CASC-OR 2006 Solo 2 Schedule

[tanney]

The CASC-OR 2006 Mobil 1 Autoslalom Championship Series Sponsored by Inside Track Motorsport News Schedule is as follows (so far);

April 2 - Solo Ontario Open House - CSC Racing
April 29 - CASC-OR Solo 2 School - HADA - Brampton Centre
May 28 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - St.Lac. - Picton Airport
June 3 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - SPDA - Bracebridge Kart Track
June 4 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - TAC - Bracebridge Kart Track
June 17 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - COMP - Bronte GO Station
June 18 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - HADA - Bronte GO Station
July 9 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - PMSC - Duoro Arena, Peterborough
July 23 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - WOSCA - London Airport
August 20 - CASC-OR Solo 2 TLMC - Molson Centre, Barrie
September 10 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - MCO - Corel Centre, Kanata
September 17 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - OMSC - Mosport DDT
October 1 - CASC-OR Shoot-out - CASC-OR - Mosport DDT ***CANCELLED***


At least two more dates are expected and this thread will be updated as these dates are received.

See you all at the Open House on April 2nd.

[miataboi]

The CASC-OR 2006 Mobil 1 Autoslalom Championship Series Sponsored by Inside Track Motorsport News Schedule is as follows (so far);

June 3 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - SPDA - Bracebridge Kart Track
June 4 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - TAC - Bracebridge Kart Track

September 17 - CASC-OR Solo 2 - OMSC - Mosport DDT
October 1 - CASC-OR Shoot-out - CASC-OR - Mosport DDT




well... unless something's changed from the past few years' rulebooks... those are illegal tracks / layouts and I dunno if INS. would actually cover you there.

Small solo 1's.

[Tony Kloosterma]

WTF?????????

Thats a pretty wide open statement.
You competed at these tracks last year. What has changed or suddenly come to light that would cause you to say that. Our CASC ins covers the event. Your car insurance would be invalid just like it would be in the hersey parking lot if you did something dumb and hit a light standard.

I don;t understand your motives other then to continually instigate, and drive people away from the sport

Tony

[gatherer]

4.4.W covers the use of Racing Facilities and race tracks (of which one of those track slisted is a kart track and the other is race track)

4.4.U covers maximum allowed speed ... of which neither course allows you to get up to those speeds.

looks all good to me...

hell with Proper cone placement you could do one lap of the big track for a solo 2 event... (not that I'm suggesting we do this marshalling would be extremely difficult to do)

[SE-R Racer]

hell with Proper cone placement you could do one lap of the big track for a solo 2 event... (not that I'm suggesting we do this marshalling would be extremely difficult to do)
Actually it was discussed recently...and some other options...but because of negative ninnies ^^^^^ and the internet whining that was likely to ensue, it was nixed

[max attack]

Yeah what Tony said!! :D

Seriously though I've seen much more dangerous layouts in parking lots,silly offsets and such aimed right at curbs spring to mind.I ran a series of events at the Bracebridge kart track for 3 seasons,about 20 events in fact-almost every entrant were total newbies btw.
In all those laps I've only seen a handfull of completly harmless off track excursions.

[Tashko]

Looks like we will have some more open course designs this year. :D
I'm looking forward to it...if only we could start the season a little sooner.

Keep us out of first gear. It's meant to get the car going not to drive around in!

[SE-R Racer]

L...if only we could start the season a little sooner.


Shhhh....or Crusher will be posting here...lol

[gatherer]

Keep us out of first gear. It's meant to get the car going not to drive around in!


thats the theory they tended to use at the big events I visited last summer... Slalom in Slemon and CAC start off in First get to second and go.. of course due tot he airport at Slemon they had to have a back to first for a pin turn.. but one 2 to 1 transition in 101 seconds is pretty damn good...

[max attack]

Oh and a big thanks to Wes for getting the schedule posted-thats awesome!.

Oh and with the state of my car I'm ok with the end of may for the 1st event :)

[SE-R Racer]

Looks like a great season and lots of events!!!, I'll have to see how many events I can get to...Picton and at least one of the Bracebridge days (SPDA more than likely) are a must. and of course the DDT. Thanks Wes!!!!

