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Bubblecar

02-04-2002, 07:32 AM

So - you guys noticed.

1. Dyno sheet - that was from September at DPE - We normally use Dyno Power Serivces in Scarborough. The car produced 550 at the wheels - 623HP with a 75 shot of Nitrous. Still AWD - but we drop the driveshaft to dyno it as FWD.

2. Recent improvements have likely upped the HP by about 40. Will be at Dyno Power to tune this week.

3. DPE has an option (for additional money) where they can show the A/F ratio. All tuning is being done by Marco of Magnus Motorsports.

4. Last 6 events of 2001 - trying to get a good time slip (Better than 11.0) resulted in - broken front diff, broken tranny, broken axle, broken tranny again (3rd-4th), and finally a blown head gasket. And you thought I broke stuff in Solo.

Major changes have been made to the driveline - and we are expecting runs in the 9 seconds range before May.

As for my track / road racing career - I have bought a Nissan and will be in the Sentra Stock Series with Perry, Tony and others.

Will be at lots of Solo events for practice. Understand it will be in a B SS class (with all of 106 HP at the wheels.) But what the heck, if I couldn't do it in the past with HP - maybe I can do it now with finesse! :-)

All the best

Nick

(Also - am debating painting the black Sentra - Purple like the Talon - any thoughts?)

ctenche

02-04-2002, 10:10 AM

Definitely paint the Sentra purple. It will help to provide a consistent image for Team Action Front. Now if you could only get Chris to repaint the BMW...

alexb

02-04-2002, 05:47 PM

If its purple you could call it Barney!
106hp and classed in Bss,wow thats gotta hurt.:)

Rob McAuley

02-05-2002, 01:02 AM

We miss you Nick! Bring Perry & Tony in their Sentras too!

I'd rather proposition for points than get Paxed.

Bubblecar

02-05-2002, 09:54 AM

As I understand the classification (from a few quick discussions with Chris) -

The Sentra is classed in the B family - because the Sentra Type SE-R is some 175 HP from a 2.4 litre engine.

While in the US they sell the SE-R and Sentra (base) as different model lines - in Canada the are versions of the same Sentra family.

So the basic (126 - 106 at wheels) Senta goes into B-3 - but since the series prepared cars have perfermance springs - we end up in BSS-2.

Nick

(I know - this should be in rules & classification - but what the heck)

ADAM

02-08-2002, 09:13 AM

yep thats the big problem with those talons once they get over 400rwhp..the whole tranny and drivetrains break...that has always been a big issue for them....i think a company makes modified drivetrain parts now for them...

what turbo did you go with to get that power?
and what boost level?

i am running a T3/T4 with .63a/r stage 3 turbine and H-3 compressor...which is a nice size for my engine and spools up very quickly...

Shaman

02-08-2002, 10:46 AM

If Solo-1 ever lets me boost my car, say hello to my two T72 turbos making 720rwhp on pump gas @ 12.5PSI. However, that being a dream highly unlikely to be fulfilled, I'm totally impressed that a 2.0L Talon motor is putting out 650hp. What fuel do you need to run for that, Nick?

ADAM

02-08-2002, 12:01 PM

he must be over 20psi.....plus he is running NOS as well...

thats import for you..he can spank almost any V8

he he he

look at my little motor running at 10psi putting out 220rwhp and 231ft lbs....bring on the mustangs and camero's..and firebirds...they all get spanked..plus the imports can out handle the V8's hands down...

:)

turboawd

02-08-2002, 12:09 PM

Typically for drag race talons, they run about 30psi + 100 shot Nitrous. They use C-116 race fuel, leaded (change O2 a fair bit). I'm not sure what Nick's state of tune is. One guy in the US ran a 8.8 1/4 mile. He was making close to 800 hp The car has since burned up.

F1 in its turbo era used tiny 1.5L (or 1.7?) V6 and I4 turbo engines with 4 to 5 bar of boost. Thats 58-73 psi. They used race fuel that was 75% Xylene or Touline, can't remember.

later..

