Red Lights....

[Anamaria]

We're all good responsible drivers.... but is good to know when and where you're being watched... ;)

The following is the list of the intersections in Toronto where you'll currently find one of the rotating cameras.
The cameras are designed to catch anyone who runs a red light, putting others at risk. A picture of the car and its plate is examined, and if found to be in violation of the law, a motorist receives a ticket in the mail for $190 so drive safely and leave early if you need to get some where so you don't have to rush.

> Finch Ave & Kipling Ave
> Dixon Rd & Islington Ave
> Dixon Rd & Martin Grove Rd
> Eglinton Ave & Martin Grove Rd
> The Queensway & Royal York Rd
> Finch Ave & Weston Rd
> Finch Ave & Jane St
> Dufferin St & Steeles Ave
> Allen Rd & Sheppard Ave
> Bathurst St & Finch Ave
> Weston Rd & Lawrence Ave
> Dundas St & Keele St
> Dufferin St & Eglinton Ave
> Dufferin St & St Clair Ave
> Yonge St & Eglinton Ave
> Yonge St & York Mills Rd
> Dufferin St & Bloor St
> Bloor St & Bathurst St
> University Ave & Gerrard St
> Yonge St Steeles Ave
> Yonge St Finch Ave
> Finch Ave & Don Mills Rd
> Eglinton Ave & Don Mills Rd
> Yonge St & Wellesley St
> Lakeshore Blvd E/B & Yonge St
> Yonge St & Richmond St
> Danforth Ave & Broadview Ave
> St Clair & Victoria Park Ave
> Lawrence Ave & Victoria Park Ave
> Eglinton Ave & Pharmacy Ave
> Eglinton Ave & Markham Rd
> Lawrence Ave & Warden Ave
> Ellesmere Rd & Brimley Rd
> Ellesmere Rd & Markham Rd
> Lawrence Ave & Markham Rd
> Steeles Ave & Warden Ave
> Brimley Rd & Huntingwood Dr
> Kingston Rd & Morningside Ave

[gatherer]

hmmm Finch seems to be a popular road ....

[haniforama]

Didn't the occurence of rear-enders increase due to the addition of cameras?

I say shorten the yellows down to 1/3 what they are and we'll see how many people run them...

Hanif

[ScotcH]

Originally posted by haniforama
Didn't the occurence of rear-enders increase due to the addition of cameras?

I say shorten the yellows down to 1/3 what they are and we'll see how many people run them...

Hanif

Better yet, make the delay random, between 0 and 2 sec! Sure, we'll get a few crashes for a while, but people will learn, and soon won't run them at all! :)

[Logan]

It's the delay after the red on the green in the other direction that gets people thinking they have time to go.
Kingston has the traffic lights chance at the same time.
As soon as the yellow becomes red, the red for the other direction becomes green.
I don't like the 2 second delay, but I don't run reds anyway.

[finboy]

TFB!!

they should be at every intersection

Running reds has nothing to do with anything but people being in a rush.

its pathetic.. i've seen people waiting to make a left in an intersection and dying to make the turn.. but because of these red light runners, end up going when the other direction is GREEN

they end up pissing off the other drivers because they're stuck waiting for the redlight runners to clear.

Everytime I'm at an intersection and the light is turning yellow,
i gas the car to make it look like i'm going to make the left.

the hood lifts, and you should see the approaching drivers face
in most cases.. they end up braking, and stopping for the yellow

it works!!

driving in toronto traffic is brutal, you never know how bad it is..
untill you move a way for a while and come back.


(don't miss it at all)

[Lafora]

Originally posted by Logan
It's the delay after the red on the green in the other direction that gets people thinking they have time to go.
Kingston has the traffic lights chance at the same time.
As soon as the yellow becomes red, the red for the other direction becomes green.
I don't like the 2 second delay, but I don't run reds anyway.

i believe that's only for the smaller streets.

didn't see that happening on princess street in the downtown area.

but on the streets near residential areas, that's exactly what happens. :)

[ScotcH]

Originally posted by Logan
It's the delay after the red on the green in the other direction that gets people thinking they have time to go.
Kingston has the traffic lights chance at the same time.
As soon as the yellow becomes red, the red for the other direction becomes green.
I don't like the 2 second delay, but I don't run reds anyway.

So is Montreal!

[Steven Scala]

So is Montreal!

Yeah, and considering their no-rights-on-reds and overuse of single-direction greens, I'd say it's the one thing they've done right out there.

SS

[MitS]

I always shake my head when I come to a stop as a light goes red and somebody who was 3 car lengths behind me goes flying through. The more cameras the better.

[haniforama]

If you get a red-light ticket, you have to install a set of Williams pads... THAT makes sense!

[John Powell]

haniforamaIf you get a red-light ticket, you have to install a set of Williams pads... THAT makes sense!
That would help their cars, but what about their brains? :confused:

[wpfri]

Originally posted by haniforama
If you get a red-light ticket, you have to install a set of Williams pads... THAT makes sense!