[Tashko]

Shhhh....or Crusher will be posting here...lol

Oops, forgot about that! :eek: I'll be up on the ice on the 18th anyway. :D

Hopefully the warmer weather will return (in Toronto!) so I can start working on the car.

I've never been on the kart track or seen the Duoro arena so new locations are also cool.

[Greg F]

2006 should be a great season.

[Crusher45]

Looks like we will have some more open course designs this year. :D
I'm looking forward to it...if only we could start the season a little sooner.
in!
Tomorrow morning around 10am green flag, wheel to wheel racing in Minden. Be there!!!

[Crusher45]

Shhhh....or Crusher will be posting here...lol
Oops sorry didn't see that. Me bad.
:(

[max attack]

I'll be there by 7:30! :D ^^^^

Tashko,the Douro arena isn't very big but PMSC has done a great job in the past of laying out a fun course so ....

The kart track is a ton of fun,lots of decreasing radius turns to keep you guessing the right line. ;)

[miataboi]

I hit 130 at the DDT last year:

A. Autoslalom Event
ii) A non-speed event held under CASC-OR regulations; where hazards to competitors, spectators, and property do not exceed those encountered in normal legal highway driving;


Got the RX-8 airborne off come curbing at the DDT:

D. Surface Hazards
In laying out a course, care should be taken to avoid potholes, loose gravel, grates, curbs, oily spots or other dangerous features.


DDT again: We went through a GATE in a FENCE! (fenceposts)
F. Immovable Objects
The outside edge of a course shall not normally pass closer than eight (8) meters from any permanent object such as a lamp post, planter, curb, or tree.


G. Off-Camber Turns
Negative camber turns shall be avoided if at all possible.

Obviouosly present on the DDT

DDT again:

Corner limits must never be marked by curbs, buildings, poles, trees, soft shoulders, or other hazards likely to cause damage to a car or likely to cause a car to overturn.


W. Established Racing Facilities
Where the venue is suitable, an event may be held on a race track or kart track provided the layout used ensures risks to a competitor and their vehicle do not exceed the expectations (and abilities) of a potential Solo II competitor. Pylons (penalties) shall be used to direct competitors away from high curbs, soft ground or rough terrain.

DDT AND Bracebridge is like a solo 1... except there is no warm-up / practice sessions so each run has to be going for it.
It is WAY narrower than ANY solo 1 track... and there is a soft, gravel shoulder on the Bracebridge track. Every year - 3-4 cars go off on Bracebridge and sustain damage. Not so at most other facilities / venues. That is more than a normal solo 2... and especially when 65% of people have NEVER BEEN ON A TRACK BEFORE.



We need BIG, OPEN LOTS.
If we only have a few suitable sites... just run there.
If you want track driving... go to solo 1 or lapping days.
If you want autocross... get into a large, flat, paved area. Not off-camber, tight tracks with soft shoulders and curbing that were ADMITTEDLY designed for go-carts and SMALL Formula cars at most.



Yeah.
Bad intentions.

[SE-R Racer]

Tomorrow morning around 10am green flag, wheel to wheel racing in Minden. Be there!!!

Lol...I warned ya...he can sniff out opportunities to push ice racing

[SE-R Racer]

We need BIG, OPEN LOTS.
If we only have a few suitable sites... just run there.
If you want track driving... go to solo 1 or lapping days.
If you want autocross... get into a large, flat, paved area. Not off-camber, tight tracks with soft shoulders and curbing that were ADMITTEDLY designed for go-carts and SMALL Formula cars at most.



Yeah.
Bad intentions.


Hey, lets just pick one lot and one course (meeting your approval of course) and just run it over and over all year 'til we're good and bored of it :rolleyes:

[max attack]

Hey, lets just pick one lot and one course (meeting your approval of course) and just run it over and over all year 'til we're good and bored of it :rolleyes:

Nah,let's just run the events the club's can get venues for-if Jeff wants to not run them thats ok too. ;)

[Doug Phillips]

I think that the Bracebridge track is one of the nicest events. Two laps in a run would be better but I don't see how you could do that with the parking and layout.