Bubblecar

02-08-2002, 03:11 PM

With the Talon, we pull 623 HP (at the wheels) with 24 lbs of boost and a 75 shot of nitrous. We run C-16 fule and tune with a Haltech standalone computer.

Our hope is (was) to increase it to 28 lbs and 100 shot. That should net 700 HP that would be 805 at the crank.

As for Glazer in the states - 8.8 1/4 mile - his reported 800 HP is at the crank. So we will be right there with him and hope to challenge in several US based Import Drag events.

As for my Talon - just last night we were at DYNO Power Services and blew up real good.

Actually bent in half the throttle plate (small round disc) from inside the throttle body. Now we have to strip it down and find out where the screws went to ^%&&**!

Hopefully - no toooo much damage.

Nick

ADAM

02-08-2002, 03:28 PM

he he..thats what you get when you try to move that much air :)

nick i think you would be better off at this point to leave boost level as is (depending on your compressor map) and start to lay on vast amounts of NOS..not only will it spool up your probably very silly sized turbo...but cool down the air charge so detonation will be taken care off better...i guess you are running a direct port kit like i have? so jet it up with a 200shot..and let it fly....i think if you near the 700-750 mark you will be pushing that motor....hopefully you invested in a good crank :)

Dave

02-08-2002, 06:07 PM

My god Nick, this is quite the full time hobby you've found! Feels like I've put thousands of hours into my stupid little civic, I can't even imagine all the time, energy, and bling bling ($!!!) you've put into that bird of prey.

Let us know the next time you're at the dyno, I'd certainly love to come and watch if that's cool with you and Marco.

Best of luck with your quest for 800hp!

Dave

Shaman

02-08-2002, 09:53 PM

Adam, just wait until you're out there with the Z06s this year. Stock w/no boost, they'll make your car feel like slow motion. ;)

My god, 800hp 2.0L motor. Very impressive. That's gotta be right out there on the ragged edge, be prepared to replace a few engines wholesale this year. If I can manage it, I'll be out to peek. :D

Bubblecar

02-09-2002, 11:37 AM

Shaman - we currently have two fully prepped engines and have just purchased a brand new secret weapon - 2.4 litre stroker engine!

Transmission will be new custom made gear set. Re-enforced axles and HD diffs.

Adam - eninges are completely built out - both top and bottom - to hold the HP. We sufferred major crank walk last year. Should have it covered now.

Plans are to run in the new NOPI import series and try for the championship - while also showing up at some IDRC and NHRA/Summit events. Locally we hope to do the Import Society (ISDS) events in London and Montreal.

But - much of the driving will be done by Marco Passante of Magnus - I'll do the London events - but much of my driving focus will be on the Sentra in the Street Stock Series and of course SOLO! You guys couldn't survive without the entertainment value of my efforts :-) (plus the food is just tooooo good to pass up)

Nick

Last note - my Sentra will be at the Car show this week in the JRP booth in Skydome - drop by and have a look.

ADAM

02-11-2002, 12:39 PM

hi nick,
what car are you going to run in solo? that talon is probably to far gone now for road racing?

shamen.. Z06 smedd 06......who much do they weigh? and what do they put down at the wheels?

ok..looked it up on the net
corvette z06
405bhp..corrected to 344rwhp
400ftlbs...corrected to 340ftlbs at wheel
weight 3115lbs ..maybe more wet?
1/4=12.4 at 116mph
0-60 3.9sec
thats 9.05lbs/hp and 9.16lb/ftlb

ok...so far i have...
nissan 240sx
10psi boost (untuned state)
220rwhp
238ftlbs
12psi boost (untuned state)
238rwhp
255ftlbs
weight 2700lbs
0-60=? no clue..can beat a carrera 4 off the line
1/4= 13.5 (est)
thats...11.34lb/hp...10.58lb/ftlb

to meet the power to weight ratio of the ZO6 i would need to lay down 298rwhp...which could easily be done with a turbo...it would take approx 15psi boost to do that...plus...my car would out handle the heavier car..

though its not safe running 15psi on my stock motor..a couple of guys in the sates do..and have posted 309rwhp at 15psi running on 91 octane...

all the v8's should cower in fear of the might japanese steel... :)

dave pipe up....start smack talking them with honda :)

Shaman

02-11-2002, 12:59 PM

You're forgetting the wide tires, the center of gravity of 11 inches off the pavement, the and the active handling. Those things are more than significant.

