Registration

[Tony Kloosterma]

For the most part registraion has gone smoothly for the first 3 events except that we have had people arrive late at all of them.
In Picton it was about 6 people (4 were 45 minutes late), In Oshawa it was 3 people (1 was an hour late), in woodstock another 4 people (25 minutes late)

Registration opens at 730 sharp.
I am always there early and registration has never opened late. For all future events registration will close at 09:00 ( that will be by the watch on my wrist)
If you arrive after that be prepared to be a spectator the balance of the day or just go home.
If you bitch about it, you can be the registrar next year. I will gladly hand over the books and responsibility.

You have a responsibility to arrive on time. We are all adults and know how to set alarms. If you are travelling then allow time for construction, accidents and acts of god. If its a long drive and if you can't get up early in the morning go the night before and pitch a tent., l'll wake you when i arrive a the site.

Thanks

Tony

[miataboi]

If its a long drive and if you can't get up early in the morning go the night before and pitch a tent., l'll wake you when i arrive a the site.

Thanks

Tony

I'll set my alarm EARLY thanks... your face is NOT what I want to see when I roll-over first thing in the morning!

[J.C.]

I'll set my alarm EARLY thanks... your face is NOT what I want to see when I roll-over first thing in the morning!

Trust me Tony, JW rolling over in bed & looking at you is NOT something you want to see either :rolleyes:




Oh my god I just had a flashback! :eek:

[Wedge]

Oh my god I just had a flashback! :eek:

Must be a Van thing.... :confused:

[Tony Kloosterma]

JC, make sure Andrew reads this.

Tony

[DareBee]

Trust me Tony, JW rolling over in bed & looking at you is NOT something you want to see either :rolleyes: :



ESPECIALLY IF HE HAS A TENT PITCHED! OMFG :eek:

[Riskbabe]

My assumption here will be that the 4 people who turned up late to Woodstock were turned away. Is that assumption correct? If not correct (and it certainly looks like it may not be) then that would mean drivers are not being treated fairly…

We were en route, erroneously relying on the WOSCA website that registration was open until 10am (yes, I know, apparently Regional rules supercede) and we had our late and pending arrival checked with organizers and were DECLINED late registration SO WE DIDN’T BITCH, using your word, WE WENT HOME. Not only did I not get to drive but I also let my team down and had to apologize to them for my mistake.

We have a responsibility to be big boys and girls and arrive on time but the organizers have the responsibility to apply the rules fairly.

Thank you

[Tony Kloosterma]

i'm not aware that we turned anyone away.
The flyer for the regional event on the Wosca site did say registration closed at 0900.
its still there if you want to read it.



Tony

[tanney]

The issue here is that if we allowed people to show up whenever they want to, there would be issues holding consistant events. Some people are morning people and arrive on site before 8am, then there are the not so morning people who would show up at 1pm, if they could.

There has to be a point where we say "That's it, your late". The registrar and timing crew are competitors, they need to do car prep and course walks just like everyone else does.

Some people are constantly pushing the envelope and show up just before, just as, or just after registration closes. The ones that show up late are usually annoyed when they are given flak for being late and almost always have excuses as to why they are late (and some are extremely creative :rolleyes: ).

Turning people away for being late sometimes needs to be done. It was pointed out that the map link, that was refered to in a post before the event, had a registration closing time of 10am, which is WOSCA's club event registration, not the regional event. WOSCA's Regional Event Flyer had the correct times posted.

If anyone was turned away because they read the wrong flyer, I apologize.

For future reference........ as stated before and no doubt will be stated again.... REGISTRATION OPENS AT 7:30am AND CLOSES AT 9:00am FOR ALL REGIONAL EVENTS!

[Riskbabe]

Knowing that is was a WOSCA event we checked the WOSCA website at
http://www.wosca.com/Event_info/SummerSeries2005.htm
and it reads, "Registration starts at 9 AM and closes at 10 AM. Driver's meeting at 10:15 am (First car around 10:30 - 11am)."

It did not occur to us that we needed to check another area of the WOSCA website for Regional specific information as we were told later that morning as registration was about to be "closed". So that's fine, we made an error and we're okay with that.

What I'm less okay with is that it looks like 4 other LATE arrivals got to drive while we were turned away. We called another driver while we were on our way there to let registration know that there had been a misunderstanding reading the WOSCA website and we would be there shortly (prior to first run). That driver spoke with registration and relayed back to us that there were absolutely no late registrations (this was shortly after 9:00am).

My only point is that application of the rules should be fair and consistent.
I was disappointed to miss out on driving on Sunday because we read the wrong part of the WOSCA website but I'm more disappointed that the rules do not appear to have been applied fairly and consistently.

PS Just to clarify, I’ve been told that while the question regarding our participation was addressed to you (Tony) the response came from the official event organizer that day which is probably why you don’t remember turning anyone away and ultimately why there was some apparent confusion in admitting some drivers late and not others …

[Suzie]

I can't get up in the mornings, so I'm not doing regionals this year.

