Environmemtally Safe Fires at Nationals

[John P]

Please bring wood, but no oil, sludge or other chemicals for our Saturday night fire.

Let's be environmentally friendly.

John P

[thgear]

Opal wins...

nOnooo

[Dave]

come on Serge, I thought you'd be accustomed to being beat my Insight drivers by now :p

[thgear]

correction

drivER

[Guillermo]

We can finally eat marshmallows cooked over the fire.

And Serge it will be safe for you to wear your designer jeans again :p

[opal]

Opal wins...

nOnooo

4 words, hon: GET USED TO IT.
Oh, wait. I'm not that cocky. Or fast. Never mind.

[Rick S]

4 words, hon: GET USED TO IT.

Ah hahahahaha, gold.

[thgear]

i'm actualy more embarsed at the fact that you called me "hon"

your not that much older than me....

[Chris91GT]

So... oil furnaces are now illegal? Let's be realistic here. Shall we count litres of Ultra 94 consumed per day? Rubber particles from R-comps? Pad/rotor dust? Oil consumption?

Oil is a legitimate source of heat folks... and Mobil 1 is a far more refined and efficient product than heating oil, bunker fuel, coal... trees...

If we are concerned about emissions then there would be no fire. But since we are having a fire... let's use the most efficient, clean-burning, and least-polluting products... which are not wood-based.

[RRRex]

Opal is our environmental conscience and solo activist! I think we should name a part of the Ozone layer after her. :) :) :)

[CobraStang]

Let's be environmentally friendly. You're kidding, right? You know how ridiculous that sounds?

This is racing. Car racing. Gasoline-fuelled automobile racing. I'll burn 100 litres of fuel at the track, and another 50 getting there and back. Multiply that by 85 competitors, then cut in half since many competitors only have half an engine (ie 4 cyl), and you've got 6,375 litres of fuel. If a dozen or so litres get burned in an extremely hot fire, the environmental impact will be negligible in comparison. Also note that rerefining oil is only about 50% efficient, so where do you think the other 50% ends up? And as Chris mentioned, that doesn't even consider the tires, brakes, hundreds of pounds of wood, fireworks, etc.

If you want to be environmentally friendly, isn't this the wrong sport to be preaching at? Aren't there so many other, better venues to make a real difference, rather than the insignificant difference here?

Politicians cow-tow to vocal minorities, not racers. Come back, John, come back. We miss you already!

[Keith-02Accord]

Are you guys listening to yourselves?

Yes, burning wood will release pollutants into the air, and so does racing.

But there is now way you can tell me that burning USED motor oil is okay. Why add to it?

When you dispose of it properly, they don't just simply burn it as somebody else has implied. There is a process that is much more friendly to the environment. Is it perfect? No. But certainly better than throwing it on a fire.

So you can't throw your oil on the fire, big &(*&(**^% deal! Get over it.

[rpr]

FYI: It WILL be in the sup regs.

[AirCooln]

Is Solo1 governed by the GCR (General Compitions Rules) of CASC by chance? Refering to the document here:
http://www.casc.on.ca/documents/gcr05.pdf

Sections 2.15 and 2.16 outline the definition of "Suplimental Regulations" and "Event".

My interpertation is that you can only mandate through suplemental regulations, what can and can not be burned on a campfire between when comepition starts and ends. Because we are allowed to break out the beer at the end of the day Friday and Saterday, competitons must be done.

I remain nueteral in the burning of said materials. Just trying to keep everything legit.

[rpr]

Good point, but I think it goes to what was mentioned in the other thread about the 'intent' of the rule, not only the letter of the rule.

[thgear]

in which case its a lesser of the two evils

do we spill brake fluid, run without cat's, burn rubber (on the track) etc etc

but safely and humanly dispose of our used engine oil??

[B18C5]

Tonight on BellevillePulse:
Some looneys don't care about rising gas prices [shot of geo running through the pits]
They burn rubber [shot of Mustang drifting through a corner]
They burn gas [shot of an uber fast honda flying by the camera]
And at night they burn anything they can find [shot of everyone cheering by the campfire as someone douses a telephone wire reel in oil and gasoline]
Meet the latest group of people to degrade the quality of our lives!

Personally I don't believe in global warming, gas shortages, or anything like that. I also got a big kick out of burning stuff. When I was a kid I used to make paper airplanes, light them on fire and throw them out my bedroom window.

But it only makes sense to keep this burning stuff to a minimum, especially this weekend. It is probably really bad for the air, even just for us standing around it. As much as I'd like to see all kinds of stuff be burned, I can't argue with Opal at all. She's got a damn good point.

[kickster]

burning wood does not release toxic chemicals in to atmosphere. Burning oil that contains synthetic additives does.

For those who still live in caves Burnt Oil = Cancer Burnt wood = little to no chance of getting cancer.
Now repeat this 10 times.