And the weight of the Z06 is 3115 with all fluids and a full tank of gas. And they still have an interior. :) Now let's talk warranty...

Dave

02-11-2002, 01:34 PM

Hmmm, it's pretty tuff to talk too much smack against the Z06. That thing is just soooo freakin' good in virtually every imaginable way. If I had the scratch, I'd buy one in a heart beat.

That being said :) I was within 4 tenth of a second of the fastest Z06 at DDT last year, and that was with an improperly assembled engine, no negative camber to speak of, and pooched tires. This year I will be much faster. On a tight track like the DDT I will own all them Z06 beotches! :D Or at least I like to fantasize about it...

If I wanted to compete head-to-head with the Z06's, I'd probably opt to build up a third gen RX7 like Rick Potter's. Lightweight car for it's class, lots of power potential, excellent chassis and handling characteristics, and reasonably affordable now (you can grab these for under $20k). For the price of a Z06, a killer RX7 could definitely be built. Or if I wanted to stay true to my Honda roots, I'd slap a Vortech supercharger on a NSX like Peter Cunningham's Speedvision (now Speed channel! blech...) World Challenge NSX. Cunningham's car is making over 400rwhp and the handling of a NSX is very tough to beat.

Oooooooh to have $80 to blow on an A/SP project car!!! Must...go....buy...lottery....tickets...

Dave

ADAM

02-11-2002, 02:26 PM

as a supercar platform the toyota supra would win hands down..then a nissan skyline...

he he..yeah your gonna need a warrenty..cause its a chevy :)

Dave

02-11-2002, 02:43 PM

there aren't too many Skylines for sale around here :mad: so that ones kind of tough to work with (and would cost huge cash to import), but you're right about the Supra. Those things have monstrous power potential but they're just so damn heavy that I can't get excited about them. For a race car I'll take lightness over raw power, but that's just my preference. I just dig the fact that a lightweight car is so much easier on brakes and tires and has a feeling of being more 'tossable' in the corners. I think I'd be faster in a 400hp RX7 than in a 600hp Supra, but I'd like to be given the chance to prove myself wrong! :p Anyone know of some test cars we can experiment with?

ADAM

02-11-2002, 03:26 PM

dave...is hada having any lapping days coming up soon? i need to get out on the track....in eraly spring

ctheo

02-11-2002, 03:27 PM

There's so much more than just power to weight ratios and avalible traction to a sports car. There's that "magic" for lack of a better term that cars like the Z06 and Type R have.

All the components just work so well together in cars like that.

For example Dave's car is very well prepped. He did hours of research and spent "a few" bucks on the car. But I'm almost positive that after Dave co-drove an ITR last summer he was thinking "I hope my car feels like that when it's done".

I wish it was as easy as turning up the wick on a car to make it fast.

Dave

02-11-2002, 03:53 PM

yup, Theo has a good point about the sum being greater than the parts on cars like the Z06 and Type R. Hate it when he says something intelligent :p The relatively small difference in lap times between a stock Type R and a SS1 Type R speaks to this same idea and I believe the same held true with the SS1 Z06 compared to the stock Z06's. Tough cars to improve on.

Adam, HADA's first lapping day isn't until June, though that may change. We've kicked around the idea of a early spring 'test & tune' lapping day before and if none of the other clubs have early lapping days we'll likely hold one. Check out www.hadamotorsport.com/events for an up-to-date calendar of events that I know of so far.

Cheers,
Dave

Taylor

02-11-2002, 04:10 PM

Man I hope I can come within 4 tenths of a Z06 this year. That would be awesome. I hope all my complaining about the car really is the car and not me :)

I'm estimating I'll be at 220hp and about 210lb/ft at the wheels by the time the first event hits.

