1989 Nissan BNR32 Skyline vs. PIP POINTS

[Justin]

Hello, been a while since I've posted on here, so I figured I would make my "come-back" post something worth while.

Anywho, I recently acquired a 1989 Nissan Skyline GTR (BNR32) and wish to begin it's road racing career next season. However, I don't know what category it would be tossed in with? Would it simply go by vehicle weight + HP + drivetrain considerations? (Dave already told me how it would be considered but it has completely slipped my mind)

Aside from that, I think I can figure out the PIP points on my own; however, if anyone is feeling generous, feel free to help out.

Here is what it has:

2.6 Liter Inline-6
Twin Turbo (Stock T28s - ceramic)
ATESSA-ETS (Computer controlled Front/Rear torque distribution)
3200lbs (Approx.)
300HP (Approx, need to get it dyno'd)

Aftermarket Intercooler
Twin Plate Clutch
Aftermarket Exhaust (Downpipe-Back I think)
Boost Controller (If that counts)
Blow-off Valve (If that counts)
TEIN Type HR Suspension

Annnd, I think that about wraps it up.

I definately want a baffle plate for the oil pan before it sees a track, so that MIGHT affect it (I just printed the rule book and am reading it now)

Thanks in advance!

[ADAM]

neat a skyline......

1=get best brakes you can can...
2=get best cooling/intercooler you can

[RacerRick]

Hey Justin - did you get all the paperwork done? Is is licenced yet?

It is a sweet looking car. By the way - PM me, I would like to talk to you about something. I believe Randy already mentioned it to you.

[Dave]

Wow, a Skyline! Way cool :)

Justin, we'd need the exact factory rated curb weight and horsepower to enter it into the classification spreadsheet. If you can't find this info from a reliable source, then you'd have to get the car weighed in full race trim (see rulebook for a definition of this in section 6.4) and supply us with a dyno plot for the horsepower. We'd then need to assign it a suspension rating (which I would imagine to be in the 70% range given the ATESSA system) at which point we'd have all the data needed to calculate a starting class. At that point all you'd need to do is add on the PIPs for the mods you've listed (baffling the oil pan is a free mod) and you'd have a final classification.

Just to give you an idea of where the car may end up, using 3200 lbs, 300 hp, and 70% suspension rating, the car has a starting PI of 79.7%, which puts it at the very top of GT1. Add to this 3 PIPs for the intercooler, 1 PIP for the exhaust, 3 PIPs for the boost controller, and 6 PIPs for the Tein HR suspension (add 1 more PIP if you're running non-stock alignment settings). That's 13 PIPs total, which moves you up to 92.7% in SGT1 (with 2 PIPs to spend before you'd move up another class).
The BOV and clutch are free mods.

[Justin]

Thanks for the help Dave, I guess I'm going to have to get really efficient on the track in order to hold my own next season.

I'm going to take the car to Four Star Motorsports for a dyno, and I will either have the car weighed, or get the factory weight (it's on the de-registration papers)

Eric, yes it finally IS legal, all the paperwork is done (FINALLY).
I don't have plates for it yet because it still needs an e-test. Seems like only the North Brampton MTO knows what they are doing. But yeah, after all the delays, problems, and screw ups... it's finally legitimate. I sent you a PM too btw.

Adam, I definately need to upgrade the brakes, stock breaks are horrible on that thing.

Thanks again for the help everyone. Hope to see you out on the track next season!

[RacerRick]

You can come out with me next season - I am going to be running the Mullet in Solo1. I might be picking up a ramp truck to haul the mullet around on ;)

It looks like I will be a couple of classes lower than you in GT2 or GT1.

[ADAM]

whoo whoo..we could have a skyline vs 240sx battle in SGT1 next year for a few races...very cool

[Cheers!]

Etest on the skyline should be easy... It's a 4wd car so take it to canadian tire, they can't test 4wd dynos at 40 kph so they will just test idle and a 3000 rpm rev test and that's it. BTW any pics?

