Time for rules questions

[holliko]

Wes,
I have a question about about the substituion (sp) of a leather interior for a cloth interior on an option package upgrade... Can the cloth be used instead as it would offer no advantage or effect of performance....


Stock Cat ruling:

6.3
C. Bodywork
i) The addition or use of alternate accessories, gauges,
indicators, lights, mirrors, and other appearance,
comfort, and convenience modifications which have no
effect on performance and/or handling are permitted.

[Wedge]

Originally posted by holliko
Stock Cat ruling:

6.3
C. Bodywork
i) The addition or use of alternate accessories, gauges,
indicators, lights, mirrors, and other appearance,
comfort, and convenience modifications which have no
effect on performance and/or handling are permitted.

Unfortunately seats don't fit into that rule, because they do affect performance. Seats can vary alot in weight, plus better seats will be stiffer and hold the driver in place better, which affects performance a little more indirectly. That's why seats are 1 point each (even in stock class).
But, you are allowed to convert between option packages. But the conversion must be complete. You can't just take the seats from one option package. You must also take everything else that's different, whether it's the steering wheel or side skirts or whatever other changes are part of the package.

[TOYSRUS]

Originally posted by holliko
Wes,
I have a question about about the substituion (sp) of a leather interior for a cloth interior on an option package upgrade... Can the cloth be used instead as it would offer no advantage or effect of performance....


Stock Cat ruling:

6.3
C. Bodywork
i) The addition or use of alternate accessories, gauges,
indicators, lights, mirrors, and other appearance,
comfort, and convenience modifications which have no
effect on performance and/or handling are permitted.

Forget the rules and join the DARK SIDE!!
(CMOD)

[max attack]

Yeah-what he said!:cool: (you might get some competition this year Bill-not from me of course,I suck:D )

[tanney]

What Matt said!

[tanney]

Actually, if they were stock cloth seats from the same generation of Miata, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The support and contours should be the same and the pound or so of weight savings could be overlooked.

[finboy]

Originally posted by tanney
Actually, if they were stock cloth seats from the same generation of Miata, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The support and contours should be the same and the pound or so of weight savings could be overlooked.


that wasn't the reply I expected

:eek: :confused:

[miataboi]

Originally posted by finboy
that wasn't the reply I expected

:eek: :confused:

Don't bimmer's have leather seats too? :eek: ;) :p

[tanney]

I never said it was legal in stock class, I just said that it "could" be overlooked.

I don't have a problem with it, but your fellow class competitors may........ Rules are rules!

[13inches]

Where does it stop?

Do you have to paint the car the same colour if the package was only available in that colour? What if the package was only available on OBDII models, would you have to update an OBDI car of the same generation to OBDII specs?

[Wedge]

Originally posted by 13inches
Do you have to paint the car the same colour if the package was only available in that colour? What if the package was only available on OBDII models, would you have to update an OBDI car of the same generation to OBDII specs?

I'm just quoting rules here, I can't say what can/cannont be overlooked. But I seriously doubt (actually I can say for fact) that nobody will care if a car in the stock class is not the correct colour, "Civ-ette".
As for the coversion of an option package from an OBDI into an OBDII car. That is definately not allowed. You're only allowed to convert between option packages from the same model year, or perhaps the same model generation. But either way, there's no way an OBD I & II versions of any car could be considered the same generation, so that's definately out of the question.

[gatherer]

Originally posted by 13inches
Where does it stop?

Do you have to paint the car the same colour if the package was only available in that colour? What if the package was only available on OBDII models, would you have to update an OBDI car of the same generation to OBDII specs?

