Solo 2 Bulletin b05-16

[tanney]

The first (and probably not the last) Solo 2 bulletin has been issued, with a few classification issues and a course design issue changed.

Please follow the following link to the Solo 2 Bulletin b05-16 (http://www.casc.on.ca/documents/b05-16.pdf)

[miataboi]

...all good upgrades...

thanks for your continued hard work.

[Marsh]

You deleted the minimum turn radius rule? That's a little surprising.

[tanney]

With the 10m minimum turning radius, that would elliminate and use of pin cones...... Some clubs that run on smaller lots use pin cones and since that section applies to all Solo 2 events in Ontario (regional and club) it was removed.

[Doug P]

pin cones are for sissys!

[gatherer]

so will pin turns now be found at regionals?

[miataboi]

I actually don't like pin-turns when you consider that high AND low powered cars are in the same class... and we're judging overall by pax...

as the low lowered cars are inherently hurt WAY more than the hi-po ones...

Having said that... I think they're fun as hell and do require a lot of skill and precision to execute properly...

Just REALLY seperates the high from low-powered car... 'tis all.
eg. Miata and Type-R or Miata and SRT-4... or Miata and RSX-S last year...

It doesn't help flow... and I'd like to NOT see them in regionals...


BUT...
TIGHT turns like this is why I decided to bolt-on torque... to compensate for the car's inherent weakness... so that regardless of course design I could do OK....

I was not going to be subject to a course designer to dictate how well I did on a given day, any longer....

[MR2SC]

10m radius minimum is huge.
Some lots I've seen are lucky to be even 20m across.
This would have really limited what those smaller locations could do.

[Marsh]

Originally posted by MR2SC
10m radius minimum is huge.
Some lots I've seen are lucky to be even 20m across.
This would have really limited what those smaller locations could do.

Well if you have 20m across, and your tightest turn is a pin turn that uses the entire thing (read Mosport skidpad) then that's a 10m turn. I wouldn't mind making the distance smaller to keep some of the tight lots legal, but I personally think the rule should stay.

[gatherer]

Mosport skid pad for the record was repaved with super sticky pavement ... incredible grip at the solo 1 school

[max attack]

So Miataboi-if you can't blame the course if/when you fail to do well then what will be your next excuse?:D

Yes I'm not a fan of pin turns but I think in general it doesn't favor one car with power over one without,the reason being that in general a car with more power is heavier than a low powered car and while they hi-po car gets from the pin turn to the next turn quicker the entry and tight radius should favor the lighter car and even things out fairly well.

I know with my corolla that I did ok on really tight AND really open courses,surprise to me for sure considering being agaisnt fwd and awd cars with in same cases over twice the hp and tq.I'm in the same postion this yearwith the FFR's,still half the hp and 1/3 the tq-looking forward to seeing how I stack up(if my car gets finished AND the 710's show up in time)

[MR2SC]

It comes down to driver skill. A course with a mix of fast and flowing with some tight and technical balances the playing field. Everything with open and hammer down doesn't test the full skill set. Not to mention your car set up and understanding your car’s traction circle characteristic, car balance etc.

[miataboi]

Originally posted by max attack
So Miataboi-if you can't blame the course if/when you fail to do well then what will be your next excuse?:D

Yes I'm not a fan of pin turns but I think in general it doesn't favor one car with power over one without,the reason being that in general a car with more power is heavier than a low powered car and while they hi-po car gets from the pin turn to the next turn quicker the entry and tight radius should favor the lighter car and even things out fairly well.


My next excuse... is not enough sleep... CAUSE I WAS UP ALL NIGHT WITH YO' MOMMA!
:D

No real excuses.

Pin turns often precede longer straights. ALL cars have to slow for the pin (DAMNED physics) ... but those that have torque and accel well dominate over those momentum cars without the grunt.

Of this, there can be no doubt.

Thick comparative accel in a straight line... vs. momentum through corners.

Miata = more mementum... RSX-R or SRT-4 is more straight line accel... WHICH would have an advantage on a point-and-shoot course with tight turns... and longish straights after them?
:(

Not my problem anymore.
:D :p

[Marsh]

Originally posted by MR2SC
It comes down to driver skill. A course with a mix of fast and flowing with some tight and technical balances the playing field. Everything with open and hammer down doesn't test the full skill set. Not to mention your car set up and understanding your car’s traction circle characteristic, car balance etc.

The question isn't whether or not there should be a technical part, it's how tight is too tight. Many cars, namely Talons, Preludes and Accords, have power steering issues, not to mention that many sports cars have turning circles even bigger than american sedans (prelude included), so tight switch backs render those cars completely useless. The reason I lost my cool at the St. LAC regional last year is because the course design cost me the event. The last 3 corners could not be done cleanly at any speed above idle, and that had nothing to do with tire grip. It's unfortunate that good course designers often forget that you have to make it fair for everyone, so that's why we have a rule.

Thank god this year we have a comitee to specifically enforce these rules.

[Wedge]

Originally posted by Marsh
The question isn't whether or not there should be a technical part, it's how tight is too tight. Many cars, namely Talons, Preludes and Accords, have power steering issues, not to mention that many sports cars have turning circles even bigger than american sedans (prelude included), so tight switch backs render those cars completely useless.

Courses should not be designed to put any specific car at a disadvantage. That's why the design rules are important.
But, having said that. Course designers should not cater to any given car either. If your car has a known disadvantage, like a power steering issue, that's not the course designers problem. It's up to you to do something about it, or choose a different car.
Being the best driver is not the only skill needed to win events. You must also be able to choose the best car for the job, and prepare it to the best of your ability.

[max attack]

Hate to burst your bubble but my momma likes MEN!(as opposed to chick car drivers)

Not too prove a point but my corolla with an open diff(redered 1st gear completly useless)and 115ish hp had the wrx's,itr's,cooper S's etc etc covered at all events for those 2 years I was there.Didn't matter if it was the skidpad or the corvette club events.

[miataboi]

Originally posted by max attack
Hate to burst your bubble but my momma likes MEN!(as opposed to chick car drivers)

Not too prove a point but my corolla with an open diff(redered 1st gear completly useless)and 115ish hp had the wrx's,itr's,cooper S's etc etc covered at all events for those 2 years I was there.Didn't matter if it was the skidpad or the corvette club events.

...perhaps you are just a better driver?
:confused:

[max attack]

I'd like that to be true but I hesitate to let myself think that for fear of being labeled cocky or arrogant etc.Besides when its Mr tong/Mcgrath driving the cooper's on hoosiers and some other drivers with proven talent its hard for me to believe I'm on that level.