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Shaman
06-12-2002, 10:09 PM
"The last couple of weeks there has been this young kid in a Supra that has been killing just about everything in town. The kid is from Austin, and I will give him this: that car is very fast. Anyhow, a buddy of mine has a 427 LS1 with a small shot of nitrous and this kid wanted a money race so they set it up. Anyhow, before they get to race last night, a 96 supercharged Mustang GT challenges him. The 'Vette has already beat the Mustang pretty good out at Idalou. The Mustang is running mid to high 11's so my buddy figures that they can line up to see what he is going up against because rumor is that this Supra is high to mid 9's in Austin. Well, they line up and the Mustang gets its doors completely ripped off. Not even a race. This got my buddy worried, because he had $500 dollars on the bet with the Supra that he might lose. So the Supra and the Vette line up and my buddy hangs with him to about 60 and then the kid just flat walks him by about 4 car's. They did it again from a rolling start and it just got worse from there. Well, my buddy hands over the money while this kid is mouthing off about how Supra's are so great and that he will beat any domestic car. We were all standing in a group looking at the Supra's engine and listening to this kid run his mouth when I hear the most wonderful sound I have ever heard.....a black dark-ass-tinted 70 Dart rolls up with a huge blower sticking out of the hood and a rumble that was shaking the ground. The kid looks at the car and I think about this time he realized he may be in trouble, but he can't back down now. I hear some kind of click and this Dart starts slowly heating up the huge meats on the back of the car. Not fast mind you, just slowly gathering speed as if he could have destroyed them at will, but was just playing around. About this time, I look and I realize who this is (I should have known) due to the smoking skulls on the side of it: Mr. Voodoo Childe himself. You talk about putting a smile on my face. Anyhow, so this kid walks over to the car and they agree to run the two for $1000. They line up and the kid starts to due a burnout. I tell my buddy, with a smile, watch this becasue you may never get to see it again. By this time the Mustang guys and him are wondering what the hell is in this car and how I know about it. The kid does a pretty long burnout and backs up. I hear that ominous click again, he purges and all hell breaks loose. That Dart annihalated what looked like about 16 or 17 inch-wide tires on the back of it. I am thinking yeah now your all mighty Supra is getting ready to be destroyed. They line up and I guess they agreed to let the Supra honk to start. Well, the kid leaves before the 3rd honk and pulls about 1 and half car lengths on the Dart. That lasted about a half a second because when that Dart left (Putting about 12 inches of air under the front tires) he blew by that Supra like it was sitting still. I bet he had him by 15 to 20 car lengths when they shutdown. I guess that is why he has AZZKIKR on the license plates. They stopped and the kid handed him the money and they drove off. I would have loved to talk to him about how he knew we were going to be there? All in all, a bad ass kill."
The car ran, appropriately enough, 6.66@204mph with the "small motor", and now apparently traps nearly 220. And according to the owner (Voodoo), it's 50% likely to get munched on any given night by a faster car like it, in Austin.
Shaman
06-12-2002, 10:30 PM
Picture:
http://www.boomspeed.com/brandon442/DartandEngine.jpg
I'll put a $1000 down that I can beat that Dart around the DDT in my Civic :P
Marsh
06-13-2002, 04:26 AM
I bet you could beat that thing around DDT with the starter motor in the Civic.
so a street driven supra gets toasted by what looks like a built pro mod drag car with tube frame.....i would say that any car with that blower....and nos fogger system...and blower straps is basically just a drag car plus the wrinkle walls....the supra should have said...ok lets go thru a few corners.... :)..or lets drive 500 miles to the race site :)
i think once you get below 9 seconds it is pretty much a drag car....cause at that level its not streetable anymore....
but even then.... look at the supra...stock block with turbo charger...the supra is a very awesome machine...
ctenche
06-13-2002, 09:36 AM
I don't know. I just don't get this quarter mile stuff. Who cares that the Dart blew the doors off the Supra. There will/is another car that will blow the doors off the Dart. I just don't get it. What exactly is it proving? That one guy has dumped more money into his car than another?
That's sort of like having PC races between a Pentium 350 vs a 1.4Ghz and seeing who can calculate Pi to the 20th decimal the fastest? Wow! Exciting.
If on the other hand we're talking about who can write a program the fastest to calculate Pi to the 20th decimal then we're talking interesting.
It's all about the driver people, not about pressing the throttle and going in a straight line.
tanney
06-13-2002, 10:14 AM
What was the line in the movie Lost In Space.......and the monkey presses the button!
Shaman
06-13-2002, 10:14 AM
An awfully big segment of the population disagrees with you though, Caius. Me, drag racing doesn't do it. But it's still a neat story.
Adam, your slip is showing. :) You can't race air conditioning, dude.
problem is ..... most of the current qualification of "how fast" a car is..has come down to 1/4 mile times...when really it depends on what the intended duty of the car is....
a road race car like a solo 1 car..that can run 12-13's in the 1/4 mile... would spank any 7-10 second dedicated drag car around the track...
thats the constant battle i have on our 240sx forum... 1/4 mile this...1/4 mile that....and it runs 12sec this and that...then i would ask..yeah but does it handle well? how does it behave turning? what about braking? ect....
