Classing question

[Rob-RT]

Can someone please point me in the right direction for classing of non-american production cars? IE imported cars that are not listed


thank you.

[JoeT]

Can someone please point me in the right direction for classing of non-american production cars? IE imported cars that are not listed


thank you.

If you specify a car, more people will be able to help.

[Rob-RT]

opps sorry.

Its a 1990 Nissan Skyline GTS-T RB20DET

[JoeT]

opps sorry.

Its a 1990 Nissan Skyline GTS-T RB20DET

Now that would be nice, sluurp. Now I'm sure Marsh will step in and offer pertinent information. :D

[Wedge]

Who needs Marsh?


B. Unclassified Vehicles
Unclassified vehicles (those not listed in Appendix A) may be tentatively classified by the event organizer.
The CASC-OR Solo 2 Director may reclassify tentatively classified vehicles.

C. Classification Request
A competitor or an official may submit a written classification request to the CASC-OR Solo 2 Director.
All requests must include detailed vehicle information and are subject to the following timetable:
i) Prior to January 1 of the current year, a classification request for the addition or review of
any eligible vehicle may be submitted.
ii) After January 1 of the current year, a classification request must be limited to the
following:
a) An existing classified vehicle became available in a configuration, which may
appreciably alter its performance potential.
b) A new model vehicle became available which is not listed in Appendix A.
iii) The CASC-OR Solo 2 Director shall endeavor to process requests within thirty (30) days
of receipt. All classification and amendments shall be published as CASC-OR bulletins.

In my opinion, an R32 Skyline would probably end up in B Stock.

[Rob-RT]

Sooo if I were to just show up at a solo2 event they would just place me where ever they saw fit?

thanks for the info btw

[njansenv]

Who needs Marsh?



In my opinion, an R32 Skyline would probably end up in B Stock.

You'd probably want to put 'The GTR' in it's own class. I hear it's the fastest cAr eVar. (excepting of course, the SRT4). ;)

More seriously, the GTR would have to be classed differently than the GTS's, etc....which are comparitively mundane.

This brings up RHD cars. Would a JDM MR2 or 300zx be put in the same class as thier counterparts? For the most part, I believe they are the same mechanically. Has anyone ever (somewhat successfully) auto-xed a z32 300zx twin turbo?

[thekid]

I'm not sure about the starting class, but if there are any modifications to the car that might move it up to the SS or SP prep levels (like an intake, springs, clutch, etc), then there are catch all rules in place. Take a look at the Classification section of the rule book and look at the bottom of the SS/SP classification listings for the different catch all rules.

[yellowhotshoe]

No giggling...this might be a silly question, but the Skyline is pretty rare in these parts, no? This wouldn't happen to be the same car as the one in the Tuner Challenge (along with a 2005 Jetta and a Chevy Cobalt) that has been fairly heavily modded.

[njansenv]

The Skyline is quickly gaining momentum in Canada....not to say it's a silly question (it's not), but there's a surprising number of them in the Ontario area. 10-15k will get you a decent one, and it doesn't take THAT much money to make them pretty quick. I'm not entirely sold on them myself (for what I would use a car for), but I definitely like them. The weight is a MAJOR turnoff for me.
I'd just (personally) rather have a reliable FD RX-7.

Nathan

[jduffett]

a reliable FD RX-7.

Some would say that means SBC-powered...

[njansenv]

^Hehe. You got it. I didn't expect anyone to get that. LS1-T56 anyone?

[13inches]

We had an RHD skyline come out to a few PITL events this year, and put him in the class he best fit in (our C-stock for medium powered RWD).

For club events I don't see classing being an issue, since most clubs in ontario use a pretty scaled down classing system anyways.

[MrHeavyFoot]

Who needs Marsh?

B. Unclassified Vehicles
Unclassified vehicles (those not listed in Appendix A) may be tentatively classified by the event organizer.
The CASC-OR Solo 2 Director may reclassify tentatively classified vehicles.

