CASC-OR Solo II Team Championship Challenge!!! [Archive]

gatherer

03-06-2005, 10:40 AM

Hello Everyone,

I'd like to proudly announce the CASC-OR Solo II Team Championship Challenge. The rules for the first year of starting this championship will be supplementary to the CASC-OR solo 2 rulebook. The following link is to the challenge's rules and regulations. I will post the registration form later today for those that want to start getting their teams organized. I'd like to thank Wes Tanney and Tony Kloosterman for their help and support in writing these rules.

Anyways, without further ado here are the rules:

CASC-OR Solo II Team Championship Rules (http://www.drummondmotorsports.com/docs/Ontario_Team_Challenge.doc)

Regards,

Jason Drummond

As per Finboy :p adding the registration stuff to this post see below:

hello everyone,

here is the registration form. This can be filled out and emailed to me by the team captain, I'll make sure to have them at the open house if they are emailed to me no later then april 1st 2005. This allows you to make it really easy on the day of the open house, you walk in, you pay registration fee, have your team sign the registration form and your all done. This will also allow me to have a look at how many teams there might be for the series.

Registration form (http://www.drummondmotorsports.com/docs/Team_reg_form.doc)

I can be emailed at jason.drummond[remove this blah blah]@bell.ca

regards,

Jason.

Tashko

03-06-2005, 10:48 AM

linky no worky!

gatherer

03-06-2005, 10:50 AM

I've fixed it, I can't read this early in the morning.

Tony Kloosterma

03-06-2005, 11:17 AM

Let the REAL smack talk begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

gatherer

03-06-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Tony Kloosterma
Let the REAL smack talk begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

everyone has to figure who's on who's team first :p

JoeT

03-06-2005, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by gatherer
everyone has to figure who's on who's team first :p

Some people may already know... LOL :D

gatherer

03-06-2005, 12:14 PM

Joe,

you seem to be all ready to go for this season. :p

hello everyone,

here is the registration form. This can be filled out and emailed to me by the team captain, I'll make sure to have them at the open house if they are emailed to me no later then april 1st 2005. This allows you to make it really easy on the day of the open house, you walk in, you pay registration fee, have your team sign the registration form and your all done. This will also allow me to have a look at how many teams there might be for the series.

Registration form (http://www.drummondmotorsports.com/docs/Team_reg_form.doc)

I can be emailed at jason.drummond[remove this blah blah]@bell.ca

regards,

Jason.

finboy

03-06-2005, 01:41 PM

if you want to build more hype..

JD.. send an article after every event to GRM, PAS or Sport compact national

the team thing is a good idea

the smack talk will probably start in house first

vs.

team vs. team

BUT.... edit and throw the team registration form in with your first post

thekid

03-06-2005, 01:54 PM

7. The CASC-OR Solo 2 Committee will determine the eligibility of the team during registration.

Isn't this a bit arbitrary? at the solo 2 workshop you had preliminary rules to govern this, now without rules, how do we know what is allowed as a team???

I would hate to register for a team, and then later find out that we can't do it, and having turned down other team possibilities.

gatherer

03-06-2005, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by thekid
Isn't this a bit arbitrary? at the solo 2 workshop you had preliminary rules to govern this, now without rules, how do we know what is allowed as a team???

I would hate to register for a team, and then later find out that we can't do it, and having turned down other team possibilities.

basically that rule is there for a certain type of situation.

you can team up with anyone you want too provided..

1) they are not on other teams

2) you have 4 people

that rule is there so that if persons 1, 2, 3, and 4 form team A then persons 4, 5, 6, 7 cannot form team B because person 4 is already on Team A.

Other then that it's open. This is because it's based on overall results which are PAX and only 1 person per event will score 100 points for that event we don't have to worry about points from last year being used to even out the teams.

finboy

03-06-2005, 02:19 PM

registration deadline?

scoring individual paxed against everyone right?

gatherer

03-06-2005, 02:23 PM

reg deadline is in the rules before the start of the second event

yes scores as such...

for event 1 the overall results (for event 1) are published by Wes. The overall this year is determined by PAX so everyone will be PAXed against everyone else.

