Club Membership Cards

[tanney]

Just a heads up......

It will be manditory that all competitors show the current and valid CASC-OR affiliated club membership cards when registering for the series or the events (ASN Canada FIA affiliated club membership or SCCA membership will also be accepted for event registration).

Nows the time to bug your club membership person to get the membership cards issued.

If you do not present one when registering in the series, your series registration will remain pending until it is shown (no numbers officially issued, no scoring, etc.). If you are participating in regional events this year, you will be required to show a club membership card at event registration if you are not series registered.

I will be talking to all the clubs about an option to get a temporary club membership for a "reasonable" cost at the events, but it is recommended that you take care of any membership issues BEFORE the season starts.

[Wedge]

So this means that club membership is now mandatory to enter all regional events?

[tanney]

YES. Similar to Solo 1, there MAY be temporary memberships available. That will be club specific and up to them.

You will not be issued a number or able to do online registration until the card has been shown to our registrar and your registration confirmed.

So bring your membership cards to the Open House on April 3rd at CSC Racing (more details to follow)

[Keith-02Accord]

Wes, Does this apply even if you are not intending on having your score count?

[tanney]

Yes, the rule book states that you need to be a member of a CASC-OR affiliated club to participate (or another club recognozed by ASN Canada FIA or the SCCA).

This year it will be enforced!

Solo 1 has been issuing temp memberships for newbies for a couple of years and it seems to work for them.

The club events are the events that newbies coming out should get involved with first. The regionals are the next step up. You don't usually step into Formula Atlantic unless you've at least done some F1600 first.

[finboy]

kind double edged no??

so.. if you're a newbie..

you've got two choices then...


a) you have to get a temp membership or JOIN a club

or

b) say screw the regional series, I'll just do the club thing


for the hardcore folks this rule is a plus..

but for the casual conehead it ain't that great

[Wedge]

Originally posted by finboy
kind double edged no??

b) say screw the regional series, I'll just do the club thing

for the casual conehead it ain't that great


That's what they should be doing anyway. If I were a beginner I sure wouldn't want to travel great distances for most regionals just to have to butt handed to me. My first year of Solo 2 I just went to whatever event was physically closest to me every weekend. I think that's best for all concerned. There's plenty of places for newbies to gain experience without having to slow down a regional event.
There's far more club events than there are regional events. There's PITL, COMP, WOSCA, TLMC, HADA, MCO, they all hold their own series every year. Newbs don't have to attend regionals if they don't want to. So there is no real problem for anybody.

[sjd]

I agree that you should have to be a member of a club to run. As for the FF1600 to Formula Atlantic analogy, maybe the rookie rules should change, because if you run in FF1600 and then jump to Formula Atlantic you score rookie points in Formula Atlantic because it's new series for you.

[finboy]

sorry...

the other point i wanted to make was

every once in a while......an old familiar face pops up to see whats up, and who's still around.

due to other comitments or whatever.. they have been absent for some time, and out of the blue... pop out to an event.

Regionals tend to be one of those events where on occasion
this would happen.

the phrase "sucks to be you" might be applied since they'd have to beong or get a temp membership (whatever that is) to join in on the fun.

rules are rules... but it kinda stinks for this type of situation

[JAYh]

What about having an exemption for non-members sharing a car with club members? That way I can recruit a friend or family member to ride shotgun (i.e. keep me awake) on the longer drives (like I did last year a few times), but don't have to expect them to spend the day bored.

I hardly think the extra 2-3 novice competitors you'd get this way are going to break the event.

- J

[Tony Kloosterma]

This is not open for debate. It was decided at the last meeting that everyone had a chance to have input at. As Wes says its also part of the general competition rules.

End of this discussioon. Get your cards. I noticed WOSCA handing out cards and taking memberships this weekend. The open house is April 3. If you can't get your card by then or by the first event on May 29 something is terribly wrong.


Tony

[tanney]

As for the FF1600 to Formula Atlantic analogy, maybe the rookie rules should change, because if you run in FF1600 and then jump to Formula Atlantic you score rookie points in Formula Atlantic because it's new series for you. The point I was making was you don't start competing in Formula Atlantic with NO prior experience. You have to move up through the ranks; karting, F1600 or F2000, then possibly Formula Atlantic.

I was at a club event last year (no names) and there was a guy out for the very first time, ever. After EVERY run the poor guy took, the course had to be reset. Everything was shut down while they picked up after this guy. This is not the type of competitor that should be out at a regional event (at least for their first ever event).

If you drove, say, five hours to compete in a regional event, would you not be annoyed if one competitor caused 20-30 minutes of downtime over the course of the day? I know some people would because I have heard similar complaints from comptetitors in the past.