Ps. Global warming is a myth, same as "Uber Fast Honda", "War in Iraq" and "Sugarless gum"

[John Powell]

One reason I like to visit the Solo I forum is that you guys and gals get into some of the most interesting, wierd and wonderful discussions - and they're entertaining too. :D Anyway, if nobody minds an interloper too much, Id like to get my $0.02 in.

Anyone who's had to put out a creosote fire in a chimney (as I had to once) realises that burning wood does release toxic chemicals as well as gasses such as carbon dioxide and water vapour (which, by the way is a greenhouse gas).

Regarding global "warming", climate change has been a fact of life since the world began, and evidence does indicate that we're currently in a warming trend within what for the last few thousand years has been one of the fairly infrequent warm periods. The main issues are just how much has human, mostly industrial, activity contributed to the trend, and how best to deal with it. Do we spend all our resources in trying to fight it, not knowing reasonably accurately just how much effect that will have, or spend them on long term plans to cope with climate change? Much better minds than mine are debating this question right now.

In the meantime, I personally don't recommend dousing an open fire with petroleum products as they can be undpredictable. :eek:

[fastnx]

Ps. Global warming is a myth

Proof? Data?

[John Powell]

Global warming is a myth, same as ... "Sugarless gum" OMG! Have I been wasting my time and teeth chewing "sugarless" gum??? :eek: I'll never trust gum ads again! :rolleyes:

[tanney]

In the meantime, I personally don't recommend dousing an open fire with petroleum products as they can be undpredictable. :eek:

Not to mention childish and irresponsible. Apparently these grown up children do not have or plan to have children of their own......... Trying to get across a point to these people is useless as they really don't seem to care!

[Keith-02Accord]

It's pretty sad that people the enjoy campfires are being forced to rent a motel room for Solo 1 events b/c they don't want to breathe in toxic fumes.

I'm glad to hear that I won't be able to bring my wife and young child with me to Solo 1 events next year b/c of this. Thanks very much.

Absolutely one of the most childish things I've heard in a long time. I'm tired of biting my tongue on this.

I can assure you if I EVER personally witnessed it, the OPP would be informed. I'm not about to let a bunch of 30 yr olds (going on 8) ruin my enjoymnet of a campfire.

And don't give me this tradition crap. It used to be tradition for a man to beat his wife, it used to be ttradition hat woment couldn't vote. Time for this tradition to come to an end. Welcome to the 21st century.

Time for you to decide if you go to Solo 1 for the motorsports or for throwing oil on the fire.

[AirCooln]

I can assure you if I EVER personally witnessed it, the OPP would be informed. I'm not about to let a bunch of 30 yr olds (going on 8) ruin my enjoymnet of a campfire.


Im curious as to what law is being broken?

PS. Still not taking sides.

[rainman]

Im curious as to what law is being broken?

PS. Still not taking sides.

Possibly illegal disposal of toxic waste :rolleyes:

[AirCooln]

:rolleyes:


Actually its not that silly a question.

[Chris91GT]

In the meantime, I personally don't recommend dousing an open fire with petroleum products as they can be undpredictable. :eek:

Which is partly to blame for the interest in said activity. However, given the viscosity and high flash-point of most of these fluids... it really isn't an issue. Ultra 94 is a highly revered substance... but that stays in the tanks.

Regardless, this is now past-tense, Saturday night was warm and bright, life goes on, and it's a real shame that my V710s are still on rims... oh well, we can't all have it our way. ;)

[thgear]

It's pretty sad that people the enjoy campfires are being forced to rent a motel room for Solo 1 events b/c they don't want to breathe in toxic fumes.

I'm glad to hear that I won't be able to bring my wife and young child with me to Solo 1 events next year b/c of this. Thanks very much.

Absolutely one of the most childish things I've heard in a long time. I'm tired of biting my tongue on this.

I can assure you if I EVER personally witnessed it, the OPP would be informed. I'm not about to let a bunch of 30 yr olds (going on 8) ruin my enjoymnet of a campfire.

And don't give me this tradition crap. It used to be tradition for a man to beat his wife, it used to be ttradition hat woment couldn't vote. Time for this tradition to come to an end. Welcome to the 21st century.

Time for you to decide if you go to Solo 1 for the motorsports or for throwing oil on the fire.

you better be driving a solar powered vehicle to say these kinds of things and expect to be taken seriously

what car you drive to work? how long does it take you to get there? how much fumes do you put into the air again??

nuff said.

[Keith-02Accord]

Not even worth replying to.

There is no reasoning with children and childish behaviour.

By your logic, a freight forwarding company that uses trucks to move product should be permitted to break any envirnomental protection law it sees fit, afterall, they are using gasoline and oil. So what does it matter if they just poured all of their oil into the sewer behind their building?

