The start of ultimate honda destruction.....

[ADAM]

So the next phase of the honda domination has begun.....

Since trying to keep a 400bhp turbo 4cyl going has been a real pain in the ass....I have accepted that the old tradition of taking a small car and shoving a huge engine into it ...is the way to go...

If shelby car do it with little british cars...well hell....why not do it with somewhat modern japanese cars....


A BIG thanks to eric, for dropping off a chevy 350block, heads and oil pan...for me to use as a pre fab size exploration engine. so that i can see how well a 350 will fit into the engine bay....

this is the first start in total Honda domination....err shall i say a huge beating on the track...

ha ha ha ha ha

[haniforama]

Hmmm - is that an allowable engine swap?!? :D

I call dibs on taking it around the track for a few laps!

Hanif

[Greg F]

So I guess you have parts to sell then, like an AFC?

Edit: Hmm, or have you already started thinking about turbocharging the V8 to break the 1000 hp mark?

[tanney]

The start of ultimate honda destruction..... Whatever you think.... I've seen you drive Adam!!!!:cool:

[Dave]

don't worry folks, Adam will find a way to make his big V8 unreliable too, probably by trying to extract way too much power out of it.

[RacerRick]

Ummm...the mullety vehicle of Ultimate Honda Destruction has already been built.

Too bad Adam late to the party!

[Dave]

Rick, the Mullet has to actually make it to an event before it can destroy any Hondas, so Adam is still in the running!

[RacerRick]

It runs and sorta drives now...I just need to hook up the exhaust, replace the windshield, and fiddle with some electrical issues.

It will be out next year definately...

[AirCooln]

Import handling with domestic horsepower. Sounds wicked. Although Shelby's first attempt at a bigger motor then the 289 was an ill handeling pig by his own admission. Should be a neat project.

I'll bet the Nissan will be the only car to lift its left front wheel off the ground in the straights! ;)

[Red Barchetta]

A friend of mine mentioned back in the Sixties he knew a guy who put a 283 Chevy V-8 into a Bugeye Sprite!! That would've been a wild ride!:cool:

[CobraStang]

Originally posted by ADAM
So the next phase of the honda domination has begun.... Tired of beating up on the Corvettes, huh? :)

[RacerRick]

I think he got sick of his car acting like it was british....

[njansenv]

Originally posted by Red Barchetta
A friend of mine mentioned back in the Sixties he knew a guy who put a 283 Chevy V-8 into a Bugeye Sprite!! That would've been a wild ride!:cool:

I've seen pics of a Bugeye with a 426 Hemi. Yes, a REAL hemi!

Scary. The headers would rub the front tires (tyres?;) ) at full lock. There's pics on the Net somewhere...can't seem to find them. Big engine+little car is ALWAYS a fun combination. Hopefully, your's will be fast too.:cool:



EDIT: FOUND IT. I was wrong about the details.
link: Crazy Bugeye.. (http://www.ntahc.org/modifiedhealeys/Photos/126Marian/Marian.htm)

Neat link: http://britishv8.org/swaps/examples.htm

Sorry for the OT....

[AirCooln]

What?!?!? Hey!!...You'll eat those words when a certain british car takes down a big old lumbering V8 mullet next year.

oh oh. Smack talk has started already.

[max attack]

I still find it funny that Adam needed to go and boost a 2.4ltr 4cyl to try and beat the poor little 1600-2000cc hondas,and now wants to add nearly 3 times the displacement of the hondas(the biggest of the hondas) in his attempts.
Why not try a honda and be done with it?.I know the fwd answer,buy a used S2000-it's way cheaper than what you have in the 240 already.:)

[haniforama]

I thought I'd make Adam's transfer to Honda as easy as possible and actually offered a ride in my "truck-powered" Civic at the end of last season :D I'm not sure why he declined...

[Dave]

don't worry guys, at one point this summer Adam's spirits were so crushed that he actually started to talk about building "something like Hanif's car". We're winning the war! :p

[Marsh]

I can't believe that 4 cylinder hondas are the only thing bench racers around here are willing to shoot off about, and even then it's mostly talk. As a long time Nissan fan, I quite frankly find it shamefull.

[Dave]

Marsh, time for you to get a 350Z and take the cockyracingguy.com thing to a whole new level!

[Marsh]

The 350Z has been evaluated and rejected. My boss has a Vortec equiped 350Z. It's fast, but I can make something faster.

[RacerRick]

You have to make it all the way around the track to beat the mullet!