The Regional Series should expect a level of experience. Cones mark the limits of the track. Drive inside the cones and you don't have a problem.

You can bet that the guys with the fastest times are not hitting cones, nevermind going off track. Drive within your limits.

The Series allows for 4 dropped events. Don't show up to the ones you don't like.

The Shootout is a single event unrelated to the Series. If you don't like it stay home and play FORZA.

[gatherer]

We need BIG, OPEN LOTS.



you find them and get the owners to agree to run events there and then pass that info along to the clubs whose events the venue doesn't sit well with you...

have fun.

[Doug Phillips]

I hit 130 at the DDT last year:

Got the RX-8 airborne off come curbing at the DDT:



Great. Did you get FTD and win the event?

I am pretty at any event you can get your car airborne off the lot curbing if you don't stay inside the cones. You know, those large bright orange things that are sticking up averywhere.

You could even take out a tree or two but I would not make that a goal.

[miataboi]

Great. Did you get FTD and win the event?

I am pretty at any event you can get your car airborne off the lot curbing if you don't stay inside the cones. You know, those large bright orange things that are sticking up averywhere.

You could even take out a tree or two but I would not make that a goal.

For the first question... Yes at the DDT regional where I hit 130+

For the second... I did not hit a cone AT THAT POINT... three were curbs without apex-cones.


FACT:
Tom Smith... AND Steve in the STI have gotten there cars to WITHIN DEGREES of flipping their cars... up on 2 wheels ABOUT to tip at the DDT.


4-5 cars that I know of have sustained damage at Bracebridge.

Doug: I KNOW that you LOVE the bracebridge event... and that you CONSISTANTLY do very well there.. this is not an attack on you.


MANY competitors have never been on a track and do not truly appreciate the racing line... VERY dangerous with decreasing radius corners that are bordered with either a soft shoulder, a forest, old tires but NOT a tire wall... or a ditch.

That's my only point.
That... you can not argue with... along with the guidelines for creating a SOLO 2 event course layout that I posted above. I am not the bad guy... I'm just pointing out the rules - and adding a little common sense.

[max attack]

Yep I did for sure get 2 wheels pretty high in the air,you may also remember the pic of Hanif getting air under 2 wheels on a flat parking lot in a stock class civic.Also the pro solo I attended had serious off camber turns designed into both courses-those are both events you praise and promote.
I understand you concerns for sure,problem is of late you've been crying wolf so much nobody wants to listen any more.

[Doug Phillips]

For the first question... Yes at the DDT regional where I hit 130+

For the second... I did not hit a cone AT THAT POINT... three were curbs without apex-cones.


FACT:
Tom Smith... AND Steve in the STI have gotten there cars to WITHIN DEGREES of flipping their cars... up on 2 wheels ABOUT to tip at the DDT.

Doug: I KNOW that you LOVE the bracebridge event... and that you CONSISTANTLY do very well there.. this is not an attack on you.




I am surprised, I barely can get out of first gear. Maybe that is my problem at the DDT. :)

Treat the curbs like cones if you car is not set up to handle them properly. F1 cars we do not have here.

The two wheel stuff is a driver/car issue not a track issue. I am sure those guys can get their cars up on two wheels in any IGA lot. Might be fast or might be slow but I would not suggest trying it.

I have only been to Bracebridge twice but for reasons I don't understand I have been lucky there both times. :confused:

My point is that, although not required, there is an expectation of level of experience in the Regional Series. Don't overdrive your limits at any lot. I only remember seeing one off and I believe the driver was pushing way to hard. Both the DDT and Bracebridge events have the corners well marked with cones. Stay inside them and you get a clean run. If you think more of the curbs should be coned than bring it up in the walk around.

[Doug Phillips]

Doug: I KNOW that you LOVE the bracebridge event... and that you CONSISTANTLY do very well there.. this is not an attack on you.



By the way, that is not my real name, just a name I use on this forum so no one knows who I really am. ;)

[Tony Kloosterma]

Jeff, I am going to say it once and for all.


YOU are not happy with solo 2, so be it.