My point is, why add to it just so you can have some shits and giggles and feel like a big man by throwing oil on the fire. To most people, you don't look like a big man, you look like a 5 yr. old child.

[tanney]

you better be driving a solar powered vehicle to say these kinds of things and expect to be taken seriously

what car you drive to work? how long does it take you to get there? how much fumes do you put into the air again??

nuff said.
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pull your head out of your ass! Burning toxic substances is bad (and against the law) regardless of what you drive and how far you go!

[ScotcH]

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pull your head out of your ass! Burning toxic substances is bad (and against the law) regardless of what you drive and how far you go!

Well, until they perfect the fuel cell and we can all burn hydrogen (which still produces water vapour, and can contribute to the green house effect, myth or otherwise), we will always be burning toxic substances. Wood is NOT clean burning (far from it). Both sides have spoken, and we surely won't resolve anything here, so maybe we should just agree to disagree. This is sorta like preaching religion to people. If I don't believe in the same things as you, no matter how hard you try you will not convince me.

[soloZ]

Well, until they perfect the fuel cell and we can all burn hydrogen (which still produces water vapour, and can contribute to the green house effect, myth or otherwise), we will always be burning toxic substances. Wood is NOT clean burning (far from it). Both sides have spoken, and we surely won't resolve anything here, so maybe we should just agree to disagree. This is sorta like preaching religion to people. If I don't believe in the same things as you, no matter how hard you try you will not convince me.


I would say have two fires the slightly cleaner(by opinion of course) up wind of the dirty fire that way the lost boyz can have there petrol fire and the friendlies can have there clean log home fire.

[thgear]

Not even worth replying to.

There is no reasoning with children and childish behaviour.

By your logic, a freight forwarding company that uses trucks to move product should be permitted to break any envirnomental protection law it sees fit, afterall, they are using gasoline and oil. So what does it matter if they just poured all of their oil into the sewer behind their building?

My point is, why add to it just so you can have some shits and giggles and feel like a big man by throwing oil on the fire. To most people, you don't look like a big man, you look like a 5 yr. old child.

i fully understand if you are against burning oil in fires because its in your eyes not enviromentaly safe.

but i dont undrestand your FURIOUS ZEAL against US CHILDREN with your gung ho attitude towards greater humanitarianism when you drive a gas guzzling polluter machine every day to work and back, and then race the sucker as well.

your like those greenpeace guys on their little boats trying to stop the oil tankers.

do they even realize what POWERS their boats??!!! the same freakin oil that they are trying to stop!!!

my suggestion to you, "mr grown up", is to lay of with the insults to "us children", and go into engineering and chemical sciences and design us some clean cold fusion engines, i mean, if you REALLY care about the subject matter.

in the mean time, stop with the name calling, insulting people in an argument is a sure sign of a weak position.

[rpr]

I would say have two fires the slightly cleaner(by opinion of course) up wind of the dirty fire that way the lost boyz can have there petrol fire and the friendlies can have there clean log home fire.

That isn't going to solve anything.

[Doug P]

i fully understand if you are against burning oil in fires because its in your eyes not enviromentaly safe.

but i dont undrestand your FURIOUS ZEAL against US CHILDREN with your gung ho attitude towards greater humanitarianism when you drive a gas guzzling polluter machine every day to work and back, and then race the sucker as well.

your like those greenpeace guys on their little boats trying to stop the oil tankers.

do they even realize what POWERS their boats??!!! the same freakin oil that they are trying to stop!!!

my suggestion to you, "mr grown up", is to lay of with the insults to "us children", and go into engineering and chemical sciences and design us some clean cold fusion engines, i mean, if you REALLY care about the subject matter.

in the mean time, stop with the name calling, insulting people in an argument is a sure sign of a weak position.

WOW! There's a "big boy" response. :rolleyes:

[opal]

If I may, since I'm the one that stirred this pot originally:
Please just stop arguing.

Yours truly,
The eco-peacenik.

[RRRex]

^^ What Opal said. Protests were made at the fire and oil burning was far lower than previous events and believe it or not, people did police themselves. The issue has been raised and is being dealt with. Please be patient and don't underestimate the maturity level of the solo1 community. This was one of the best years ever for Solo1 and we saw amazing competition on the track and amazing sportsmanship the pits among competitors. As well as strong leadership from Christian, sponsors and the hosting clubs. I for one am proud to be part of such an elite group of friends and competitors. :)

[Rick S]

I hate to look like an asshole here, but I have to say this is the most pointless argument I've ever seen. Opal's legitimate concern has turned into a bunch of grown-ups clawing at eachother's throats about something as trivial as a bonfire. I hate speaking for others, but I'm sure she never intended to turn everyone against eachother. What she wanted was for us to be as environmentally friendly as possible, not for us to start hating eachother. I think the issue needs to be dropped, it's gotten way out of hand and obviously isn't going to be resolved any time soon. I feel bad for Opal now because what was a simple, innocent request has escaladed into an all out war of the idiots and I'm sure she feels responsible (which she isn't).