I doubt it or my car wouldn't be able to compete in the stock class hmm now that look at the rules paint color choice I think falls under 6.3.C.i since it's an appearance mod that has no effect on performance or handling... (unless blue cars go faster, lets look at h stock results... hmm 1st and 2nd place blue cars...hmmmm)

as for the seats you could switch them to other another option packages stock seats. here's how:

if the different between the 2 factory packages are just tirm related that do not affect performance and or handling. then you can do this:

switch the seats. done

if protested.

argue you switched everything to the other tirm level then used rule 6.3.C.i to switch everything else that was just trim back to what your had before.

of course if you have a sunroof in your package or a convertable top and the other package doesn't have this then you have to make those changes (and the other way round as well) same with air conditioning and powersteering.

but if the differences are only tirm and fancy crap that doesn't affect performance or handling then yes you can make the move with just the seats.

[Wedge]

Originally posted by gatherer
as for the seats you could switch them to other another option packages stock seats. here's how:

if the different between the 2 factory packages are just tirm related that do not affect performance and or handling. then you can do this:

switch the seats. done

if protested.

argue you switched everything to the other tirm level then used rule 6.3.C.i to switch everything else that was just trim back to what your had before.

of course if you have a sunroof in your package or a convertable top and the other package doesn't have this then you have to make those changes (and the other way round as well) same with air conditioning and powersteering.

Yup, that works for everything that is free in stock. Any gauges, shift knobs, brake pads, sometimes steering wheel. I won't list everything, it's all in the rulebook.

[gatherer]

Steering wheel is a separate rule 6.3.c.iii

shift knob is rule 6.3.c.ii

all I can say is read the rules many times ... and let it sink in

[13inches]

Originally posted by Wedge
As for the coversion of an option package from an OBDI into an OBDII car. That is definately not allowed. You're only allowed to convert between option packages from the same model year, or perhaps the same model generation. But either way, there's no way an OBD I & II versions of any car could be considered the same generation, so that's definately out of the question. I'm not so sure....

The 94-97 Miata's had virtually no changes to them throughout the 4 model years (minor items like seat belt mounts and door handles were changed), however the OBD system did change from I to II. These cars are commonly classed together and in fact, all 90-97 Miatas are considered to be 1st generation Miatas.

So the question stands....if a '94 is updated to a package available on a '97, does the OBD conversion have to take place....?

[Wedge]

The 94-97 Miata's had virtually no changes to them throughout the 4 model years (minor items like seat belt mounts and door handles were changed), however the OBD system did change from I to II. These cars are commonly classed together and in fact, all 90-97 Miatas are considered to be 1st generation Miatas.



Uhm........ ....

ahhh.... well....

... :confused:
:(



Hey! Where's our cheif scrutineer when we need him?

[13inches]

Originally posted by Wedge
Uhm........ ....

ahhh.... well....

... :confused:
:(



Hey! Where's our cheif scrutineer when we need him? Which kinda begs the question.....

Who are our 2005 Solo2 committee? Hopefully no one has left!

[gatherer]

Originally posted by 13inches
I'm not so sure....

The 94-97 Miata's had virtually no changes to them throughout the 4 model years (minor items like seat belt mounts and door handles were changed), however the OBD system did change from I to II. These cars are commonly classed together and in fact, all 90-97 Miatas are considered to be 1st generation Miatas.

So the question stands....if a '94 is updated to a package available on a '97, does the OBD conversion have to take place....?

no because your only allowed to switch between option packages of the same model year. the swithc from OBD1 to OBD2 effectively splits it up into 2 different years..

[13inches]

Originally posted by gatherer
no because your only allowed to switch between option packages of the same model year. the swithc from OBD1 to OBD2 effectively splits it up into 2 different years.. Thanks jD!

[finboy]

Originally posted by Wedge
Unfortunately seats don't fit into that rule, because they do affect performance. Seats can vary alot in weight, plus better seats will be stiffer and hold the driver in place better, which affects performance a little more indirectly. That's why seats are 1 point each (even in stock class).
But, you are allowed to convert between option packages. But the conversion must be complete. You can't just take the seats from one option package. You must also take everything else that's different, whether it's the steering wheel or side skirts or whatever other changes are part of the package.


that's the way I understand it

take everything, I don't believe you can pick and select what you like in a model year (stock as in the way it came from the factory)

all or none in my opinion

[holliko]

damn.... I go away for a day and look what happens..... the board got really active....