C. Classification Request
A competitor or an official may submit a written classification request to the CASC-OR Solo 2 Director.
All requests must include detailed vehicle information and are subject to the following timetable:
i) Prior to January 1 of the current year, a classification request for the addition or review of
any eligible vehicle may be submitted.
ii) After January 1 of the current year, a classification request must be limited to the
following:
a) An existing classified vehicle became available in a configuration, which may
appreciably alter its performance potential.
b) A new model vehicle became available which is not listed in Appendix A.
iii) The CASC-OR Solo 2 Director shall endeavor to process requests within thirty (30) days
of receipt. All classification and amendments shall be published as CASC-OR bulletins.

In my opinion, an R32 Skyline would probably end up in B Stock.

I haven't looked at the CASC-OR rules, but unless you guys have made significant changes in this area compared to the CAC rules...

E. Series Produced
Except for Modified Category, all vehicles that are not otherwise listed in the car classification lists must have been series-produced, in quantities of at least 1,000 units in a 12 consecutive month period for legal road use. The vehicle must have been equipped with normal road touring equipment and normally sold through manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in North America.

Basically, the car must have been available at the North American dealerships to be eligible for Stock, SS or SP. So imported vehicles such as this go directly to Mod. D Mod in this case.

Doesn't seem entirely fair, but then again, you don't want the class killer car to be something only available by import and requiring hard to get (in North America) imported performance parts. At least the CAC rules allow availability in North America. Try going to an SCCA event with an Echo Hatchback: Mod!

[njansenv]

Interesting. (totally OT: I've always thought the Echo hatch might make a decent solo2 car).

What about RHD versions of cars available here? MR2 Turbos and 300zx twin turbos are pretty cheap from japan. AFAIK (excepting the not available here 2+2 twin turbo 300), the cars are essentially identical to their North American counterparts.

Nathan

[Rob-RT]

Well as far as north american counter parts though they are not always the same


EX: MKII MR2 turbo. the jap version has almost 40 more hp! as well, some honda/acura engines come with a few more horses, so they wouldnt be EXACTLY the same, but probably close enough to come down to the driver.



As far as class goes, if I get stuck in Mod then that is fine. I just wanna race. And yes the weight does not make it the best solo 2 car, and it will be more intended for solo 1, but still looking for a little more seat time before I do that :P

Also want to see if the damn all-wheel-steering can be put to good use before I rip it out ;)

[13inches]

We dont race ;)

[DareBee]

Can you say "performance driving competition"

[njansenv]

Well as far as north american counter parts though they are not always the same


EX: MKII MR2 turbo. the jap version has almost 40 more hp! as well, some honda/acura engines come with a few more horses, so they wouldnt be EXACTLY the same, but probably close enough to come down to the driver.



As far as class goes, if I get stuck in Mod then that is fine. I just wanna race. And yes the weight does not make it the best solo 2 car, and it will be more intended for solo 1, but still looking for a little more seat time before I do that :P

Also want to see if the damn all-wheel-steering can be put to good use before I rip it out ;)

I thought only GenIII MR2's made more power? (post '93). Only 1990/91's are making it into the country right now. (can you tell it's a car that's got the gears turning? Definitely trying to do my research....)

[yellowhotshoe]

So imported vehicles such as this go directly to Mod. D Mod in this case.

It would be nice to see the ranks of D-Mod swell a bit. Its no fun playing alone... :D

[Rob-RT]

the MKII MR2s came out in japan in 90, and 93 here. http://www.importconcern.ca/perl/b_list.pl?10691


Ok well I will be looking forward to making it to a "performance driving competition" hopefully before this year ends

[njansenv]

Acually, the MK-II (2nd gen) MR's were available in Canada in 90. The So-called 3rd Gen 3s-gte turbo ENGINE was never sold in North America, and made it to some newer JDM stuff...changes included. Unless we're misunderstanding each other. Not that it matters too much...they're pretty neat, reasonably quick cars. And beautiful.

[Rob-RT]

heh ya I dont know that much about the mister 2. I just know that it is a scary car with all the power sitting over the real wheels ;)




SO to sum it up if I am going to be put into mod I should worry about the points? Now I just have to find someone to import me an RB26DETT :D *I wish*