I take all individual scores for each member of a team and add them all together. This becomes the Team's Event 1 score.

the is repeated of all the events

then I take all 10 events and I find the best 6 scores for each team. I add those together to form the Team's overall score. Team with the highest overall score wins. and so on.

thekid

03-06-2005, 03:10 PM

gatherer

03-06-2005, 03:22 PM

you're welcome

max attack

03-06-2005, 05:27 PM

I pick Pat Yorke,Stephen Tong and Bill Rogerson(I assume Tony K and JoeT are sticking with sube guys)to join me for a team.;)

I think that's pretty gutsy picking with 3 of the 4 in mod classes.:)

A team of say H stock guy's would be a pax monster.:(

gatherer

03-06-2005, 05:40 PM

Tom now get them to sign the registration form :p

max attack

03-06-2005, 05:53 PM

Jason the problem is I'd certainly be the dog in that group!:o

I wouldn't want to be the one holding the team back ya know!

gatherer

03-06-2005, 05:55 PM

it's a new season Tom you never know what will happen ... it's part of the excitement of it all

13inches

03-06-2005, 08:02 PM

Great job taking the reigns on this one JD!

Now if only someone was looking for an underdeveloped driver in an underprepped car for their team...... :(

haniforama

03-06-2005, 08:48 PM

Hmmm - maybe I should keep the H-stock beater :)

I have a line on some Koni yellows that should calm some of the suspension movements, then maybe a drop-in filter, cat back exhaust, fresh bushings, replacement clutch....

I can already feel my walllet begin to lighten... That doesn't cost a point does it? :D

Hanif

Wedge

03-07-2005, 12:52 AM

Will the prizes be awarded per event? Or only at the end of the season?

gatherer

03-07-2005, 02:22 AM

end of season.

miataboi

03-07-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by max attack
I pick Pat Yorke,Stephen Tong and Bill Rogerson(I assume Tony K and JoeT are sticking with sube guys)to join me for a team.;)

I think that's pretty gutsy picking with 3 of the 4 in mod classes.:)

A team of say H stock guy's would be a pax monster.:(

If you believe that 4 h-stock guys would clean up... it means a lot of things.... 1) that H-stock pax is WHACK. It may change for '05 remember.

secondly... that the top 4 guys will ALL be in h-stock? that's not giving the other classes much credit... and assumes no tight corners or long straights!

:eek:

That team would NOT win... nor would any team with 3 mod-cars.

gatherer

03-07-2005, 03:00 PM

Miataboi,

got it all figured out eh? :p

Pax never stays the same as far as I know

13inches

03-07-2005, 03:25 PM

I thought PAX was changing at each event this year?

:confused:

Oops...I've already said too much.......

max attack

03-07-2005, 09:14 PM

Miataboi I stand corrected,for kicks I took 3 random events from 2004 to compare paxed times.DS and GS come out way ahead after corrected.
For example-CM paxed to 49.617,ESP paxed to 46.175,CSS to 44.391,GS 42.552,HS 44.833.
2nd event,CM 42.906,DSS 40.385,ESP 41.647,DS 40.177,GS 40.186,HS 41.235.
3rd event,CM 42.854,ESP 42.814,DS 41.859,GS40.186,HS 41.235

Your right that 3 or 4 mod guys would have nearly 0 chance-hence my comment on the gutsy pick thing;)(would be nice to have the fastest outright team though)

A team made up with 4 guys in stock or nearly stock classes would certainly seem to have an advantage.I'm not saying anything about changing pax etc,could care less really(I all I care about is winning my class)there's good drivers in every class but once your allowed tons of mods the variables about chassis set-up,engine power,tire choice and driver ability to wring out every last bit out of those mods goes up with it.
The faster the car the more knife edged driving it becomes,most lots aren't real smooth so stock can be more forgiving for sure.

gatherer

03-07-2005, 09:54 PM

PAX is changing according to the provisional rule book sent out to the BoD's of the clubs...

But I don't remember seeing that it's changing throughout the season.

miataboi

03-07-2005, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by gatherer
PAX is changing according to the provisional rule book sent out to the BoD's of the clubs...

But I don't remember seeing that it's changing throughout the season.

Yeah man... WTF?

You can't really arbitrarily change pax throughout the year / or per event!!!

That's just ASKING for more B.S. - and hell... I'll be the first!

You guys confused the hell outta me... both you and Ryan's last posts....

I think the values may change... but once they're set... they're set for '05... unless there's an OBVIOUS / GROSS error with a class... but I doubt that'll be the case... only relatively minor tweaks with a couple of exceptions that needed addressing from last year... is my guess.

Can anyone clarify? Do you guys know something about how PAX will work in '05 that I dont?

tony mcgrath

03-08-2005, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by miataboi
Yeah man... WTF?

You can't really arbitrarily change pax throughout the year / or per event!!!