Anyways WES i'm looking for an officials ruling not an "overlook".... I am planning on going to Nationals and may still want to run in Stock class... I was hoping to install all the options that come on a 2000 SE model miata except the seats and paint..... what would the ruling be????
Robert

[gatherer]

what are all the options you need to change for the 2000 SE?

if it's just trim then it falls under 6.3.C.i

[holliko]

I believe but maybe other Miata folks could help..

1) springs
2) strut tower bar??
3) sway bars
3) Torsen LSD
4) transmisson
5) interior (seats) this is the part I don't want to swap as finding a leather interior will be very difficult if not impossibly expensive

[gatherer]

then it looks like you'll have to do the seats in that case... since it is more then just trim

[13inches]

Originally posted by holliko
I believe but maybe other Miata folks could help..

1) springs
2) strut tower bar??
3) sway bars
3) Torsen LSD
4) transmisson
5) interior (seats) this is the part I don't want to swap as finding a leather interior will be very difficult if not impossibly expensive 2000 SE:
Mahogany Mica SE only: 15" polished alloy wheels, 6-speed transmission, PS, PM, PW, PL, Bose AM/FM/Cassette deck + CD player and 4 speakers, beige leather seats, beige interior trim, cruise control, wooden Nardi 3-spoke steering wheel, wood Nardi shift knob, wood hand brake handle, woodgrain centre console, white gauge faces, scuff plates, wind blocker, ABS, Torsen LSD, dual air-bags, beige soft-top, aero-sport package (front air dam, side skirts, and rear spoiler). Available with or without hard-top. Two distinctive coloured keys

Thats a lot of changes to make .....good luck!

[Wedge]

Most of this stuff is free, things which I am unsure about I marked with a ?

15" polished alloy wheels - required, unless you claim 1 point for wheels
6-speed transmission - required
PS, PM, PW, PL - all required
Bose AM/FM/Cassette deck + CD player and 4 speakers - free
beige leather seats - required, unless you claim 1 point per seat
beige interior trim - free
cruise control - ?
wooden Nardi 3-spoke steering wheel - free, as long as the diameter of whatever wheel you use is +/- 50mm of this wheel
wood Nardi shift knob - free
wood hand brake handle - free
woodgrain centre console - ?
white gauge faces - free
scuff plate - ?
wind blocker - I'm not sure what this is...
ABS - does not need to be enabled, but must be installed
Torsen LSD - required
dual air-bags - required
aero-sport package (front air dam, side skirts, and rear spoiler) - you don't need the OEM air dam, skirts and spoiler. But you must have 1 of each which is the same weight or greater than these OEM items.

[tanney]

I thought you were asking about seats...... All this stuff falls under Update Backdate..... SP!

[Wedge]

Originally posted by tanney
I thought you were asking about seats...... All this stuff falls under Update Backdate..... SP!

Dude, there's no update/backdate in stock class. :rolleyes:

[StewPiddass]

Actually, Wedge made me think of this stuff on the way to Ottawa last year. I'm glad I have a few points to play with cuz I put Integra front seats (same weight) in my car as well as my ricey projector headlights (probably heavier) and substituted the factory battery (new one's at least 10 lbs heavier) I count 4 points there, I would hope this isn't anything that would get me a complaint. Hell I hear my shaved emblems and antenna would cost me at nationals.

This is funny because my stereo's gotta weigh 60-80 lbs... not to mention the big stupid wing... plus I could stand to lose a couple of pounds myself.

[Rob]

Making all those changes will probably cost you more than buying a used 99+ with a sports package option - there must be some available. Is all this because you don't like the open diff in your car?

Any chance that you'll move out of CS? I'd like to consistently finish 4th instead of 5th!

