Rule Book changes.....

[tanney]

Just thought I would give people the heads up on the rule book changes coming.

Stock
- Aftermarket LSD's have been disallowed. Factory installed LSD's are allowed. If swapping a factory LSD into a non LSD trim level, the entire trim level options must also be swapped (ie. air conditioning, leather seat packages etc., if applicable).

Super Stock
- Aftermarket clutch plate and friction disks are allowed, stock flywheel MUST remain stock.
- Camber plates and compensators will be allowed as part of the 3 point suspension - the EXACT allowable camber adjustment wording will be released with the rule book.

Definitions and a bunch of "clairifications" of wording are being added to make sure that "creative interpretations" are not as "creative" (of course I am sure someone will still come up with "creative misinterpretations" regardless).

Sections have also been added to define appropriate behaviour of competitors and officials, as well as the grievance process being better defined.

The rule book will be in final draft format early next week and should be finalized by March 21st.

ALL CLAIRIFICATIONS OF THE RULE BOOK MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE SOLO 2 DIRECTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No other one person has the authority to give "interpretations" without the Solo 2 Director's permission!

Any clasifification must be submitted in writing, either in person or via e-mail to be responded to. Posts here in these message forums may not even be answered and will NOT be considered official rulings or clairification!

[MrHeavyFoot]

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Super Stock
- Camber plates and compensators will be allowed as part of the 3 point suspension - the EXACT allowable camber adjustment wording will be released with the rule book.

Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy! (Not that I'll be able to get more than 2 degrees, but its better than nothing)

No mention of changes to boost modification is SS/SP?

[tanney]

Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy! (Not that I'll be able to get more than 2 degrees, but its better than nothing)

No mention of changes to boost modification is SS/SP?

Pat, is there something specific you would like to see added, changed or clairified?

[13inches]

No mention of changes to boost modification is SS/SP?

Any modification/substituion of boost control devices is already 2pts in SS/SP

Change of controller(ECM and/or management chip) where the ECM also controls boost and/or shift points as applicable is also 2pts in SS/SP

Was this going to change? I didn't see anything in the workshop notes.....

[-adrian-]

Any word on this from the minutes: (sorry, don't mean to "come out of the woodwork" as it were...)

It was suggested that any non-metallic material should be allowed in Super Stock for engine and transmission mounts. The logic is that you can replace suspension bushings with non-metallic material, why not engine and transmission mounts.

[MrHeavyFoot]

Pat, is there something specific you would like to see added, changed or clairified?
I'm assuming these changes you posted are for the CAC rules, not CASC-OR specific.

We (WCMA) had requested that boost altering ECU changes be increased to 3 points instead of 2.

We had also asked for clarification on what all is included in the current 4 points for adding forced induction in SP, and possible increase in points if the current 4 points includes everything necessary.

Not that power is everything, but in general, we felt the current SS/SP rules were a little too boost friendly.

[thekid]

I'm assuming these changes you posted are for the CAC rules, not CASC-OR specific.

We (WCMA) had requested that boost altering ECU changes be increased to 3 points instead of 2.

We had also asked for clarification on what all is included in the current 4 points for adding forced induction in SP, and possible increase in points if the current 4 points includes everything necessary.

Not that power is everything, but in general, we felt the current SS/SP rules were a little too boost friendly.

just curious, if an electronic boost controller is only 2, why would you want to set an ecu that changes boost to 3?

a turbocharger and supercharge systems have been defined in the new rule book, something like this:

A Turbocharger system is defined as: turbine, wastegate, exhaust
manifold, boost control valve/device, intercooler

A supercharger system is defined as: compressor, compressor drive
system, boost control valve/device, intercooler

[MrHeavyFoot]

just curious, if an electronic boost controller is only 2, why would you want to set an ecu that changes boost to 3?

Probably coulda/shoulda included any form of boost change in there, not just ECU changes.

[13inches]

just curious, if an electronic boost controller is only 2, why would you want to set an ecu that changes boost to 3?

a turbocharger and supercharge systems have been defined in the new rule book, something like this:

A Turbocharger system is defined as: turbine, wastegate, exhaust
manifold, boost control valve/device, intercooler

A supercharger system is defined as: compressor, compressor drive
system, boost control valve/device, intercooler
Can I get a rebate on prep-points if my supercharger doesn't have an intercooler?

:D

[tanney]

Any word on this from the minutes: (sorry, don't mean to "come out of the woodwork" as it were...)

Not allowed until SP!

[tanney]

Can I get a rebate on prep-points if my supercharger doesn't have an intercooler?

:D

Ahhhhh, NO! :)

[tanney]

Pat, I have decided to keep the Ontario rule set as close to the CAC rule set as possible this year, from a car prep point of view. There are NUMEROUS administration changes in the Ontario rule book. Probably 10-15 pages worth. I will be adding a few "clauses" in some of the car prep.......

I even added an appendix titled "Creative Interpretations". (working section title)

Get out your reading glasses everyone!

[finboy]

were 2005's protests and appeals were all resolved, concluded, and over with?

[gatherer]

were 2005's protests and appeals were all resolved, concluded, and over with?

yes, to my Knowledge...

[Doug Phillips]

Just thought I would give people the heads up on the rule book changes coming.


Super Stock
- Camber plates and compensators will be allowed as part of the 3 point suspension - the EXACT allowable camber adjustment wording will be released with the rule book.


