Question about my cars starting points

[thgear]

http://www.soloontario.com/2005Classification_v10.xls

40.8

at the beginning of the year i was rated at 41.8

what gives??

[gatherer]

what are you complaining about?

a lower PIP score means more mods before moving up.. that change to 40.8 is a great thing...

[thgear]

yeah that means i ran the whole season with a free pip! :(

that coulda been either camber plates or a rear sway...

but i mean i dont care... i just wanna know what gives?? :confused:

[DECH_92]

Well, it means it’s a typo or that your car was so slow that they reclassified it. :eek:
Just funning with yea, :) , probably a typo happens all the time

[thgear]

a typo that i hope stays... roflmao! :p

[Dave]

Serge, is your car a GL or GLS? According to my source (Standard Catalog of Imported Cars, 1946-2002) the GL weighs 2767 and the GLS weighs 2864. Both apparently have a whoppin' 115 hp! Zoom zoom! :p Anyway, let me know which version you have, the GL or GLS, and I'll let you know your official Starting PI.

[gatherer]

sweet.. Dave is on the job..!!!

[thgear]

well since i dont have a sunroof, alloy wheels, traction control or a hyped up stock audio system...

i'm gonna guess and say i have a GL?

ive actualy tried to figure it out but i cant find a single peice of paper that says whether my car is a GL or GLS

[gatherer]

what does the ownership say?

or the owners manual you would of got when you got the car from the dealer?

(just trying to help out by giving you places to look)

[thgear]

ownership says

GLS

Insurance slip says

GL

:eek:

[craig]

Weight listed on the door panel sticker corresponds to which weight given above?

[RRRex]

The insurance company goes by what the manufacturer registered the vin# as. Unless they made a mistake, I'd say that one would be more correct. But double check with the weight stamped on the side just to be sure. You can always weigh it at a weighing station too if you want to be completely sure.

[thgear]

2767 on the side of the car

so i guess its a GL

[Dave]

I that case your car's Starting PI os 42.9% -- hope you were legal for T4 this year!

People, it's YOUR responsibility to make sure the curb weight and horsepower rating we're using for your car is accurate. The spreadsheet has hundreds of cars in it and there's undoubtedly other errors to be found. So PLEASE check these numbers -- it could work to your benefit, and even if it doesn't at least you're playing fairly and won't get protested if somebody else (ie. one of your rivals) spots the error.

[thgear]

lol

first it was 41.8

then 40.8

now 42.9

:eek:

good grief.


oop,s i made a slight error, i realized that it wasnt 2700 pounds, but 1730 kg that was written on the side of the car ( i originaly just quickly ran down to take a look, and i guess the 7 stuck in my head)

but it reads GVWR/PNBV 1730 KG

at 2.2 thats about 3806 pounds... and uhh.. i dont think my car weights THAT much. I guess thats the GROSS weight, which i never really understood.

BAH this is such a mess...

personaly i have always thought i had the GL, because the GLS is usualy the one with all the fancy options on it... and i remeber telling ChrisP that mine was a GL when he originaly classified me at the open house...

sooo complicated...

[Dave]

40.8% was using the GLS weight. I don't know how you came up with 41.8%, because I'm the official holder of the spreadsheet and my version has always and still says 40.8% for the GLS.

The 42.9% is based on your declaration that your car is in fact a GL model and weighs less than the GLS. You either mistakenly told somebody that your car was a GLS at the Open House or whenever your car was first classified, or someone pressumed it to be a GLS, which apparently it is not.

It's up to you to give us the correct info on your car -- and it's up to you to check the spreadsheet to make sure we're using the correct data for it.

[thgear]

this is the email correspondance i had with you at the very beginning of the season

note that i have GL written next to the make of my car, i specificaly emailed you to be 100% sure!

so... i have no idea what happens now...



Serge, according to the form you submitted your final PI total is 41.8%, so this leaves you with 3 PIPs to spend and still remain within T4. FYI, there is no class lower than T4, though your car does start with a PI quite a bit lower than the 2000 Beetle, so you have more PIPs to spend within T4 than a Beetle does.

Cheers,
Dave

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i know i'm in T4, but would like to know 100% what my starting points are.

MK4 Golf GL
2.0 liter engine
Manual
4 door.
no sunroof
manufactures claimed flywheel HP 115

curb weight, i'm not sure :( i get mixed numbers, anywhere from 2750 to 2900,

the 2000 new beettle is in T4, but i would like to think that its a little lighter, and handles a bit better due to chassis construction, so in my eyes my car should sit a little lower than it.

but i'll let you be the judge :D

[craig]

Sorry, my apologies, door sticker weight is the wrong weight. The right weight for classification purposes is curb weight, which is in the owner's manual. (curb weight + 150lb/"designated" person + (some) fluids + luggage capacity = gross vehicle weight = weight on door sticker).

As you have a German car, there are two curb weights generally quoted:
- DIN curb weight (or ROW curb weight); and
- USA curb weight (or US/CA curb weight).
Use the latter, which should be slightly higher (due to heavier bumper construction).

At less than 50lbs/PIP for you, these little differences can make for big differences on course.

[Dave]

That's right, Craig -- door sticker weight is usually the GVWR, not the curb weight. But in Serge's case (if he got that weight off the door sticker) it does correspond with my sources curb weight rating for his car. All this stuff makes my life so much fun! :p

Serge, I see in our correspondence you did list it as a GL. I must have used the incorrect weight when calculating your Starting PI. So your car's Starting PI was 40.8 and you had to take 1 PIP for the intake mod you listed on your PIP form, which gave you a final PI of 41.8%. I also see an ammendment listing 2 PIPs for shocks, which I assume means your final PI went up to 43.8% unless you didn't install the shocks?

In any case, it's all water under the bridge. The season is over and nobody protested your car. My point is simply that you need to check the accuracy of the stats we use in the spreadsheet to make sure we get your classification correct. Apparently I used the wrong curb weight when giving you your Starting PI and given that you're new to the series it was fair for you to assume I knew what I was doing. You assumed wrong :) Next year, please double check everything!

[thgear]

alright cool! :)

but, and again i have some email corspondenses saved, i was always under the impression that my starting points were 41.8

because as i mentioned in one of the private msgs (which i can quote if you want) this season i took 1 pip for my ghetto CAI and 2 pips for shocks

so starting at dunville i was under the full assumption that i was running at 44.8...

anyway as long as no one is gonna drag me into court over this i'm happy leaving this matter behind.

now to go and figure out what my model my car really is.... roflmao :D :confused:

[Dave]

yeah, don't sweat it, Serge. What's done is done -- but for next season assume your Starting PI is 42.9% unless you learn that your car isn't a GL and doesn't weigh 2767 lbs.

[Chris91GT]

...given that you're new to the series it was fair for you to assume I knew what I was doing...

Whereas those of us in the know...


hehehe just kidding.

Great job this year with the CCC Dave. We all know you do a ton of work, and it's much appreciated.