ROB

[sjd]

Originally posted by StewPiddass
plus I could stand to lose a couple of pounds myself.

That's true. :p

[holliko]

oh-well CSS then..... Thanks for the help... guys...

[gatherer]

Wedge your funny... telling Wes there's no update/backdate rule in Stock.... I think thats why at the end of his post he put SP.

anyways for the wood grain trim thats all under 6.3.C.i in my mind. if it doesn't affect performance or handling or weight Then that rule seems to be very broad to cover a wide range of stuff.

either way with a $500 protest fee at the nationals what the hell is everyone worried about? Hell outright Cheat all you can. why? no one in their right mind is going to try and protest at that price. (yes they get 450 back if found to be right ... but it's still crazy)

[Tony Kloosterma]

Jason, I don't think its anywhere near appropriate for anyone to condone cheating, or even to suggest that it would be okay just because the protest fee is high.

Think about the ramifications of what you say before saying it.

Tony

[gatherer]

Tony,

I've thought about it ... hmmm hmmm hmmm, yep I'll stick to what I said there. until protest fees change let the cheating be rampant. just my opinion.

Jason.

[Tony Kloosterma]

I'll bring $500

[tanney]

I've thought about it ... hmmm hmmm hmmm, yep I'll stick to what I said there. until protest fees change let the cheating be rampant. just my opinion.

This comment is totally inappropriate for anyone involved in the sport to publically state!

[max attack]

Wes is right,this low key sport relies on the honesty of the competitors.There's no real reward for doing well so whats the point,for the guy's that don't like the rules they can run in numerous club events that allow for pretty much anything.
A friend runs 4cyl mini stock and the cheating is outa control at his track,its amazing what they get away with-and then the next guy tries to out cheat him and so and so on .........would drive me away from the class for sure.

[thekid]

Originally posted by gatherer
Tony,

I've thought about it ... hmmm hmmm hmmm, yep I'll stick to what I said there. until protest fees change let the cheating be rampant. just my opinion.

Jason.

I encourage you to publically tell us how you're cheating at nationals, i'll pay the $500 and i'm not even in your class!

[thekid]

one more thought.... if you have to cheat to win... then it sucks to be you...

[13inches]

Originally posted by Wedge
Most of this stuff is free, things which I am unsure about I marked with a ?

15" polished alloy wheels - required, unless you claim 1 point for wheels
6-speed transmission - required
PS, PM, PW, PL - all required
Bose AM/FM/Cassette deck + CD player and 4 speakers - free
beige leather seats - required, unless you claim 1 point per seat
beige interior trim - free
cruise control - ?
wooden Nardi 3-spoke steering wheel - free, as long as the diameter of whatever wheel you use is +/- 50mm of this wheel
wood Nardi shift knob - free
wood hand brake handle - free
woodgrain centre console - ?
white gauge faces - free
scuff plate - ?
wind blocker - I'm not sure what this is...
ABS - does not need to be enabled, but must be installed
Torsen LSD - required
dual air-bags - required
aero-sport package (front air dam, side skirts, and rear spoiler) - you don't need the OEM air dam, skirts and spoiler. But you must have 1 of each which is the same weight or greater than these OEM items. The torsen LSD could also be claimed by itself as a 1-pt mod, however you need to retain the same gear ratio.....

Cruise control and windblocker would be required, although I'm sure that aftermarket units of equal or greater weight would suffice.

The centre console should be a freebie, as should the scuff plate (ie: the non-se versions would be fine)

[JoeT]

Originally posted by thekid
I encourage you to publically tell us how you're cheating at nationals, i'll pay the $500 and i'm not even in your class!

Impeach Gatherer!! Impeach Jason!!!

I wonder how his sponsors would feel, if someone directed them to this thread. Hummmmmmm?