When I think about the amount of money I'm about to put into the car I wonder if staying stock isn't the brighter thing to do. You know, factoring in this is only my second year and I only had 5 events in the car.

Course the joy of turbo is I could easily hit 300 by the end of the year if I actually find myself within tenths of a position. I just hope Dr. Dave doesn't get any quicker this year. I think his car was just put back to A3 too and that means he's got an extra point this year. D'oh.

Now where is the new rulebook dag-nab-it.

Chris P

02-11-2002, 04:26 PM

as for a sub 80k super car. It's gotta be the Supra.

How can you argue with a easy 900rwhp!

Have a look for yourself.

http://www.supraturbo.net/supravideos/bryce_dyno_t2k1.mpeg
What a incridible sound it makes...... :cool:

For more vids of supra's kicking ass check this page

http://www.supraturbo.net/videos.html

or how about this 1000hp supra

http://www.supraturbo.net/supravideos/1000_HP.mpeg

Shaman

02-11-2002, 04:31 PM

Sorry we'll have to disagree. The Supra is to the Z06 like a dumptruck is to a pickup truck. Not just heavier, but a much higher centre of gravity, less tire, less brakes, no active handling, etc. etc. And while you can put more boost through them, it's notable that stock displacement Z06s are getting 700rwhp with twin turbos now on 93 octane gas. Two were built in Toronto that I know of over the winter and one of them has already gone 9.3@157 with that power level - remember, that's pump gas. The chassis itself an the handling are hands-down superior to the Supra.

And you know what they say about Supras:

Q: What's the difference between a 600hp Supra and a 900hp Supra?
A: Nothin', they both run 12s.

I draw your attention to the fact that Rick and I beat a "580rwhp' Supra for the two years we partnered together with a 300rwhp RX7. It was only in 2001 that Rick's car truly ran to its potential - but on 100+ octane gas - there was no miracle, to make the car go, it needs race gas. And even at that, it was very contentious whether Dan Corcoran's 3300 pound Firebird (running on 92 octane) was going to win it over Rick.

The Skyline is another story, but it's not nearly as impressive as fans would lead you to believe. Those really fast Skylines are all running 116 octane fuel, are stripped with lexan windows, sequential transmissions and carbon fibre bodies. I'm constantly amazed at how little people really know about the cars they idolize. I would love a Skyline, so I'm not talking them down because I'm a domestic owner, yada yada yada. I appreciate cars for what they are worth, not where they were made.

Regarding RX7s - they are an awesome track car, but most RX7 owners will now concede that where the RX7 left off, the Z06 picked up. While the Z06 is heavier, its active handling, usable torque and horsepower take a very serious RX7 to contend. And the Z06 is stock! I think you seriously underestimate the potential of those cars. Very few people who know both cars do. And, the RX7s aren't really much better than race cars on the street - and I oughtta know.

I totally agree with ctheo as well. Power:weight and overall weight are crutches that people use when they get beat. Kinda like HP/L. :D

And just to leave you with a thought, because you are comparing a Z06 to modified cars: just a cam, ported heads and headers ($3500 USD installed if you can't use a wrench) will put a Z06 into the 450rwhp range with dead reliability and no power adder. Work with the numbers but don't forget everything else I've mentioned.

Oh yeah, Chris, your post came in after I posted. Saad Saad, Mani, Tozer, Guilly, Bryce - all of them failed to break out of the 11s with their power levels this year. Several 800rwhp/900rwhp cars that trapped under 140mph and couldn't get out of the 11s on slicks in Nevada last summer. How embarrassing is that... Supras are not god, the owners just talk like it. SW had to come along with his Supra and run a 9.9x with it (with 757rwhp) to embarrass them all with less power... and then drove his 422ci Z06 to a better time. :D Please note that SW used Sunoco Blue for that run... no pump gas 9s for Supras.

Chris P

02-11-2002, 04:57 PM

Steve, you might just be right.