If caster/camber plates are allowed to get more camber out of a car then upper control arms should also be allowed on the f-bodies since that is the normal method on these cars.

Any word on this Wes?

[gatherer]

If caster/camber plates are allowed to get more camber out of a car then upper control arms should also be allowed on the f-bodies since that is the normal method on these cars.

Any word on this Wes?

Doug,

While I'm not Familar with the F-Body suspension it sounds liek it has a double wishbone suspension? or something like that with upper and lower control arms?

if thats the case do not worry those cars are also dealt with in the rule book. specifically it's Camber Plates, Camber Bolts and Camber Kits that are being allowed. there are some restrictions on how much you can do, in the last draft that I have read, for example if you use Camber plates on a Strut suspension you can't use aftermarket crash bolts as well, and with Double wishbone suspension you can only change either the upper or lower control arm.

I do suggest waiting till the rules are out, as this section, being new, is still a work in progress.

[miataboi]

the camber allounces sound VERY SCCA.

That's good.

[dlynch]

I have a Snell 95 M rated helmet--will it do this year? If so, when will this helmet become outdated?

Thanks!

Dave

[gatherer]

this is the last season a 95 helmet will be accepted.

time to upgrade!

[dlynch]

Thanks. good advice.

Dave

[dlynch]

Where's a good spot to get helmets?

(We were in Newmarket today. Missed both CSC and Pfaff Tuning. Both closed.)

What about GTA?

Regards, and thanks,

Dave

[J.C.]

I believe next weekend is the Solo open house at CSC in Newmarket. They usually run some specials that weekend.

[Slowpoke]

I bought my open face M-Class helmet at Cycle World in Etobicoke on Dundas for $70 in the spring two years ago.

[Greg F]

I see some people getting excited about being allowed to run camber control devices in SS. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this only to allow camber to be brought back in spec, e.g. after lowering?

[gatherer]

it would be best to get an official interpretation from Wes.

however the way I see...

THe rules state you are allowed to use camber plates, aftermarket camber bolts, Camber adjusting upper control arms, lower control arms and/or offset bushings. of course there is some restrictions as to what combination of those parts are allowed on a car for example if you use camber plates you can't use aftermarket camber bolts if you change your upper control arm you can't change the lower control arm, etc. it's all in the rules.

now I strongly recommend anyone considering one of the new modifications to read the rule book. Greg's question is answered in black and white within there..

specifically there is a sentence in 9.5.I (9 is the new number of super stock rules) that states:

Alignment outside the factory specifications is allowed.

the rules that apply to the new camber adjustment devices are 9.5.G, 9.5.H, 9.5.J and 9.5.I. 9.5.I is the rule that ties everything together and explains the combinations that can be used together and what the camber adjustment devices can be used for.

[Greg F]

Damn, SS is going to be crazy fast this year.

[miataboi]

I don't think it'll be THAT much faster... it's just that strutted cars will be faster than before...

EG.

Cars like the RSX-S and SRT-4 will have SOME handling... AND power.
RSX-s with I/H.E and chip and coilovers with camber plates = vERY FAST CAR...

now look at the fact that some events will be fast (DDT, Bronte, etc.) and you just have MORE cars capable of winning...

Double-wishbone cars won't really be that much faster...

Minis, VW's, Subies, new civics, etc will all benefit.
50% in terms of contact patch... the other 50% in terms of better tire-wear and increased tire longevity.

[Greg F]

It depends to a degree on how much is spent.

For strut cars, slotting alone won't get much camber, since the centre hole cannot be modified. However, by spending more on a good camber plate, you'll get a lot more.

For A-arm cars, I can see them getting way more camber than the strut cars. I had about -6º with stock ride height for the last Pro Solo.

Edit: I read yor post again and understand your point better. My concern is that SP may not have the opportunity to use the extra power to pull away. Competition from SS will be tough indeed.

[gatherer]

Jeff,

Double wishbone cars will beable to take advantage of the allowances for camber kits as well. and the offset bushings and such.

I don't know that it will make any SS cars much faster but it finally moves a suspension mod to the correct level of prep. it'll make SS a more suspension oriented class.

[Doug Phillips]

My concern is that SP may not have the opportunity to use the extra power to pull away. Competition from SS will be tough indeed.


Not really. Have you looked at the new PAX numbers?

Comparing ESS/ESP for example the PAX for ESP has been reduced such that over a 690 second course the ESP cars will have a .5 second advantage over last year.

FSP was given and even greater reduction in PAX making them .8 seconds faster over last year.

[miataboi]

Jeff,

Double wishbone cars will beable to take advantage of the allowances for camber kits as well. and the offset bushings and such.

I don't know that it will make any SS cars much faster but it finally moves a suspension mod to the correct level of prep. it'll make SS a more suspension oriented class.


Understood... but strut-cars will have MORE of an advantage given their natural camber curves.

It will make strut cars significantly faster. It will make non-competitive strut cars... in some cases... competitive.

SRT4, MCS, RSX-S all faster.

[DBlokker]

I noticed in the new rulebook under the Fire Safety section the part about Modified cars on slicks having to wear a fire suit and gloves and shoes is now gone. Does this mean that non-formula cars in modified can run on slicks without wearing any special safety gear?

-Dan