..ok its neat just to know 1/4 mile times...but what relevance does it have...we might as well have 2 cars on rail way tracks and just let them go...
i think the real issue is..that 1/4 mile is a easy way to quantitatively show "speed"... while trying to gauge handling is very hard to do..cause the driver has so much more to do with it..
Shaman
06-13-2002, 10:23 AM
True, but in this case, it was a cocky Supra owner who threw down the gauntlet that he could beat any north american car. And then was completely humiliated by one, even after he cheated.
Gotta hand him this, though: he paid up. Time to go ride my bike to work. ;)
well i guess john force could have driven up as well and spanked him too :)
what fuel is that dart running on?
i think that to be fair..the supra is a street chassis, stock block car..not some tube chassis blown, nos, drag car...its like apples to oranges...also to be fair...if you are racing on the street you would expect somewhat street legal vehicles..ok won't pass emmisions and the such...but at least street machines...now if he was at the drag park, i am SURE he would not throw down the gauntlet..cause he KNOWS there are faster drag cars...
moral of the story...don't race against cars on wrinkle walls :)
how did he cheat?
Originally posted by Shaman
True, but in this case, it was a cocky Supra owner who threw down the gauntlet that he could beat any north american car. And then was completely humiliated by one, even after he cheated.
Gotta hand him this, though: he paid up. Time to go ride my bike to work. ;)
ctenche
06-13-2002, 11:02 AM
He took off before the 3 honk. Did you fail comprehension in elementary school? :)
Shaman, you got a bike huh? What kind? Let's see some pics.
svt96
06-13-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by ADAM
how did he cheat?
He started the race before the 3-rd honk.
By the way, I own a Mustang. Guess what all the msg.boards talk about, in Mustang world (with a few notable exceptions). Never cared for 1/4 mile, and never will.
However a good story.
svt96
maybe he just got a good hole shot :)
sorry breezed over the long article...i guess since he was controlling the honking he could have seemed to have left sooner..sinec the other guy has a reaction time to worry about while the honker would be already going at the 3rd honk..
Shaman
06-13-2002, 11:59 AM
http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_02/sportstreet/images/bp_sv650s_blue.jpg
Not nearly as fast as the car, which is a good thing <tm>. I've got 500km on it since I picked it up Friday.
nice bike.....
do you need a suit? i have a dainese blue 2 piece size 42 for sale...brand new
Zeuser
06-13-2002, 12:19 PM
I think the appeal of 1/4 drag racing is that it only requires half a brain to understand it. Most of the population doesn't have the other half to understand how road racing works.
It's just too damn simple, and boring too: Go in a straight line when the light goes green and see what speed and time in took to do a 1/4 mile. :rolleyes: No brainer!
Most drag racing fans don't even understand heel and toe and don't even try to explain to them things like trail-braking and the racing line.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Any monkey with a lead foot can go fast in a straight line in a fast car!"
Shaman
06-13-2002, 12:32 PM
I can understand it. Voodoo says his hands shake everytime he opens the throttle from the rush.
ctenche
06-13-2002, 01:28 PM
Nice bike Steve. I've been sort of thinking about getting a bike myself but realistically I have no use for it. I walk to work and only "drive" about once a week to see my mom and such.
Oh well, there will be time later on in life.
Brent
06-13-2002, 05:25 PM
People who think drag racing is so easy should take their cars to the drag strip and see how baddly they suck at it. Run a 1/4 mile and then give your car to an experienced drag racer and see how much quicker they run the 1/4 mile.
I will admit I enjoy solo1 and solo2 much more than drags but a good driver can make as much of a difference in drags as in solo1 or solo2.
Imagine a spec drag series where everybody has, say, nissan sentras that are all identical with no mods allowed. Where the winner is by eliminations not times. Doesn't sound so easy now, does it? Really, does it, I mean there isn't that much to do but that little bit is so critical and the diifference in time caused by a small mistake at the start line can be large (by drag standards).
Sorry for the rant, I don't even like drag racing, just felt I had to voice my opinion on a meaningless topic. I guess this is what men do instead of calling in to the Oprah show.
Zeuser
06-13-2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Brent
People who think drag racing is so easy should take their cars to the drag strip and see how baddly they suck at it. Run a 1/4 mile and then give your car to an experienced drag racer and see how much quicker they run the 1/4 mile.
I did do that. My first time dragging ever I did 3 runs, got bored and let a 8 year veteran of drag racing take my car out for a run. Guess what? Only 0.02 seconds faster than me. :rolleyes:
Ok... so it's a high 14 second car but still... the so-called "Drag racing skill" didn't make a difference worth talking about.
svt96
06-13-2002, 06:03 PM
Brent, you do have a point but by comparison 1/4 mile seams so easy. Once you learn how to control the power at launch and power shift....that's all you need to know, basically. May be a bit about weight transfer. Now take the same car on a road course. You need to control traction on 4 directions (usually combined 2 by 2 ), plus weight transfer on all 4 directions, plus rotation around diffrent axles, plus sliding, plus racing line,etc.... And that's not during 15 seconds thrill but tens of minutes, may be hours of running. Compared to this, 1/4 mile looks like point and shoot, even if is not quite like that.
