no points for oil pan or accumulator?

[Doug P]

I recently had my 97 Z28 LT1 motor damaged. It was caused by oil problems in the corners while running Solo 2 and lapping day events.

I have rebuilt the motor but would like to either change the oil pan to an aftermarket pan or add an accumulator to the system.

The only thing I have found in the Solo1 rulebook is 5.11.4

"Catch tanks, oil filters, fuel filters and oil coolers on the engine, transmission and final drive housing may be modified."

I don't see anything in the PIP schedule.

It seems to me that changing the pan or adding an accumulator to minimize the potential for engine damage would fall in with these items.

Please advise if either or both of these items are allowed with no PIP points.

[Dave]

both are freebies -- go nuts. But if you use that "thumbs down" sign again, we will ban you from the series!!! ;)

[Doug P]

both are freebies -- go nuts. But if you use that "thumbs down" sign again, we will ban you from the series!!! ;)

Freebee is good. I was told I had to take 4 points as an internal engine modification in SP/MOD for Solo 2.

The thumbs down was a finger problem. I deleted it before you guys went nuts. :D

[Dave]

four points to protect your bearings and gain zero in terms of speed potential? That's pretty nutty IMO. Solo 1 Ontario prefer to only charge points for things that'll make you go faster. Adding reliability is good for the sport -- it keeps it more affordable and keeps our customers coming out more regularly. We like that! :)

[tanney]

four points to protect your bearings and gain zero in terms of speed potential? That's pretty nutty IMO. Solo 1 Ontario prefer to only charge points for things that'll make you go faster. Adding reliability is good for the sport -- it keeps it more affordable and keeps our customers coming out more regularly. We like that! :)
It's an internall engine mod and is not allowed until SP and Mod in Solo 2. Once your in SP you might as well go nuts.

Clutches are not allowed until SP either......

[Doug P]

It's an internall engine mod and is not allowed until SP and Mod in Solo 2. Once your in SP you might as well go nuts.

Clutches are not allowed until SP either......

Hey what are you doing in here?? ;)

Still seems a little goofy with the CAC saying it is an internal mod.

I am liking the last sentence of the Section 6.8.E Preparation Schedule which reads:

"Any oiling system component may be added, modified or substituted."

This falls under external engine modifications and charges 2 points in SS or higher.

Seems to me that the oil pan or an oil accumulator is part of the oiling system. :confused:

[gatherer]

I'd have to agree with you Doug. just remember that you have to keep the same type of oiling system (wet sump or dry sump)

so long as you claim the 2 points have fun

[Doug P]

I'd have to agree with you Doug. just remember that you have to keep the same type of oiling system (wet sump or dry sump)

so long as you claim the 2 points have fun

Same system, replace pan add accumulator.

Not much fun having to rebuid a motor. :(

Maybe I will blame this one on the car swap Daniel and I did last year since he won't see this thread. :D

[craig]

It's an internall engine mod and is not allowed until SP and Mod in Solo 2. Once your in SP you might as well go nuts.

Clutches are not allowed until SP either......
Oops :o, I thought Accusumps were 2 pts. I should've been in ASP this year :( . Can you change the results to DQ me from ASS, please? Thanks.

[tanney]

Oops :o, I thought Accusumps were 2 pts. I should've been in ASP this year :( . Can you change the results to DQ me from ASS, please? Thanks.
Too late all results are now official.....

The Accusump, if it is external, may fall under SS, but the oil pan does not, it is SP only

[Tony Kloosterma]

Jason, as you are well aware , you can't be telling people what is or is not legal in any class, it is very specific in the solo 2 rulebook that only the director can make those decisions.

We are also well aware that personal interpetations are not allowed.

Tony

[Chuck91GT]

Instead of adding an accumulator, change the pan to one with baffles to stop the oil from surging from side to side. They usually come in 7 litre sizes so you also get more oil which is always a good thing.

Chuck

[thekid]

Jason, as you are well aware , you can't be telling people what is or is not legal in any class, it is very specific in the solo 2 rulebook that only the director can make those decisions.

We are also well aware that personal interpetations are not allowed.

Tony

I don't think he made a decision... he only said he agreed wtih Doug's interpretation, I think Doug realizes that Jason isn't the director...

[thekid]

Instead of adding an accumulator, change the pan to one with baffles to stop the oil from surging from side to side. They usually come in 7 litre sizes so you also get more oil which is always a good thing.

Chuck

That's right... that means more sludge! :D

[Tony Kloosterma]

so long as you claim the 2 points have fun

Sorry I musta misread that as him giving his blessing/opinion/interpetation
and possibly leading Doug to believe that its okay

It is still Dougs resposibility as a competitor to get the ruling from the Director

Tony

[thekid]

It is still Dougs resposibility as a competitor to get the ruling from the Director


100% agree!

[Dave]

LOL! It's a Solo 2 invasion. You guys sure know how to spice a thread up.

Doug, FYI, the Solo 1 Director and the soon-to-be Chair of the CCC (James, who is a much sharper guy than I could ever pretend to be) agree with me that baffled pans and accumulators should be freebies, so expect them to be explicitedly mentioned in the '06 rulebook as authorized mods. There's just no logical reason to prevent competitors from protecting their engines, since there's no performance advantage to be gained in the process. I think we'll also add a PIP for dry sumps or deep sump set-ups designed to specifically reduce/eliminate windage so that the authorized mod rule can't be abused by rich guys.

Oh yeah, and since this is a Solo 1 thread, clutches are an authorized mod at Starting Class :) We don't have any standing starts, so the advantages of a race clutch is minimal at best. OE clutches are a wear item and often expensive, so allowing aftermarket clutches makes sense for this discipline, but I can see why they are not allowed at the Stock class level in Solo 2 since getting a better launch out of the start box can translate to significantly faster lap times.

[James Mewett]

(James, who is a much sharper guy than I could ever pretend to be)

Dave, I have always been impressed with your wisdom and when you go and say things like that you just confirm it! :)

Actually, I just get to try and herd the other cats on the CCC. Collectively, we will try and figure things out. Good thing for us that Dave is so sharp. I am hoping that he doesn't stray too far and we can continue to rely on his encyclopedic knowlege, excellent judgement and sharp wit. I have no illusions that I can do half of what Dave has done for the CCC.

[craig]

The Accusump, if it is external, may fall under SS, but the oil pan does not, it is SP only

Ah. Mine is attached only to the oil filter. :)