I have said many times if you aren't happy with the way things are done, then STAND UP and take over.

You make excuses for not doing so....so be it.....

In the mean time either play or get out of the sandbox.......

I am sick and tired of your second guessing of everything ever done in this series......

You are being an ass about everything to do with this series of late

At Bracebridge and DDT last year we had a lot of discussions about how much fun we had at those events.....(thats you and me on a personal level)

and now its not good enough or too dangerous or whatever..............

I don't understand this jekell and hyde personality

its time for some serious therapy

Tony

[SE-R Racer]

Its easy to by Mr Hyde when you are on the internet....

[gatherer]

Taken from the thread Who held the best event:

I liked the shootout morning..

link to thread:

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=7153

once again a different thread:

I like the DDT.
Most fun event AND course of the year to be honest.

link to the thread I got this quote from:

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=6927

3rd quote:

4) OMSC had the SINGLE greatest turnaround in the last year...
Not only did they do a real good job with the event.... and I personally think it was better than last year's... I think it was JUST ABOUT... the best event I've ever been to! Wasn't grossly technical... but FUN AS HELL!!! And it shows the guys who've never been on a track before a BIT of what solo 1 is like... and an introduction to racing lines... AWESOME EVENT!

link to the thread I found that in:

http://www.casc.on.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=6102

Jeff you obviously just adore the events held at the DDT so why the attempt to block such events?

[Marsh]

So if WOSCA gets the big lot does that mean Jeff's gonna show up? OK now I'm looking for a small lot again.

[13inches]

COMP?
TLMC?
WOSCA?

[thekid]

COMP?
TLMC?
WOSCA?


At least two more dates are expected and this thread will be updated as these dates are received.


;)

[Slowpoke]

... AND Steve in the STI have gotten there cars to WITHIN DEGREES of flipping their cars... up on 2 wheels ABOUT to tip at the DDT.Don't blame the course for a driver pushing too hard and making two errors. That can happen anywhere, and I don't think that the DDT is inherently a less-safe venue than others.

Running it as a true "track", I consider the DDT my home track and look forward to going back there again for Solo 2, Solo 1 and for lapping days. It can be made slower for Solo 2 by adding cones to a straight like OMSC did and that was a fantastic event. Hell, the shoot-out was fantastic, too. I won't soon forget the competition that I saw there.

I would personally like to see the transition through the fenceposts eliminated so that we start on the track itself, or perhaps right between those fence posts. But, that was already mentioned last year and will be addressed this year I'm sure.

I've never been to Bracebridge, so I can't comment. Perhaps I'll maike it to Bracebridge this year.

I like this sport. And I don't like the direction that you want to take it, nor do I think that your behaviour is positive, constructive, or conducive to improving safety. If you truly want to see positive change in Solo 2, consider how you communicate. All that you are accomplishing is setting up your excuse for why you'll never be elected Solo 2 director, and why you have to perpetuate your role from the shadows. Why you choose to spend so much time being a sniper against the series instead of a positive force for change is beyond me.

These events are are months away and there are better ways to accomplish what you claim your motivation to be.

[max attack]

It's just after 7pm and me thinks Jeff's not back from the ice races yet! :rolleyes:

[SE-R Racer]

Hope they met with his approval

[andrew1984]

i know many of you do not wish to hear this from me but;

i agree that there are courses with poor design with regards to runoff space.

specifically bracebridge go-kart track, where you immidiately take some kind of damage once you step off the track.

the DDT i feel is a safe track as long as you eliminate the brake test pad. no use of the crossover unless as a starting grid. DDT provides plenty of runoff when compared to bracebridge.

you guys dont need quantity to run a good solo2 series, you need quailty. so if that means just a few good lots and running them frequently, so be it. autocross consists of pylons, so stick them where you want it because it will always be different.

corel center, twin lakes, picton,bronte and PMG come to mind out of the bunch of lots we use which are great lots and definitely hard to come by.

wish you guys were here... we are running on a one mile airfield strip.... safe and sticky fun! :eek:

[max attack]

Where the heck are you Andrew?,nice to be warm I'm sure. :)