Thanks for the plug.

William

[haniforama]

I got pretty angry at my dad once for running a red and his answer was that he didn't think the van could stop in time...

I demonstrated otherwise...

If people know they have good brakes, I hope they'd use them... I know I do :)

[rmicroys]

No everybody has good brakes. There are a lot of people with really crappy arsed cars out there. When I do a stoppie in my Jetta (a new 2004.5 Jetta GLI with OEM 12.3" front brakes, vented 11" rears) - I always, ALWAYS check my rear view mirror before throwing out the anchor. In the old Type-R (RIP) and Hawk HP+ pads, I was rudely surprised a couple of times when people took to the shoulder to not rear end me when I stopped in what I considered a safe distance and with appropriate distance between me and the car behind me - NOT. Never trust ANYBODY else's brakes/tires. They probably weren't paying attention, but still - after that, always check the mirrors and watch exactly those other morons are up to.

[Suzie]

When I'm driving the mom-mobile, I find that the suspension is such that, even if I can stop in time theoretically, it can really fling us around inside. Er, not to mention all the crap that comes with lugging two kids around everywhere - let's say, it's not like an autox where all loose items have been secured or removed :eek:

Suzie

[Crusher45]

Originally posted by Suzie
When I'm driving the mom-mobile, I find that the suspension is such that, even if I can stop in time theoretically, it can really fling us around inside. Er, not to mention all the crap that comes with lugging two kids around everywhere - let's say, it's not like an autox where all loose items have been secured or removed :eek:

Suzie

Well maybe if you weren't going so fast then things wouldn't get flung around. When was the last time someone did 60k in a 60k zone?

I check on my street last week with a radar gun, I am in a 50k zone due to a school and kids (out for summer break, yes I know). The slowest someone was going was 61k the fastest? 91k. So Durham Regional got my list with lisence plate numbers and time of day.

If you want to make everyone stop for a red light then turn every intersection into a 4-way stop sign.

[slucas]

Traffic circles work great once you get used to them:D

[rmicroys]

Originally posted by Crusher45
Well maybe if you weren't going so fast then things wouldn't get flung around. When was the last time someone did 60k in a 60k zone?

Like anybody in a minivan is ever doing the speed limit! Of all vehicles that SHOULD be doing the speed limit - those are the ones!

[Suzie]

Originally posted by Crusher45
Well maybe if you weren't going so fast then things wouldn't get flung around. When was the last time someone did 60k in a 60k zone?


Yes, if I went 30km/h everywhere, nothing would get tossed around.

I'm sure you would all love to see a whole bunch of vehicles driving 30km/h in all the 60 zones :rolleyes:

Oh, and just for reference, 9 times out of 10, I'm within a couple of kms of the speed limit when in the city...where the stop lights are.

Suzie

[inoverdrive]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Crusher45


I check on my street last week with a radar gun, I am in a 50k zone due to a school and kids (out for summer break, yes I know). The slowest someone was going was 61k the fastest? 91k. So Durham Regional got my list with lisence plate numbers and time of day.

Hey Crusher, why don't you get a job !!

before something run's over you with your gun!!

[CobraStang]

Originally posted by inoverdrive
Hey Crusher, why don't you get a job !!

before something run's over you with your gun!! I thought Crusher's data was interesting.

[inoverdrive]

Originally posted by CobraStang
I thought Crusher's data was interesting.

Actually, Crusher is an interesting guy!!
However, he is not a friend to CASCAR driver's, because of his radar unit!!

[haniforama]

I think the issue comes down to discipline.

I've done a lot of driving in Scotland recently, and can safely say that the drivers there are far superior to one's in Ontario simply because they are more disciplined.

When merging onto the Motorway, the driver's (who by the way are in the slow lane), will immediately change into the passing lane and/or slow down to let you in.

Driver's drive in the slow lane and ONLY use the passing lane for just that - passing.

They stop when the lights turn yellow, not 2 seconds after the red, pay attention to the road, start moving when the lights go green, etc, etc, etc.

I can only remember one occasion where i've reached for the horn (in Scotland) and based on my rental car contracts, i've racked up approx 16-17000kms. I'm tempted to use my horn here at least once a week (400-500 kms).

It starts with driver training.

BTW: I think that traffic circles rule, and stop signs at smaller intersections should be converted to yields - but this requires discipline on the driver's part not to abuse it.

Hanif

[Crusher45]

Yes I agree Scotland drivers are better when there is only 4 vehicles, a donkey cart and a few sheep on the road. They are more courtious than here but not better. They just don't have the number of vehicles on the motorways as we do. They don't run red lights because there aren't any, just roundabouts.

Kenny,

Unfortunately my radar gun was sold to CASCAR as I cannot make this weeks race. I will be back however at Kawartha Downs on the 18th. Yes they all hate me.

:( :( :( :( :(

[haniforama]

I was in a city of 1/2 Million people, Edinburgh. Trust me, the roads are packed...