I just like posting that vid :p

Brent

02-11-2002, 07:03 PM

I had to throw this one in, the fastest front wheel drive sport compact car (1/4 mile) is a domestic (neon). The second fastest N/A front drive sport compact is a domestic (neon, NO ENGINE SWAP). Next season he will be faster (engine swap).

Adam, my neon + 10lb boost = 240 hp @ 225 ft/lb torque and weighs 2400 lb.

10lb/hp
10.6lb/ft/lb

Oh, and "my car would out handle the heavier car".

Shaman

02-11-2002, 07:20 PM

Now we're talkin' some stuff! :D

BTW, the 2003 Z06 will be 425hp. ;)

ctheo

02-12-2002, 01:45 AM

How do you guys think the new Ford GT40 will fare?

It certainly looks the part and it's forebarer was a racecars racecar.

It really blows being a Ford guy. When was the last time a "good" Mustang was produced? 1970 Boss 302? 1965 GT350R?
Sheesh!

ADAM

02-12-2002, 08:48 AM

he he he he..got things stirred up again :)

re: supras' they are not 1/4 mile cars...
re: skyline it is the ultimate in japanese styling, and is fast when modified...

re:v8 domestics....they are powerfull due to the large engine they have..thats it...as for styling...so so....power great....reliability ..so so..

re: neon with 10psi of boost..bring it on :)it would be a great race

i think you are going to see the csp class this year with daves honda really start to drop the times into A class territory...

turbo rules vs NA..thats all i have to say..after driving my underpowered piece of crap 240sx for 10 years with 140rwhp..and now having 230rwhp+..turbo is the only way to go..its a totally different car...i have yet to find a car on the street that can pull on me mid range...100-180kph...though the fastest car i have met up with is a carrea 4...

turbo rules... down with the V8's

rice up little rice burners..and crush the american steel

:)

ADAM

02-12-2002, 08:58 AM

chris p...

here is my last set of dyno runs...still running lean up top in rpm...will have it sorted out soon...

green was NA motor, and then at 10psi..then 11-12psi

http://son240sx.hn.org/adam/dynorun2.jpg

Bubblecar

02-12-2002, 09:04 AM

Brent -

"the fastest front wheel drive sport compact car (1/4 mile) is a domestic (neon). The second fastest N/A front drive sport compact is a domestic (neon, NO ENGINE SWAP). Next season he will be faster (engine swap). "

What Neon are you talking about - I hope you don't mean Mike Crawford in the IDRC - who lost the seaon title to Brent Rau in an Eclipse/Talon - and has never beat the 8.8 second run by Shawn Glazer in a Talon - the fastest Quick time ever and first in the 8's.

Ooops - I just figured it out - you said front wheel drive - and the Talons are AWD - Never mind!

Nick

Shaman

02-12-2002, 09:48 AM

Dude, on 10PSI of boost I'd be pushing over 800hp crank. Talk walks, power rocks. :D

ADAM

02-12-2002, 09:53 AM

yeah but i only have 2349cc engine :)

i think 238rwhp and 255rwftlbs at the wheels is pretty good for a 4cyl motor..that is street driven...how many stock cars have those power levels...not many :)

Shaman

02-12-2002, 10:11 AM

I'll say it again. Talk walks, power rocks. I don't care if it's a 20L engine or a 1L engine if it puts out the goods. And of course being light helps... the entire LS1/LS6 block assembled is around 200 pounds. (something like 200 pounds lighter than the i6 in an old Nissan!)

ADAM

02-12-2002, 10:18 AM

well unfortunately with stock internals i am limited to under 15psi of boost ..so power levels are limited....

i am not sure anything over 300rwhp in my car would be very driveable anyway in my car...

look at nicks motor..600+rwhp with a 2.0l ..wow

we could all buy big v8's and make power easy...but the real challenge is do get power from a small displacement....thats the trick

i guess its an import thing.. :)

Shaman

02-12-2002, 10:24 AM

I guess so. I just like results. :) I was talking about 800hp on pump gas, BTW. Race gas opens the door too damn wide, I can't imagine trying to drive a car around a road course with even 650rwhp. But for dragging, well... like I said, 9.3@157 with a full-interior C5 plus moly cage on pump gas. Yow.

