Prep Point Question: Turbo Chargers

[Methanoxide]

I'm a little confused over what prep points I will be required to take if I turbo charge my Toyota Paseo.
Will I be required to take the 2 points for headers and 2 points for the boost controller?

I will be using an OEM header and boost controller from a JDM spec Toyota Starlet to be put on my Toyota Paseo.

Thanks in advance.

[Tony Kloosterma]

I'll take a stab at this
4 points for the turbo charger
2 points for a non OE header,
no points for boost controller if it is the stock boost controller for that turbo.
If you have to change injectors it is a furthur 2 points.

You're heading for MOD COUNTRY pretty fast. then it won't matter.

Tony

[dgg]

I think you will find that adding the turbo puts you in MOD class, class is calculated as 1.4 times the displacement, ie: 1.4 x 1.6l = 2.25 l, or D-MOD.

Then you are free to really modify your car.

daveg

[Tony Kloosterma]

adding a turbo is allowed in SP.
You don't have to go directly to mod

[Wedge]

Originally posted by Tony Kloosterma
I'll take a stab at this
4 points for the turbo charger
2 points for a non OE header,


I thought that a turbo header was included in the 4 points claimed for the turbo?

Don't worry, he'll stay out of mod. He's continuing with all the mods that I had planned to beat Joe. All he needs now is a better suspension, and an LSD, and soon he will have acheived my Ultimate FSP Paseo! :eek:

[Methanoxide]

*edit* erased old message because I can't read....

[gatherer]

I'm thinking along the same lines as Wedge...

if we look at this based on points for everything it be 10 points in total...

4 for the turbo
2 for injectors
2 for header
2 for ecu change

however if you were to add a supercharger it just be 8 points...

4 for the charger
2 for injectors
2 for the ecu

however some super chargers also replce the intake manifold. does this mean you have to take the 2 points for the intake manifold change as well?

in the end if it 10 points to do everything then you have 5 points left for suspension... in which you can for the most part do everything you need to..

3 for springs and bushings and braces and all that stuff
2 for a front and rear sway bar change

presto your set... hmmm maybe I'll get a turbo.

[Wedge]

Originally posted by gatherer
presto your set... hmmm maybe I'll get a turbo.

I'm pretty sure you'll get protested for running a turbo in stock class....:p

[finboy]

Originally posted by gatherer

however if you were to add a supercharger it just be 8 points...

4 for the charger
2 for injectors
2 for the ecu

however some super chargers also replce the intake manifold. does this mean you have to take the 2 points for the intake manifold change as well?


JD... stay on topic...

[Methanoxide]

I'm not changing my ECU :eek:

[J.C.]

Originally posted by gatherer
however some super chargers also replce the intake manifold. does this mean you have to take the 2 points for the intake manifold change as well?

It depends the 2 points you are already taking for the injection system may already allow for the manifold change. Read the criteria and see where your specific one ends up.


Originally posted by Methanoxide
I'm not changing my ECU :eek:

Note: A reprogram to the ECU would constitute a change.


Last years condensed points form for those that have not seen it.

http://www.solo2ontario.com/info/documents/2004_solo2_prep_schedule.pdf

[tanney]

[quote]4 points for the turbo charger
2 points for a non OE header,
no points for boost controller if it is the stock boost controller for that turbo.
If you have to change injectors it is a furthur 2 points.
[end quote]

That and, as mentioned, the ECU if it is replaced or altered, another 2 points

Yes, this is allowed in SP!

[Methanoxide]

ECU is remaining stock. Hopefully the check valves work so the ECU wont see the boost.

Why would I have to take 2 points for the header that came with the turbo but I don't have to take the 2 points for the boost controller because it came with the turbo.. This doesn't make sense to me or am I missing something?

edit: Also I only need to take points for the ECU if it alters the boost settings DIRECTLY.
as stated clearly in Section 6.5-H-iii Alternate ECU's/chips may be used on normally aspirated vehicles. Alternate ECU's/chips may be used on forced induction vehicles only if the ECU/chip does not DIRECTLY alter boost settings. If boost settings are directly altered by the ECU/chip then the appropriate preparation points must be taken as per the preparation point table.

Most ECU's of forced induction systems simply add more fuel as a result of increased pressure but this is not altering boost settings in any way, controller does this.

[gatherer]

isn't a boost controller just another ecu that works like a piggy back system????

[Methanoxide]

99% of the time they are completely seperate units from the cars ECU. Even if the boost controller was a piggy-back unit you still wouldn't get the points for the ECU because it states that the ECU has to DIRECTLY alter boost settings.

[thekid]

Originally posted by Methanoxide
99% of the time they are completely seperate units from the cars ECU. Even if the boost controller was a piggy-back unit you still wouldn't get the points for the ECU because it states that the ECU has to DIRECTLY alter boost settings.

However, it is my understanding, that engine management (ie. stand alone or piggy back) is only free if it does not control boost settings or shift points, otherwise it's 2 points, but then if your ems does thsi you don't have to take an additional 2 pts for a boost controller.

[dgg]

Although it is possible to do the engine mods within SP, there is little room left to complete the suspension and LSD, within the 15 points available.

If he targets D-Mod, he will not have any limitations, and be able to build an ftd car.

daveg

[Wedge]

Originally posted by dgg
Although it is possible to do the engine mods within SP, there is little room left to complete the suspension and LSD, within the 15 points available.

If he targets D-Mod, he will not have any limitations, and be able to build an ftd car.


Are you kidding? There are tons of FTD capable SP cars around here! Besides, LSD's are free in SP, and 3 points for suspension has already been factored into his total. That leaves 12 points for engine mods. But in the worst case scenario, the most he'll have to claim for the engine is 10 (though it'll probably only need to be 8). Which still leaves 2 points for weight reduction, like hood removal and such....

[dgg]

....and I guess he could add extinguishers, and even a roll bar to offset if he really needed. OK, so SP then.

daveg