Of course I'm just a dumb university student, so what the hell do I know?

[thgear]

Protests were made at the fire and oil burning was far lower than previous events and believe it or not, people did police themselves.

dude

they tried to burn my car!! :D ;)

all in good fun tho! :)

[Crusher45]

I prefer to throw a 32oz prime rib steak on my fire! Ok, ok some people call it a roast, not me and I don't share!

:D

Mmmmmmmmmmmm steak!!!! :)

[kickster]

Of course I'm just a dumb university student, so what the hell do I know?


Not much :D

[John Powell]

Of course I'm just a dumb university student, so what the hell do I know? Hey, I'm a 65 year old Old Fart and I still don't know everything, so don't feel too bad about it. ;)

This thread started out as an interesting and amusing discussion, and as others have said, it's now getting a bit nasty on both sides. And no fault to Opal as she raised a legimate concern. I know I'm only a visitor here, but let me leave you with a thought. All living things alter the "environment" in their efforts to survive, and if you have doubts about that, think of the damage a herd of elephants (the real kings of the jungle and one of my favourite wild animals) can do to a forest when searching for food. Almost all other living things are driven by instinct, and therefore have little control over the changes they effect. Humans, on the other hand, are supposed to have the ability to reason and therefore control their instincts. This means that we alone of all living things are able to recognise what damage we have done or are doing, and alter our behaviour accordingly if we will only learn the lessons of history!

End of sermon. Now, who's going to have a bonfire on Guy Fawkes Day? :D

[CobraStang]

Greenpeace is the cat on the left. The major oil companies have the cat on the right. All the waving around didn't get one of the cats anywhere, did it?

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/361.html

One bullfighter was having a beer with another bullfighter, after a long day of murdering bulls. The first said to the second "You can kill a bull with more grace and flare than anyone I know!". The second bullfighter said "You pretty good at slashing with style yourself!". The second bullfighter moved as if to get off his stool, prompting the first bullfighter to cry out "Hey! Don't step on that cockroach! That's cruel!"

[Chris91GT]

This thread certainly did start out amusingly enough. There was some good banter... time to find another controversial topic to discuss.

In the meantime... I need to go do an oil change.

[soloZ]

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Originally Posted by soloZ
I would say have two fires the slightly cleaner(by opinion of course) up wind of the dirty fire that way the lost boyz can have there petrol fire and the friendlies can have there clean log home fire.




That isn't going to solve anything.


Well it was meant more a joke then anything, also it would have meant two fires and both side could have had it there own way but your right nothing would have been solved.

[haniforama]

Now, who's going to have a bonfire on Guy Fawkes Day? :D

Been there, done that.

Check this out :)

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/albums/Bonfire/aas.sized.jpg

[John Powell]

Wow, the Towering Inferno! :eek: :D

[haniforama]

That was the Inverness, Scotland community Guy Fawkes bonfire held at the local park in 2003.

Fire trucks were on site :)

[CobraStang]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005420342,,00.html

Some of his responses are too funny:
There will be no tree, leaf, cloud, lawn, peat bog or environmental precious place that I won’t drive over.

If they do it again I will start on the foxes.

[G-ForceJunkie]

The pie definitely wasn’t organic. And just think how much jet fuel was used flying the banana over here.
:D

[bbqman]

Been there, done that.

Check this out :)

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/albums/Bonfire/aas.sized.jpg


OMG we have been outdone again......maybe we will meet again at Sanair for round II. I will really bring out the lumber then.

[haniforama]

OMG we have been outdone again......maybe we will meet again at Sanair for round II. I will really bring out the lumber then.

Carl,

A large pyramid with wooden skids (approx 60 feet high) was constructed by the town, then lit under the supervision of the fire department.

I never plan to light a fire that big anywhere else ;)

But I hope to be back to Quebec to compete soon...

[George]

A large pyramid with wooden skids (approx 60 feet high) was constructed by the town, then lit under the supervision of the fire department.


That's actually quite organized.

When I lived there people just built them in various places a few weeks before Fawkes Night and then lit em up w/out supervision from the fire department or anyone else. Lots of wood and old tyres an schit - really burned well..lol

[John Powell]

I'm told that Guy Fawkes Day, November 5th., is still celebrated in Newfoundland and privately by ex-pat Brits in other parts of the country. :) Wait a minute now, isn't that the same day as .... ;)

[John Powell]

Just a reminder to all Solo I fire-bugs. Today is Guy Fawkes Day, so I hope you all have your bonfires ready. :D