Can anyone clarify? Do you guys know something about how PAX will work in '05 that I dont?

not to worry Jeff- just get Cordiero, Kloosterman and Lebjuk on your team and you'll win it no matter what happens with PAX. ;)

My crystal ball sees it all!! :)

tony

gatherer

03-08-2005, 01:11 AM

MiataBoi,

I took another look (just for you) and the PAX is used in the same way as last year just different numbers (no major drastic changes and based on the work done by a few people) Anyways it says at the numbers that it's governed by section 5.5.A

5.5.A

A. Overall Championship Points Formula

The CASC-OR PAX factoring system shall be used to determine overall event scores for all competitors. 100.0 points will be awarded for first place overall finisher. The intent of the PAX is to allow competitors all competitors to be scored against each other based on an indexed handicap. Each event will have an event Pax factor calculated from the average "fastest factored" time. All other competitors will then be factored relative to event pax.

Decimals will be rounded off to three (3) places. A Competitor recording a D.N.F. for an event will not be scored.

The PAX index shall be published at the beginning of each competition year as extrapolated from SCCA National PAX index with adjustments for Super Stock category and adjusted based on past results from Canadian Competition; see Section 7.5 for current PAX numbers. This index shall be reviewed regularly and changed at the CASC-OR Solo 2 Directors discretion. No competitor in any situation will receive more than 100 points.

Now that basically states how it was done. I think the line that reads " this index shall be reviewed regularly and changed at the CASC-OR solo 2 director's discertion." is the line that would allow event by event PAX. however that third paragraph was in section 5.5.B for the 2004 rule book and we didn't see any changes in PAX. I don't think there is anything to worry about.

Disclaimer: Please note I am quoting for a provisional rule book. the rules quoted may or may not be included in the rule book.

Anyways I hope that clears it up.

miataboi

03-08-2005, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by tony mcgrath
not to worry Jeff- just get Cordiero, Kloosterman and Lebjuk on your team and you'll win it no matter what happens with PAX.

My crystal ball sees it all!! :)

tony

Screw those guys! Cordeiro doesn't shave on the weekends... makes those after-event "celebrations" very prickly... and Kloosterman??? MAYBE the young one... but not the grandpa-type one!!!! He's older than YOU!!!! And LebJuk??? How do you even pronounce that??? Leb-yuke? Lub-chuck? Whatever... Gimme a good Scottish, Irish or English name...

Like Tony McGrath... Italian - Scotish... even though you're German!
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Wait... I don't even have a team yet... and I'm trash-talking everyone...

DOH!
:eek:

miataboi

03-08-2005, 01:21 AM

The reason I don't mind this team thing... is that it really won't change how you drive... as it's just balls-deep - all-out... and whatever ends up happening with the team thing afterwards... is a footnote.

It also rewards the team that's the best... on the same days... no use with one being bad on any given day... so it's the team that ALL goes to bed early, together... so to speak.

GO TEAM PINK!

tony mcgrath

03-08-2005, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by miataboi

so it's the team that ALL goes to bed early, together... so to speak.

Go to bed jeff...

:D :D

Tony

Wedge

03-08-2005, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by miataboi
Screw those guys! Cordeiro doesn't shave on the weekends... makes those after-event "celebrations" very prickly...

What exactly do you plan on doing with him at those after parties? :confused: :eek:

tony mcgrath

03-08-2005, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Wedge
What exactly do you plan on doing with him at those after parties? :confused: :eek:

"What happens in the van , stays in the van";)

tony

Wedge

03-08-2005, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by tony mcgrath
"What happens in the van , stays in the van";)

tony

I can't believe, of ALL the quotes from last year, THAT is the one that's stuck around the longest...:rolleyes:

J.C.

03-08-2005, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by Wedge
What exactly do you plan on doing with him at those after parties? :confused: :eek:

I guess you did not hear about that last Detroit SCCA event :eek:

13inches

03-08-2005, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by 13inches
I thought PAX was changing at each event this year?

:confused:

Oops...I've already said too much....... Who woulda thought one little joking comment would cause so much confusion?

The sad part is, Miataboi HAS the final draft of the rulebook......

:(

miataboi

03-08-2005, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by 13inches
Who woulda thought one little joking comment would cause so much confusion?

The sad part is, Miataboi HAS the final draft of the rulebook......