[Wedge]

I think it's hilarious that the season is still many months away. And not only has the smack talk already started. But people are already being accused of cheating!
I say we should all just move to mod class. Then there will be no cheating, we won't have to worry about pax anymore, and Bill R will be one happy camper.

Seriously though, Jason is the last person I would worry about cheating. Everyone knows exactly what's in his car, he makes no secrets about any of it. His car was probably the most closely scrutinized car at the 2004 nationals, and they found nothing wrong. Except for maybe a poorly designed rollbar...

This isn't the first time his keyboard has gotten him into trouble around here. I think he was just trying to point out what he feels is a flaw in the CAC protest system.

[Tony Kloosterma]

This isn't the first time his keyboard has gotten him into trouble around here. I think he was just trying to point out what he feels is a flaw in the CAC protest system.


I fully understand Jasons concern with the rule.
However there is a forum to deal with that.

Tony

[gatherer]

Guys,

Basically what I was trying to say (maybe not as delicately as I should have but I'm not known by anyone to be delicate..) is your worrying about the fabric on seats ... that in my view is simply something people arn't going to waste there time complaining about and entering a 500 dollar protest fee on.

The 500 dollar protest fee from the way I was told about it, is simply to remove those petty protests... in 2003 there was a protest in regards to a SP level civic with the same engine I had in my car (same make and model) the protest claimed the outside diameter of the injectors wasn't stock and no points had been claimed for it (for those that don't know injectors can flow different amounts of fuel while having the same outside diameter, hence this was petty). it was found by comparasion to be the same size as my injectors. Anyways it's to avoid the petty protests about no emblems (which, while many say can't be removed I still stand firm in my belief that rule 6.3.C.i covers them) and stuff like that, that the rule was changed.

At the same time I Also believe the higher protest fee will open the door for only those that can afford it, to use it, you can't afford to use it, just drive faster. (by the way in case any of you haven't noticed I'm dead set against it, they want to get rid of the petty protests then make a rule about protests only allowed against performance or handling affecting areas) So the ones with money will be the only ones that can enter a protest. I got caught like this at the last nationals simply because the rule was changed and the changes were done from what I was told before the thursday before the event. needless to say I hadn't budgeted an extra 450 for a possible protest when I went. I had 50 dollars for one. Yes I'll admit I'm still bitter about the timing of the rules changes like this. (Personally I strongly believe in a period of time before the event where rules have to be set in stone and not changed.)

Basically since the petty protests were removed I wouldn't sweat it. We are talking about changing the fabric on stock seats here. does it give you an advantage? well you have to be super good and consistent beyond the levels of the greats currently in our sport, if your looking for an advantage in fabric. (Again this is my personal view)

Do I think you should Swap an engine, Switch springs, Cut the car to the same level that Bill's done with his Mr1 and call it stock? No. Do I think you should do unseen and hard to detect performance mods to your car and call it stock? No. It dulls the victory and bitters it's taste. And it would say something about your character. Do I think you should quit worrying about small stuff like the fabric on a seat? Yes, but thats just my opinion.

Enter your Protests against me at Regionals and at Nationals. Hell lets get Club events in there too I plan on attending those as well. I Welcome them. Then again it's not my money that would be given to the series when I win those protests. My car is 100% to the rules, I don't cross them anywhere, well my car is missing the civic sticker (from when it was re-painted) (still looking to get the sticker from honda to put back on, and it's a sticker not an emblem thats missing) and it's not the stock colour. Hell I got a good one, use this it's great I might just lose this one. Enter a protest because my car weighs a few grams over stock because the paint they put on was put on over top of the stock color. or the driver side fender doesn't line up right with the hood like it should, because of some idiot backing into my car and me fixing it myself.

