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Bubblecar
05-27-2002, 01:55 PM
Drag racing update Re: My Eagle Talon - originally prepped for solo competition.

While Marco drove the Actionfront purple talon to a 10.618 in New Jersey a few weeks ago - the run was not in Canada - so we headed off to St. Thomas on Sunday to try and duplicate the feat on home soil.

My first pass of the day was 10.880 @ 144.63 mph.
Then an 11.373 @ 143.33 (bad launch) and I then backed up my earlier time with a 10.807 @ 146.06 mph.

Marco then did a couple of passes head to head against Jeffrey's Chan's RX7.

He ran a 10.690 and finished with a 10.348 @ 143.25 mph.

Nine's are getting closer.

That puts us in 6th place on the fastest ever import in Canada list. (but 6th place with a bullet!)

NOTE TO ADAM - All this work was still not enough to fight off the evil hordes. The dark empire (Honda) was well represented by a Civic that ran 9.93 @ 149 mph to win the event!

Nick Majors -
10.807 @ 146 (Me driving my car)
10.348 @ 143 (Marco driving my car)
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ADAM
05-27-2002, 02:29 PM
THEY WILL BE DEFEATED ...NICK THEY WILL!!!!! all hondas will be crushed in utter defeat

beat them down, grind them up, and spit them out...burn them and blow them up..shread them and tear them.....i have one word for you NOS..and more of it..lots more...and when you think you have enough..go 2 jet sizes up from that...you should be running a 300shot min..progressive computer controlled...that will keep those pesky hondas at bay...

go get em....

still 10 sec runs are pretty impressive from a 2.0l motor.....

what size turbo are you guys running? a straight t4?

ADAM
05-27-2002, 02:35 PM
what kind of nos system are you using? i would think a progressive system would work the best...have you also tried using the nitrous as a coolent for the intercooler as well? or running a ice chamber?

or ditching the AWD and get a real drag racing rear end..to finally punish those wretched little tin boxes you are racing against :)

Bubblecar
05-27-2002, 02:38 PM
Turbo is currently a double ball bearing GT35R - but - we have a secret weapon - new custom turbo - rated to 850 HP. Will probably take another month or so to get it working.

Nitrous - actually Nitrous Express is sponsoring the car and giving us all the equipment. This weekend we tried out the "Maximizer" progressive control unit - wow!

Can you say "Honda's for breakfast!"

Nick Majors -
10.807 @ 146 (Me driving my car)
10.348 @ 143 (Marco driving my car)
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ADAM
05-27-2002, 02:44 PM
cool... i am suprized you are not using a progressive system already.... don't forget about using the nitrous as a chiller for the intercooler...you have a 10lb bottle..might as well use it up in 1 run

Shaman
05-27-2002, 02:46 PM
My motor is identical to Agostino's Corvette right down to the camshaft profile. With a nitrous hit, it ran 9.2@157 and when they hit it with a higher shot, it blew the transmission to shreds but was obviously on its way to a 8 second pass.

You just need a big V8, that's all.

(throw a little gas on the fire... heh)

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:02 PM
ha ha ha...v8's are not needed... power and technology are needed :)


nick that turbo is a freaking monster for a 2.0l motor..i looked at one of those its over 3k cdn...a bit out of my budget..but very nice...it must flow like crap at low rpm...and have alot of compressor surge? christ mine surges on my 2.4l at low rpm 3k below...though you are running some silly boost levels :)

i think the only way you are going to beat the civics is with nitrous..and a real drag rear end...more boost is going to lead to spool up issues and flow issues..whereas nitrous won't..plus you can use it to spool up that monster...

what does marco think? more nos or bigger turbo...

have you tubbed it out yet for a drag rear yet?

now back to v8's

Bubblecar
05-27-2002, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Shaman
You just need a big V8, that's all.

(throw a little gas on the fire... heh)

Yeah, but the point of this - is to go where no man has gone before! (apologies to Capt'n Kirk)

If I just want to go fast - I can ride in a jet plane.

The Canadian record is 9.6 - The WORLD RECORD for a 4 cylinder - uni-body car is 8.6 seconds (sorry Adam - another Honda). While that's still some ways away - it's well worth the audacity of an attempt! Our mph indicates the ability to run somewhere in the low nines.