DECH_92

02-12-2002, 10:29 AM

LOL SMILE

THE NEED FOR SPEED

OMSC Lapping day April 20

ADAM

02-12-2002, 10:59 AM

1/4 mile times really do not mean much on the road race circuits...

look at mustangs...

ctheo

02-12-2002, 03:19 PM

If you guys race like you discuss Forced Induction vs. Natural Asperation/Displacement than we'd have to put you on a circle track. Around and around and around.

Keep going though! Unlike circle track this is actually fun to watch.
;)

ADAM

02-12-2002, 04:24 PM

you missed our hude post last year on displacement :)

ctenche

02-12-2002, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by DECH_92
LOL SMILE

THE NEED FOR SPEED

OMSC Lapping day April 20

Where?

DDT?

Cost?

Shaman

02-12-2002, 04:34 PM

Z06 vs. "430rwhp" Supra:

http://home.attbi.com/~highwayls1/z06highspeedbonus.mpg

Hah!

Brent

02-12-2002, 05:37 PM

http://www.motortrend.com/june01/ttviper/ttviper_f.html

Shaman

02-12-2002, 05:51 PM

That's Viper's putting out just around 1100rwhp now, on 98 octane. :D But Hennessey's got a whole set of problems these days...

Brent

02-12-2002, 06:45 PM

Nick,

The turbo neon was driven by Darrel Cox, team phatridz, best time I think is 9.07 @ 154mph. He just ran a 5.8 @ 124mph which leads people to think he will be in the 8's this year.

The N/A neon is driven by Scott Mohler, best time I could find was 11.06 @ 122mph. He is going to a 2.4 motor for this season.

Is your 2.4L a stroked 2.0L talon motor or is it from another car?

Oh ya, the turbo neon is using the 2.4 motor also.

ctheo

02-12-2002, 11:14 PM

Adam,
I saw that thread from last year. It seems you picked up right where you left off!

ADAM

02-13-2002, 09:05 AM

yep...now that my car is finished i have time for some more V8 bashing :)

bring on the rustangs
show me the vettes
slam me some flaming chickens (firebirds)
roast me some camaro's
toast me some old leaf spring muscle cars

:)

dave its your turn to pipe up again with some honda propaganda :)

ctheo

02-13-2002, 09:17 AM

Adam,
If I bring my Mustang to Cayuga oops, TMP next season would you like to take a run on the 1/4 mile?

Last season we snuck onto the dragstrip for a few runs after a lapping day.

I'm curious to see if the old girl can still lay down a decent time, you know, for a leaf-spring muscle car. Might as well have someone in the lane beside me.

ADAM

02-13-2002, 09:37 AM

yep that would be fun..as long as i get to use my NOS as well....

Shaman

02-13-2002, 11:23 AM

You can use your nitrous if you want. I ran an 11.84@128.7 on Kumhos last year at Shannonville. I'm pulling something like 200 pounds off the car this year and hopefully will be tuned for about 20hp more. So... bring on the mouse motor, Nissan boy. :)

ADAM

02-13-2002, 11:33 AM

all right i concede..no way am i gonna be in the 11's i am in the 13's..maybe high 12's with NOS

but we can still have a go at it..its still fun to try :)

ADAM

02-14-2002, 02:12 PM

so thats it...thats the end of the V8 vs imports debate

come on guys there has to be more smack than that :)

Dave

02-14-2002, 02:37 PM

other than seeing Nick kick some rectum with his Talon, I couldn't give a rats ass about raw horsepower or quarter mile times. I live my life one hot lap at a time :)

I'm done with the smack talk, I want to woop some V8 ass at the track! Is it April yet???

Dave

Taylor

02-14-2002, 02:43 PM

BOOYEAH DAVE!

Sweet. :)

Bubblecar

02-14-2002, 03:03 PM

I too will be out there with my Sentra !

Bring on the vettes, firebirds and stangs!