I seem to be at the center of every issue. do I complain no. I seem to be hated by some. do I complain, nope. I don't care. I'm there to drive and try for first place in class. Thats it. you want to be friendly, I'll try hard to be friendly. you just want to see the Jerk in me so be it. I am who I am, and I am a Jerk, I've come to terms with that and I don't care. I'm willing to freely volenteer my time as required of me, all thats required is I get asked. I don't put out effort unless I know thats it's been asked of me, thats my nature I've come to terms with that. in the past 2 weeks I was informally asked to help with PAX for next season. so I put out some effort and did a bit of work and came up with some numbers. And I fired that off to the person that asked that of me. do I care what PAX is this season. nope. Did I send quality work? yes. was it unbiased? well I run in H stock and if my numbers are used as is (which they won't be, but that doesn't bother me) H stock would of had the largest change in PAX, and it was in a direction that would of hurt the class. Take that was you will, I do not know if it's unbiased or not because I never looked at event names, it was just a list of event results. Frankly I don't care if it looks biased or not. I was also recently asked to be a meber of the timing commitee for the regionals, I said I'd do it, provided I got the required training. You will never get a no from me when it comes to helping out, provided I have time to help. But you have to decide whether you want someone to help, whose posts on the internet seems to reflect poorly on his character. Thats not for me to decide I am who I am, and I have come to terms and am at peace with myself. I will always try to help out if I'm asked and Able to. Now excuse me while I go soak some aches and pains I got slugging tires once again.

Lastly I hope Tony notices that I was joking in my last post there. We have butted heads before and we will Butt heads again. I'm ok with that, you can't please everyone and I stopped trying.

Jason

[Tony Kloosterma]

Jason,

I know all about how much work you put into the pax, I know about the timing situation. I could care less whether we were talking about seats or trannies or engine swaps.

If you want to be a part of the solo 2 committee you need to watch what you say. If you don't like the rule there is a process to try and change it. I know you're bitter about the nationals, let it go, even if he was illegal it would not have gotten you first place. Hell i looked at the car too on your behalf and thought it was border line.

I have no grudge against you at all. I think you are a nice guy, I also think that sometimes you stir the pot once too often.

In this case, saying that people should go ahead and cheat was one stir too many.

I don't think your car is illegal, i could care less if it is, my concern is how we look to people that pop in here and are curious about solo 2. Your comment could, may turn people away.

Thats my point.

Tony

[gatherer]

Tony you are correct, there is a certain image we have to present. I'm rough. I will say things that could be interpreted the wrong way, but thats just me. The opinions I express in my posts are solely my opinions.

[Tony Kloosterma]

and they should be retracted

[JoeT]

Originally posted by gatherer
Tony you are correct, there is a certain image we have to present. I'm rough. I will say things that could be interpreted the wrong way, but thats just me. The opinions I express in my posts are solely my opinions.

Your opinions are your opinions when you are not representing an organization.

As soon as you become part of a governing body, then your words start representing the organization. That's where the problem lies. Speak your mind, but change the manner in which you present your thoughts.

There goes the fun!

[finboy]

Originally posted by gatherer

either way with a $500 protest fee at the nationals what the hell is everyone worried about? Hell outright Cheat all you can. why? no one in their right mind is going to try and protest at that price. (yes they get 450 back if found to be right ... but it's still crazy)

-protest fees should be 20 bucks or less, to have them at 500 dollars is a joke.

why so much?

it should be cheap so $$ is NOT an issue so everyone and anyone can submit a protest

secondly.. regardless how stupid/childish ones post is.. they can do it, and others can read it for its face value.

having a signature like

"solo 2 director" etc.. ones posts should be made with consideration

but having a joe blow signature .. who cares

if JD is using this forum to vent his own frustrations.. spank the dude

if his beef is a common one and for the good of everyone else
so be it

if anyone has issues with it, you could have pm'd him and asked him off the main board.

i don't know the details but if the cost to file a protest is $500.00
something aint right

[Tony Kloosterma]

if he has a beef with the rule he can post that and suggest it may be changed. That is not what happened.
He outright condoned cheating. and thats not right.