Get the deck planed on that mini motor and add a few more head bolts and then come back :)

V8's have torque. Something alien to the honda crowd.

[kmorris]

Frankly, anything over 1300cc seems rather bloated....

[max attack]

Well at least Adam isn't on the warpath to totally crush all 1600cc rwd toyota corollas with his mega dollar boosted(or mega displacement swap) 240!.
Oh wait there's only really one of those out and about and it outran the 240 at the mosport shootout.Then again the corolla lays about 98hp to the wheels and it was damp and cold so I guess it wasn't a fair fight.;)

I personally wouldn't even consider adding that much cast iron on the nose of car intended to handle,you'll spend another season trying to get the balance right-and lose once again to the light and nimple hondas.

Don't worry Marsh,as far as bench racers shooting off about beating hondas go-it's just one bench racer making all the noise!.:rolleyes:

[sjagman]

WELL WELL.. I will be out next season with some V8 power to go Honda hunting with (on the bigger tracks) I am realistic....;-)

ADAM go with a nice V6 buick turbo or turbo 6 form a NISSAN 300ZX!! and it still is Nisan and will be lighter too!!! that way you don't have to run some INSANE boost number to make power!!!

have fun

Steve

[njansenv]

Thing is, the Ford 302 with aluminum heads is probably lighter/roughly the same weight compared to the Nissan twin turbo (w/turbos+included miscellania). I'd probably put money on the fact that it's lighter than the old iron 3.8 Buick engine w/turbo etc...

While I wouldn't call myself a v8boi or whatever, the 302 offers a lot of power/weight, which is why the Miata folks tend to stick with it. It barely weighs more than the stock Miata 1.8!

The Chev 350 offers more power/tq, but is significantly bigger and heavier...

Nathan

[RacerRick]

I was telling adam that the 302 was his best bet. The only weigh about 420lbs for an all iron one, without any accessories.

The 350 is anbout 480lbs.

I have said before, his car would be killer with a Boss 302 style motor. The canted valve cleveland heads flow a ton of air, and he is going to be making headers anyways. Either that or a set of aluminum heads would make it a under 400 lb motor.

Kinda funny how the V8 is actually lighter the stock 4cyl with triple the power. I image it will be signifigantly lighter than his current turbo setup.

[sjagman]

I concur with Rick, the 302 is a nice and small package. The Boss 302/Cleveland 4V heads have HUGE valves and ports no power until well up into the rev range.

A REAL nice combo for more torque and still plenty of air flow are 2V Cleveland heads, real cheap and plentyful and there is an aftermarket 4 barrel manifold for this transplant. The 2V Cleveland heads have a bit smaller port and valves but still signifcantly bigger that the stock 302 WIndsor heads.

Aand easy work on and tune, distributor is in the front!!

[Dave]

So what's a realistic and reliable horsepower number out of a well built Boss 302? I'd really like to see Adam do something reasonable and even touch restrained by using a nice lightweight but still powerful V8 package like you guys are suggesting with the 302.

[sjagman]

400+ reliably

[RacerRick]

With good crank and rods...should be good for a reliable 450 HP with a solid flat tappet camshaft. It will redline about 8000rpm.

5L blocks and cranks are on borrowed time at 500hp, but early 302 blocks and cranks are stronger. A real Boss 302 block is the best factory block. A SVO block is good for 2000hp :)

The earlier the 302 the better. In the mid 70's they drastically lowered the nickle content in the blocks to save money. The best iron is in the 5L blocks, but they are a lightweight design and weak. The 5L blocks like to split the mains to the cam bores.

500hp is about the limit for a factory block.

The factory cranks are almost all cast, only the Boss 302 was forged. The factory 5L cranks use a 50oz imbalance and tend to break. The earlier 302 cranks with the 28ox imbalance are much better.

[ADAM]

i cant see the 350 weighing in at much more than my current engine set up....

it might be in the 30-50lb heavier range...which is not enough to get me worried...


i dont want to go 302...350 has tons of power potential,and lots of neat ready to go crate motors that are turn key...

this will be for 2006 since the funds for this will be large....i will buy the motor and tranny and go from there

[Marsh]

Originally posted by kmorris
Frankly, anything over 1300cc seems rather bloated....

To Quote Frasier "I like way his brain works."

[miataboi]

Originally posted by Marsh
To Quote Frasier "I like way his brain works."

For once in your life... you have a big-one.... and now you're denouncing it???

Bizzarre...
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