ADAM

02-15-2002, 09:19 AM

dave is right....the time is coming soon in may for the little 4cyl's to kick some stanky old solid live axle ..leaf spring... rustang..flaming chicken...v8 butt :)

hey nick, you got a new sentra ehh..is that the one that has 175hp..but when tested only had 140..that the big contraversey was about?

a fellow nissan owner...there are hardly any nissans at all...among the sea of honda's

what class i sthe sentra in...? d stock ?

ADAM

02-15-2002, 09:28 AM

hey steve here is agood site on firebirds..have you seen it yet..very good dyno data....

http://www.ws6.com/mycar.htm

Bubblecar

02-15-2002, 09:33 AM

Adam,

The Sentra that I have (for the Ontario Street Stock Series) is a "LOW END" Sentra XE'.

126 HP - at the crank - 106 at the wheels - confirmed by me at Dyno Power Services.

The theory of the series is:
1. to keep it affordable for anyone wanting to race
2. to have all cars virtually IDENTICAL.

Consequently there is almost nothing you can do to it. The cars and engines have six (6) seals to prevent tampering.

We are permitted to put on spec springs, a K&N filter, Spec brake pads, strip the interior, and install a series spec cage. - That's all!

There will be 20 cars, identical drafting and bump drafting down the back straightaway at Mosport - should be great.

So far from Solo1 - Perry, Tony McGrath and I are signed up.

Only problem with the cars, is that for SOLO1 purposes they are classed as BSS ? Strange - but what the heck - it should be great practice - even though by every factor I can think of - we should be running against Honda Civics and Toyota Corolla's.

Nick

ADAM

02-15-2002, 09:42 AM

wow bss...
i think you might get spanked in bss with that..i would think that would be a D car...or max a c class

should be a real fun series that you are in....

Bubblecar

02-15-2002, 09:52 AM

Actually I hope to appeal the BSS rating to the Classification Commitee and the SOLO Director for all of the Sentra's.

I don't know if we would do any better in CSS (tough class) but it really is where the car should be.

Nick

ADAM

02-15-2002, 10:13 AM

css has the type r's...no?

they would be a little too quick i think for the sentras to keep up..

ctenche

02-15-2002, 10:13 AM

Your Sentras totally belong in CSS. If the CCC concedes and moves the car to C then we will have a blast. I'd love to compete against you guys. It would be a lot of fun to kick some Perry but. I'm already giddy just thinking about it :)

Dave

02-15-2002, 11:56 AM

Hey Adam, I have Nissan Maxima as my daily driver :) Nissan owners unite! All four of us.... :p

As for the Sentra series cars moving down to C/SS2, I don't see any reason why we couldn't include a special provision in the rulebook to classify these particular Sentras accordingly since we know they are operating under a very strict rulebook so there's no possibility of them being 'updated/backdated' to SER V Spec parts nor engine swapped to the 175hp 2.5 litre (which why the car ended up in B-family, the 2.5L engine puts it just over the 2.4L cutoff for C-family) under the Solo 1 rulebook. The reasoning behind keeping lesser model variants in the same family as the higher performance model variant (in this case the SER V Spec) is that by the time you get to SP class the two cars could become indistinguishable. Since we know these particular Sentra series cars cannot be modified to that extent, I'm totally comfortable with the idea of classifying them as the 2.0L (or is it a 1.8L?) cars that they are, which would clearly put them in C-family.

Nick, you'll have to get the rest of the CCC to agree to this idea but I'm certainly OK with it. Other Sentra owners will not have the same option because their car is not governed by the Sentra series ruleset, so we're really only talking about the 20 series-registered cars which we are justified (in my opinion) in treating as special cases. If the Sentra series changes its rules, we'll just reclassify the cars accordingly. No biggie.

Dave

Shaman

02-15-2002, 12:06 PM

Adam, yes I know Keith (owner of WS6.com) however his car is considerably different than mine... different motor tops the list... even with nitrous, Keith's car doesn't have the power mine makes without. However, Keith has won several speed trials in Nevada with the car, so there's no question his setup works for what he wants it to do. And the dyno charts, as you say, are awesome.