4 cylinders rule!

Nick Majors -
10.807 @ 146 (Me driving my car)
10.348 @ 143 (Marco driving my car)
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ctenche
05-27-2002, 03:07 PM
Guys, what are you talking about 10 second, 9 seconds, 8 seconds? Your run is over so fast you don't even get a chance to enjoy it.

Me?

I put the front tires into the water behind the start and light them up a bit to warm up the tires. Then I do a nice 3 point turn to get the car heading in the right direction and pull up to the Christmas tree. I give her and drop the clutch on green and go for a full 15 second run. High 15 seconds mind you.

At least I'm out there enjoying the long run. You guys are over and done with before you know it. It's too fast I tell you.

(Yes, I'm bored and feel like slacking off today)

Shaman
05-27-2002, 03:07 PM
Ah, I just wanna go fast. Technology not required. :)

I got it, Nick... think "Turbine Engine". With, say, 3,500hp and 7,000lb/ft of torque, and it's high-tech, too! Hey, and no rebuilds required, they have 120,000 hour MTBF ratings.

ctenche
05-27-2002, 03:12 PM
Whoa. Assuming a 9 second run that's about 48 million runs down the quarter mile before the turbine needs service. Nice.

John Hannaford
05-27-2002, 03:16 PM
And here I was thinking that I should run less boost in my FFR to lose 100 hp or so and make it more driveable in Solo 1. You guys are certifiable!

I love it. Do you get a volume discount on clutches?

John

Bubblecar
05-27-2002, 03:16 PM
Hey, I'm sitting at my desk - rolling in laughter. You guys are great. The staff thinks I'm insane.

Nick

Nick Majors -
10.807 @ 146 (Me driving my car)
10.348 @ 143 (Marco driving my car)
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ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:22 PM
v8's ...lets talk about them... big, noisy, and heavy....

4cyl..small, compact....

the name of the game is "who ever can move more air through the engine wins"

simple as that..move more air..burn more fuel..go faster....

so if you have 3 equally powered cars...one lets say a z06 corvette maybe a flaming chicken (firebird)or old ratty 240sx with silly wing on the back..the one that weighs the least and handles the best is gonna win.....

so far in reality
z06=385bhp weight 3100lbs=8.05 power to weight
ratty 240sx=246bhp weight 2700lbs=10.97

now if we equal these all out
either the corvettes have to lose power(not gonna happen) and go to 282bhp....or the ratty 240sx has to gain power and go to 335bhp or 299rwhp..which is very possible to do

go from 246bhp at 9psi
gaining around 15-20hp per psi of boost..that means approx 6psi of boost are needed...or 15psi (about what a stock talon or WRX runs)

and the power levels will now be equal...who is gonna win...i would place money on the lighter car :)

ask nick why the civics are winning in drag racing.... cause they are light...


he he he he he

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:29 PM
nick,
i guess a tube frame and uni body have 2 different classes?

cause i am pretty sure a tube frame hks nissan 180sx with the SR20DET motor ran 8 somethings...? in the usa...

Shaman
05-27-2002, 03:29 PM
Lingenfelter Corvette 427TT.

Pump gas. 25mpg. Smooth idle. Drives like a dream in traffic. Full interior and all safety pieces including front and rear bumpers. 24 month, 24,000 mile warranty. DOT radial tires.

9.2@150mph.

Once again note the words "pump gas". As in Sunoco Ultra.

Feel the burn. :)

Not to take anything away from Nick's team. It's cool to do the undone, so to speak.

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:38 PM
1.6l 1985 honda F1 motor 1100bhp+

nuff said

blur
05-27-2002, 03:41 PM
Ok, enough of this 4-cyl vs V-8 argument. We all know neither of these unbalanced designs are very good. A perfect engine is obviously a 6-cylinder, and not one of those goofy V-6 things either. An inline, or even better, a boxer, yeah. Perfect..

:D

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:46 PM
he he..yeah we see how the 6cyl are whipping everyone in solo 1 :)

he he he he..adds more fuel to the tutonic fire

better keep those $50k+ barvarian whales out of the way of civics and nissans :)

again weight..is the killer there

Shaman
05-27-2002, 03:47 PM
Let's give that F1 engine a tankful of JoBob's Gas N' Guns "Hi-Test", Adam... see what happens... :eek:

ctenche
05-27-2002, 03:47 PM
You guys have been at this debate over and over again. As reference check out the board's longest running thread.

http://racing.kos.net/soloforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134

So, here is what I'm proposing.