I mean, my poor driving has NOTHING to do with it! :rolleyes:

Suzie

[gatherer]

it's regional event you check the regional website.. the club is just a hosting club....

[Marsh]

The WOSCA website had a clearly flyer for the regional event specifically: http://www.wosca.com/Event_info/Region-2005-Event-3.htm

I posted a link to this flyer here: http://66.59.135.81/forums/showthread.php?t=6214&page=2

Plus THE START TIMES FOR EVERY REGIONAL EVENT ARE DICTATED BY THE REGION AND ARE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR EVERY EVENT!

There is absolutely no viable excuse what so ever to show up late to a regional slalom!

The host club is also liable for late penalties for these items. Thanks to those 4, WOSCA owes $20 to the region.

[Riskbabe]

"There is absolutely no viable excuse what so ever to show up late to a regional slalom!"

Absolutely agree but my point is I screwed up (by being late) and didn’t get to drive while others also screwed up (by being late) but they got to drive.

The situation was the same but received a different response from organizers and that kind of differential treatment negatively impacts me and my team (despite the fact we’re probably in last place anyway)… and that ain’t right.

I recognize this event is now a “done” deal but I’m highlighting the need that rules be applied similarly to ALL drivers in future, that’s all ...

[Tony Kloosterma]

you did not speak directly to me , marsh or wes.
Those that were late and pleaded thier case were allowed to run.
This will not happen in the future.
I am sick and tired of baby sitting you guys.
grow up
Now stop whining.
Its over and done with

Tony

[Marsh]

you did not speak directly to me , marsh or wes.
Those that were late and pleaded thier case were allowed to run.
This will not happen in the future.
I am sick and tired of baby sitting you guys.
grow up
Now stop whining.
Its over and done with

Tony

Well, those that were less than 30 minutes late were allowed to run. I said no to at least 3 people after that, but they didn't seem suprised.

[Aspen]

Riskbabe,
The four late entrants all presented themselves at the registration table by 9:10 am. Two at 9:01 and 2 were driving into the lot by 9:03. No one was accepted after these four were completed. Tony and I needed to walk the course and prep our cars etc. and the grid list needed to be finished.

[Riskbabe]

Thanks for your responses ... next time I find I'm late I'll be heading home and picking a new sport for the day so you won't have to worry about any pleadings at the regstration desk from this driver.

Happy & safe driving

[Greg F]

you did not speak directly to me , marsh or wes.
Those that were late and pleaded thier case were allowed to run.
This will not happen in the future.
I am sick and tired of baby sitting you guys.
grow up
Now stop whining.
Its over and done with

Tony

Tony, you seem to be preaching to the choir here in order to punish the unrepentant. Riskbabe agrees with you and everyone here, but the last four lines of the quoted post seem to be mis-directed at Riskbabe.

Riskbabe, I think you've learned your lesson, while others (not just those who were allowed to run that day) may not have as yet. As Tony and the other organisers have pointed out, the rules will be strongly enforced from now on.

Riskbabe, please don't let this incident sour you on the sport. All of the guys that replied here are great guys, but they are rightly frustrated with people who, some repeatedly, show up late and then expect the rules to be bent for them.

So, in closing... :) :) :)

[miataboi]

. All of the guys that replied here are great guys, but they are rightly frustrated with people who, some repeatedly, show up late and then expect the rules to be bent for them.

So, in closing... :) :) :)


On a related note...
There are also people who are ALWAYS late for their spot in line... then jump in / expect to be let in... LUCKILY.... I've partied with Cordeiro and Simon... so they have "earned their stripes"... they're ok... and both RIGHT before me... but the rest of you... SMARTEN UP IN LINE!
:D

[B18C5]

Damn am I ever glad I didn't even try and call and see if someone would hold my spot for registration! It sounds like I could have been shot for even suggesting it!

[Tony Kloosterma]

I agree, and sorry if i came across that way.
bottom line is that he did not show up and he was not able to plead his case.

he also did not read the regional flyer

he choose to go home

i can't help any of that

I knew this would be a problem and i snookered myself at the first event when the organizer insisted that people be allowed to arrive late( locals ) due to some issue with a ferry.

bottom line is people are going to be pissed at me either way
and the proper thing to do is close registration at 09:00.

it will be official and i will close registration at 09:00 in the future.
I'm sorry they missed the event.
but the bottom line is they are responsible to know what time registration closes.
we posted a timetable early this year that said that registration opens at 730 every event and closes at 0900

apologies if i offended (which i am sure i did)

Tony

[Riskbabe]

Yup, learned my lesson & thank you for clearing the air.

... see ya'll on the track :-)

[Doug Phillips]

I knew this would be a problem and i snookered myself at the first event when the organizer insisted that people be allowed to arrive late( locals ) due to some issue with a ferry.

Tony

I don't think that ferrys should be allowed to run even if they are on time. :)