[Justin]

Originally posted by Cheers!
Etest on the skyline should be easy... It's a 4wd car so take it to canadian tire, they can't test 4wd dynos at 40 kph so they will just test idle and a 3000 rpm rev test and that's it. BTW any pics?

Yeah I'm quite happy for that. If it passed Japanese emissions it should pass Canadian even if they DID have it on a dyno.

[Dave]

got any pics of the car, Justin? I'd love to see what it looks like :)

[wpfri]

There is one of these in the Autotrader this week for 8,000 dollars or so.Looks like a wide bodied 240 with Corvette or 308 taillights.I do not think this is 4 wheel drive.the ad does not say.

William

[Justin]

I have some pics on my CarDomain page (Yes I was actually bored enough to make one).

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/738140

And my friend hosts some for me at:

http://iquaco.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=17

Enjoy.

Oh and since I already started one thread, I might as well ask in here. Do I NEED to take the Solo School in order to get my competition license? If not, do you still think it would be a good decision?

Thanks in advance.

[Dave]

no, you don't need to take the Solo 1 School to get your basic race license (all that's required for this is $50 and membership in a CASC-OR club). However, if you don't have much track experience then I think the Solo 1 School is an excellent idea for you or anyone else just getting into Solo 1 and track days. You'll get a lot of good instruction at this school and it should really help you keep up with the more experienced competitors in your class earlier on in the season. There's a lot to learn in your first season of Solo 1 and the school will really accelerate your learning curve.

Your car looks sweet, btw :)

[Justin]

Yeah I thought it was like that with the school.

I definately will be taking it this year. I was registered last year but I had to bail last minute due to circumstances beyond my control.

What tracks are most frequently used for events? Mosport and Shannonville? I know Dunville is used along with TMP this year since from what I gather, they finally got their safety stuff sorted out and will have the road course open.

[Dave]

We use Shannonville more than any other facility, though we also use Mosport DDT and now the big track too, along with TMP (if it's available) and/or Dunnville (if it's available). We'll also be at Calabogie in August for a 'school/demo event' that will hopefully lead to championship events at this track in '06.

[Justin]

*Drool* Calabogie looks spectacular. Is there going to be a school earlier in the season? Preferrably before any events?

Thanks for all of your help.

[Cheers!]

very nice car, are you going to leave it Right hand drive?

[Dave]

Calabogie is incredible...can't wait to try it!

There is indeed a spring Solo 1 school (held at Mosport DDT I think), which is our main school. The school at Calabogie will be aimed more at helping our drivers get up to speed on this specific track, though of course the classroom and in-car instruction you'll get at either school will undoubtedly help your driving all around.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Cheers!
very nice car, are you going to leave it Right hand drive?

Of course, it's fun going through RIDE program on the opposite side and having the officer ask your passenger if he/she has had anything to drink.

RHD is fun, except for making lefts, other than that... it feels totally normal. You just have to drive to the INSIDE lines instead of the OUTSIDE lines on the highway. Because if you don't, you end up straddling the OUTSIDE line.

And Dave, I will probably attend both schools if that is the case. I look forward to seeing everyone on the track and getting to know you all on a personal, and competitive level.

[B18C5]

Skylines never came left hand drive, so there's nothing to take the parts from. I'm sure you could steal a lot of 240 stuff, but if you're going to do that you might as well just put a Skyline engine in a 240. I remember reading that the biggest reason why they could never convert the Skyline to LHD is because the turbos get in the way of the steering stuff.

[Cheers!]

Originally posted by B18C5
Skylines never came left hand drive, so there's nothing to take the parts from. I'm sure you could steal a lot of 240 stuff, but if you're going to do that you might as well just put a Skyline engine in a 240. I remember reading that the biggest reason why they could never convert the Skyline to LHD is because the turbos get in the way of the steering stuff.

Motorex in the USA imports Skylines and converts them to Left side driver inputs. So there must be some collection of various Nissan parts from their parts bins to make it work.

[ScotcH]

Originally posted by Cheers!
Motorex in the USA imports Skylines and converts them to Left side driver inputs. So there must be some collection of various Nissan parts from their parts bins to make it work.

No they don't ... They only make it legal. The wheel is not moved.