1. Let's set up a separate thread called Adam vs Shaman. The first post will read.

Are light 4 cylinder cars better track cars than the big iron from Detroit? Not everyone agrees. Certainly not Adam and Shaman. Adam thinks that a light 4 cylinder car is more nimble and given enough power can handle itself more readily around the track. Shaman thinks there's more to taking corners quickly then just light weight. He's a firm believer in the 'no replacement for displacemnt' adage.

Who will win the duel? Read the arguments and the rebuttals and vote for the winner.

2. Adam, you will get the first chance to state your side. Then, we'll get to read Shaman's thoughts.

3. Next, we'll give Adam a chance at a rebutall followed by a rebuttall from Shaman.

4. The discussion will then be closed and we'll all take a vote.

This should be an interesting and entertaining read and we'll finally get to put this topic to bed. Well at least for a little while.

So what do you say Adam? Shaman?


(See, I told you I was bored today)

Shaman
05-27-2002, 03:48 PM
I'm all for it, if we can hold this contest at Hooters.

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:50 PM
again with the v8's how hard is it to make power with them not very...where is the challenge there?

ctenche
05-27-2002, 03:50 PM
Now there's once place where I think we'll all agree that there is NO replacement for dispacement. Sorry...couldn't help myself.

Shaman
05-27-2002, 03:51 PM
Actually, I have an even simpler solution for you, Adam. One word: Jato.

Caius seems to think displacement is a measure of how much flesh floats around in the hot tub. :)

blur
05-27-2002, 03:52 PM
Yeah, but they're all V-twins:eek:

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:53 PM
i think the 4cyl already won the debate last year..when we hypothisized the end result that traction would be the end all, and since we cannot change the mass of an object the 4cyl motor would win in the ultimate universal engine challenge

Shaman
05-27-2002, 03:54 PM
Mmmmmm.... twins...

John Hannaford
05-27-2002, 03:54 PM
BZZZT! Hold on contestant number one. You can't walk both sides of that argument. Either V-8s are hopeless technologically deficient dinosaurs, and therefore a real challenge to make power with, or they are inherently easy to squeeze power from and therefore a better basic design.

Choose.

ADAM
05-27-2002, 03:56 PM
i vote for hooters as well

Bubblecar
05-27-2002, 04:02 PM
"Let's set up a separate thread called Adam vs Shaman."

Caius - Great idea. Can we have another seperate thread called "Adam against the Evil Empire" or how about "Why NOS should be allowed in Solo"

Heck - he should have his own complete BBS.



Nick Majors -
10.807 @ 146 (Me driving my car)
10.348 @ 143 (Marco driving my car)
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ADAM
05-27-2002, 04:04 PM
ok i pick...
easy to make power from and a heavy mass...the mass of the object is really the key here...thats why those wretched civics put the fear into me..cause they are light

both of these engines have the ability to produce enough power to overwhelm the traction..thus traction is the issue...BUT the v8 will have more mass..so it will be slower

this is a theroretical set of motors, made up of the finest materials and design ect..ect..

Shaman
05-27-2002, 04:07 PM
I'll see your 1,100hp F1 engine and raise you a 7,000hp top fuel motor. :D

Hey Nick, let's race across the parking lot on foot. I bet I can make it through the door of Hooters before you. It's all about focus, and keeping your eyes on where you want to go, just like Malcolm always says.

ADAM
05-27-2002, 04:13 PM
man that old thread from 2001 went on and on ..and on....

still no clear winner v8 or 4cyl

time will tell...

didn't dave prattes car do some 56sec times on DDT?

ctenche
05-27-2002, 04:14 PM
Okay, the thread has been posted.

Adam vs. Shaman - Episode I: The Battle of the Cylinders

Let's stick to the rules and let's have a clean debate here boys.

Let the battle begin.

Ding!

ADAM
05-27-2002, 04:20 PM
ok first post posted..

Brent
05-28-2002, 08:09 PM
Nick,

Sorry to go on topic but, whats happening with the secret weapon 2.4L motor?