There,... I vented it all....huuuhhh
svt96
Zeuser
06-13-2002, 06:17 PM
Ok... I'm going to make a last point and shut up about this.
When you road race you still have to know how to drag race somewhat. This is very evident in pro solo events. But guys doing pro solo know something more than most drag racers; They know how to turn too!
What I've noticed from seeing other dragers and from my own experience is that it's only the first 60 to 100 feet that are critical. Once your past that it's a piece of cake, unless you're a bad driver and can't shift gears properly.
So in conclusion my view on drag racing is that it does require skill but road racers also have that skill and many more which is probably why so many solo2 and solo1 racers don't think much of drag racing.
BTW: IMHO rally racers are THE most skilled of all!
Ok... I'm shutting up now.
Next!
Brent
06-13-2002, 07:09 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zeuser
[B]
I did do that. My first time dragging ever I did 3 runs, got bored and let a 8 year veteran of drag racing take my car out for a run. Guess what? Only 0.02 seconds faster than me. :rolleyes:
Only 0.02 seconds faster but you are eliminated if you were competeing head to head, you lose, he goes on to the next round. Was your first run your fastest? Are you comparing his first run ever in your car to your best of three runs in your car? If it is so easy then every run made should be almost exactly the same time and the fastest time the car will do.
You know what they say down south, drag racing is for people who can't turn left.
ctenche
06-14-2002, 12:52 AM
Zeuzer saidIMHO rally racers are THE most skilled of all!
I whole heartedly agree with you 100%. That and bike racers are the craziest of them all.
Chris P
06-14-2002, 10:31 AM
The monkey of side car racers are the crazest. Every watch one? Going down T2 at mosport and the monkey is leaning over the side with his butt almost touching the ground, all that holds him is his other hand.......... crazy
Actually, its usally a team sport, husband and wife is the norm. Guess who's usually the monkey.......
http://www.sidecarworld.com/us/99/pgallery/donner2.jpg
Marsh
06-15-2002, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Brent
People who think drag racing is so easy should take their cars to the drag strip and see how baddly they suck at it. Run a 1/4 mile and then give your car to an experienced drag racer and see how much quicker they run the 1/4 mile.
I will admit I enjoy solo1 and solo2 much more than drags but a good driver can make as much of a difference in drags as in solo1 or solo2.
The biggest trophy on my self was a drag event. Easiest win I ever got. Every one says "oh what's the big one". I usually respond "I guess I was the only person that could drive standard that day?"
Now I'll admit that reaction time is really important, but in my experience it has more to do with natural tallent than developed skill.
A huge group from the TPC went out one day and the two fastest cars were guys that had never done it before. It seems to be something you either have or don't have. IMHO
Brent
06-15-2002, 03:46 PM
Just to clarify my point, not to argue others, I am not comparing drag racing to any other type of racing. My point is drag racing requires certain skills and that some people will be better than others. Also I am talking drag racing ie. head to head eliminations not just seeing how fast your car can run the 1/4 mile regardless of reaction time or competition. Getting your fastest time over a series of runs when the clock doesn't start till you break the beam is not drag racing, that is seeing how fast the car is, not how good you are.
Personally I think drivers are not needed for drags. A car with electronic traction control and a CVT, set the throttle like a tractor for the max hp rpm and have it computer controlled to vary to keep the rpm's constant at peak hp regardless of load. Have the CVT and the traction control computer controlled so the car always has optimum gearing and never spins. Theoretically this car would launch and break the beam exactly the time the light comes on (electronic eye watching the tree, the computer adjusts the launch time depending on traction, temp, wind etc variables), never spin and put max power to the ground through the perfect gear ratio all the way down the track.
Or maybe I am wrong and any monkey can jump into any car and beat the record holder on their first try in his car.
ctheo
06-15-2002, 06:06 PM
The most difficult racing/drivers that have the most skill are those that are able to drive while dressed in drag.
Be it 1/4 mile, rally or road racing slip on some panties and try to double clutch in stillettos. I'll bet you can't do it.
The most skilled "drag" racer I've seen is Alec Chalvardjin. That kid can heel toe in heels and pass you from the inside all day long.
It's true.
Brent
06-15-2002, 08:56 PM
LOL, sorry Alec but that was really funny.
Marsh
06-17-2002, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by ctheo
The most difficult racing/drivers that have the most skill are those that are able to drive while dressed in drag.
Be it 1/4 mile, rally or road racing slip on some panties and try to double clutch in stillettos. I'll bet you can't do it.
The most skilled "drag" racer I've seen is Alec Chalvardjin. That kid can heel toe in heels and pass you from the inside all day long.
It's true.
We can always rely on you to extiquish the flames in a post can't we. :D
rainman
06-17-2002, 10:54 AM
Theo,
You crack me up. Yes it's true I like dancing on the pedals with stilletos, but nothing beats a waxing session with your favourite greek!
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