:(

Final Draft.
Jumbo Shrimp
Military Inteligence
Nice run Ryan

left my rulebook at work - where I do my best auto-x thinking.
:D :p

andrew1984

03-08-2005, 12:08 PM

Don't worry, I always shave for special occasions.

miataboi

03-08-2005, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by andrew1984
Don't worry, I always shave for special occasions.

This is true.
;) :D ;)

gatherer

03-08-2005, 03:14 PM

I've heard rumours of an all female team...

13inches

03-08-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by gatherer
I've heard rumours of an all female team... :)

holliko

03-08-2005, 04:22 PM

pick me pick me..... I feel left out..... This is how the results pax'd out based on last years numbers

There could be some strong teams in those top 25 people...

Robert
:p

As posted by Wes is this thread:

http://racing.kos.net/soloforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3722&perpage=15&highlight=robert&pagenumber=6

Steve did indeed win the overall under pax;
The top 25 looks something like this (well exactly like this);

1 Stephen T SCS 03 Mazda Miata 597.926
2 Ralph O SGS 99 Honda Prelude 597.855
3 Wes T RDSS 92 Honda Civic Si 590.430
4 Marshall M RDSS 97 Honda Prelude 590.409
5 Brian S N SDS 03 Mazdaspeed Protege 589.414
6 Robert T N SCS 00 Mazda Miata 587.098
7 Tony M PDSP 97 VW Golf GTi 586.981
8 Jay W RCSS 01 Mazda Miata 584.823
9 Andrew C PDSP 01 VW Golf GTi 583.881
10 Shane G RDSS 95 Acura Integra 583.452
11 Simon S SHS 00 Mazda Protege 583.387
12 Paul K PCSP 91 Mazda Miata 582.926
13 Daniel F RESS 02 Subaru WRX 579.575
14 Jason D SHS 93 Honda Civic 579.443
15 Joe T PFSP 00 Subaru Legacy GT 577.941
16 Alain H SAS 04 Subaru STi 577.633
17 Mike B SHS 91 Isuzu Impulse 576.912
18 Tony K PESP 02 Subaru WRX 576.876
19 Mike A PDSP 00 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS 575.041
20 Ryan K N SHS 04 Toyota Echo 573.740
21 Doug L RDSS 03 Mazda MazdaSpeed 573.694
22 Ivano D N SHS 00 Subaru Legacy 573.543
23 Trung D N SAS 04 Subaru Impreza STI 572.306
24 Stefan L RDSS 01 Dodge Neon 572.254
25 Eric R SCS 01 Mazda Miata 572.182

gatherer

03-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Stephen, Wes , Ralph and Marshall on a team that would be something. but at the same time Pax has changed (which changes the order, of which I've seen the different order same top 10 just different placing) And Ralph's car has been re-classed for the stock classes in 2005... I'm sure he'll be just as fast but he'll have a different PAX number to contend with.

when it comes down to it it's all a numbers. game..

so has anyone formed a team yet?

miataboi

03-08-2005, 05:54 PM

How about a Miata, an Insight, an Echo and a Beetle???
Team Chick-Car!

Or a Mustang, 'Vette, Camaro and a Chevelle???
Team Torque
Team Compensate
Team Hairy-back

Or a Legacy, WRX, STi and a 2.5 RS??
Team let it rain.

andrew1984

03-08-2005, 07:50 PM

hey f-that,

im on team torque!

:D

opal

03-08-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by andrew1984
hey f-that,

im on team torque!

:D

You know it's time for winter to END already when you misread that as "Team Toque"

Anyone want to be on Team Blind? Ahem. (Stupid lasik mutterhissgrowl)

miataboi

03-08-2005, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by opal

Anyone want to be on Team Blind? Ahem.

I'm getting there....
:eek: ;) :D :D

spoonie

03-08-2005, 11:10 PM

is there a Team Understeer yet?

gatherer

03-09-2005, 02:27 PM

I know of one team thats been created 2 DSS guys 1 FSP guy and an HS guy....

anyone else firm up plans?

and it's a strong team... 3 of the members are in the top 20 as posted by miataboi

holliko

03-09-2005, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by gatherer
I know of one team thats been created 2 DSS guys 1 FSP guy and an HS guy....

anyone else firm up plans?

and it's a strong team... 3 of the members are in the top 20 as posted by miataboi

ryan k and tony K are on that team.... my guess

thekid

03-09-2005, 03:12 PM

spoonie

03-09-2005, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by holliko
ryan k and tony K are on the same team.... my guess

that's really not a nice thing to say about those guys. they ARE both married, right?