Tony

[finboy]

Originally posted by gatherer
Tony,

I've thought about it ... hmmm hmmm hmmm, yep I'll stick to what I said there. until protest fees change let the cheating be rampant. just my opinion.

Jason.

TK

I missed this comment, a poor choice of words, wrong message sent and just uncool

bad JD bad go to your room!!!!

NO SOUP FOR YOU

:mad:


spank

[tanney]

And for the record the $500 protest fee is ONLY for the CAC National event.

I have voiced my concerns with the ASN Solosport Committee and hopefully it is being considered too high for Solo 2.

The CASC-OR Regional protest fee currently sits at $50.

Also for the record, if anyone is caught cheating, there is a process for dealing with it and the competitor will be dealt with as per the CASC-OR GCR's.

Like Tom said, this sport uses the honour system, for the most part, and if you cheat you ruin the sport for yourself (what good's a pretty trophy if you know in your own mind that you cheated to win it) and everyone who competes honestly.

Just the thought of a competitor publically stating "Let the cheating begin" sickens me! If you don't like a rule, go through the proper channels to have it reconsidered, or walk away...... (this is not a persnal attack on any one person, this is a general statement meant for all!)

[gatherer]

Fellow Competitors,

A few days ago I made comments on the web board in regards to cheating. In those comments I suggested that cheating should be rampant in our sport because the controls that are in place, at the national level, currently are not suited to help the common competitor question validity of the other vehicles they are competing against. I still believe that the controls we have at the national level are still not suited for the common competitor. That belief won't change until rules are changed at the national level. However, I did go about voicing my extreme dislike of the current rules in a very poor manner. Anyone coming into this sport and reading those comments could get a very incorrect impression as to the state of affairs in our sport. Personally I think that the vast majority of the solo 2 community plays within the rules. In conclusion, I apologize for posting in the manner I did, I should have used more discretion.


thank you,

Jason Drummond

[Doug Phillips]

Not like there is big money at play here. Why would anyone cheat in order to win a trophy? Beats me.

$500 protest is just wrong. Might as well throw in the pink slip to boot.

Is Jason one of our Solo 2 commitee members?:confused: Did not know that.

[Tony Kloosterma]

Thanks for your statement Jason.

Tony

[tanney]

Yes, thank you Jason.

[DanielForest]

Hi Guys,

Last year CAC protest fees were included in the last minutes GCR's from the ASN and we had to live with it. There will be new GCR's this year from the ASN and they should applied to all motorsports sactionned by the ASN. As a member of the ASN SoloSport Committe I wish I'm going to have a word on them. Chris Sorensen is your region rep.

I'm not going to start the debate again, but all this discussion about the too high (500$) protest fee under CAC rules is a little silly since all decisions taken at last year CAC by the tech inspector/scrutineer about the legality of the cars where in agreement with the organizer (event director) and the stewards, all ASN SoloSport committee members from different regions. So, protests were already a done business and I don't believe an appeal would have done any changes. But any concerns about legality of the cars were listened and looked after. So the question is more about the rules and how they were applied.

I really hope the new GCR's will be more relevant to the SoloSport.

I also have to deal with a lot of people's request about minor changes to their cars. Some are more perfomance oriented. I think the 240SX came one year with a LSD while there were none, even in option, the year before. The remaining of the car is identical (in theory). But the year isn't the same. So if you run a 1992 car in Stock, you can't get the 1993 specs. That may look a little tough, but where are we going to stop after that if we allow these changes in Stock. I'm pretty sure many people are cheating on small details. A car with a broken front grill or a missing front spoiler is probably not going to be protested by anyone at a regional level. But when we are talking about a National event, you never know. And, even for some missing trims or emblems, if I had to make the decisions, then the protest would be founded. So all of you Stock category competitors with "minor" illegality, start praying that I will NOT be this year CAC chief steward!

Daniel Forest
Auto-Quebec SoloSport Director
ASN SoloSport Committee