We DON'T want to discourage new people from coming out and participating, but the rule book states, and has stated for as long as I have been in the sport, that you must be a member of an affiliated club to participate. Now it is being enforced!

We are not trying to alienate people, just trying to make the sport better. I guess people's ideas of making the sport better differ. My term is up in November if anyone thinks they can do it better...... you are more than welcome to step up.

[finboy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tony Kloosterma
This is not open for debate. It was decided at the last meeting that everyone had a chance to have input at. As Wes says its also part of the general competition rules.

End of this discussioon. Get your cards. I noticed WOSCA handing out cards and taking memberships this weekend. The open house is April 3. If you can't get your card by then or by the first event on May 29 something is terribly wrong.


Tony [/QUOTE


ease up fellas

my comments were just that.

I have no problem with the rules, nor was there any intention on my part to cause debate

just throwing a comment out for "consideration" is all

[Doug Phillips]

The way I look at it anyone interested participating should belong to a club anyway in order to help support to the overall sport. Everyone wins.

What is needed is a simple way for someone to join a club of their choice at the event similiar to the online signup that the CASC-OR site has available.

Can a generic form and list of clubs be made available at the events to allow peple to sign up?

I never did get my WOSCA membership card last year.

Doug

[Marsh]

Originally posted by Doug Phillips
The way I look at it anyone interested participating should belong to a club anyway in order to help support to the overall sport. Everyone wins.

What is needed is a simple way for someone to join a club of their choice at the event similiar to the online signup that the CASC-OR site has available.

Can a generic form and list of clubs be made available at the events to allow peple to sign up?

I never did get my WOSCA membership card last year.

Doug

We've revised the way we do things and this won't happen again. You pay, you get a card.

The problem last year was that our membership co-ordinator quit mid-season and a lot of things got lost in the shuffle.

[Doug Phillips]

Originally posted by Marsh
We've revised the way we do things and this won't happen again. You pay, you get a card.

The problem last year was that our membership co-ordinator quit mid-season and a lot of things got lost in the shuffle.

No problem.

Hoping you have another lapping day!

[Wedge]

Originally posted by Doug Phillips
Can a generic form and list of clubs be made available at the events to allow peple to sign up?


Something like that is available online: http://www.casc.on.ca/joinAClub.php

[Doug Phillips]

Originally posted by Wedge
Something like that is available online: http://www.casc.on.ca/joinAClub.php

A paper copy at each event should be available to allow someone to choose and join a club on the spot.

[tanney]

That would be up the the hosting club to arrange.

I am trying to run a series, not a club membership drive. If someone wanted to join, say, TAC at a WOSCA event, then a TAC rep would need to be at the WOSCA event to process the membership. Either that or the person could just join WOSCA (which actually makes more sense).

Once I get through the schedule, the rule book, PAX, etc. then I will start talking to the hosting clubs to work out the logistics.

All of the OSO (Ontario Solo Organizers, which organize the Solo 1 events) clubs will be taking memberships at the Open House on April 3rd, but the better bet is to join a club in advance and get your membership cards before the open house.

[tanney]

:D You know it!

Take a look at the "Calling Mr. Wes Tanney" and "Time for rules questions" thread as well.

I expected to be treated like a god, with everyone worshipping the ground I walked on, hangin on every word and making it gospel.

Man was I disappointed :(

[Wedge]

Originally posted by jason_alt
Typical. Something as simple as this, and it turns into a multipage debate. Only in the Solo2 forums.

There's no debate here. ;)
Just an exchange of ideas and information.

[finboy]

Originally posted by tanney
Just a heads up......

It will be manditory that all competitors show the current and valid CASC-OR affiliated club membership cards when registering for the series or the events (ASN Canada FIA affiliated club membership or SCCA membership will also be accepted for event registration).



Q: hey Wes or TK

for the Regional events, other than having a CASC-OR affiliated
club membership

do you still have to be series registered....or can you still "walk on" (being a member of a CASC-or aff.. club)

eg. a hosting local club is putting on a regional event
can the club members participate?

or is only for those who are Series registered for the Regional series?


(sorry if this info is posted... i did a quick search... )

[finboy]

Originally posted by tanney
Yes, the rule book states that you need to be a member of a CASC-OR affiliated club to participate (or another club recognozed by ASN Canada FIA or the SCCA).

This year it will be enforced!

Solo 1 has been issuing temp memberships for newbies for a couple of years and it seems to work for them.

The club events are the events that newbies coming out should get involved with first. The regionals are the next step up. You don't usually step into Formula Atlantic unless you've at least done some F1600 first.



never mind.. i think you answered it here

so just to give my head a shake...

as long as you have a CASC-OR afff club membership.. you can still run in the series.. right?

just not scored???