:D

Tony Kloosterma

03-09-2005, 08:15 PM

not on the same team and both not married:D

miataboi

03-09-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Tony Kloosterma
not on the same team and both not married:D

At least a LITTLE curious perhaps??? ;) ;) ;)

gatherer

03-14-2005, 10:28 AM

My team is going to win, it's going to kick all other team's Butts.

So who has got a team finalized?

holliko

03-14-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by gatherer
My team is going to win, it's going to kick all other team's Butts.

So who has got a team finalized?

I guess it's easier for those with copies of the 2005 PAX index and 2005 rules to finailze and think thru the car and team development.... :D :D :D :confused:

gatherer

03-14-2005, 11:47 AM

actually for me I asked a few HADA guys and looked after wards to see where they placed... and all I had was the list Miataboi posted. the work I did on PAX was done using class winning time at each event and therefore never had a list of how the season would have looked had PAX been used.

but hey if you want the file I did my work in (won't help in selecting a team) just drop me an email.

tanney

03-14-2005, 11:48 AM

7.5. Ontario Performance Adjusted Index (PAX)
2005 CASC-OR Solo II Championship Series Ontario PAX Numbers are to be used to score the overall championship as described in section 5.5.A.
SS 0.837 ASS 0.844 ASP 0.865 AM 1.000
AS 0.828 BSS 0.835 BSP 0.860 BM 0.940
BS 0.826 CSS 0.834 CSP 0.856 CM 0.886
CS 0.813 DSS 0.816 DSP 0.838 DM 0.894
DS 0.798 ESS 0.821 ESP 0.845
ES 0.804 FSS 0.810 FSP 0.833
FS 0.806
GS 0.786
HS 0.779

gatherer

03-14-2005, 12:07 PM

now that PAX is posted, you have to ask yourself "do you feel lucky?" :p

StewPiddass

03-14-2005, 01:08 PM

Cool, DSS went up and FSP went down... gives me a better chance against those guys overall, wait, 2 of them are on my team...

gatherer

03-14-2005, 02:39 PM

really? 2 of them are on my team too... hey wait are you trying to steal my team members? ohhh no don't go there Stewpiddass! :p

Marsh

03-14-2005, 03:30 PM

How many people are running DSS this year, because I might have two there as well?

gatherer

03-14-2005, 04:02 PM

Marsh probably quite a few...

in my last post I was hinting at who the 4th person was on my team... happens to run FSP.

StewPiddass

03-14-2005, 04:06 PM

Just tell 'em Jason...

Wes, Shane. Jason and I have formed a HADA team (as far as I know) That's 2 DSS, 1 FSP and a HS.

gatherer

03-14-2005, 04:29 PM

yep thats us.

JAYh

03-14-2005, 04:36 PM

I'm going to be woefully out of my league in DSS this year aren't I?

- J

ShaneG

03-14-2005, 04:42 PM

Wes, Shane. Jason and I have formed a HADA team (as far as I know) That's 2 DSS, 1 FSP and a HS.

Well, don't that take all the suspense out of it:D

not like it was a secret.:rolleyes:

andrew1984

03-14-2005, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by ShaneG
Well, don't that take all the suspense out of it:D

not like it was a secret.:rolleyes:

:eek:

ShaneG

03-14-2005, 09:34 PM

Andrew, D00d are you gonna start using words with more than one syllable

:confused: :eek: :p ;) :D

finboy

03-15-2005, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by 13inches
:)

what happened??

Wes "Tranny" Tanney??

aka the transmission killer???

:confused:

miataboi

03-19-2005, 09:02 AM

Who needs a teammate?

Greg F

03-19-2005, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by miataboi
Who needs a teammate?

Team Williams? Pads and Insurance? Sounds good to me.

andrew1984

03-21-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by tanney
7.5. Ontario Performance Adjusted Index (PAX)
2005 CASC-OR Solo II Championship Series Ontario PAX Numbers are to be used to score the overall championship as described in section 5.5.A.
SS 0.837 ASS 0.844 ASP 0.865 AM 1.000
AS 0.828 BSS 0.835 BSP 0.860 BM 0.940
BS 0.826 CSS 0.834 CSP 0.856 CM 0.886
CS 0.813 DSS 0.816 DSP 0.838 DM 0.894
DS 0.798 ESS 0.821 ESP 0.845
ES 0.804 FSS 0.810 FSP 0.833
FS 0.806
GS 0.786
HS 0.779

Wow, these pax factors are to my advantage now!

What size rubber will fit on my R?

;)