I know where your coming from with your comments for sure,while I don't want to sound like I'm promoting the bracebridge event(but it is the only close to home one for me :D )I don't want to run it down either.Yes it's relatively narrow,yes the pavement is rather coarse and yes the parking area isn't paved
Is the track a fun test of a drivers abilities-yes for sure,is there any light poles,buildings,trees,scissor lifts,curbs etc to hit? no.I've been off track there more than once, but remember that I've done a couple hundred runs there,I've also rented it personally for drift practice-other than tires I've never damaged my cars(at least 5 different ones of mine over the years-all lowered etc).The DDT is also WAY faster than the kart track,there's only 2 places where you might touch 90k the rest is mostly under 50k
I wouldn't mind seeing the old tires removed,I will donate my time and effort to removing those if others say it should happen.I will not pay to dispose of though-it's what 4 bucks a tire now!I'd go broke. :)
There has been 2 regional events in Bracebridge now,both raved about on this forum-should speak volumes so let's not let this forum scare off or spread untruths.It's quite easy with start/stop box locations combined with logical cone placements to make this venue even safer.I've seen an FFR spin out of site down towards the large ravine at a tlmc event so let's not say flat parking lots are the only safe place to play.

[13inches]

;)
Thank you captain obvious!

However, I was hoping someone from those clubs would pipe in with updates, since I'm a little less than enthused about the schedule as it stands.

[thekid]

Thank you captain obvious!

However, I was hoping someone from those clubs would pipe in with updates, since I'm a little less than enthused about the schedule as it stands.

Well from what I've heard TLMC won't be running an event, since Todd isn't around to do it, the other two are the ones that we're anticipating dates from.

[13inches]

Well from what I've heard TLMC won't be running an event, since Todd isn't around to do it, the other two are the ones that we're anticipating dates from.
Now why couldn't you say that the first time? ;)

[13inches]

Has the '06 committee been formed yet?

[gatherer]

yes the committee has been formed.

[13inches]

yes the committee has been formed.
... expect an announcement shortly (?)

[tanney]

... expect an announcement shortly (?)

I will make an announcement shortly...... I was holding off because I knew it spark negative comments.....just like this post. [shakes head in total disbelief!]

[Doug Phillips]

Well from what I've heard TLMC won't be running an event, since Todd isn't around to do it, the other two are the ones that we're anticipating dates from.


:(
TLMC puts on a great event!

[tanney]

:(
TLMC puts on a great event! Lobby them to continue their participation......

[Doug Phillips]

Lobby them to continue their participation......

TLMC, please continue your participation. :)

Tom, are you busy?

[max attack]

TLMC, please continue your participation. :)

Tom, are you busy?


Do you mean me Doug?. :)

I'm an SPDA member now,I plan to run the tlmc events to try and catch up on the lack of events I've done.I can lobby Dave Galos about a tlmc regional though,not that it would make a difference or anything but ..... :)

[sjd]

Our club organizes things and books the lot really early, like last October. Someone would have had to step up then. Tod can't commit, I can't since I might be our club's Solo2 director this year and am probably not doing a full season of regionals for various reasons. I know Craig showed interest last time I talked to him.

[holliko]

Where the heck are you Andrew?,nice to be warm I'm sure. :) .


He's in Florida... :D

[max attack]

Our club organizes things and books the lot really early, like last October. Someone would have had to step up then. Tod can't commit, I can't since I might be our club's Solo2 director this year and am probably not doing a full season of regionals for various reasons. I know Craig showed interest last time I talked to him.


Just curous,if your the clubs solo2 director aren't you the one that should be organizing all solo2 activities? :confused:

I'm glad Andrew is warm and getting in some practice,it's snowing like mad here in muskoka-slicks would suck for sure! :D

[sjd]

Just curous,if your the clubs solo2 director aren't you the one that should be organizing all solo2 activities? :confused:


Not a regional event. A TLMC member who competes in the regional series has always organized it. The Solo2 director has heped with organization and course design. I'm also not the director yet.

[StewPiddass]

Yeah, sorry guys, just can't commit to it this year, I'm not even sure I'm going to make any regionals. Too busy with racecar stuff... my wife would have my youknowwhats in a sling...