ADAM

02-15-2002, 12:55 PM

steve,
mind you he blew his motor up..and is now building a 383 turbo motor :) he he so much for 500rwhp v8's ...we have 2.0l nissan SR20det motors that can take more of a pounding than that ..he he..(adds some gas to the fire)

what is making so much power in your car are you running some silly compression?....

dave you have a maxima...the new one or the older type..the new one with the 3.5l really rocks..there are a couple of 240sx guys going to swap it in and turbo it as well.....

by the way..hows your new house..all settled in now...are you married yet or still living in sin :)

Dave

02-15-2002, 01:55 PM

Adam, my Maxima is a 94, not the new powerful one. It's my winter beater :) I have no plans to go fast in it. If I wanted to go fast in a Nissan I think I'd do 95-98 240SX to Silvia conversion. I really love the Silvia, very cool car. Yet another Japanese performer we never got here in the SUV center of the world. Could certainly do a Silvia conversion cheaper than a new Maxima too.

The new house is great. It's nice taking advantage of the low interest rates these days too. Definitely cheaper to own than rent if you want to live in a snooty neighbourhood like Ancaster :p
And no, not married yet. Living in sin (um, common law marriage at this point) is the only way to go. All the money we'd spend on a wedding is put to MUCH better use at the race track :rolleyes:
Once I win my first F1 race, we'll get married...hehe, don't tell Debb that!

Dave

02-15-2002, 02:01 PM

What the? For some strange reason this message board edited out the words "loh interrest ratez" (yes I missed spelled it on purpose so it would show up this time!) out of my paragraph about the house. What's the deal with that? Apparently we can't discuss interrest ratez on this board? Freaky...

BTW Adam, do you know of any good website that discussion Silvia conversations into USDM 240SX's?

Dave

ADAM

02-15-2002, 02:23 PM

hi dave....
so you are looking into the dark side eh...

there are no real web sites for the convertions(most of them deal with the sr20det motor swap)...but when the time comes ask me..i have tons of web sites with body kits .....that make it look like a silvia....or you can make a sil80..which is the rear half of my car with a s14 front end...some guys are bringing in the front clip and doing it that way..

there are a few guys in our local 240sx club that have the sr20det motor conversion...

next year i plan to replace my front bumper and add side skirts..to give the car a different look

nissan has been under represented in this import craze thing..hondas have taken the lime light..

if you are looking for a nissan 240sx cheap..tell me they are always coming up for sale in our club and we have tons of spare motors and stuff all the time...

plus the KA motor which i have ..has some turbo kits for it....

Shaman

02-15-2002, 11:33 PM

Heck, I could make 700+ horsepower with some more octane and still no forced induction. All that makes my motor strong is that it's got a good cam and some ported heads, really. Same as the last 50 years of smallblock V8s... some people don't remember, that's all.

Dave Barker

02-16-2002, 01:00 PM

OK Guys , its time to stop bashing " dinosaur " cars with live axles , unsophisticated suspensions and low tech engines . People are suprised but when you look at power/wgt ratios of stock engined ( not anything like Steve Coles ) cars . The Honda S2000 , BMW E 36 M3 and Integra Type Rs are remarkably close . My car is 285 horse at the engine in 3500 lb , you do the math .

Meanwhile I have to get 3500 lb slowed down and through a corner with out the benefit of a reasonable rear suspension while trying to keep 250 lb of unsprung wgt at the rear from wanting to swap ends but still get out of the corner with enough speed to make it worthwhile . I have competed in rear wheel drive cars with independant rear ends
and they are MUCH easier to drive .

So what 's my point ?? These cars ,(Camaros , Firebirds Mustangs and even Pontiac Accadians ) are significantlly harder to drive than most cars that compete in Solo 1 and if the drivers of these cars manage to beat some of those who drive those wussy point and shoot cars ( those who drive them know who I am referring to ) then more power to them .

Any yes I know the DDT is not going to be where the "dinosaur " cars will shine but lets talk Cayuga .