARB, endlinks, and brackets in factory locations.

How different from stock would this be?

[AndrewR]

The bar mounts to the control arm pivot bolt and the upper hole for the existing sway bar. The rules say you can drill and enlarge holes to accommodate substitution / addition of the sway bar. My concern is the end links connect to the strut mount with a new bracket which is not the stock mounting location. The rule is very gray and I don’t want to waste $300.

Generally speaking with the SCCA Rules, if it does not specifically mention it, is is not permitted.

[1337trix]

if the bracket mounts to the stock location, and then you mount to the bracket then it looks like its legal

from A - Substitution, addition, or removal of a single anti-roll bar and supporting hardware (brackets, end links, bushings,
etc.) is permitted.

since it specifically says brackets, you're in the clear

[AndrewR]

if the bracket mounts to the stock location, and then you mount to the bracket then it looks like its legal

from A - Substitution, addition, or removal of a single anti-roll bar and supporting hardware (brackets, end links, bushings,
etc.) is permitted.

since it specifically says brackets, you're in the clear

I believe it refers to stock brackets, ie. to support a car without a sway.

I think it comes down to how different the "bracket" is to stock.

[1337trix]

grey as hell :)

[Snizzoop]

The bracket he is referring to does not exist on a stock Civic, and it in turn mounts the endlinks to a non-stock location.

[1337trix]

Substitution, addition, or removal of a single anti-roll bar and supporting hardware (brackets, end links, bushings,
etc.) is permitted.\


this says you can add a single sway bar and its supporting brackets? so its not legal only because it doesnt say that you change the mounting locations?


beh, i'll stay out of it

[AndrewR]

Substitution, addition, or removal of a single anti-roll bar and supporting hardware (brackets, end links, bushings,
etc.) is permitted.\


this says you can add a single sway bar and its supporting brackets? so its not legal only because it doesnt say that you change the mounting locations?


beh, i'll stay out of it

I believe it says that you can install a sway bar where one does not exist using the stock hardware. I am waiting for clarification on what the non-stock brackets do

[1337trix]

this probably isnt the thread but people seem to be checking here

I'm planning on running in EP on sunday, i'm a proper DSP car but i'd taken out the interior (staight to prepared)

the Matrix isnt listed under anything past Street Prepared - obviously i'm the only clown who would prepare it this way

would EP be appropriate since this is where the corolla/celica 2wd non turbo are placed? or would i have to fit in elsewhere only because the Matrix isnt listed

[AndrewR]

Would this sway bar be legal in stock???

http://www.progressauto.com/ecom/download/62.1001.pdf


One Sway Bar and associated hardware are "free" You are allowed to install or modify mounting points as long as it serves no other purpose. - ie Reinforcement.

[Marsh]

I just happened to be flipping through Honda-Tech earlier today, and came across a sway bar discussion. They were taking about putting a 32mm (hollow) ASR bar on an ITR. The part of the discussion that relates to this is that they said it shouldn't tear out of the ITR subframe, but it would any other Integra/Civic.

From that discussion, I took it as though you can't do anything in stock class to reinforce the subframe. To me, it looks like that bar comes with/requires some extra bracing, and therefore is probably not stock legal.

There are very clear SCCA bulletins on this subject. They don't update the rule book with everything from the bulletins. But the ruling is that anything goes with the brackets so long as they bolt to completely stock (un strengthened) locations and don't violate the subframe connector rules (a one piece bracket that connects to more than one stock bracket location is a subframe connector and illegal in stock, and potentially illegal in SP).

To give you an example stock miata brackets look like this:
http://www.swaptastic.net/images/bf_sway_1.JPG

These much beefier aftermarket brackets are perfectly stock legal (so long as your changing the bar they attach):
http://www.good-win-racing.com/miata/images/items/900-189_1.jpg

This rear mount for a Honda Civic that never had a rear bar isn't legal because it connects to two locations and is thus a sub-frame connector.
http://importnut.net/thehatch/suspensionupgrade/civic-work_22.JPG

[darcyw]

For the canadian SiR which came with the rear bar, the rules- to me- seem to say its a legal modification to put in a larger sway bar with associated brackets...however, some bars come with an additional lower bar connecting the two- comptech and ST bars on the 99/00 SiR have this design- and likely aren't legal.

the endlinks on your proposed bar mount to the stock locations.

see you all in STR sunday.

darcy

[Snizzoop]

There are very clear SCCA bulletins on this subject. They don't update the rule book with everything from the bulletins. But the ruling is that anything goes with the brackets so long as they bolt to completely stock (un strengthened) locations and don't violate the subframe connector rules (a one piece bracket that connects to more than one stock bracket location is a subframe connector and illegal in stock, and potentially illegal in SP).

To give you an example stock miata brackets look like this:
http://www.swaptastic.net/images/bf_sway_1.JPG

These much beefier aftermarket brackets are perfectly stock legal (so long as your changing the bar they attach):
http://www.good-win-racing.com/miata/images/items/900-189_1.jpg

This rear mount for a Honda Civic that never had a rear bar isn't legal because it connects to two locations and is thus a sub-frame connector.

Which rear mount?

Regardless, I promise I won't be the one to protest ANYONE. I'm just there to drive.

[Sober99]

Sooo what I am what I am gathering from the higher powers at be is that the general consensus is that as long as it only acts only as a sway bar and is installed in manner which doesn't not modify the suspension or sub-frame, I'm good to go!:D

[Marsh]

Which rear mount?

Regardless, I promise I won't be the one to protest ANYONE. I'm just there to drive.

Oops, missed an image, it's there now.