[JoeT]

my wife would have my youknowwhats in a sling...


You still have a set, I mean, left over to be put in a sling. Mine is in the garage, kept in storage! :D

[yellowhotshoe]

Our club organizes things and books the lot really early, like last October. Someone would have had to step up then. Tod can't commit, I can't since I might be our club's Solo2 director this year and am probably not doing a full season of regionals for various reasons. I know Craig showed interest last time I talked to him.

Steve, e-mail me at pitcrewof2@sympatico.ca and I will give you my phone # so we can talk.

Craig.

[MastaDeeMon]

I am liking this schedule. No racing for me in July/Aug means a very happy wife and kids and a nice break in between the summer. The only events I won't do ar the Peterborough event and maybe the Ottawa event though I'm really going to try and make that one. I can't wait to autoX this year and finally do regionals, now if I could only alter the JDM engine rule................... :o

It's funny, I've driven by the Bracebridge Kart track at least 40 times always dreaming of driving on that track, kinda cool I'll get the chance. What's the deal at that place with camping and stuff?

D.

[max attack]

It's funny, I've driven by the Bracebridge Kart track at least 40 times always dreaming of driving on that track, kinda cool I'll get the chance. What's the deal at that place with camping and stuff?

D.[/QUOTE]

Bring a chocolate fondue set-lots of juicy grasshoppers for a nice treat! :D

Seriously though,it's a fun little track that rewards those that can find the quick line.Not sure about camping,I know the owner would likely be ok with it but not sure if the spda guy's asked about camping or not.

[B-Rock]

Not a regional event. A TLMC member who competes in the regional series has always organized it. The Solo2 director has heped with organization and course design. I'm also not the director yet.




You know you got my help for the day's in Barrie.

[tanney]

Updated schedule.....

One date added and one venue changed....

Stay tuned, as at least one more date is expected.

[Slowpoke]

Woo Hoo! HADA and COMP at the nice big Bronte GO Station lot!! And another double-header weekend.

Is this cheaper for the clubs as well when they rent the GO Station for the whole weekend?

Hmmm. With the big gap in August after the nationals, seems like we have a big opportunity for a "Silly Season". Losing your class? Four weeks to modify the car before the last few events...

Might I say as well that it's nice to see that the Solo 1 and Solo 2 weekends aren't conflicting. Good planning all around! Thanks folks!

[13inches]

I can only imagine what kind of course Hanif is going to design at Bronte......!

[h-bomb]

I can only imagine what kind of course Hanif is going to design at Bronte......!

You betcha - so long as its not protested :D

[13inches]

Is the CASC page going to be updated with the new schedule?

http://www.casc.on.ca/events.php#s2

[tanney]

Updated schedule.....

[tanney]

Updated once again.

WOSCA and TLMC events have been added to bring the series back up to ten events. Six of Ten will count towards the championship.....

[tanney]

Updated.... WOSCA venue confirmed! Good job Marshall.

[gatherer]

London Airport?

should be a very fast event! Well done Marsh at securing that venue!

[Marsh]

The asphalt at the airport is no bigger than Woodstock. But it's flat as a pancake and in excellent condition with absolutely no obsticles. I have a scale drawing of the area so there should be a relatively accurate course map well before the event.

[Doug Phillips]

The asphalt at the airport is no bigger than Woodstock. But it's flat as a pancake and in excellent condition with absolutely no obsticles. I have a scale drawing of the area so there should be a relatively accurate course map well before the event.

Not big enough for me to fly in? :(

[JoeT]

The asphalt at the airport is no bigger than Woodstock. But it's flat as a pancake and in excellent condition with absolutely no obsticles. I have a scale drawing of the area so there should be a relatively accurate course map well before the event.

Hey Marsh,

Is it the rectangular area half way down the south taxiway?

Google Maps, London Airport sattelite shot (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=London,+Ontario,+Airport&t=k&ll=43.032322,-81.150341&spn=0.025974,0.05785)

[gatherer]

Joe,

the wosca website has a detailed picture (far better then google satellite shots) that shows where the competition will take place...